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WillowTheWhisp 30-01-2007 12:31

Vista
 
Well it's arrived at last, but apparently a lot of us won't be able to use it anyway because our PCs are not up to it.

Does it bother you?

Do you want it or are you happy with what you've got?


It doesn't seem 5 minutes since I was all excited about Windows98! :D I didn't like ME. I do like XP - so do I stay with what I know or do I desire greater things?

Less 30-01-2007 12:41

Re: Vista
 
Stick with what you've got, vista could be very poor, but expensive replacement.
Windows Vista security under fire

entwisi 30-01-2007 13:00

Re: Vista
 
I was part of beta testing programme.

My view was that they made it secure by making it so damm annoying. everytime I wanted to do something it was popping up asking if I had permission. In teh end I got so fed up with it I turned it all off, probably making it less secure than ever.

Its needs far more resources to run, think 1 gig RAM minimum and a decent 3D graphics card (DirectX9 compatible). I also found (although being beta it may be different in the final release) that even simple programs were being marked as incompatible when you tried to install them. I've just bought a new laptop which as it comes with Media centre I get a free upgrade to Vista Premium edition when its available. I'll probably stick to my nice comfortable Linux and shove the Vista disk in the drawer till SP1 is out (BTW, due September 2007).

WillowTheWhisp 30-01-2007 13:01

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Seems to be a bit of a thumbs down then.

cherokee 30-01-2007 13:10

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UMMMMM I was gonna ask about thoughts on this as well because i qualify for the basic vista upgrade apperantly, but im too a bit wary of what to do ....as you all probably have discovered by now my knowledge on pcs is pretty poo.....so i will be keeping my eye on this thread...bye the way Ian is it worth still going an getting the disc??

Mick 30-01-2007 13:19

Re: Vista
 
Here is a Review from the mag Computer active
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/comp...ista-operating

entwisi 30-01-2007 13:27

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No, not entirely. For non technical users I reckon it will be a big improvement from a security perspective. As in those who don't know how to go delbing in teh guts won't work out how to turn all the annoying stuff off that is trying to protect them. The interface is wizzy and may not be to all peoples taste

lancsdave 30-01-2007 13:31

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Always a good policy never to upgrade MS operating system until it's got to a few versions down the line to iron the bugs out. 10 years is a good measure. :D

entwisi 30-01-2007 13:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mick (Post 376713)
Here is a Review from the mag Computer active
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/comp...ista-operating

I fail to see how the quote "Great performance without top-notch hardware"

fits with the quote "512Mb of memory really is an absolute minimum requirement"

In pretty much every review I've seen 1 gig is a recommended minimum, it was certainly my experience that at 512 it ran like a dog, constantly swapping stuff to disk.

Top notch hardware is an ambiguous quote but I know a heck of a lot of people with 512 Meg Ram or less.

Cherokee, yes, get the disk no matter what, consider using it when the dust has settled after teh first couple of months if no SERIOUS flaws appear

Margaret Pilkington 30-01-2007 16:36

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I also got a new computer at Christmas and I am entitled to the Premium Upgrade, but it is my intention to wait and see how it works for other users.

flashy 30-01-2007 17:06

Re: Vista
 
just flicking through the channels and vista is now showing on QVC if anyones interested :D

***Mr D*** 30-01-2007 17:14

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Here what a friend advised about vista.

Be Carefull what type you get.

Vista basic has no aero-glass interface and is crappy, missing most of the nice features of Vista. Buy this only if you get your PC's from Tiny.

Vista Home Premium is better, but if you use your PC for any work at all, you're gonna be stuck when your whole company's on Vista and you can't log onto their network using the features only available in Vista Business

Vista Business has no media centre stuff, meaning its crap except for boring work.

Vista Ultmate is t3h shizzn!t, but costs a bomb.

Also, beware of licencing. If you buy an OEM licence at vastly reduced price (I've seen OEM Vista Ultimate for 100 quid on overclockers.co.uk), you can only install it ONCE, and can't upgrade AT ALL (restricted by over-zealous activation) http://www.online-gaming-forums.com/...s/icon_mad.gif

Go for the full licence or XP upgrade licence and you can reinstall as many times as you like, upgrade, even move the licence from one computer to another. You will still have to activate each time you do this :@

Also note that unless you have 2GB RAM, Vista spends all its time paging to hard-disc. lol, microsoft...

entwisi 30-01-2007 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 376871)
Here what a friend advised about vista.

Be Carefull what type you get.

Vista basic has no aero-glass interface and is crappy, missing most of the nice features of Vista. Buy this only if you get your PC's from Tiny.

Vista Home Premium is better, but if you use your PC for any work at all, you're gonna be stuck when your whole company's on Vista and you can't log onto their network using the features only available in Vista Business

Vista Business has no media centre stuff, meaning its crap except for boring work.

Vista Ultmate is t3h shizzn!t, but costs a bomb.

Also, beware of licencing. If you buy an OEM licence at vastly reduced price (I've seen OEM Vista Ultimate for 100 quid on overclockers.co.uk), you can only install it ONCE, and can't upgrade AT ALL (restricted by over-zealous activation) http://www.online-gaming-forums.com/...s/icon_mad.gif

Go for the full licence or XP upgrade licence and you can reinstall as many times as you like, upgrade, even move the licence from one computer to another. You will still have to activate each time you do this :@

Also note that unless you have 2GB RAM, Vista spends all its time paging to hard-disc. lol, microsoft...


For 90% of HOME users premium will be perfectly fine

1 gig RAM is fine for most people, you mate seems to have a very silly view on reality for home users

yes, basic is and will be rubbish, stick with XP if this was your only choice

Premium - free if you bought media centre, seems like a decent deal and TBH covers most things home users will use. yes, no enterprise stuff but its not used by the people I know at home.

Anything else is for business use and probably doesn't interest anyone here.

WillowTheWhisp 30-01-2007 21:45

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So what happens Ian if you have Premium but bring work home and take it back and the office has Business?

entwisi 30-01-2007 21:50

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No problem, its just you can't connect to domains with Premium, working on docs is no problem

Mancie 30-01-2007 21:50

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Hang on! 2gig of ram or this app starts paging the hard disc.. I know its all progress but you can stick it!

WillowTheWhisp 30-01-2007 21:51

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So if I had a website do you mean I wouldn't be able to edit it? I'm rapidly going off this vista.

accymel 30-01-2007 21:52

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I take it its a newer version of or something like media centre 2005 ed?

Mancie 30-01-2007 21:55

Re: Vista
 
I get the feeling this would be more at home in the "real life scams" sticky thread :D

accymel 30-01-2007 21:57

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Trouble is that with the buying of new systems poor sods are gonna be lumbered with this vista:(

WillowTheWhisp 30-01-2007 21:58

Re: Vista
 
Maybe there'll be some nice cheap PCs for sale with the good old XP on them?

accymel 30-01-2007 22:00

Re: Vista
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 377072)
Maybe there'll be some nice cheap PCs for sale with the good old XP on them?

If there is let me know LOL!! Was sceptical about Xp at 1st but have to say im rather impressed with it once passed the validation process LOL:D

Im even more sceptical about this vista tho!!!

entwisi 30-01-2007 22:13

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Let me clarify,

1) Willow, no problems, webites are just html docs, domains is a word used more than once in IT, you get used to it after a while

2) 1 gig is enough for vista, yes it hungry and a lot of people don't have 1 gig but to say it needs 2 gig is downright a lie (and you all know how anti M$ I am)

3) yes it teh 'new' version of windows just liek XP was new about 5 years ago

4) it is far more 'secure' than XP and for a non techincal user should protect them a lot more than XP does. However the 'cost' of this is that techie users find it extremely intrusive when you want to do stuff.

5) you only have cover on XP for ~2 more years and then you will be on Vista like it or not, think like you were still using win 95 today, thats what it will be like.

the big issues being discussed are HD playback and DRM . now thats is what will be interesting over the next 6 months

WillowTheWhisp 30-01-2007 22:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 377083)
Let me clarify,

1) Willow, no problems, webites are just html docs, domains is a word used more than once in IT, you get used to it after a while


Could you enlighten us lesser beings as to what you actually mean then cos I'm flummoxed.:confused:

entwisi 30-01-2007 22:34

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Domain

A website is officially called a 'domain'

in Windows, you set up 'domains' which if you like set out boundaries of a certain set of network resources.

e.g. in Websphere Applicatin server a domain means something different again

I'm sure that there are other uses of 'domain' in IT, i'll thinkj of them later

WillowTheWhisp 30-01-2007 23:10

Re: Vista
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 377102)
Domain

A website is officially called a 'domain'

Y'see that's what I was thinking in terms of.

andrewb 31-01-2007 10:43

Re: Vista
 
Vista ultimate has like nothing worth the extra £130 .. the few things extra you can get free from 3rd parties anyway..

Hopefully people will start looking at Linux as a real alternative now, Vista takes up a huge amount of resources and really dosn't offer much for the price to say Linux is completely free!

panther 31-01-2007 11:29

Re: Vista
 
The new system was also launched in America yesterday, where it will cost between $100 and $249 (£51 to £127) depending on the sophistication of the version, whereas in this country it will be priced from £100 to £249, almost exactly twice as much.

Can your computer handle Vista?
The minimum specifications for a PC that Microsoft claims Vista will run on:
• 800MHz processor
• 512Mb memory
• DirectX9 capable graphics processor
For what is called the Premium Ready status, the following is the recommended minimum:
• 1Ghz processor
• 1Gb memory
• 128Mb graphics memory
• 40Gb hard drive
• DVD-ROM
• Internet access
To tell if your machine will run the new software, visit www.microsoft.com and download a program which will analyse your computer and offer advice on whether it can handle the new Vista system.:p

entwisi 01-02-2007 07:00

Re: Vista
 
Looks like teh DRM stuff has pretty much been beaten as well. Things are looking up :D

Bill Gates was asked why its double teh price in teh UK to America. "We try and keep our prices teh same but I haven't been following the currency markets to notice and changes that may have affected this" he says, #



Errr..... Bill, its been over $1.90 to the pound for nearly a year now!!!

Less 01-02-2007 07:34

Re: Vista
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 377796)
Looks like teh DRM stuff has pretty much been beaten as well. Things are looking up :D

For anyone like me that either couldn't remember or didn't know what DRM stands for heres a link.:D


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management

WillowTheWhisp 01-02-2007 13:24

Re: Vista
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 377796)

Bill Gates was asked why its double teh price in teh UK to America. "We try and keep our prices teh same but I haven't been following the currency markets to notice and changes that may have affected this" he says,

I've noticed the same sort of thing with other stuff from the USA - my cousin in California can buy something at $5 and over here it's £5. It's as if they seem to think the £ and the $ signs are interchangeable.

panther 01-02-2007 19:53

Re: Vista
 
Microsoft has admitted that speech recognition features in Vista could be hijacked so that a PC tells itself to delete files or folders. ....lol

entwisi 02-02-2007 08:08

Re: Vista
 
its possible but not really likely. it needs a combination of flaws to take effect, one of which is teh human in charge and in that case every PC has a flaw :D

andrewb 02-02-2007 09:07

Re: Vista
 
I wonder if its possible to create music that had the correct frequencies in certain parts to make it sound like somebody was issueing commands, but the human wouldn't know because they'd think it was music?

Possible?

entwisi 02-02-2007 19:21

Re: Vista
 
nah, sound waves sound the same, Voice recog is bad enough at dealing with accents, never mind music pretending to be speech

John_Timmins 06-02-2007 13:31

Re: Vista
 
Get it free from uni as a computing student so might have a look at it :)

entwisi 06-02-2007 13:46

Re: Vista
 
Just also noticed that "The Cloud" are offering free trials of their WIFI networks to people with Vista.

http://www.thecloud.net/vista/

Tinkerbelle 09-02-2007 17:32

Re: Vista
 
.................. :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VEfnbkZfDQY

accymel 09-02-2007 17:41

Re: Vista
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle (Post 381322)

Now that sounds about right to me - instead of buying it burn yer money to get value for money :rofl38:

Doesnt bode well for vista does it:rolleyes:


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