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***Mr D***

13-02-2007 08:57

XP Install HELP

HELP NEEDED

What Happend Was.

I built the machine (as per previous Thred), Powered On and all seemed Fine, Come up with some message about installing (same probably for most new PC's)

So I went to Install Windows XP, Loaded Disc all seemed Fine, started installing, Blue Screen, messages flashing at the bottom, I did see something about press F6 or F3 for something but it went to quick.

After this It can to a screen saying Push F3 to Quit, R to Repair, Enter to Continue, So I pressed Enter, NOTING HAPPENED, II left it for a while and noticed that the new Ram I got (Has Fancy Lights on it) was lit up half way throug and not moving so waited another 5 Mins and decided to reboot.

Now on reboot I get A Quick flash of Bios screen Thing, Can Push DEL to enter BIOS with loads of settings (I have not touched these) then it just goes to a Black Screen with a Curser at the top, this may drop down a line.

I have tried to load the disc again No joy, cannot type anything. Im confused. LOL

I have not entered / Installed any other discs, I went to instrall XP first.

Any Idea's

accymel

13-02-2007 09:47

Re: XP Install HELP

Did u format the hard disk before installing XP??

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 09:51

Re: XP Install HELP

Totally New Machine.

All I did was Put Xp Install Disk In, First Disc put on System it started to load, then crashed, Now All I get is Black Screen.

I presumed Formating the drive is part of the XP process????

accymel

13-02-2007 09:59

Re: XP Install HELP

I had problems with installing xp on a new HD on an old pc i was upgrading, it was a HD my dad had real problems installing XP, i just formatted the disk & it installed:D

It could be something on your HD drive that maybe is conflicting the install

Neil	13-02-2007 10:05

Re: XP Install HELP

You say it is a new machine. Did you use a SATA hard drive? If so do you need a driver disk to install XP on it. Thats the press F6 to install 3rd party drivers bit it shows early in the install

Neil	13-02-2007 10:07

Re: XP Install HELP

You could try going into BIOS and resetting to defaults. You may need to change some settings so the motherboard recognises your drives. Is the BIOS still set to boot from CD?

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 10:09

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 382889)

You say it is a new machine. Did you use a SATA hard drive? If so do you need a driver disk to install XP on it. Thats the press F6 to install 3rd party drivers bit it shows early in the install

Im Sure its a Sata HDD, Sata2???

Didnt get any disks with it though?

I did also see the F6 thingy, but didnt do it then.

Thing is how do I get it to start again also all I get is Black Screen or Bios Screen??

Thanks.

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 10:10

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 382890)

You could try going into BIOS and resetting to defaults. You may need to change some settings so the motherboard recognises your drives. Is the BIOS still set to boot from CD?

LOL I wouldnt know, TBH, I presume BIOS should be new anyway as its a new board.

It has been mentioned to make sure the Boot is CD drive First. which I will try soon

Neil	13-02-2007 10:13

Re: XP Install HELP

If your board needs a driver so XP can see your SATA drive it should come with the motherboard. Some boards don't, I have had to download them in the past. I am using a SATA drive in this but I can't remember if it needed a driver diak during install, I have not reinstalled for a long time.

I do think you have a BIOS setting issue. When it tries to boot it should be either booting from CD or complained that it can't find a boot device.

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 10:21

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 382893)

There is a Disk with the M board. Although the book seems to go install this disc and play with settings, shouws it like a O/S is already installed.

I also think its down to BIOS setting.

Will keep trying.

entwisi

13-02-2007 12:36

Re: XP Install HELP

<fx: Ian whistles quietly to himself about how someone was going on about how cheap and easy it was to build his own PC :D >

Now down to help.

In Bios, make sure you have set everything to defaults to start with. Then look for any settings about enabling SATA(Your M/board manual should tell you about this if it needs to be done or will explicitly say that it supports SATA out teh box.
Then, making sure that teh first boot device is set to CDROM boot the PC with the XP install disk in. It should start teh setup process(At this point it doesn't even know there is a HD present.) Again in your M/board manual look for any mention of a 3rd party driver disk that should be used to install an OS. If there is make sure you have it available and go through the process to install them during XPs setup.(sit and watch EVERY screen, don't try and watch TV at the same time, this needs 100% attention) It may prompt you to format the partitions that are already there. I would recommend doing this so you know that there is no 'hangover' from your previous attempt.

Let us know if you get any further

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 12:57

Re: XP Install HELP

Well I went home at dinner (only get a hour) though I would try it see what it does for a more detailed explanation.

I changed the Boot to CD driver First, tried a re boot and it started to instal, same as before, now I got past the part where it froze before and created 1 partition, just left it to complete the instal, said 35 mins, (was already late back) so hopefully problem Sorted.

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 18:46

Re: XP Install HELP

Well All Go managed to sort the Install.

Any tips on thigs I should be doing now I have net access and windows installed.

I have installed all the Card, Mboards Drivers.

Got AVG Free and Using Window Fire wall for now but will upgrade to Zone Alarm. soon.

Just doing a Windows Update.

Anything I have missed or should do.

Whats the score with the HArd Drive put one partition in at install point and it only shows that, 50gb where the other 200gb.:D how do I creat more partitions.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

chav1

13-02-2007 19:31

Re: XP Install HELP

hard drives never show the size they say they are in windows , long explination i cant remember

new partitions , look for a program called partition magic

i think windows has options regarding partitions in control pannel , administrative tools . then select disk management but to be honest i dont think it allows you to make new partitions but i may be wrong

partition magic will

accymel

13-02-2007 19:44

Re: XP Install HELP

What size is your D drive????

chav1

13-02-2007 19:47

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 383121)

What size is your D drive????

now thats personal :D

ps:

if yuor main dvd/cd rom isnt labled as d: i would goto administrative tools and select change drive path and make it d: because some applications dont like running from cd or dvd under any other drive letter

rare but it happens

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 20:13

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 383114)

Cheers Chav Will have a look into that some time soon. Is it Free?

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 383121)

What size is your D drive????

:eek: :eek: :D 250G

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 383125)

Cd/DVD is down as D: Drive

chav1

13-02-2007 20:17

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 383142)

Cheers Chav Will have a look into that some time soon. Is it Free?

lol not meant to be but...;)

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 20:22

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 383150)

lol not meant to be but...;)

:) :cool: So is it any good.

Will it find my missing 200gb.:D

chav1

13-02-2007 20:27

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 383155)

:) :cool: So is it any good.

Will it find my missing 200gb.:D

lol you have 200gb missing :eek:

soz i missed that bit i thought you were talking mb or somthing

andrewb

13-02-2007 20:45

Re: XP Install HELP

Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 383155)

:) :cool: So is it any good.

Will it find my missing 200gb.:D

When you made a partition did you select to use all the space or just 50Gb?

In XP install you should have deleted any partitions then selected the remaining one something like 'free partition' as thats the only one in the list then it should have used 250GB

chav1

13-02-2007 20:50

Re: XP Install HELP

if you go into admin tools in control pannel then select disk management youe wull see a blue box and it will say c: healthy and its size 50gb

next to it will be a black box and it will say unpartoitioned space

click in there and select create partition

***Mr D***

13-02-2007 20:57

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 383161)

lol you have 200gb missing :eek:

soz i missed that bit i thought you were talking mb or somthing

Yup Its Missing.:D

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 383189)

Just did the one, though it would do the other one after.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 383197)

Found It, LOL there it is.:D

Thanks

entwisi

14-02-2007 07:52

Re: XP Install HELP

I thought you said you knew about PCs?????? :confused:

partitioning is one of the basics, what FS are you going to use, do you know the difference? what size partitions are you going to make, primary? extended? logical? how many do you/should you make?

Your initial thread was all about how much extra bang/buck you would get but without fine tuning the system you have no chance of it performing at its best. What about virtual memory? how big? what partition? fixed or variable?

These are just very basic Qs. without understanding what you are doing it would be like letting you tune a ferrari, yes it still beat a mini but by how much?

I'm genuinely not trying to be awkward here but it does sound like you haven't got the knowledge to make that kit sing as it should. THAT is the reason I suggested buying a properly built, preconfigured/installed system, someone who knows what they are doing will have done all this for you. THAT is also why sometimes they are a bit more than the cost of their parts. I've been messing with PCs etc for longer than I care to remember, I've invested time patience and effort in learning what I do(as have those who charge to build PCs). I'm all for you learning and there is no better way than doing something yourself but when you have a problem, instead of just coming on here and asking why not try and work it out for yourself. read round the subject, understand it then next time you will know what to do when faced with a slightly different set of circumstances.

Neil	14-02-2007 08:07

Re: XP Install HELP

Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 383339)

I'm genuinely not trying to be awkward here but it does sound like you haven't got the knowledge to make that kit sing as it should. THAT is the reason I suggested buying a properly built, preconfigured/installed system, someone who knows what they are doing will have done all this for you. THAT is also why sometimes they are a bit more than the cost of their parts. I've been messing with PCs etc for longer than I care to remember, I've invested time patience and effort in learning what I do(as have those who charge to build PCs). I'm all for you learning and there is no better way than doing something yourself but when you have a problem, instead of just coming on here and asking why not try and work it out for yourself. read round the subject, understand it then next time you will know what to do when faced with a slightly different set of circumstances.

That sounds like good advice, now I think I best tootle off and do some reading myself :D

***Mr D***

14-02-2007 10:45

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 383339)

I have never said I am A Guru With PC's I know Basic stuff which is a lot more than some folk and am willing to give it a go.

LIke you say how do you learn, by doing things. This is a Learning process for me and I know more today than I did yesterday so its all good.

As for partitioning, Yes I agree I have never installed a O/S before or built a PC from scratch with a new HD, infact this is only my second PC.

As for the fine tuning as I said its all a learning process but I do know people who are mad for there gaming and go to great depth to obtain a high running PC so im sure they will help me on that side. (if I need to O/C that is)

IMHO buying froma shop is no better, my mate once bough a PC from a local computer shop (no names) and he had nothing but problems, in fact he ever recond that they didnt fit all the parts they charged him far.

Why should I not post on here, This isnt the only Forum I use and its good to Cross reference the advise I have been given, and hopefully it will be genuine advise, as you probably know searching for a problem fix lets say via google can be a mine field. I do read up on a subject, but if I dont understand what im reading fully I find it easier to ask.

Soon I will run 3dMark06, this should see how much Bang my system has got.

chav1

14-02-2007 13:50

Re: XP Install HELP

dont wory mrD even if you didnt install te motherboatd drivers it would run better than a pc world system

tweakxp.com will help you a lot

http://tweakxp.com/

dont install any tweaking software , look for teh tips and do it manualy

heres a link to take you to what you want

http://tweakxp.com/performance_tweaks.aspx

***Mr D***

14-02-2007 13:58

Re: XP Install HELP

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 383451)

Well Probably.:D

Nice Link, some reading to do there, will wait until back at work so I can print the bits I need.:)

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