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claytonx 13-01-2012 20:11

Windows Eight
 
I was a member of P.C for seniors, and they still send me weekly letters, this week 13/01/2012 they are saying there will be Windows 8 out this year.

Margaret Pilkington 13-01-2012 21:19

Re: Windows Eight
 
Microsoft Windows 8 operating system is due to be launched in October of this year.
Previously Microsoft have been quite cagey about when new OS are being launched, but I am sure I have heard it or read that it is being released in October

jaysay 14-01-2012 09:01

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 962309)
Microsoft Windows 8 operating system is due to be launched in October of this year.
Previously Microsoft have been quite cagey about when new OS are being launched, but I am sure I have heard it or read that it is being released in October

It was discussed on the BBC computer program Click this morning, they aren't pushing it yet but its supposed to be a system which amalgamates the PC and Phone systems and is touch screen

Mick 14-01-2012 09:03

Re: Windows Eight
 
I will leave it for at least 6 months as it will still be full of bugs:D:p

Eric 14-01-2012 12:50

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 962384)
I will leave it for at least 6 months as it will still be full of bugs:D:p

Dead right ... same with a lot of products ... noticed it with cars too.

Margaret Pilkington 14-01-2012 13:31

Re: Windows Eight
 
I can't see it being worse the Vista.......that must be the worst operating system ever.
I have it on my laptop and I hate it.
I hardly use my laptop because Vista is so ungainly and user unfriendly.

I can't see me buying a new computer system for a long time...so there will probably be a nine and a ten out before then.:)

jaysay 14-01-2012 13:44

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 962437)
I can't see it being worse the Vista.......that must be the worst operating system ever.
I have it on my laptop and I hate it.
I hardly use my laptop because Vista is so ungainly and user unfriendly.

I can't see me buying a new computer system for a long time...so there will probably be a nine and a ten out before then.:)

You'll have to get rid of your gas fired computer sometime Margaret:D

lancsdave 14-01-2012 13:46

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 962384)
I will leave it for at least 6 months as it will still be full of bugs:D:p


It's Microsoft, leave it 6 years :D

lancsdave 14-01-2012 13:47

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 962381)
It was discussed on the BBC computer program Click this morning, they aren't pushing it yet but its supposed to be a system which amalgamates the PC and Phone systems and is touch screen

I think they said that won't happen in Windows 8, only bits of it. Windows 456 is expected to be the update for that :)

Margaret Pilkington 14-01-2012 13:47

Re: Windows Eight
 
Oi, John. I'll have you know that this one is just a little over a year old...and runs (blissful) windows 7.
I was really worried when I bought it.......I really thought Windows 7 would be like Vista.......I almost cried when my old computer with XP on it died.
Anyway, I have found Windows 7 a dream after crappy Vista.

jaysay 14-01-2012 14:04

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 962451)
Oi, John. I'll have you know that this one is just a little over a year old...and runs (blissful) windows 7.
I was really worried when I bought it.......I really thought Windows 7 would be like Vista.......I almost cried when my old computer with XP on it died.
Anyway, I have found Windows 7 a dream after crappy Vista.

Ya I have windows 7 on mine and I've just downloaded IE9, and its a lot better than IE8

Margaret Pilkington 14-01-2012 15:11

Re: Windows Eight
 
Firefox for me!

maxthecollie 14-01-2012 16:31

Re: Windows Eight
 
bring back XP

jaysay 14-01-2012 16:32

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 962467)
Firefox for me!

I have it on mine too Margaret, but prefer IE, think its better the devil you know

Margaret Pilkington 14-01-2012 18:03

Re: Windows Eight
 
Well, I did prefer IE, but when I had to upgrade I didn't like it one bit so I changed to firefox...much better.

Eric 14-01-2012 23:15

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 962491)
bring back XP


Still have it on an old desktop I have in my basement ... love it.

Eric 14-01-2012 23:17

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 962437)
I can't see it being worse the Vista.......that must be the worst operating system ever.
I have it on my laptop and I hate it.
I hardly use my laptop because Vista is so ungainly and user unfriendly.

I can't see me buying a new computer system for a long time...so there will probably be a nine and a ten out before then.:)

Brings to mind that neat oxymoron: microsoft works.:rolleyes::D

Margaret Pilkington 15-01-2012 09:10

Re: Windows Eight
 
I like it Eric!
But I hate Vista

jaysay 15-01-2012 09:31

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 962646)
I like it Eric!
But I hate Vista

I had Vista on my old laptop Margaret, never caused me any problems

Margaret Pilkington 15-01-2012 09:44

Re: Windows Eight
 
It doesn't cause any problems John, it is just such an ungainly system. I liked XP......I even liked ME2000....they were easy to navigate. Vista is a nightmare to navigate....and it is memory hungry too. Horrible, downright horrible.

skuta 22-01-2012 01:59

Re: Windows Eight
 
Win8 has already been hacked by the bootkit announced at Malcon last year. It will be interesting to see how the final retail version pans out considering that it's security has already been compromised.
My personal concern is that it might not support dual booting with non-MS OS's. I'm pretty sure there'll be a workaround for us linux users that still have to put up with legacy MS bloatware just to run one or two specific non linux supported app's.
As always, remain vigilant regarding your online security by not visiting sketchy sites (especially following links in spam, don't do it!), and harden your firewall and AV defences especially if you are visiting darknet sites, or certain IRC channels. hint: Proxy chaining FTW.

Neil 22-01-2012 19:34

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skuta (Post 964038)
Win8 has already been hacked by the bootkit announced at Malcon last year. It will be interesting to see how the final retail version pans out considering that it's security has already been compromised.
My personal concern is that it might not support dual booting with non-MS OS's. I'm pretty sure there'll be a workaround for us linux users that still have to put up with legacy MS bloatware just to run one or two specific non linux supported app's.
As always, remain vigilant regarding your online security by not visiting sketchy sites (especially following links in spam, don't do it!), and harden your firewall and AV defences especially if you are visiting darknet sites, or certain IRC channels. hint: Proxy chaining FTW.

If linux is so good you wont need to use pesky Microsoft products will you :p

skuta 23-01-2012 10:58

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 964143)
If linux is so good you wont need to use pesky Microsoft products will you :p

There's very little if anything that suits everyone completely. There's things I like about both OS's. It just so happens I've found my requirements sit consistently around linux based systems, with a couple remaining on the Windows side. I would prefer it though if I had everything on the one side to save me the switching when I need to use a particular piece of software. Oh well! Look on the bright side, I didn't come on here ranting about how great Mac products are! ;)

(Not that there's anything wrong with those either mind you).

Margaret Pilkington 23-01-2012 12:33

Re: Windows Eight
 
The vast majority of people who use computers know very little about operating systems......not anywhere near enough to make informed decisions.
They have 'grown up'(and I mean that in the technical sense rather than the chronological sense) with Microsoft products and find anything else slightly alien to them....I think this is definitely true of the older end of computer users...we(I include myself in this because I fit into that category) prefer to use what we know....what we are used to......because we don't know any different.
Computers arrrive ready for use with an operating system.....and while you sound very computer savvy and could probably adapt any computer you owned to an operating system that you feel is safer/more acceptable/fits the bill....while we can't do that.....because we do not know how to.

Pesonally, I am just grateful if the darned thing works when I switch it on.

Less 23-01-2012 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 964284)

Pesonally, I am just grateful if the darned thing works when I switch it on.

That is something we all feel Margaret.

I could adapt my computer to run both Windows and Linux, but I choose not to.
I use windows7 because it's convenient and once antivirus and other security are in place have no problems.
As a choice for work I use a Macbook.
For some strange reason people often get fixated and even evangelistic about the operating system they use, all I can say is if that rocks your boat then use it but don't look down your nose on what others choose to use, lifes too short and the rest of us do seem to manage.
Anybody remember about three years ago the servers for AccyWeb were hacked by some Dutch idiots?Just because they could? Closing all the sites Roy was running for about a week which OS was he using at the time, well, it wasn't Windows, it was that state of the art heavily secure you just can't beat it, Linux. If they want to ruin things for others they will do no matter what system you use.
So if your happy with Windows use it, if you enjoy the ease of use of a Mac, use it, if you wish to spend your time with Linux then use it, but don't criticise others for their choice of operating system.
All that does is show you have a very narrow vision of what computing is about.

claytonx 23-01-2012 13:29

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 964284)
The vast majority of people who use computers know very little about operating systems......not anywhere near enough to make informed decisions.
They have 'grown up'(and I mean that in the technical sense rather than the chronological sense) with Microsoft products and find anything else slightly alien to them....I think this is definitely true of the older end of computer users...we(I include myself in this because I fit into that category) prefer to use what we know....what we are used to......because we don't know any different.
Computers arrrive ready for use with an operating system.....and while you sound very computer savvy and could probably adapt any computer you owned to an operating system that you feel is safer/more acceptable/fits the bill....while we can't do that.....because we do not know how to.

Pesonally, I am just grateful if the darned thing works when I switch it on.

Totally agree with that Margaret,know a bit more with joining P C for Seniors but got a bit to expensive.Don't have it any more.

Retlaw 23-01-2012 14:02

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 962491)
bring back XP

Why ? where's it gone, I still have it, & use it to store, and process all my pictures of WW1.
All my main work is in a computer that still runs on DOS 6, and using a word processor call WordStar 6, I can use WordStar to create pages in a format thats impossible in any of gill bate's sh1te.
The most important thing in DOS, no bluudy time wasting mouse to bother about.
I also have another with windows 7, but thats a pain in the you know what, gave it to my daughter, she gave it me back, couldn't get her head round the crappy layout, and new phraseology they use, had it for more than a year, don't think its had 4 hours usage yet.

Margaret Pilkington 23-01-2012 14:10

Re: Windows Eight
 
Well, despite my initial misgivings I got used to windows 7....much easier than Vista....but it is personal choice. If it works, and does what you want it to do, then that is all that matters.
Sometimes I think there is as much computer snobbery about as wine snobbery.
You like, what you like....simple as.

claytonx 29-02-2012 12:03

Up date windows 8
 
Today is the day that Microsoft release the Windows 8 Consumer Preview.
This isn't the finished Windows 8. To all accounts that will be launched around September/October. This is an early look at how it's shaping up.
It should be released U.S time which could be well into the evening here.

claytonx 01-03-2012 09:49

Up Up Date Windows 8
 
To see Consumer Preview go to Microsoft Corporation: Software, Smartphones, Online, Games, Cloud Computing, IT Business Technology, Downloads and all will be revealed.

Restless 02-04-2012 22:25

Re: Up date windows 8
 
Oh my did you try windows 8 consumer preview? If my phone hadn't of busted I would have made a video for my blog to demonstrate what is possibly the weirdest windows system Microsoft have created.

I guess the whole idea is touch screen. I loved my HTC sensation phone before It broken. I don't have a tablet(or ipad) generally they look cool for what they are but I don't like the idea touch screen revolution taking over desktop pcs. I cannot imagine myself sat here now using my screen instead of a mouse.

So I installed windows 8 consumer preview right before I reinstalled my Linux system hoping to dual boot with Win8CP NB**

Wow what a confusion. Windows7 is pretty much a perfect operating system compared to others they released(though I mainly use linux)

Windows 8 introduces the metro style or whatever they call it. Its pretty confusing to say the least. It feels like a tablet thing to me. On a touch screen tablet I think this would probably be great. You can get the the win7 desktop up though but it seems you have to constantly go back to the metro start screen. Wow it is totally weird for a Microsoft product. So much of a change I don't think people are going to like it much. But its only a preview version and in no way represents the full product.

But its nice of them to allow you to install a preview to see if you are going to like it.
But I would recommend if you want to try it that you download the ISO burn it on DVD(or create usb installer) make a partition on your hard drive and install it. This way you will get dual boot 7 and 8. I think it might be a pain for people to get their 7 systems back using the installer-- not sure about this. Another option is to try it on a spare PC.



NB** note that if you use linux and windows dual boot. Its not so easy to get the dual boot working with the autoinstaller that unbuntu provides(this may be due to I use ubuntu12.04beta1) I have kinda managed(i cheated) it but I have to go in bios to switch to w8

Restless 02-04-2012 22:45

Re: Windows Eight
 
Vista was an mistake and 7 was the rectification of that mistake hehe

I just wrote about 8 in another post. I seem to be dual posting a lot lately :)

Windows 8 is..... well it is crazy. Still its the 'consumer preview' I was using. I think I shall stick to Linux for everyday usage. It is a much better experience. Though I still like 7.

I have 7 on my HTPC/XBMC to save hassle with driver problems.


Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 962491)
bring back XP

NOOOOOoooooo don't do that :D

If your pc is old try installing a lite version of linux. (if you dont need too man windows apps that is)

jaysay 03-04-2012 09:13

Re: Windows Eight
 
Thanks for the info Restless from what you've said don't think I'll be dashing out to get Windows 8 I'll stick with 7

Restless 03-04-2012 15:30

Re: Windows Eight
 
When I can make a video I will. Watching a MSN video will make it look great-- You really need to see it in action.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982126)
Thanks for the info Restless from what you've said don't think I'll be dashing out to get Windows 8 I'll stick with 7


Margaret Pilkington 03-04-2012 16:52

Re: Windows Eight
 
I like 7....hated Vista......I have it on a laptop and I hate using the laptop because Vista is so unfriendly to users.
Don't see me getting Windows 8 anytime soon.

jaysay 03-04-2012 17:11

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 982183)
When I can make a video I will. Watching a MSN video will make it look great-- You really need to see it in action.

Cheers Restless will be interesting to see

jaysay 03-04-2012 17:14

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982192)
I like 7....hated Vista......I have it on a laptop and I hate using the laptop because Vista is so unfriendly to users.
Don't see me getting Windows 8 anytime soon.

I love 7 Margaret, although I haven't really had any problems with any windows systems I've used and I think I've used them all, my first was the first standard windows, the one before windows 95 and I must have had them all since then

Margaret Pilkington 03-04-2012 19:26

Re: Windows Eight
 
It isn't problems with Vista...well, not what you could call problems.......it is just not user friendly........hard to navigate, memory hungry. I liked XP......I have used all the ohter John.....95,98,2000ME........never stuggled to find my way about with any of them, but Vista is the pits. When my ship comes in I will ditch the damn thing and get Windows 7.

susie123 03-04-2012 19:36

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982285)
It isn't problems with Vista...well, not what you could call problems.......it is just not user friendly........hard to navigate, memory hungry. I liked XP......I have used all the ohter John.....95,98,2000ME........never stuggled to find my way about with any of them, but Vista is the pits. When my ship comes in I will ditch the damn thing and get Windows 7.

Wouldn't it be worth just selling it second hand and starting again? It must be frustrating to have a device that you don't use.

I got a really nice little netbook with Windows 7 on for £250 recently.

I agree with you, Vista is the pits - and so does my Richard, who actually knows about these things...

Margaret Pilkington 03-04-2012 19:41

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982293)
Wouldn't it be worth just selling it second hand and starting again? It must be frustrating to have a device that you don't use.

I got a really nice little netbook with Windows 7 on for £250 recently.

I agree with you, Vista is the pits - and so does my Richard, who actually knows about these things...

I do use it...but very infrequently....and I really think it is because it is a crap OS.

That is probably what I will do.........buy a new one I mean. The tinlids will probably fight over the old one.
I'm glad someone else found Vista a right pain in the butt. I didn't like it from the moment I switched it on, but it was a present from himself so I couldn't say too much(well, I could have, but it wouldn't have done much good - and he did think he was doing something really good).

As for my ship coming in....all that comes in for me is the tide! :)

Restless 03-04-2012 21:27

Re: Windows Eight
 
Vista is the disease and 7 was the cure :D

Margaret Pilkington 03-04-2012 21:29

Re: Windows Eight
 
Oh, hell I've still got the disease(well on my laptop that is).

Neil 03-04-2012 22:17

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982345)
Oh, hell I've still got the disease(well on my laptop that is).

Instead of getting rid of it why not get Windows 7 installed on it, not sure how much Windows 7 is to buy but at least you will be a happy bunny with it

Restless 03-04-2012 22:32

Re: Windows Eight
 
M$ should provide it for free for you having to have put up with vista for so long

Upgrades(which in my opinion is a rip off and rubbish-- really you want the physical media)

Home Premium £99
Professional £189
Ultimate £199

Full version

Home Premium £149
Professional £219
Ultimate £229

These are M$'s official UK prices. You could buy it cheaper elsewhere perhaps?

What gets me if the difference in price between professional and ultimate. Why bother with prof and just pay £10 more

Neil 03-04-2012 22:44

Re: Windows Eight
 
What gets me is the massive price difference between Home Premium and Ultimate.

Here is a link showing that for most people Home Premium is fine unless I am missing something

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...oducts/compare

Neil 03-04-2012 22:49

Re: Windows Eight
 
Upgrade from Vista to Win 7 Home Premium is £83.47 from Amazon in this link http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Wi.../dp/B002DGS81C

Restless 03-04-2012 23:44

Re: Windows Eight
 
I would say that home was perfectly fine for any normal user

Neil. What happens if you wish to reinstall? do you get to download a copy and use the key again?

EDIT: Am I missing something. is this on DVD? I had thought it was some kind of download

jaysay 04-04-2012 08:41

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 982380)
I would say that home was perfectly fine for any normal user

Neil. What happens if you wish to reinstall? do you get to download a copy and use the key again?

EDIT: Am I missing something. is this on DVD? I had thought it was some kind of download

Not sure Restless, but I think you can ask for the disk, I did once, but it is a while ago and can't remember what it was now, but it was to do with Windows

Neil 04-04-2012 11:27

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 982380)
I would say that home was perfectly fine for any normal user

Neil. What happens if you wish to reinstall? do you get to download a copy and use the key again?

EDIT: Am I missing something. is this on DVD? I had thought it was some kind of download

Its says its a DVD but I know nothing about the upgrade process or how you prove you have a legit copy of Vista sorry

Restless 04-04-2012 15:05

Re: Windows Eight
 
I guess it just integrates all your old files and updates the old system. A slightly different installer on the dvd perhaps? The fact they justify having to pay £50 more for a 'full' version is mystifying me

hmm proving legit copy. Key is on the laptop right? most likely that key that isn't rapidly used by 1000's of IP Addresses via distributed copied versions and who in their right mind would install vista now?

jaysay 04-04-2012 17:27

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 982453)
Its says its a DVD but I know nothing about the upgrade process or how you prove you have a legit copy of Vista sorry

My last 3 computers have been Dell, and they always includ the DVD I have Vista, 7 and the one before that,

Restless 04-04-2012 18:19

Re: Windows Eight
 
I suppose its ok to download a of 7 from somewhere if you reinstall it if dell didn't provide you with a disc? the product key should be included on the tower or desktop somewhere. Unfortunately you cant use the vista key on 7 :( but m$ should allow that for for the mistake that is vista

jaysay 04-04-2012 18:35

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 982525)
I suppose its ok to download a of 7 from somewhere if you reinstall it if dell didn't provide you with a disc? the product key should be included on the tower or desktop somewhere. Unfortunately you cant use the vista key on 7 :( but m$ should allow that for for the mistake that is vista

To my knowledge Restless Dell always supply a disk when you buy a computer, I fact I've lent mine to some AW members so they could reinstall on their systems

Restless 04-04-2012 19:11

Re: Windows Eight
 
yeah I got vista home with my laptop... haha I gave it away and don't want it back.


My digicam doesn't like my memory card so I can't make a video(and they want £130 to fix my htc sensation :mad: )

but here is a pretty good video demonstrating windows 8

Demo: Windows 8 Consumer Preview - YouTube




Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982528)
To my knowledge Restless Dell always supply a disk when you buy a computer, I fact I've lent mine to some AW members so they could reinstall on their systems


jaysay 05-04-2012 09:31

Re: Windows Eight
 
Uh think I'll stick with 7 Restless

susie123 05-04-2012 09:40

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 982549)
yeah I got vista home with my laptop... haha I gave it away and don't want it back.


My digicam doesn't like my memory card so I can't make a video(and they want £130 to fix my htc sensation :mad: )

but here is a pretty good video demonstrating windows 8

Thanks for that Rob - really wanted to watch the video but the guy was speaking so fast I couldn't follow what he was saying! Sounded like a record played at the wrong speed.

BTW I'm glad you didn't leave Accyweb as you threatened to - as I said before, think you have a lot to contribute. :)

maxthecollie 05-04-2012 09:41

Re: Windows Eight
 
Bring back the Sinclair ZX Spectrum

jaysay 05-04-2012 09:48

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 982662)
Bring back the Sinclair ZX Spectrum

Have ya still got any tapes for um Max:D

maxthecollie 05-04-2012 09:53

Re: Windows Eight
 
No everthing went to the tip

jaysay 05-04-2012 09:54

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 982672)
No everthing went to the tip

Sold mine at a carboot sale

susie123 05-04-2012 10:03

Re: Windows Eight
 
For all those Vista haters out there...

Top ten terrible tech products | Page 10 | CNET UK

susie123 05-04-2012 10:32

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 982662)
Bring back the Sinclair ZX Spectrum

Sure we must have one somewhere...

Planet Sinclair: Computers: ZX Spectrum

I know that lurking around the house we have somewhere a Sinclair Black Watch and an original calculator, both built from kits in the early 1970s by my other half, just before I met him. Should have known what I was letting myself in for!

Planet Sinclair: Other Products: The Black Watch

Planet Sinclair: Calculators: Cambridge

He even resembles Sir Clive and has occasionally been mistaken for him!

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/m...an-at-work.jpg

Restless 05-04-2012 14:05

Re: Windows Eight
 
perhaps then you would love this site

World of Spectrum

:D


Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 982662)
Bring back the Sinclair ZX Spectrum


Restless 05-04-2012 14:06

Re: Windows Eight
 
:) thanks susie

TBH I had just rearranged pc and speakers was unplugged. Try turning off your speakers-- The imagery speaks for itself! :hesoff:

Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982661)
Thanks for that Rob - really wanted to watch the video but the guy was speaking so fast I couldn't follow what he was saying! Sounded like a record played at the wrong speed.

BTW I'm glad you didn't leave Accyweb as you threatened to - as I said before, think you have a lot to contribute. :)


susie123 05-04-2012 14:15

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 982714)
TBH I had just rearranged pc and speakers was unplugged. Try turning off your speakers-- The imagery speaks for itself! :hesoff:

Great minds think alike - I was going to do that but haven't got round to it yet...

entwisi 05-04-2012 20:41

Re: Windows Eight
 
I still have my zx81.....

as for Win 7... just bought Julie a new laptop and as I dont have a Linux disc handy and I'm on 3G t'internet downloading one isn't an option so Win 7 it is for this week...

for goodness me, how long to get a new laptop with the software installed to a point of being useable???? took nearly 2 hours of faffing with updates, anti virus(which is only a demo so i need to get a full version installed luckily as Barclays Online Banking give free Kasperky it will be getting that but gee, what a fuss. ), firewall settings, driver updates, getting firefox installed, etc. sorry but shoving a Ubuntu disk in and I'll have a fully installed system with Full office suite, browsers, email clients, games, etc within 40 mins from power on and that includes installing the thing.

then it comes to useablility, the scroll aspect of the touchpad doesn;t do as I bid( and I use them all the time in XP at work and Linux on my devices so its not "me". I never got on with the Vista/7 new start menu, give me a cascading menu of whats there, I'll organise it myself if it gets ungainly.

suffice to say it will be Linux'd within a day of getting my hands on a disk. now the choice...


Mint - been hearing a lot of good things about this
Ububntu - the staple for many now, Unity is a challange but thats easily fixes with a classic Gnome or KDE install within a few mins.
Gentoo - my fav option but definately a little more geek
SUSE - alwasy seems a little behind the times to me
Red Hat/Fedora - a good option for me as we use Red Hat at work.

Hmmmm, I love a choice... me........

Restless 05-04-2012 23:52

Re: Windows Eight
 
I like Unity. I am finding 12.04 Beta better than the 11.10 version

Restless 06-04-2012 00:03

Re: Windows Eight
 
Entwisi you might find this blog post of mine interesting....

* B U R N * D O W N * T H E * D I S C O *: XDSL-- Linux on XBOX(1)

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2012 06:55

Re: Windows Eight
 
entwisi, it's alright for you.......you have the technical ability to choose and change your operating system.

A lot of people(like me) would not have a clue as where to start such a task.........and worry that once we have changed(that is, if we could do it) the OS might not be to our liking.

Remember most of us have grown up with Windows of one grade or another, and therefore know nothing else.

Of those you mention, I have only heard of Ubuntu and linux( and really this is only because posts by you, and AndrewB, have mentioned them in the past).

maxthecollie 06-04-2012 07:08

Re: Windows Eight
 
Who's talking a foreign language?

jaysay 06-04-2012 07:59

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982858)
entwisi, it's alright for you.......you have the technical ability to choose and change your operating system.

A lot of people(like me) would not have a clue as where to start such a task.........and worry that once we have changed(that is, if we could do it) the OS might not be to our liking.

Remember most of us have grown up with Windows of one grade or another, and therefore know nothing else.

Of those you mention, I have only heard of Ubuntu and linux( and really this is only because posts by you, and AndrewB, have mentioned them in the past).

I always thought that Ubuntu was an African Tribe:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2012 08:04

Re: Windows Eight
 
John, think you are getting confused with the Bantu tribe.

Restless 06-04-2012 08:24

Re: Windows Eight
 
Margaret I am sure it would be easier than working vista. Only problem I have ever had with Linux is on my Dell 1520 laptop. It always seems to get the wrong driver for wireless.

Do you know how to reinstall your Windows systems? Installing from DVD is no different really. It is a very simple process. If you have a pc with two HD's or a Large HDD With 2 partitions you could install Ubuntu and it would create a dual boot for you.

If you are interested I will post a guide

Now whether or not you choose to install A linux system: It depends what kind of PC user you are.
  1. Do you heavily rely on windows programs? (adobe audition, any windowz only video editing software etc etc)
  2. Do you play PC games(ones you buy in shops) everyday?
  3. What do you use your PC for?

Ubuntu has the Libre Office built in. If you have lots of M$ documents they should work. But if you are too far gone into the world of Microsoft office.......

If you ever decide to try a Linux system. It has to be Ubuntu. Its the best one for an introduction.

Margaret. If you have a 2GB USB stick(you would have to back up the files on it). You can try out ubuntu by booting from the USB. No need to worry about losing your system and that way you get to try it out.

Entwisi is kinda right about unity-- cause he is a long time linux user and they don't like it. But ubuntu are they are making life easier for new people to help draw them in.

Switching form windows to Linux is like when you switched from Internet Explorer to Firefox-- Once you 'Get It' You never look back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982858)
entwisi, it's alright for you.......you have the technical ability to choose and change your operating system.

A lot of people(like me) would not have a clue as where to start such a task.........and worry that once we have changed(that is, if we could do it) the OS might not be to our liking.

Remember most of us have grown up with Windows of one grade or another, and therefore know nothing else.

Of those you mention, I have only heard of Ubuntu and linux( and really this is only because posts by you, and AndrewB, have mentioned them in the past).


Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982870)
I always thought that Ubuntu was an African Tribe:rolleyes:

I was told by my personal linux gurus(couple of Canadians from a modding forum ) that The Ubuntu team started off in Africa. Dunno if its true

jaysay 06-04-2012 08:36

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982872)
John, think you are getting confused with the Bantu tribe.

I know Margaret I was taking the you know what:D

Restless 06-04-2012 09:20

Re: Windows Eight
 
My Linux 3D Desktop - YouTube

A video I made long while back. This is an older version of ubuntu. I don't bother trying for all this eye candy now.

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2012 09:33

Re: Windows Eight
 
My main computer is a dsektop....and runs windows 7.....a joy after vista.
My husband bought me a laptop about 3 years ago and it runs Vista.......which I hate with such a passion.
This laptop is only used very infrequently to show himself things that he might be interested in on the internet....and sometimes to access stuff for educational purposes for the children......if he had asked me before he bought it, I would have told him not to bother getting it, as I had seen the beta version of windows 7 and it looked better than vista.
I wasn't desperate for a laptop and could have waited until 7 came out.

As you know I am very cautious about changing systems.......it was bad enough changing from IE to Firefox(It made me sweat)....and yes I know it turned out to be better in the end, but you are never sure until you try it.
Thank you for your offer of guidance, it is much appreciated.

I'm not really a technical dummy, but everything I have learned has been by trial and error(mainly error) I am very reluctant to ever ask for help with anything.....I really feel that you only learn when you have to do something yourself.

Restless 06-04-2012 09:43

Re: Windows Eight
 
Oh other Linux versions than Ubuntu might change your view a little on that one.

I might suggest that you try Ubuntu on your laptop. Make a bootable USB version and try it and see what you think. If you only use laptop for day to day use of internet. Its perfect!

I will have to make a little video. Now that I have my new phone of Ubuntu12.04 running. Its still beta but stable version is released at end of month.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982894)
I am very reluctant to ever ask for help with anything.....I really feel that you only learn when you have to do something yourself.


SamF 07-04-2012 09:51

Re: Windows Eight
 
Installing Ubuntu rather than maintaining a Windows box is a case of 30 minutes now to save hours upon hours in the future.

All software updated automatically, just type in your password and everything is done.

All software is in one place, can be installed with a single click.

No annoying firewall pop-ups.

Significantly greater protection against viruses and some social engineering attacks.

Unity can be frustrating to linux old-boys but the non-techies I've shown it too find it way more intuitive than they ever did gnome.

I've put my "in-laws" on Ubuntu to give them a shiny, working, quicker-than-windows box that I don't have to go over and fix every time they click on something they shouldn't.

The idea of buying a new laptop or paying over £100 to get Windows 7 rather than spending 30 minutes to put Ubuntu on the box first is a decision made by someone who must have plenty of cash to spare.

Oh, and Entwi - if you go for Mint let me know how it gets on - I've tried to put it on three different boxes and I've never been able to get it to install from a flash drive.

jaysay 07-04-2012 10:13

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 983127)
Installing Ubuntu rather than maintaining a Windows box is a case of 30 minutes now to save hours upon hours in the future.

All software updated automatically, just type in your password and everything is done.

All software is in one place, can be installed with a single click.

No annoying firewall pop-ups.

Significantly greater protection against viruses and some social engineering attacks.

Unity can be frustrating to linux old-boys but the non-techies I've shown it too find it way more intuitive than they ever did gnome.

I've put my "in-laws" on Ubuntu to give them a shiny, working, quicker-than-windows box that I don't have to go over and fix every time they click on something they shouldn't.

The idea of buying a new laptop or paying over £100 to get Windows 7 rather than spending 30 minutes to put Ubuntu on the box first is a decision made by someone who must have plenty of cash to spare.

Oh, and Entwi - if you go for Mint let me know how it gets on - I've tried to put it on three different boxes and I've never been able to get it to install from a flash drive.

That's all well and good Sam, from previous posts I've sussed that your quite young (well in comparison to me that is:D)and have grown up computer savvy, I'm to long in the tooth to change really and only know where the on button is on my computer but I don't have that much trouble really, so I'm quite happy to cart on :hesoff:

entwisi 07-04-2012 12:02

Re: Windows Eight
 
Sam, for none techies like your relatives, put the update process into the root crontab so they never even need to know it's happening. choose a time they are likely to be on it.

Restless 07-04-2012 12:32

Re: Windows Eight
 
Sam could be younger. By oldboys he means they aren't "n00bs"
:hehetable

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 983139)
That's all well and good Sam, from previous posts I've sussed that your quite young (well in comparison to me that is:D)and have grown up computer savvy, I'm to long in the tooth to change really and only know where the on button is on my computer but I don't have that much trouble really, so I'm quite happy to cart on :hesoff:


Neil 07-04-2012 12:48

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982894)
My main computer is a dsektop....and runs windows 7.....a joy after vista.
My husband bought me a laptop about 3 years ago and it runs Vista.......which I hate with such a passion.

I never liked Vista myself but what is it about it that you hate so much?

Neil 07-04-2012 12:54

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 983139)
That's all well and good Sam, from previous posts I've sussed that your quite young (well in comparison to me that is:D)and have grown up computer savvy, I'm to long in the tooth to change really and only know where the on button is on my computer but I don't have that much trouble really, so I'm quite happy to cart on :hesoff:

I guess you only ever use your PC the internet so it would be almost the same for you.

Linux is useless for me because it wont run the applications I use.
The whole family use Microsoft Office at work/school and it would be stupid to make them use Office at work/school and some Linux program that tries to be Office at home.

entwisi 07-04-2012 13:08

Re: Windows Eight
 
Do they "really use" Office or do they use a word processor/spreadsheet... How many advanced features do they use that say Libre office doesn't have?

Margaret Pilkington 07-04-2012 13:17

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 983190)
I never liked Vista myself but what is it about it that you hate so much?

It isn't user friendly and I find it difficult to navigate....now that makes me sound a bit like a numpty, but I'm not. It just feels like something that is 'unfinished'.
I can't explain it better than that. I hated it from the moment I switched it on........I never felt like that about any other OS....and I hadn't read bad reviews about it to colour my own opinion.

SamF 07-04-2012 14:08

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 983139)
That's all well and good Sam, from previous posts I've sussed that your quite young (well in comparison to me that is:D)and have grown up computer savvy, I'm to long in the tooth to change really and only know where the on button is on my computer but I don't have that much trouble really, so I'm quite happy to cart on :hesoff:

Never to old to learn, my girlfriend's grandma is a Photoshop genius.

Fair enough if you are not interested enough to want to try it I totally understand that, but what I was trying to say, perhaps not too well having been up since the small hours as I'm on call with work, was that if you were to put the initial effort in to get you're head around a relatively simple install process the amount of maintenance required is almost non-existent in comparison with a Windows machine, meaning a lot less stress and effort in the long run.

Linux has always been the best option for the power users but more and more it's becoming the best choice for someone who doesn't give a damn about what they have on their computer they just want to be able to get on the internet.

Entwisi - good shout on the root crontab idea - I've also been thinking on getting relatives to install some RDP software so I can just remote log onto their machines rather than having to travel back to Lancashire - know of any good solutions ?

jaysay 07-04-2012 14:23

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 983191)
I guess you only ever use your PC the internet so it would be almost the same for you.

Linux is useless for me because it wont run the applications I use.
The whole family use Microsoft Office at work/school and it would be stupid to make them use Office at work/school and some Linux program that tries to be Office at home.

I have Microsoft word Neil but don't bother with the full works now, but I did at one time, but as you say I only ever use my PC for the Internet

jaysay 07-04-2012 14:27

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 983203)
Never to old to learn, my girlfriend's grandma is a Photoshop genius.

Fair enough if you are not interested enough to want to try it I totally understand that, but what I was trying to say, perhaps not too well having been up since the small hours as I'm on call with work, was that if you were to put the initial effort in to get you're head around a relatively simple install process the amount of maintenance required is almost non-existent in comparison with a Windows machine, meaning a lot less stress and effort in the long run.

Linux has always been the best option for the power users but more and more it's becoming the best choice for someone who doesn't give a damn about what they have on their computer they just want to be able to get on the internet.

Entwisi - good shout on the root crontab idea - I've also been thinking on getting relatives to install some RDP software so I can just remote log onto their machines rather than having to travel back to Lancashire - know of any good solutions ?

I must have some of that software on my Laptop Sam as a little indian can remote log onto my machine from India:D

susie123 07-04-2012 14:27

Re: Windows Eight
 
I'm sure someone posted a link on Accyweb in the last few days to a download which enabled you to change the wallpaper on Windows 7 starter.

I've just done it and got my own wallpaper up and I wanted to thank whoever posted the link- but I can't find the post! Thought it might have been you Rob - or was I dreaming?? Might have to have a rethink!

Anyway, if it was someone on Accyweb - thanks!!

susie123 07-04-2012 15:41

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 983206)
I'm sure someone posted a link on Accyweb in the last few days to a download which enabled you to change the wallpaper on Windows 7 starter.

I've just done it and got my own wallpaper up and I wanted to thank whoever posted the link- but I can't find the post! Thought it might have been you Rob - or was I dreaming?? Might have to have a rethink!

Anyway, if it was someone on Accyweb - thanks!!

Panic over... just remembered where I got the link for the download - it was in an Amazon review of my netbook, not on Accyweb at all!

Memo to self - put brain in gear before posting!

mallard 07-04-2012 15:47

Re: Windows Eight
 
Just leave it and till mick will tell you to be safe,

Restless 07-04-2012 17:47

Re: Windows Eight
 
Susie do you mean the bootscreen or the loginscreen?. I have two good tools for that. Here is a video demonstrating my HTPC booting 7 and going straight in to XBMC(I have been trying to hide that it is booting windows) :)

I just need a tool now to get rid of the "windows 7" at the bottom of the screen :D

R-HTPC Booting - YouTube



Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 983195)
It isn't user friendly and I find it difficult to navigate....now that makes me sound a bit like a numpty, but I'm not. It just feels like something that is 'unfinished'.
I can't explain it better than that. I hated it from the moment I switched it on........I never felt like that about any other OS....and I hadn't read bad reviews about it to colour my own opinion.

Yeah, 'unfinished' is a good way of putting it. 7 Is like the finished and polished version of vista.

There was lots of bugs too. For instance-- On Vista my 9600GT Video card fans wouldn't speed up when playing games. I had to use a program called RivaTuner to control the fan manually; otherwise the pc would freeze up.

Anybody that has used both Vista & 7 IMO should come up with the same conclusion.

entwisi 07-04-2012 17:55

Re: Windows Eight
 
Re RDP, I've always used "Tight VNC", easy to setup, works really well. Cross platform as well

susie123 07-04-2012 18:42

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 983248)
Susie do you mean the bootscreen or the loginscreen?. I have two good tools for that. Here is a video demonstrating my HTPC booting 7 and going straight in to XBMC(I have been trying to hide that it is booting windows) :)

I just need a tool now to get rid of the "windows 7" at the bottom of the screen :D

Sorry Rob you've lost me - I've idea what you're on about!

All I wanted to do was put a favourite picture on my desktop as wallpaper and I've done it now. :)

Restless 07-04-2012 18:43

Re: Windows Eight
 
Not the same thing but. Have you tried synergy? that is cross platform too. Pretty cool software. Until I bought a wireless keyboard today I was using it to control my XBMC machine(windows7) with my desktop(ubuntu12.04) It allows you to move your mouse off the screen and onto another computers screen. Then you can use that computers keyboard & mouse with the one you are using.

Are you a gamer too? I have ODAMEX™ - Setting The Standard in Online Multiplayer Doom on my xbox1 you can play cross platform-- Xbox, Linux, Windows and Mac. Prob can be coded to work on other modified machines too.

It it a mod of the old game Doom. There are shareware .wad files so you don't have to worry about it being a pirated game.... Suprisingly not--Not a lot of people are playing it :hehetable

Restless 07-04-2012 18:44

Re: Windows Eight
 
AH wasn't sure what you meant because you do not need software to do that

Watch the video you will see what I meant.

Edit: Just realised what version you're using... In windows starter is the option for personalisation of background disabled or not part of the system at all? I have never used it.

Right click background
Click personalise
Click desktop background
Browse for a pic

Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 983255)
Sorry Rob you've lost me - I've idea what you're on about!

All I wanted to do was put a favourite picture on my desktop as wallpaper and I've done it now. :)


susie123 07-04-2012 18:47

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 983257)
AH wasn't sure what you meant because you do not need software to do that

Watch the video you will see what I meant.

I must be thick cos that video means nothing to me, sorry.

So how do I get the wallpaper on without software?

Restless 07-04-2012 18:59

Re: Windows Eight
 
Nah. I think you are just looking at it wrong

In the video I have turned on the HTPC. I used a program to chage the 'Windows 7 is loading' animation and the Windows 7 login screen. The green xbmc screen is the background on the desktop(it also uses that for the login screen too) Then XBMC is set to load automatically.

Right click background
Click personalise
Click desktop background
Browse for a pic.

Can you access this? I can actually see M$ leaving this option out of a basic windows. Its the kind of stupid thing they would do.
Also you can right click a picture and "set as desktop background" (should be able to)

EDIT: I have just been googling and it seems that It is a case of stupid Microsoft. Any particular reason you are using windows 7 starter?

Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 983258)
I must be thick cos that video means nothing to me, sorry.

So how do I get the wallpaper on without software?


susie123 07-04-2012 19:10

Re: Windows Eight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 983261)
Nah. I think you are just looking at it wrong

In the video I have turned on the HTPC. I used a program to chage the 'Windows 7 is loading' animation and the Windows 7 login screen. The green xbmc screen is the background on the desktop(it also uses that for the login screen too) Then XBMC is set to load automatically.

Right click background
Click personalise
Click desktop background
Browse for a pic.

Can you access this? I can actually see M$ leaving this option out of a basic windows. Its the kind of stupid thing they would do.

Also you can right click a picture and "set as desktop background" (should be able to)

Yes, I did say in post 89 I had Windows 7 starter, pre loaded on my netbook. They have disabled any wallpaper functions. The link I mentioned downloaded software that added the personalise option when you right click the desktop. I am just about bright enough to set a wallpaper if I'm given the option to do so!

Think your cat must be brighter than me cos I have no idea what HTPC and XBMC mean!

Apologies, must stop thread wandering, this is supposed to be about Windows Eight not 7.

Margaret Pilkington 07-04-2012 19:13

Re: Windows Eight
 
I think XBMC stands for Xbox media centre....HTPC = Home theatre PC maybe......I'm sure I will be corrected if I have got these wrong.


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