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Oh! T you disappoint me.Its a fact that England have never ever won their opening game in an E.M. at all.All we have to do now is beat the Swiss and the Croations and we are through.After watching their game i see no problem.Gerrard should have kicked that ball so far out of the stadium that it was found on the Spanish Border!

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Mik, how many times have we got beyond the group stage? Once....we should be ashamed of ourselves.

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T if you were taking all this crap as i have to take it today you would be hoping as well.Come on the Dutch or any team that is up against the Germans.3-1 against the Swiss( my bosses nationality) and then 2-0 against the Croatians.6 points and through to the next round Dead easy on paper

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Just a shame then, that Beckham can't read.

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must be able too T. i just sent him a text LOL!

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So you've been in bed with him as well?

Here's the results for the rest of our group:

Croatia 2 France 1
England 3 Switzerland 1
Croatia 1 England 0
France 5 Switzerland 1

Oh.....Holland 2 Germany 0

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Ok even if it turns out like that T, just so long as the Germans do not qualify.Could we not make it Holland 3-0.
Or even better:-
Accy Stanley 5 - Germany 1

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It's a nice thought....you would have to be ref, mind.

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:rose8: I try to be up beat then along comes England and does what it does in every competion its ever entered, screws it up, I think its time we made it compulsory that all football players have to be at least above the Remedial level at school before they are allowed to kick a ball in anger

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Thats the Golden Rule with English footy, Bas...and it has been since 1970. Unfortunatly there are'nt many people who can seperate the hype from the reality, the hype being we have the talent & leadership to win this tournament, the reality being that we're underskilled and poorly led and we don't stand a cat in hells chance. However, there is the wider issue as to how it's got to this and what we're going to do about it which involves ditching the self-delusion and starting some serious introspection.

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Yet again, in their own inimitable fashion, England snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.