Same Old Club
 

Tags as “Back after 44 years” or “The club that wouldn’t die” would make much more sense if the club (see fishy site) didn’t insist that the old club did die, claiming that Accrington Stanley was formed in 1968. To me this is just silly. Surely Bill Parkinson, Jack Barrett et al who reformed the club in 1968, did just that, reform it. They didn’t pick the same name, the same colours and the same badge to distance themselves from the old League side, did they?

It’s not a legal issue. If the fans see it as the same club, then it is. It’s really that simple. And you do, don’t you?<O:p

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Nope......... but then again i wasnt around when the old club was.......no really i wasnt :)

Its a different club.. but then again its the same club.. same name.. same town.. same folk.... the rest of football sees it as a different club and comes down hard on you for sugegsting it is same... so I would go with no... I may very well be in the minority......again :)

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I've always been in the "it's the same club" camp. Much like a man who wakes up after a coma and can't remember anything. It's still the same person, but he has to start over again. Strange comparison I know but it's important we don't just brush off the Old Stanley, saying their nowt to do with us. After all, it's partly due to their folding that the press love us so much. League return, club that woudn't die etc.

PS: Nice site Greger:)

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same old club please

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Same club, ask Jack Barrett

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Same club, lots of clubs have had to reform-Bradford PA,Newport County,Aldershot to name a few.I Feel certain their fans see it as same club as well.

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Definitely the same club, I'm still wearing the same scarf .....

:rose8: Play Up Stanley, Stanley Play Up :rose8:

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I remember when the discussions were on about a return to football in Accy and the main thing was we couldn't let Accrington Stanley die, so if we are a different club then Accrington Stanley died and we should be Accrington United or similar, we arn't so same club.

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Same heart, same soul, same spirit, same club. Keep the faith!

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If there was an exhibition about the club - should it start in 1968 or should it start a long time ago? Equally, if there was a book about the club wouldn't you want to know about the times before 1968 as well? Therefore, same club!

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There’s only ever been one “Accrington Stanley Football Club” and it’s still here today graced with its dignity, pride and history.

Gayle for me you must begin the story of Accrington Stanley FC where every story starts, at the beginning. :)

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Of course it,s the same club, for those of us that were there in the 50s, 60s, and 70s and are still there today it,s history. It,s like a family, this is just the new generation. And a fine bunch they are too.

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Kipax's role - to be the exception that proves the rule ...... :)

:rose8: Play Up Stanley - Stanley Play Up :rose8:

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Oh dear.. did I have an opinion.. well excuse me...

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The board seems to disagree, but it wasn’t always so. John Alty, the then chairman told me in 1989 or 90 that the only reason the club didn’t adopt the old records was that they didn’t have the statistics.
<O:p
Incidentally, I have now obtained the full Football League registration records (save for one season). If you want proof that dad’s cousin did play for the club, send me an e-mail, and I’ll check him out.

www.accringtonstanley.has.it<O:p</O:p

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I get loads of queries (as webmaster fishy site) re the old stanley and always direct them to your site.. is there a more direct email to send em to? PM if ya like :)

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i don't think the board or anyone else at the club disagrees greger, i suppose officially the club as it is was formed (reformed) in 1968 but as far as we're concerned we are in effect the same town team club that played in the football league pre 1962, and also the town team club that were founder members of the football league in 1888, albeit under a slightly different name. accrington has a great footballing history and hopefully we can carry on adding to it as the years go on!




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But that's where I get confused. If we all (except Kipax perhaps) agree that it's the same club, why insist on an official (re)formation date in 1968? The club's been reformed before, e.g. in 1919, but nobody ever made much of that date. This may be more important to stats and history buffs like me, but it's difficult to know what to say to reporters etc. Have Stanley played Chester before?

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Not last season but the season before that

03/04 season 3-3 at their place and 0-2 at our place :D

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i think some of it is down to personal opinion, if we openly state we are over 100 years old then we get the sticklers contacting us explaining that we're not, but certainly as far as i'm concerned we are one and the same with a few breaks and name changes in between...

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it says it all in the word doesnt it...RE-formed....that means the club of old has formed again doesnt it? if it was a new club then the club would have been formed wouldnt it?

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We started with Accrington F.C.
Then Accrington Stanley
Then Accrington Stanley (1921) Limited
Back to Accrington F.C.
Now Accrington Stanley again.

It's still the team representing Accrington - founder members of the Football League - it's just the name that's changed a few times.

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To all intents and purposes its the same club. To just about everyone in accy its the same club and especially to people who where around with the old club...

But legally I doubt its the same club... If legally it isn't the same club then the people of accy can call it the same but official bodies must refer to it as a new club..

Someone should go find the legal side of it and thats your answer.

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I follow this mostly, but can someone explain when we changed back to Accrington FC for the 2nd time?

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In December 1963, when Accrington Stanley (1921) was finally wound up, after the taxman filed a petition for bankruptcy. The club then carried on playing in the Lancs Combination at Peel Park under the name Accrington FC until they disbanded in January 1966. When the new Stanley formed, they had to adopt the title Accrington Stanley (1968) intially, so they would not be liable for the old Stanley's debts.

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That says different club to me.. Legally.

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Different club legally, same club in spirit.

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What about Bristol City FC (1982) or Charlton Athletic (1984) Limited. Legally then these are different clubs than before 1982 and 1984 respectively, but their history goes back to 1894 in the case of Bristol City, when they were called Bristol South End, and 1905 in the case of Charlton Athletic. Legally they are different companies, but I would still call them the same football clubs.

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Exactly what I was trying to say:)

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I don’t think this has anything at all to do with the law, but I’ll give you a lawyer's view just the same.

A Football Club is not a legal entity, it’s a concept indicating a common purpose among the interested, and the Football Club can be run by any kind of legal entity, and as Jeff points out, the identity of that legal entity can change without change to the Football Club’s identity. A club is a legal entity, and of course so is a limited company. We know the Football Clubs as such, because most clubs were clubs to start with, but no professional football clubs are run by clubs anymore. Nottm Forest </ST1:pwere the last to form themselves into a limited company, I believe, in 1982.
Accrington Stanley were run by or as, a club 1891-<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com[IMG] /><st1:PlaceName w:st=[/IMG]Nottingham</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st=" /><st1:metricconverter w:st="on" ProductID="1907, a">1907, a</st1:metricconverter> limited company 1907-<st1:metricconverter w:st="on" ProductID="1917, a">1917, a</st1:metricconverter> club again 1919-1921, then a limited company from autumn 1921 to Jan 1964, then again as a club until Jan 1966, and a limited company from 1968.
<O:pIt’s just as Jeff says: different companies, but the same football club.:rolleyes: <O:p

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Different companies, same club sounds good to me .... good luck to the present company, but the club's the thing with the heart.

"The company that wouldn't die" lacks a certain something, doesn't it ?

:rose8: Play Up Stanley, Stanley Play Up :rose8: