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Bring him back, the atmosphere at the games is suffering due to the ban.
The club has bent over backwards for the moaning residents either let people park or bring back the drummer. Give and take situation, and to be honest it is a bit of a p**s take banning the drum.

:engsmil: :engsmil: :engsmil: :engsmil:

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the ultras make a great atmosphere aswell! also the singing stanley fans but the drum is a great add on and should come back!

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People buy a house next to a football stadium and then complain about the noise... aren't you supposed to set these sort of things free into the wild where they belong ?

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A drum would have made a difference last night to the atmosphere. Certain people where doing their best to get our fans singing but the problem is if someone does not want to they won't sing but I wish the non singers would shut up whinging.

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You should ask the away grounds before you go.

We had one banned at our home ground till we got it unbanned, but at away games we got it in still.

We have one at home and away games, you would have got it in last night.

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the ban should be enforced on evening games but not on satrday afternoons as fair enough at 10pm at night thats the last thing you want after coming home from work but on a saturday afternoon they can ****** off and we should have the drum back

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no ban!!!! whatsoever

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So only the minority can comment?

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Sound Comment..............:)

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second that JT....

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Not at all TM but getting behind our team is something I believe in and for certain fans to whinge about the noise to me is unbelieveable.:mad:

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People were simply complaining about the monotonous banging of a tuneless drum. Anyway, it's a mute point now, as the drum is banned. End of story.
People support their team in the way they see fit. Not everyone wants to be the centre of attention, just as not everyone wants to 'sing'.
Persoanlly I pay my money to be entertained. I don't expect to have to make my own entertainment. ;)

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Drum would be good if it was played properly. Just whacking it as loud as you can for the whole game is a killer... not good at all... Sorry Matt and Frank.. no offence meant :)

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Nobodys asking you to make your entertainment, other people do that.:p

You can just sit in the main stand and make the numbers up...maybe clap once every 3 years, but only for 3-4 seconds because anything more than that and your begining to push your look :D

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In your opinion. Others may disagree.

I've been making the numbers up for the past 28 years and its a good job people like me have done, or perhaps there wouldn't be a club there now for you to support?
I've never sat in the stand, even though I helped to build it all those years ago, when we dug the foundations for the extension with spades. I don't stand in silence during a game, but I don't feel the need to sing and continually make a show of myself.

You support the club in your way and I'll do it in mine. But never even begin to imagine that one way is superior to another.

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Oh dear in the last line you say that no one is superior but reading your first line it looks to me that you already think you are on a higher level of supporting. Come on adnit it you don't like the new breed of supporters and wish we where back in the conference. I think you where on the FE coach at Stockport, a trip where I sat with some fans who have been going for years while I've only had a season ticket for two years. Maybe you should have sat with us and joined in in your OWN WAY.:)

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definately agree with that one kipax, used in context its great for drumming (no pun intended lol) up atmosphere and works a treat.......................whereas inane constant banging is just plain annoying.

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You really are an obnoxious character aren't you? Not only have you made a series of false accusations on here (claiming false recordings of gates, etc), but you are way off the mark once again. I suggest you think very carefully before posting your drivel once again.

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I knew that... I wasnt there but I knew it was you TM and I pretty much know who else was there.

First time I went on stanley there was half a stand and I stood on the terrace thats now the other half.... i think it (the terrace half) had a roof... pretty sure it did.. but not 100%

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What on earth are you talking about.. this has nothing to do with ultras/osc .. please dont take it down that rd , not even a hint of it :(

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I dont agree with anything else said about you TM .. I think your right to take offence.. theres more people like you who dont sing and would prefer to concentrate on the game.. and you have probbaly done more for the club (I dont just mean turning up to watch) than 70% of the ultras put together...

But I think he is right with this bit... your not the most welcoming to new supporters... you where one of the ones that gave me a hard time .. If everyone was as welcoming as you then most of us wouldnt be here... people like Jimbo T hornblower, JEFF, loweiy and the like who welcome and encourage us are the ones that keep the club alive... people who discourage new supporters could kill the club if they ever became the majority...

Lets all do our own thing and not try to force our way on others :)

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Fair enough Kipax. However, our banter was nothing more than a wind-up to me anyway. You're always saying that you don't take the messageboard seriously and that it's not like real life. I agree with that and whenever we've had dealings face-to-face, we've always got on ok.

I would love to see more new supporters on the Stanley. Nothing (much) gives me a bigger thrill than being on the ground with a big crowd and I'd love to have a big bank of supporters chanting on matchday, as they did at Stockport on Friday night. I'll chat with anyone on the ground, whether they've been coming 5 minutes or 40 years and i give them the respect they deserve.

However, I draw the line when people start measuring a fan's commitment to the club and their level of support by how loud they shout, or by the prominence of their position on the ground, in the media, etc. We all support our team in our own way. Just because people aren't shouting/singing constantly doesn't make them any less commited to the cause.

I admit that some of my postings on here may have been interpreted as negative towards new fans, but the majority of those postings were very much tongue in cheek. Similar to your position, I don't take the messageboard that seriously, and I'll chat with anyone on the ground, be they a new supporter or an established face. :)

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Absoloiutly 100% agree and I doubt anyone is brain dead enough to argue your point... lets all do it our way.. each to his own..:)

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It doesn't matter how anyone supports ASFC just as long as we do! But as an committed "singer" I'd like the rest of the ground to at least appear "passionate". At some grounds if their winger skins the full back the main stand will clap, encourage, cheer, raise a fist. I've seen Toddy skin the full back recently & you get nothing from our mainstand. This I'm sure is what Coley criticises about the people over his shoulder.:)

Also at County, fans who usually sing sat on their arses because we were on an open terrace "up against" that huge stand in front of us. So? I'm all for fans who don't wanna sing not singing, no problem. We should have bounced around that away end in our own special way as normal. I'd love it if some fans would lose their inhibitions & let their hair down but hey thats only my opinion.:)

I also noticed at County that a few fans wouldn't join in the encouragement but would stand to scream "Roberts you w inker pass it etc etc". Its only my opnion but thats what we don't need 4 games into a new league.:mad:

Whether singing or talking lets keep attending- hundreds didn't on Friday. Listen we had more at Halifax, more at Southport, more at Morecambe. I just don't get whats goin on this season. Very strange.:confused:

BTW TM, we gonna keep plugging away with the press coverage. Hopefully the more we do or try to do the more people may just get "interested". Genuinely, nobody is after any personal gain. If I thought ASFC fans were thinking that I'd just sit in the main stand & wait to be entertained:)

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We've been telling Matt that for ages & he's slowly getting the message, remember he's just a young lad:)

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I agree Jase, even just a clap and a bit of encouragement from the main stand can make a difference if our winger skins their fullbacks, at the moment we don't have that but i'd also like to see it happen..

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well cammys in there this monday so maybe he can start something!! :)

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To contradict everything... I do recall shotgun walking up and down in front of the main stand banging a (smaller less deafening) drum and the whole main stand joined in. So thats one up for a drum used correctly and the main stand :)

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Totally agree Jase, Im not asking anyone to sit in the main stand and start to sing and shout and bounce around, but a clap every now and then wouldnt go a miss would it?

Everybody knows when the fans sing, clap, (make a noise) the players get a lift, and we want FES a a place where away teams think "oh no not stanley again"

Just a clap Main Stand, A clap :D

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It did have a roof, it's not been put aside for a rainy day, has it? :D

I think that's where the moaning mentality was incubated, shouting at Russell was their favourite pastime, can't actually abide the stand side, but each to his own.

Personally, at games, I seem to go catatonic, but am actually using a Zen technique to channel my energy. People might have noticed Leam and Toddy have better halves when on the Whinney Hill side, it was no coincidence Leam was sent off on the stand side last season, (transmitting inner calm is a side effect). Again, each to his own.

The official line from the FA on attendances is that no analysis is worthwhile till well into October, or as Jack Barratt put it, "there's no panic, it's still Accy holidays."

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There's a few comments on here about people in the main stand and I agree that there should be more noise coming from there but don't tar us all with the same brush. Me and my family always sit in the stand and regularly go home with sore throats from shouting, I've also been known to sing in there although I admit I have had a few funny looks from those around in the past :) As for not being as many at away games, I would have loved to have been at Stockport on Friday but simply could not afford to go there and be at the Notts Forrest game on Monday, had to choose one or the other and the cup game won.

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Yes bring back the drum, certainly the atmosphere is not the same without it. At Stockport they had a drum and plenty of noise. Its no coincidence that there is still no bar at the clayton end and this has an effect on the lack of noise/singing.

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I've only been watching Stanley for a few years now and only get to about 10 games in the season, mainly away, as I live in Somerset. I've always enjoyed the atmosphere at every game and always get goose bumps as the team comes out.
I know the Fraser Eagle Stadium isn't the best looking ground around, but again I love going and always end up meeting and chatting to new people. It really is a friendly club!!
The Drum, I love it! Although can understand how it could annoy people. I've been close to it at a few games and ended up with ringing in my ears.
Everyone has their own way of supporting the team, nothings going to change that. We're all there to support the team and hopefully see them win. On that we're all together!!

ps. Managed to persuade my wife it was a good idea to drive up to Stockport on Friday. Longest journey ever, do'nt think we went faster than 40mph all the way. But well worth it just to see that goal.

Hope to see a few of you at the next game, I need to start learning some of the songs!! Any chance of some words, there were some posted last season, but I can't find them.

Take Care
Worzel:)

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Out of order, PM sent as I refuse to get into a slanging match.:)

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Party pooper :(



:)

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Here you go Worzel this site was posted an age ago. Some of the songs are now woefully out of date ( Rory...? ) but still it gives some of the classics

http://www.footballchants.org/viewCh...ams=116&let=-2

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Nice One!

Thanks No.9 :)

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Couldn't really understand what your point is and I think putting things into perspective would be a good thing, but we'll leave it at that as I really can't be bothered.

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ght=song+sheet



hope this helps Worzel

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Excellent!

Thanks Macca, I'll be joining in the next time I'm there!

Take Care
Worzel

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That is the point I did put things into perspective but I'm sorry I did not give you any details.

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Did we need the drum today, no atmosphere very quiet. The crowd only came to life when the crowd figure was announced (3045 my ar*e) and when we scored twice (bad liner).

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Me too - couldn't believe the gate figure announced as it looked nearer 2000 than 3000. Maybe they are trying to head Coley off from another blast about poor numbers from Accy, as Rochdale certainly did their bit

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definatly more people on today, terrace felt alot more busy as well there was plenty of away fans :)

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I suppose you think the crowd number announced was correct?:mad:

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Absolutely. Why should I doubt it? I've actually checked and the turnstiles are all wired up electronically, as has already been explained to you.

I suppose you're going to start your spurious allegations again? :rolleyes:

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To be honest, I thought the attendance was very similar to the one we had against Halifax last Christmas. I've just checked and it was 3014, so I was pretty much correct. :D

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Just checked and there was a few mumblings about the crowd number given that day also. ;)

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You had a lot to say that day too then? ;)

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I wish everyone would stop slagging off people who sit in the stands, i for one have a seat and believe me, we make as much noise as anyone. We applaud, shout, yell, but most of all we pay our money like the rest of you, and enjoy ourselves in our own way !

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just been on the phone to mick (safety officer) and he has confirmed the gate number was 100% correct the gates are monitered both electronically which shows percentages and numbers live in each part of the ground, as well as the electronics they are backed up mechanically, which confrims the numbers so the gate which is announced is exact!

So stop talking bollocks and trying to create rumours which could find the club in trouble!

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Correct you pay your money - Incorrect you don't make as much noise as anyone - Correct you enjoy yourselves in your own way. 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

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I am entitled to my opinion, one that was shared by a few others that I thought there was more on the ground today than 3045.

Lets go back a few games to say the Blackburn friendly where we had more turnstiles open, turnstiles that according to one operator where not turned on, I did notice that the same turnstiles where not in use today even though the queues needed them open, I do not talk bollocks IMHO:D

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wat are you trying to say???

both turnstyles where open on the clayton end, are you claiming one of which might not of been switched on? in that case the mechanical monitoring would have shown that.

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Have noticed that some games there look like is more on than what is said over the tannoy and some that are less. But are all the ' freebies ' counted, the folk that dont come through the turnstiles ?. I.E friends of friends of friends etc. Wouldn't like to bet on it, but i reckon at least 60 people come on week after week without paying, and i dont mean players wives / family or the sponsers, so at least 60 dont get counted.

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How many turnstiles have we at the Clayton End?

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You volunteering?

There was only two open because there were only two gatesman available to operate them...I know, I was on the Adults turnstile, and I took the grief from the disgruntled fans who turned up 10 minutes before kick-off and were shocked that there was a queue.

If theres not enough people to operate the turnstiles, they don't get opened. Theres no hidden agenda.

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We have 4, the 2 which were opened today, and further on theres another 2, which were closed today.

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Thank you Diesel, now where the two further on open for the Blackburn game for instance?

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earlier on only two gates where open, then when the queues started they opened the other two therefore all 4 where open when they queue developed

also if i remeber rightly all 4 where open for rovers game as well....still dont see your point your trying to make?

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Not too sure to be honest, apparently they got opened around kick-off today though

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Meanwhile, Redraine thought that the gate looked "nearer 2000 than 3000"! Which just goes to show what an imprecise science "gate guessing" is!

Personally, I believe the club's figure.

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If we have the Eric quotient to take into account then this is a good thing as money is being spirited away for a rainy day.

If it was possible to fiddle the gate then so what

Personally I don't care, but I hope we never find out one way or the other as it is fun trying to guess what the official crowd will be given at when one can see the ground is full to bursting.

I have always viewed the crowd from the point of view that if there was only 3000 on today, where would the other 2000 people have gone exactly should they have turned up at the ground?

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In future I will try to look at it from this point of view, I haven't got a clue where another 2000 fans would have fit but that's not my job.
More supporters came that was obvious but they noise level was down, we want the drum back.

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plenty of room on terrace still, , i could easily make my way around the terrace today so therefore the 2000 would have fitted in. As well as the cow shed which wasent as full as we have seen it plus there was room on away terrace as well with only 900 on there :)

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plus the gate opened for people with the right change........

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Dont even go there :D

You try putting up with 'dale fans moaning about you not having change for an hour +.

Moaning Friggers !

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I heard this happened last season for the York game where the men in black collected the gate money in their pockets, which game are you talking about?

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[quote=Wynonie Harris]Meanwhile, Redraine thought that the gate looked "nearer 2000 than 3000"!

Ah yes................... but I only counted at kick-off :D time!

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Totally out of order Bagpuss....yes the Security Lads did infact take cash on the gate, however this was handed in along with all the other gate receipts.For you to suggest otherwise is tantamount to a criminal accusation.

Please feel free to approach me at the next home game......Im easy to find coz of the yellow jacket that says Chief Steward on the back, and I would be more than happy to point you in the direction of the head of the Security team at the next home game so that you could put your 'accusation' to Him personaly.

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Pete lets not get carried away mate, at the time it appeared that something like that had happened & you know how rumours spread....

:) :) :) BTW I need to order some of that material that the Boco flag was made from, do I need to PM Sparkie?

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Eeeerm a little OTT .... bagpuss simply stated that the security took money at the gate which most of us know they did... he hasnt accused anyone of stealing... although that could be read into it the way he said pockets :)

I know they where told to do that and I know why and I know the people entering by that method where being counted independantly (as a matter of course) so cash and numbers had to tally.. But not everyone knows that so you have to take into comnsiderration that if someone sees soemehting that looks dodgy (and it did) then they have the right to express an opinion on it.... without the vieled threats from a chief steward..

You weere not threatening him ? Well he wasn't calling anyone a thief..... easy to read between the lines :)

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Without getting into a slanging match with you Tony, I am afraid that the comments made by Bagpuss do read like an accusation and as such I stand by the general gist of my post.

I appreciate that I could have worded my post a little better in order for it not to read like a threat, so if thats how others see it, then I appologise.

Perhaps Bagpuss would like to take this oppotunity to explain what he/she meant by their comments?

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His looks like an accusation and yours looks like a threat... but somehow your in the right and he is in the wrong.. He is a fan who saw somehting hundreds of others saw and it looked dodgy... Your a chief steward for the club and have all but threatened someone on here.

You need to take a step back mate..


As for slanging match? errm we are mates.. this is a messageboard and where having a debate.... no slanging here unless your going to do it.. cus I aint :)

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Group Hug :)

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How much more of a 'step back' would you like me to take?

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Well you could stop writing in big red letters... its not playschool :)

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LOL :) :) :p

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I happen to like red!!...............So tough!

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Not for the first time I posted without thinking my post could be interpreted in another way, my apologies. What I was getting at was I wondered if the gate figure given for the York game was correct because I could see no way of a correct count when people where being let in through the gate and not the turnstiles. Kipax mentioned in an earlier post that a count was done fair enough but from an outsiders point of view it did look a bit suspect. I was in no way making an accusation that anyone was pocketing any gate money.
I think I better wear a disguise for the next home game, Jase can I borrow your new wig?:)

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if I remember rightly quite a few people at the time thought the bouncers may have pocketed money, myself included. We hadn't long had them at the ground and then they were seen to be pocketing brass from an open gate.

Only a few days later we were informed by Mick Schultz that the gate was opened with his permission and had been monitored. End of accusation no problems from me or anybody else.

I thought at the time that the club had for years left themselves open to spurious accusation because we have always doubted the official gate given. We now have electrickery devices in place to monitor the turnstiles so there is no longer a problem there from me.

All is happy in the stanley wonderland again. Except fer t'roof

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Thanks for that Bagpuss............hugs all round!! :p

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But these electrickery devices only work when people come through the turnstiles. I thought that with all these new Football League rules and police safety measures everybody had to come through a turnstile so that the crowd was monitored in the police controll room. I don't think that we will go to another Football League ground where a gate is opened for people with the right money. We must be seen to be professional in everything we do.

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Forgive me Jeff, but I think you may have misunderstood, NO gate was open for taking the right monies only, however a turnstile was.......so the electrickery devices were working.

The only time (to my knowledge) that a GATE was opened was at the York game last season, before the new turnstile system was in place.

Hope this helps mate.:)

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I've got to have one more say on this subject because it's bugging me. Are you 100% certain that the turnstile counters where working for the Blackburn game and for Saturdays game v Rochdale on the 2nd set of turnstiles at the Clayton End, the ones furthest from the clubhouse? :eek:

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methinks bagpuss has an ace up his sleeve ? :)

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not that im 100% but the way mick shultz talked to me other night i thought that even if the electronical turnstyle counters arent working, then the manual one are there to back it up. :rolleyes:

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To the very best of my knowledge yes, however JT's post is also correct, should the electrikery thing fail, then a manual counter/click is used.......ie each time someone enters the turnstile is counts via a mechanical device.

I cant state my life on it, but am 99.9% sure this is the case.

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Mick did confirm that there is a mechanical device fitted so surely its problem solved....bagpuss?????

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It's like poker this thread, who's bluffing and who's holding the aces.

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Like i said im only going off what the safetry officer mick said to me so therefore i would presume that is true...i think that this thread is more like you creating rumours but then not giving any information for anyone to investigate your claims...except what happened last year

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I've decided to fold, new game, whos deal is it?

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New deal - It's well known by now my views on the attendence figures given, is there a scam, who knows?

I've noticed lots of postings about the poor service being given by the clubshop it's not good enough, what I want to know is whenever I have bought something in the shop including the extra cash I had to pay for my season ticket because somebody had not done their job correctly, I have never had a reciept even though I ask for one. I'm told it will be sent by e-mail or posted to me, utter bullsh*t is this a possible scam, who knows.

Don't bother giving me any crap about how hard they are working because I'm not having it, it's just a poor service that needs something doing about it now.

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To the person m/f who left this message in my karma don't be shy your comment was relevent - "but why not actually complain to the club ask to speak to karen she will sort it for you"
I have complained and she did not sort it out that's why I having a moan on here just like everyone else who is not happy with the clubshop.