Andy mangan?
 

what does everybody think of him?

he impressed last game, but do you think he is ready to start games now??

Re: Andy mangan?
 

If you want to suggest a player starts games you ahve to also suggest who he replaces... :) I would like to see him start but I can't think of anyone (in his position) that I would leave out. So no to answer the question

Re: Andy mangan?
 

still think coley uses him very well, when these six foot plus have gorrila half human weve seen all season in the back four start tiring in the 70/80 mins coley brings him on and this almost every game forces the oppo manger to make a change to deal with him :)

start him and i think he no where near as effective

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Theres a few things you can guarantee every game with and mangan

he will run his heart out
he will tackle
he will chase lost causes
he will always be smiling
he desperatly wants to play for stanley
he gives everyhting he has got

and..also..every single game he will argue wiht the ref... he gets booked and sent off even coming on late.. how long would he last from start with the ref?

Re: Andy mangan?
 

id drop craney play boco in midfield and have mangan and mullin upfront?

Re: Andy mangan?
 

I always liked the mullin and james partnership.. he was small.. everytime mullin headed the ball on it went to james... he just knew where he would be, they just knew each others game... if they could get that going then yes it would be a winner.. but mullin shouldnt be the furthust forward.. he should do what he does best.. he should be the target man who holds then distributes or flicks on as mentioned with james partnership..

Re: Andy mangan?
 

i personally think craney is completely overated. he has done nothing in this league and has been outplayed by every other centre mid we have faced so far. boco drops off and plays deep so i think it would make sense for him to fit into midfield where he would have a greater influence and play mangan upfront.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

I don't like seeing boco deep either but he holds the line when needed. thats the downside to being able to do a good job almost anywhere.. he ends up in posiitons the fans dont want to see him.. I think most want to see him midfield then running at defenders.

Everyone has a downer on craney at the moment and i cant see a good word for him anywhere.. is that because he hasnt scored a wonder goal yet? watch the rest of his play and give him a couple more games..:)

Re: Andy mangan?
 

You must remember, Ian Craney and Gary Roberts have been our most talked about players last season and in the close season. Opposition managers know all about them so they adjust their tactics accordingly, close them down with two or three players as soon as they get the ball and generally stop them playing. Ian Craney did not have a good season in his first with Stanley but when he got used to the league he was the non-league player of the season. Give him chance to adjust to this higher level of football and then make your judgement, after all we have only played five games.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

i honestly dont think craney has done anything in any game yet. he is constantly losing the ball, i havent seen him go into a 50/50 never mind winning one, he seems to constantly get pushed off the ball and or fall over. he looks lost. he has been severly dominated by every other centre mid we have played.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Craney was one of our greatest players last season, I think the grief he's getting this season is a little uncalled for...Same with gary Roberts. We have a small contigent of fans stood on the Clayton End calling them al sorts after every dodgy pass and tackle, I really don't think thats helping anybody. Remember the Burnley match? How awesome was Roberts? Thats what we know he can do. How awesome was Craney all of last season, thats hat we know he can do. Give the players a little time to adjust to league, and watch'em fly.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Agree With Kipax and Jeff...

I can remember alot of 50/50 balls he has gone in for. neither do i think he gets pushed off the ball too easy,

as Jeff says many managers put 2 or 3 players on Gary thats why sometimes hes not as effective as he was when he came because hardly anybody knew much about him.

Just Give em a few games and then judge em, it seems alot of people just say they are crap after a few games, everybody is learning not just the players, so instead of just shouting "your f*ucking **** Roberts" how about... "Your better that that Roberts" :) give em abit of encouragement

Re: Andy mangan?
 

For me Craney has looked out of his depth in the league, however has shown in patches what he can do to influence a game, for example against Forest - he had the opposition midfielders lost.
I can see where Kimberley-Clark is coming from, because in the league games where Craney has not been at his best (eg against Dale), it has been him who stays on the field and Harris who gets subbed, which for me is a wrong decision. However on the flip-side of that we all know Craney runs on momentum - so if he gets subbed in a game that could be him done for a few months which isn't what we need at all.
I hope Craney finds his feet in this league soon enough (as Gary Roberts has now done) because as we all know when he is at his best he can boss any opposition midfield & change a whole game around.
It's a big step for everyone at the club, not least for the players. I think we're all just going to have to show a little patience with the lads.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

i agree its only early doors but i just feel craney isnt pulling his weight at the moment. as for gary yes he a good player but at times he thinks he on a nike advert and tries to be a fancy dan when he could just pass. and he is annonymous in the tackel situation i have never seen anybody so scared to tackle. i think he would actually back out off a 99/1 ball in his favour. ventre and edwards, now theres too lads that can tackle. give them a run i think

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Did you not see Sean Doherty against Rochdale he FROZE in a 99/1 ball in his favour.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

if somebody backs out of a 50/50 they should be subbed, never mind a 99/1

Re: Andy mangan?
 

To be fair to Sean, just coming back from an injury hes not gonna be wanting to go into tackles is he as he might not be too confident.

So if you was a Manager and one of your best players doesnt go into a 50/50 in the first minute, you would sub him???

In that case shame you can only have 3 substitues :D

Re: Andy mangan?
 

yes he should be subbed. its unacceptable for a proffessional player to back out of a 50/50 in my mind. it pains me to see a player back out of one.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

i think he will be playing from the start against lincoln lets see how he copes . i think coley will play him as a lone striker just dropping off paul mullin with midield pushing up:) defence playing offside trap and defending deep congesting the midfield :)

Re: Andy mangan?
 

I personally wouldnt start with Mango, i would have Brown playing that role

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Ian Craney won the penalty against Dale:) :)

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Don't confuse things with facts!

Craney - Conference player of the year, it's probably one of the few things most league 2 managers know about Stanley.

A marked man, we should have all voted for Aaron MacLean.

(We didn't get a vote did we?):D

Re: Andy mangan?
 

if brown played though, you would have two very slow players playing upfront we need a bit of pace.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Brown ? I dont belive that he is the slowest player, and can certainly tuck away his chances

We bring on Mangan later, mainly because of his temprement, and that his pace that late on scares defenders and he capitilizes on mistakes

Re: Andy mangan?
 

what would you think of a brown mangan partnership then??

Re: Andy mangan?
 

You cannot leave Mullin out of the side - its virtually unheard of ...

You play Mullin as a foward, and Browner as your out and out striker, pressurising defenders all the time and looking to latch on to defenders

Re: Andy mangan?
 

why cant you leave mullin out though??

being honest do you believe he is actually that affective?

Re: Andy mangan?
 

are you kidding? You must be a new fan because if you have seen Mullin play last two seasons that thought would not have crossed your mind :)

Re: Andy mangan?
 

no ive only watched pre season and this season and in my opinion, mullin seems slow and not really that effective. ive heard hes a target man, but i hardly see him win a header. this is my opinion by the way before everyone jumps all over me.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Totally agree Zayno, leaving Mullin out of the team is out of the question

Re: Andy mangan?
 

why is it out of the question though?

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Because he is a key player, very important up-front, and he is vital to the team

He keeps everything flowing up-front, and you know as well as i do, Mullin will not be left out of a side for no reason but injury, 110% everytime he takes to the field

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Don't attack the bloke 'cause he says what he sees for christs sake!

Mullin has not been at his best this season, but he is having to adapt his game the most out of the whole squad. His way of winning the ball is attacked much more quickly in this league than in the Conference; so his performance is bound to come under scrutiny. However Mullin has always been one of those players which you have to watch for the whole 90 minutes to see the extent of his game. He's a striker, winger, & defender all in one player. Not bad for an old fella!
As with Craney, once he finds his feet properly in the league he'll be up amongst the best in League 2.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

i accept the point about mullin an he has just came back form a double hernia, so its understandable. but if im being totally honest i dont think craney will come good. great conference player maybe just an average league player?

Re: Andy mangan?
 

I dunno about Craney you know. Obviously I cant see whats going on for the full 90 like you lucky lot but didnt Cranners make a poor/slow start to last season and then just shone??? I agree about man marking our 2 most prolific players out of the game though - the Forest game for example - Roberts was tightly watched all game despite this he did well. All it takes is a little underestimation of one of these 2 players by opposition and theyre in trouble. In my eyes thats how good they are and how respected they are as dangermen - they need 2 or 3 players constantly surrounding them to make them ineffective not 1.

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

Re: Andy mangan?
 

look as people have said in the past craney was player of the year last year course every manager in this league is going to have him man marked so hes not going to be te best give the lad a chance we have only played a handfull of games

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Ian Craney is & will always be a fantastic part of our wonderful squad. Gifted, very very committed, capable of unlocking defences, passionate, always remembers the fans & wears his heart on his sleeve

We need more like him & I for one, ain't gonna forget last season after 5 games of this one..............

Ian Craney, he scored a cracker at Morecambe Bay!!!!!:)

Re: Andy mangan?
 

He also chose the Stanley over the Alty you know ;)

Re: Andy mangan?
 

should of played mangan from the start! kimberly was right! heard craney had another shocker, gonna be hard without welch too. thought it was terrible tactics by coleman to play a 5 man midfield with just mullin upfront. lincolns defence is supposed to be suspect so why not play 2 upfront?????

Re: Andy mangan?
 

The above is the first thing I wrote in this thread.. Yet again somoene goes running to the club and tells someone something different. this time I wont let it pass :(

Re: Andy mangan?
 

same person Kipax?

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Mangan missed a one on one last night, to keep his place he needs to score when he comes on & force the managers hand. Unfortuanetly he ain't doing that & Boco when he's back is

PS Who you gonna punch Tony?

Re: Andy mangan?
 

why not move him in to midfield or play 4-3-3

Re: Andy mangan?
 

paul mullin i mean

Re: Andy mangan?
 

I agree that Mangan aint finishing so maybe Browny should be getting a shot, although he doesn't have the same devasting effect that Mangy has when he runs at tired defenders.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Anybody that thinks Mullin should be left out of the squad obviously didn't go away to FGR last season. I was completely hammered, and I remember how poor we were without him. Mangan has a lot of pace, but is shocking at finishing. Maybe Brown should be given more oppurtunities, he just never seems to get a fair crack of the whip.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Like when he ran at the left back last night, everybody screaming, "DON'T DIVE IN, ANDY", one yellow card later. (He hardly touched him!)

But he does make a big difference when he comes on, really like the lad if he could just engage his brain sometimes.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Exactly, he has an effect when he runs at tired defenders, but defenders are not tired when the game starts. Mangy has an effect in the last 20 minutes but not as much effect in the first 20 minutes.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Are you crazy ? Paul Mullin in midfield. Mully is a striker, a target man, a player to hold up the ball. He doesn't tackle, he hasn't got any speed. What use would he be in midfield ? As Kipax would say - who would you drop to play him in midfield ?<!-- google_ad_section_end --><!-- google_ad_section_end --><!-- google_ad_section_end -->

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Id say that mullin is hardly effective at all. ive rarely seen him hold the ball up this season or win a header

Re: Andy mangan?
 

What ?

Mullin is THE most effective player we have got, he can turn the game around at times by himself

Before knocking him at FL level, give him a fair chance to get going, eh ?

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Just out of interest - how many league games have you seen him play this season.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Err.....

Can't actually remember him MISSING a header at the Lincoln game.

Does the sort of job that Davies does for Bolton - target man that holds up or flicks on for others. Just need people following up that are prepared to shoot - we seemed to be a bit scared to do that on Friday, making things a bit more complicated in the box.

On the subject of the midfield, it seems to me that Craney & Roberts don't seem to rush back when we lose possession - I don't know if that's what they're instructed to do, to give us more attacking options when we get the ball back, but it means that we're often outnumbered in midfield. Certainly for Linclon's third goal, the guy had a free run towards the edge or the box, with no-one standing in front of him, never mind getting a tackle in.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

That's the defence's job, nowhere to be found as usual. Nobody organising them, every man for himself, desparate defending.

Re: Andy mangan?
 

Totally agree Jeff, you might get away with it at Conf level, but in this league we need to be more organized