Craney to stay up front. Ventre back from Port and Anthony Barry back from Yeovil
 

Hi I'm Maverick and new to the site.

Just a few thibngs I wanna say and want your views on. I say we stop looking for a forward cos scoring goals isn't the problem it's that we are leaking them at the back. Coley should try Captain Marvel as a holding midfielder like he did 2nd half against Forest. That way he can leave Craney (Jimmy Bullard) upfront and leave Proccy on the bench. He should get Danny back from Southport and put him at the back to stop us leaking goals.

Anthony Barry isn't getting his game at Yeovil and he's class. Can they sort out a loan move?

What D'you reckon?

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if we got barry back it would be class yeah, but if cav went into midfield, surely edwards would have to go right back?

even if we do leave craney up front, we've got to buy at least one striker before next season. i heard tony thorpe is playing in the conference nowadays, i reckon we try and get him, since he's still only 32.

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square pegs, round holes springs to mind.

cav in midfield when you have proctor and harris who play in that position
Craney upfront when you have mangan and brown who can play upfront

but i agree with ventre, i rate him

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Anthony Barry rating 9 points yesterday with high-flying Yeovil Town:-

"Barry - 9 - stupendous performance from little Ant today. Biting in the tackle, spraying passes around. RS surprised me starting him ahead of Kalala but boy, what a game."

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Re: Craney to stay up front. Ventre back from Port and Anthony Barry back from Yeovil
 

Danny Ventre returned to the club today - and before anyone asks , I found this out when I spoke to him at the Blackpool match last Tuesday

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I'd love to see Barry back to do the role that Jay Harris is failing at, it's never gunna happen like, but it would be nice.

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Fair enough Mangy and Browny can play up front but if Coley really rated them he would play them more often. Anthony's wages might be a problem nowadays but it would be worth it. Proccy is the worst player ever. Harris is good but Cav can lead from just in front of the back four and sure things up. I only think it could work if we got Danny back though. It's a joke that he's on loan when we're conceding goals all of the place.

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Danny Ventre is on loan probably because he is not good enough to play in the Football League. He hardly got a game last season, probably because he was not good enough to play in the Conference. He started eleven games last season and only one this season. This season he started away at Notts County and was subbed at half time when we were 3-0 down. Do you think he would help to stop us conceding goals ? I don't think so.

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proctor actually works hard he does alot of running in midfield an does the dirty work

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Barry scored a scorcher for Yeovil mid-week and he's playing regularly now, so I doubt he's coming back anytime soon.

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Jeff, Ventre is a good player and better than what we have playing at the back at the minute. The Welch/Williams partnership isn't good enough they make too many mistakes. Danny hasn't really had much of a chance and yeah he might have played a few bad games but can't much worse than the way Welchy's playing at the mo.

Sorry. Proccy's poor. :p

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Ventre will not replace Welch.
He's too lightweight for a centre half in this league.

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Why all the slating of Proctor? I think it's really uncalled for, the lad gives 110% and he's still only young. He'd be in my line up every match if I was in Coley's shoes.

Ventre still has a lot to learn before he'll make the squad.

Mangan has the makings of a class striker, but again, still got a bit to learn.

Brown is just rubbish, to be perfectly honest. He looks disinterested whenever he plays. Although, I'll give him his dues, he looked quite sharp at Hereford.

As for Jay Harris, I think he'll prove the doubters wrong in time, just as I think Sean Doherty is starting to prove his worth.

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Ventre will not replace anybody! His distribution is appalling, however good his defensive qualities.

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Absolutely spot on, Diesel!

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Ventre is a full back, Welchy is a centre half. There is no way that Ventre can replace Welchy.

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Diesel,

I was slating Proccy cos I just think he's poor. As for giving 110% so he should every game for the Stanley every player should. I never said Ventre can replace Welchy I just think Coley needs to change things at the back because we're conceding too many goals and it's frustrating when we are not doing too bad at scoring them. Scoring 2 away from home should get you at least a point but we end up with nothing. Ventre is now an option again now he's back anyway. I'm sure Coley will get it right soon. Keep the faith. Still need to buy another Centre half and a striker in January with some of the cash the Roberts deal generates.

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were only gettin 200k for roberts thats not going to go far is it

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There's now Dibble's wages up for grabs...

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£200k can actually get you a decent player if you shop around and spend it wisely as I'm sure Coley will. Look at the likes of Cav who we got for nothing? Great player and servant is El Capitan.

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I doubt the Roberts money will go to transfers. Very little of it will anyway. We are a small League 2 club we cant afford to spend 200k on a player! Other things have got to take priority.

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players - ground - players - ground - players - ground.


I am sure that we would all like new players (here and there) but I think now is the time that we NEED to spend on ground improvements. We all know that the club is losing fans because of the lack of facilities and losing money from the fans that are on the ground because of a further lack of facilities.

Hobsons choice I'm afraid, spend the money on the ground with a view to being able to generate more monies further down the line and hope that the players we have are good enough to keep us in the league - or spend on players who still might not keep us up anyway and not be able to attract more fans spending money because they are wet.


Roof over Clayton End
bar built into that end
tarmac the car parks.

any change spend it on the clubhouse bar.

no doubt about that is how I would spend a theoretical 200k

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Your right the ground definitely needs improving but who wants a Rolls Royce without any petrol? If the team is playing well the gates will improve. Fans won't simply start going to watch Stanley because their is a roof at the Clayton end. The Clayton is full every week without a roof. We were getting bigger average gates at home towards the end of last season in a lower league because fans who are not regulars like us pick and choose their games depending on who we're playing and if we're doing well.

Improve the team. Improve the gates. Improve the ground.

I agree it probably won't be spent on players but I'd hate to see us go straight back down after so many years trying to get back in the league and for us to look back and think about what might of been if only we'd bought another centre half. I'd rather be wet in the league than dry in the conference.

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there is no right answer but, every year we have strengthened the team and done only the bare minimum to be eligible for promotion should it happen. Every time it has happened we have had to strengthen the team a little further and then we have gone up again. If we strengthen the time this time we may go, we may still go down, but guaranteed next year we will be pushing for league 1 play-offs or trying to bounce straight back into the league. The ground will still not be improved. The team has to be improved via budgeted money in line with the wage cap restrictions. The ground, by virtue of costing a lot more, can only be improved via unforeseen windfalls such as cup runs or player sales.

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New fans will come if the team is doing well but if its p*ssin down may not come back.

New fans will come if the team is doin well and if its p*ssin down and we have a roof and bar are more than likely gonna come back. true??

And the bars will be making us money every game and thats a fact.

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True but the team has to be priority in my view. the roof won't get you points. I hear what your saying about new fans but it only stands up when it rains. What about games like swindon and wycome? Poor gates after deducting the away following and the sun was cracking the flags.

There is no right and wrong answer though.

Any chance of the Craney 8 flag coming back at home games?

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The old theory applies."Take care of the cents,and the dollars will grow."
Make certain the facilities are at their very best,then build your team.When we re-plant a new block of appletrees,we don't just rip out the old ones and bung the new ones in.The soil has to be 'cleaned and prepared which can take several months thus giving the new trees the best possible conditions to grow and 'sprout forth'.Get the ground spot on and the it will allow the club to concentrate on growing the team.

(Disclosure:Early in the morning and just got up so excuse my ramblings:) )

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Spot on. We've been getting wet for years, are we getting soft now that we are in the league.

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okay then here is one for you,

we need to attract the kids who are fans of tomorrow, where do we put them? Would you bring your young uns every week in the cold, wind and rain? They cant go in the seating because it is full every week, from the Whinney Hill Stand you can't really see if you are under four foot because there is no banked terracing to speak of. The goal area is where the noise and atmosphere is at which does seem to magnetise the kids, but they are wet.

If the team is near the top then they need players for the push for promotion, if they are near the bottom they need players to get away from the bottom, if they are in the middle they need players to make a push for play-offs. When exactly do you spend a bit on the ground?

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Quite right Macca...:)

The ground does need work we all know that and bad facilities will stop fans coming back...
For Example... Herefords facilities are awful and that stopped me from spending my money and going back there again this season. The same will put off fans (old and new) visiting our ground if nothing improves... !!!

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I hope we stay mid table for the next 5 years, where we can slowly build the ground up to a respectable standard.

If we were to make a push for promotion now, would our ground be suitable for league 1 and then the championship? If it isn't good enough, would we be refused promotion or will the league concoct accusations against us to deduct points.

I would not like to be in Eric's position, as if you spend on the ground you can't strenthen the team. If you strenthen the team you can't upgrade the ground, we just can;t afford to do both.

We need to be able to sustain a respectable squad, to keep us here in the league whilst sorting the ground, I would expect 5 years to be about the right amount of time before aiming for promotion.

The last thing we need to do is borrow money to spend on the ground, and take forever paying it back. Also we don't want to be buying any stands off other clubs for a quick fix.

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borrowing money to do the ground depends on what it is for and how much. The roof would pay for itself, a bar would pay for itself. Better floodlights would not. If the lights are good enough then leave them alone no matter how crap they look (or looked). Tarmacced car parks may make a difference for the clubhouse and functions. I would never book a wedding up there again after my wifes dress got covered in crap getting out of the car. Some things are worth doing and some are not, unfortunately this year we had to spend a cart load on stuff that people do not notice or care about such as fences and extra breeze blocks. If we could have had that 200k on things already mentioned then we would all be happy at the ground improvements.

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I'm saying, we need to improve things in order of importance without putting ourselves into debt, whilst sustaining a team who can keep us in the league.
I'll be happy if we only do one important thing per season, with a roof being the most important.
I don't want an all seater stadium, I'm not really bothered about a bar, or all singing, all dancing floodlights, although tarmac around the ground will be handy.
I know about the work in the close season, as I was doing some of it and 90% of that is hidden underground.
I'm really enjoying league football, in this league two-thirds of away fixtures are easily accessable, and I don't want relegation in the future, I still believe we will be ok this season.

My point is, get the ground upto a good standard that home and away fans, will want to keep comming back to, when that is sorted we could mabe attract players with better wages, and keep them. At present the only thing we can offer talented young players, is the offer of a shop window where they can move on to bigger clubs.

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agreed, but

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agreed, but then we moan about selling our best young players :rolleyes:

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We need to be looking at our long term future, as Redash has stated. Stop in League Two for a few years, develop the Ground and THEN start investing in a squad that can take us up.

Anyway, aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves here? I mean, we've only just got here, can't we just enjoy it, despite results on the pitch? I know I am :)

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Ummm...does anyone else think this thread has been hijacked????:D :D

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yeah,, Craney upfront. I bet Mangy is miffed though. Is Danny back from Port.

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If Craney is to stay up front then we need someone with more bulk in midfield than Jay Harris, Joel Byrom in that role would have far more 'prescence' in my opinion

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spot on. Joel looks a decent player and could do a job in the middle. Craney can always drop in when we lose possession to tighten things up aswell.:rolleyes:

Re: Craney to stay up front. Ventre back from Port and Anthony Barry back from Yeovil
 

Maacca - Danny came back from Port this week - as stated in a previous post in this thread. As regards the floodlights, it is common knowledge that they are being upgraded at the end of the season, as has previously been stated - thirdly, I personally think we have a team capable now of staying in the league and as reported by Kipax we have allegedly signed a winger from Witton Albion on loan witha view to a permanent contract in January, so the roof and bar option is looking good to me!

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roof and bar - roof and bar - roof and bar!!!!!!


sorry - hijacking again. Yeah Craney up front.I bet Mangy aint too happy.