My thoughts on yesterday (Hartlepool)
 

Having had a little time to think about yesterday, I thought I'd put down some of my thoughts and observations.

Pre-match
I was on the Whinney Hill terrace a good 40 minutes before kick-off and I observed the team warming up. A group of them were stood passing the ball around, but not talking to each other. I always arrive about the same time, so to observe players showing little interest in each other was something that stood out for me. There appeared to be a lack of morale in the team, which is something I haven't seen for a long time. Jimmy Bell wasn't warning the team up as normal, but it was crying out for a motivator. Where was the Captain/leader character?? I could tell 20 minutes before kick-off that I'd be watching an under-par performance.

The match
Very, very poor performance overall. Apart from the goal and Craney's free-kick, we didn't create much else. Hartlepool deserved their win and if they'd have taken all the clear cut chances they created, they would have won that game at a canter. The sending off did affect things, but Harris had to go.

The decision making
After going down to 10 men I thought Coleman committed tactical suicide by taking off defensive players and replacing them with attackers. I know we needed 3 points at home, but we ended up with nothing when we could have had a point. Gung-ho tactics come off every blue moon, but so many times you end up losing out. Poor decision in my opinion.

The crowd
Over the last few games the home gate has averaged out at around 1900 after deducting the away support. Yesterday the gate was 1700-ish, with an estimated 500 away fans. Taking that into consideration, the 1200-ish home fans was about 700 down on recent attendances. It's no coincidence that this drop in support is mirrored in the drop of temperature and the decilne in the weather overall. Home support gates will go down further as the winter presses on. How much money are we losing with having open, windswept ends? We must have lost thousands of pounds yesterday.
And before anyone starts, this is the first time that I have commented on the roof situation.

The positives
Sean Whalley looked lively when he came on. He's naive, but needs matchplay to improve. Hopefully he'll be a worthy replacement for the largely ineffective Doherty.

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The free kick was one of the best I have seen and was thwarted by a brilliant save. But Hartlepool could have been 5 - 2 up by half time.

It was too much to hope that Hartlepool's shooting would remain so wayward and eventually they got it right though I was very disappointed that Ritchie Humphreys should have got so close without an effective challenge.

The crowd and lack of atmosphere were a by - product of the results since Gary Roberts left and the weather.

Even if the club picks up a decent fee for Gary the club has a difficult cost benefit exercise over the roof bearing in mind that even with the club's remarkable volunteer backing over the years they do not come cheap and the old ASFC was brought down by a ground improvement.

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agree with you tin monkey all good points,

but haggis i thought the atmosphere was good we never seemed to stop signing so whether you mean in other parts of the ground that the atmosphere was dull ??? seemed good from where i was standing :-)

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Have'nt posted on here before but i can see where Tin monkeys coming from.The ground desperately needs covering over the goal ends,God knows the folk of Accy are a fickle lot at the best of times,but adverse weather & christmas shopping will deter a lot of fans over this period.Is it any motivation to the players when they run out to a low gate & ****e weather.The apathy of the town seems to be spreading to the team.And i confess i'm one who is no prepared to stand/sit in the wind & rain,& possibly lose wages due to illness cos of no shelter.I'll be there come spring.

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WE HAVE GOT A ROOF.. TWO IN FACT! There not hard to see.. they cover practically the full length of the pitch on both sides...

The crowds are down because we are on a losing streak.. it happens for every team in every league in every country..

Not rocket science is it..

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There were a group of blokes stood next to me, three of them were complaining about the lack of cover and said they will never come back. One of them won't be missed though, as he was constantly shouting abuse at the players from the very start.

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I wish I'd have thought of that :rolleyes:

The home crowd was down by approximately 37%. That's one hell of a drop. If it's as simple as a drop in form, then fine. It may not be rocket science, but it's much more complex than you make it sound Kipax.

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exactly!!!! i would say all those that wanted/needed cover yesterday could have got it either in the main stand or whinney hill terrace

Yesterday the weather was crap, i bet if you look throughout the country at alot of different past times there attendances where down be it shopping or football, people do not go out as much when its raining even if there is a roof they still get cold or get wet on their way home

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We set off for the match yesterday and Julie said the weathers so bad she is going in the stands..I mean FFS people is it that hard to work out? Its pouring down.. should I stand on the terrace or go under cover... hmmmm

Yes TM I agree.. some the weather.. some the season is over with unless ya count the tin pot trophy.... theres lots of reasons.. I wasnt talking about every single person... But you have been watching football long enough to know that a team losing every week theres gonna be a drop.... Start winning games and getting through cup comps and the crowd will come back.. they wont care what colour the seats are or who makes the pies.. they will come to see a winning team.... AND... If it's raining they will go under cover or get a brolley or stand in the rain....


If they choose to stand in the rain then its exactly that.. there choice.. to then bellyache moan and cry about it is pathetic..Anyone on an open terrace yesterday knew they would be getting wet... they dont have a right to complain..no one forced them on there.. IF its a sunny day then pees down half way through.. yes a right to moan...

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I think that TM as got the all thing nailed down really, I went away disappointed with our overall performance, I don’t know what happening locally, but I felt for the lads, at time they seemed to be all over the place at times without the cohesion and determination of pervious games. I do believe we saw some of that fight in the last 5 or 6 minutes but far too little to late.

What I do believe is that Stanley are far better than what we are seeing and given our current standing in the table I am sure that something will give and we will see a more determined second half of the season.

The support for the Clayton End was strong as always in my opinion, apart for a disheartened pose a little after there second, the Ultras kept it going and on the all where a credit to there team. I heard a few dissenting comments and a lot of very pointless over the top swearing from an hand full of supporters but all in all a good spirited crowed form all ages….

The open aspect of the terraces can only force the numbers down over the winter months; I haven’t made a game since the Boston Game and it was the first time since last season that I had a taste of an Accrington Autumn. I bitter cold and grim out there and it can only get worse, We needs bodies through the gates in order move forward, I really do think its time for some real investment in the ground, weather protection and some basic comfort for the older element of the supporters before we lose the an all.

Nice to be able to get a pint yesterday……….

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You must have been close to where I was Stood Redash.......

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I had a hat. I don't really want to sit in the stands, I want to stand. I want to be where the living people are and see and hear the action. I want to feel the passion of all ages backing their team. I take your point and I agree with you, but for some of those older than us, a roof would be nice.

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But? What do you eman But? I havent suggested a roof isn't needed.. I want to see one.. more for the atmosphere than the weather TBH .. I am just sick of seeing people blame the lack of roof for everything..

Some people seem to think theres a thousand people sat at home every saturday all there lives... and these people are going to read a paper saying stanley have got a roof on the clayton end.. there all gonna suddenly become accrington stanley fans on a saturday afternoon because we have a roof...

Yes a roof will help... but it wont get us new fans... it will stop a few from looking out there windows and deciding not to come on a rainy day.. the fickle ones.. but not that many

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Take your point and agree.............:)

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Idid say over the goal ends.Try reading it again.

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I wasnt reffering to your post (so i dont need to re read it thanks) hence the reason i didnt quote it.. i was reffering to the general opinions of a lot of people on here over the last few months.. I didnt even mention you.

Like you say.. your first post on this section and already you think everyones talking about you.... hehehe :)

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I Know,paranoia setting in . Ill be polite,F*** off.:eek:

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Proper football talk :)

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You're right Kipax. Of course it isn't just a lack of roof that stops people coming, but to lose so many fans must make an enormous dent in the mediocre income the club receives anyway. That was my point.
I never stand in the open, even when the Sun is shining. I always stand under the Whinney Hill cover and yesterday it was significantly fuller than it normally is. No surprise there then. When Burnley and Blackburn aren't playing at home we normally pick up the drifters. Yesterday we didn't.

As I said in my original post, I've never mentioned the lack of roof before, but I included the large drop in attendance alongside a number of other observations.

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It does not give me great pleasure to criticise a player in a Red shirt, and I will always back players who give 100%. I am also against criticising players too early as it is only fair they should be given a chance, but yesterday for me emphasised two things.

Doherty - Unlike others, I have tried to give the lad time, to settle in and what have you. However, Sean just doesnt look up to it. Pulling out of challenges, stray passes and the inability to beat players. It doent bode well. I only hope Coley sees something in the lad that we don't and that he'll show us all sooner or later.

Cav - This is even more difficult, as Cav is a top bloke who will always give his all for the cause. He is just too slow. Everytime its the same. The winger beats him, Cav goes to ground and concedes a foul. I have no doubt he is a quality player, but surely Phil Edwards must be wondering what he has to do to get a game.

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Absolutely spot on, Alvin. After Doherty's invisible performances at Mansfield and others before, and Coley's enthusiasm over his new signings, why on earth did he not start with Whalley? He looks an impact player who could spark a team performance from the word go. The Cav/Edwards situation is just plain embarrassing.

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haa now theres a different debate :) Was it yesterday or this season? was we picking up blackburn burnley because we where the little non league club who needed there 6 quid... but now we have all the trappings that a lot where trying to get away from.. not to mention the price..

Also not just the drifters but a few who came to us from league because they liked non league and all that comes with non league.... now they are stuck with the very things they left... have they given up on us?

I know a lot of people perversly would prefer non league... I have to say for photography I prefer non league.. but as a supporter i desperatly want us in the league and stay here...

Like you say... theers a lot to it... I just got the impression it was the roofs fault again :)

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Swindon (home) I thought the performance was all too obvious when possession was lost in their corner and Fola Onebuje raced away to cross for Peacock's equaliser.

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i think being in the league is a one chance shot. if this continues then we are going to be sucked into a relegation battle.
being really pessimistic if we were relegated then the doors may as well shut on the club again.
tin monkey is spot on about the roof!!! it's not about attracting new fans at this time.......it's about keeping the ones that we've got.
i for one feel a little let down at the moment and yesterday was a little depressing to say the least.... not helped by the weather.
stanley is not the best saturday experience that one can have and it is not aided by a a club management that have missed the boat by about three months to capitalise on the good work from last season.

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3 months, ha, 6 months maybe but they still haven't got a clue.:(

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Same old same old, year after year! Cold weather arrives and surprise surprise attendances drop, what could be the cause...blah blah blah! Seems pretty simple to me, the footy we are currently playing is dire and folk who would usually come won't because they don't want to pay £13.00 for a cold, I could have brought another two 'fair weather' fans who because of the rain just are not as keen.

At least last season when the weather turned we had a winning team to warm us up. Unless the directors wake up to reality and listen to the clubs more than loyal supporters then there is only one way we are heading. It's simply a joke that a club with such a famous name and potential pulling power cant even have third rate facilities. I was at a family get together this afternoon and it was full of the usual Blackburn/Burnley crew but everyone agreed that if there given team was away they wouldnt come to our place to get a soaking "and besides you can't even get a drink at half time". When is Mr Whalley going to sit up and do something about this? About time you either sort it or it's back to obscurity and a fantastic opportunity wasted. I reckon the tight sod is waiting for the good old OSC to get another lets have a roof campaign. Crap, these lads work hard enough and for no appreciation.

Change in direction required at the top?????? I am fed up with them taking the ****

Doherty!!!!! does not want to pull on the shirt, a little boy in my opinion. Worst player to play at the Crown, and that includes me!

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The roof for me is mainly about atmosphere. It would be nice to keep dry but the fantastic noise that we can create is lost without a tin roof. A roof would amplify the noise we make to a point where other people would join in as well so we would end up with about four times as much noise, that then creates continuity of noise. We sang red and white army for nigh on twenty minutes yesterday but who heard it?

The club has banged on in the past about making the Crown a fortress and we need the crowd to help make it hostile, I'd stick my neck out and say that we would be the worst away visit of the season for reasons other than facilities. The atmosphere would bring people back, carnivale is the way forward. The Ultras ethos of bringing colour, atmosphere and vibrancy to the terraces is one to be applauded and one of the few things that ASFC as a whole can do really well aat the moment. Its all academic at present though as they cant afford one. Til January.:)

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oh yeah and where was McGivern yesterday, promising debut last week should have been followed up IMHO

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From a personal point of view, you have all missed the boat. The problem is we only have one wide player in Andy Todd - who IMHO was the best player in red on the park by a country mile. It is as plain as the nose on your face we are missing Gary Roberts! The stats in the League paper prove it:
Shots on goal Accrington 2!!!! Hartlepool 7
Shots off target Accrington 1 Hartlepool 10
Corners Accrington 8 Hartlepool 9
And so it goes on, tell me, just who were the home team yesterday????????
I can honestly say, not many came out of that game with any positives, Andy Todd, Paul Mullin, Bav's, Welchy (although I wish he wouldn't get booked so early in a game), Rocky and Liam.
Sean Doherty is a dead duck IMO, Ian Craney ghosts in and out of games too often, Cav has been good recently but seemed a yard too slow prior to him being replaced. Although I like Phil Edwards as a player, the jury is still out.Lets go to Grimsby next week with a more positive attitude, put both McGivern and Whalley on, we can't get any worse, CAN WE?
I deliberately haven't mentioned the sending off - but now I will. I watched the whole incident from the Hartlepool penalty area to the centre of the pitch and Nelson was all over Harris like a rash. If and its a big IF, Harris has spat at Nelson then he deserved to go. If on the other hand he spat on the ground as he has said to JC, then there must be grounds for appeal, unless the swinging arm to try and release himself from Nelson vice like grip was the violent conduct. For goodness sake, Nelson was twice his size. Personally I think the ref made a mistake to compound the others he made during a poor match.

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If we got relegated why do you say the doors may as well shut on the club again? Going back down, if it happens, whilst being at best disappointing at worst absolutely gutting would certainly not mean the club might as well shut up shop! Many of us have followed the reds through years of non league football and bloody well enjoyed it and most wouldn't stop going just becuase we were back there.

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We wont get relegated..

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We haven't got crystal balls but even you Kipax cannot see the future, we may get relegated in 3 years time, who knows.

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roof or no roof, cant see Coley sticking around at the end of the season if we dont ' do ' anything, i think there is unrest at camp, everyone ignoring each other at warm ups etc, nobody talking to each other. After spaking to Eric's son today, might not be a Stanley in 2yrs time

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i think that might be taking it a bit far tbh denise

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aaaaaw for crying out loud... . no club in 2 yrs my arse

and thats without a crytal ball


look what ya started TM :)

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I agree Mr Timmins, so what did Eric's son actually say for the record???

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OK, Denise, you can't just leave it at that. As Bagpuss says, tell us exactly what was said.

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...hmmm, Denise seems to have gone without telling us about this mysterious conversation with Eric's son. A complete and utter load of crap, if you ask me.

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I was on the Clayton end throughout and it hardly rained at all, there was a rainbow over Whinny Hill as I walked down, but I couldn`t get anyone to come along with me cos they were frightened of getting wet. On the way I didn`t expect so many there.
I was standing near Mr Timmins and you couldn`t fault the Atmosphere there as he said, No-one was cold cos they were jumping up and down, If there is no atmosphere where you are standing I suggest you create one. It`s quite easy you just open your gob and shout "Come on Stanley" then the people around do the same and hey presto there`s an atmosphere all round.
Even when Stanley are playing S*** the way you support them shouldn`t change, muttering and whinging "What the F was that" and "Useless" aint going to turn it round.
Although the end result of chanting Red and White army for over 10 minutes was a sending off and conceding 2 goals, so thats p***ed on that bonfire.
I don`t know what we can do. If everyone`s falling out like u say let me in the dressing room for some motivational team talks and kick some rsez.
Some Players and supporters P*** up nights to get the community spirit going ?

Onto the Pitch

Still to much big hoof up the field, oops straight to a defender. Has anyone who goes to more games EVER seen Bavs roll it out through the team ?
Passing was poor all round but If Harris did get himself stupidly sent off for spitting (He might as well of cracked him one at least) it capped off a day of wayward passes and weak tackles for him.
Why Why Why didn`t anyone challenge that guy before he scored the winner, 3 players were backing off and I had chance to shout "TO HIM !!" 3 or 4 times before the inevitable happened.

I was spitting and swearing and muttering about monkeys on the way home but I still had a fantastic day, with fantastic people, supporting a fantastic club.

Cart On Stanley !

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****** me, the accyweb "slit your wrists after a defeat" thread....

:mad:

No club in 2 years, B A L L S! Denise only pops on when things are bad with innuendo about how she knows people...........

As for atmosphere, if there's none where you are then make your own. If you don't then how can you complain. Yesterday was like an away game & the Ultras & lads behind the goal tried our best.

On the pitch, only Toddy stodd out if I'm honest but people, remember getting dicked by Bamber Bridge 5-1 etc etc

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEZus

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Blimey all that blab and I forgot to mention the roof.

It was too windy to hold up the Banners. :mad:

New OSC fundraiser idea. Clayton End Parascending.:Banane15:

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Although I read the forum regularly I don't often feel the need to post. However, just wanted to say that, having watched football for 30+ years, the last 9 of them at Acc - home and as many away matches as possible - I left a match early for the first time in my life on saturday. This was nothing to do with getting beaten as we were still a goal up when we left. Having arrived around 35 minutes before kick off we decided not to stand in our usual spot on the clayton end, but to go in the cow shed in an attempt to escape the exceptionally bad weather. A large number of people had obviously had the same idea, and by kick-off you could hardly see anything of the pitch. We lasted 10 minutes then gave up and went back out onto the terrace, where we were wet through and freezing within minutes. We have braved some dire weather over the last 9 years including, snow, wind, rain, hail, ice etc, and to some extent you expect that when you are a footie fan, but this week we had had enough. We left about 20 minutes from the end. Yes, we CHOOSE to buy a season ticket and spend our hard-earned money at Accy. Yes, we CHOOSE to come back week after week to support our beloved team through wins and defeats. Yes, we CHOOSE to buy half-time draw tickets, raffle tickets etc to support the cause, but we do NOT choose to be treated with disdain by a club which has so little regard for its supporters that we still have to put up with the same lack of BASIC facilities that we had in Unibond 1.
I will cut my nose off to spite my face and stay away when the weather is as bad again, despite having a season ticket, and I will not be renewing that season ticket next year unless there is some improvement.
The reason that attendances continue to fall is threefold - seasonal drop due to people spending for Christmas, a poor run of results, and no bloody facilities, including a roof!

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unfortunately there isn't really a response to that. Many people will be the same. Many will come every week whatever nature throws at us, some of those will go in the shed, some will pay two quid extra and sit if there is space. But some just will not come in the rain. The crowd on saturday is probably our base support and that is the number that should be counted in the budgets (probably is). Anything above that is a bonus, but would always be above that with cover. I personally was torn between the stand and the Clayton End, but only cos I wanted a beer at half time. In the end I went behind the goals because that is where I will always watch football and it is where the atmosphere is. Sometimes, JPT games etc I will not pay £13 to stand on an empty terrace to get cold and wet during an atmpospherically lacking game. But with a roof I would.

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on a lighter note at least none of us support macclesfield......then we realy could moan:)

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In the LET tonight, Coley is blasting the ref for the diabolical sending off of Jay Harris and for once I actually agree with him, the lad shouldn't have walked - at least not on his own, their no. 5 was a nasty piece of work throughout the game and was a blatant cheat. BUT .... I'm not sure that Jay's dismissal was what made the difference which led to our defeat. I know Coley always says that he will risk losing one point to try & gain three but not when we're down to 10 men and the opposition have just equalised. In my opinion his decision to sacrifice a defender and throw another striker on was a wrong one and contributed to our defeat - strange he doesn't mention that in his rant but then again he probably doesn't think he was wrong

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OK, everyone's had a whinge, chucked their toys out of their pram, ripped up their season tickets (metaphorically speaking) and (in Denise's case) practically read the last rites.

Now's the time to put it behind us and get back to supporting the team.

The question that's really bothering me now is...does anyone know of a really top notch chippy in Cleethorpes? :)

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Amen to that Mr Harris. Where's Cleethorpes?

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All I know is it's 2 hours 40 minutes away from Manchester Piccadilly on a direct service. Roll on Saturday!

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Its only 40 minutes accross the Humber Bridge from where I currently live but I have not been there since March 1975.

It was freezing then the wind blows straight in off the North Sea and the ground is right by it.

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well said kipax , happens everytime , the roof is not desperatly needed you do not need a roof to watch a football match and if thats why people didnt come then they are not a good supporter in my view

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I think I once said something like that, now I can understand why I was wrong. :) But I respect your point of view.

I think people will have many reasons. I could have come to any number of games over the last month, but I didn't. On Saturday I set out with my hat in one hand and 13 quid in the other, I took a 80 mile round trip and got ****** wet through. I knew it was going to happen and I still wanted to come over, Will I do it again, yes. Do I think a roof will make a difference to me, no, do I think others might be put off, yes. do I think their not good supporters, No.

I do think we should push for, and embrace anything that might inprove our support. I also think that Mr Harris has made a good point though, maybe we should move on.

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According to Sky, Cav could be out for 3 months: http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?...ow+for+Stanley

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That's right, put it behind us, get over it and move on.

By the way, Doug, I expect to see you in a prominent position in the Osmond Stand on Saturday, giving useful advice to the referee on sex and travel. ;)

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You're completely right about Doherty but I do not agree with this point.
Cavanagh is one of two talismans for Accy (along with Paul Mullin). When he is not playing, the whole team loses a large amount of presence and it has a detremental effect to the game. For example, Andy Todd doesn't play half as well when Phil Edwards is playing at right back.
I hope Cav is back before too long, all the best to him.

In all fairness Hartlepool should have had five. I thought it was an overall distinctly average performance by us on Saturday, crap ref, crap weather, we'll get over it.
Clayton End were on top form with the vocals, never gave up.

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i think we should lay off sean doherty as he gives the team an outlet when were under the cosh because the rest of the midfield seems out of sorts at the moment nobody seems to be moving into space i think we should try and get a holding midfielder becuase mullers seem to be trying to evrything eithr hes a holding midfielder or a striker he cant be everywhere at the same time thats why his form has dipped a bit its not his fault hes trying to be everywhere at the same time but dont worry it will click soon just in time for the bury game and then well go on another winning run when mcgivern blends in with the system ang goes on a scoring streak..i think cav has been playing with a slight injury thats why hes not being keeping up with the pace but dont worry phil edwards should fit in ok dont despair because we will survive good times will be back.i thought saturdays atmosphere was good even if it was raining it was quality not quantity even if we need quantity ...let the good times roll:Banane57:

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Thats just it though, Sean Doherty hasn't been giving the team an outlet. Toddy has, Mully has even Craney has but Sean at times might as well be on a different planet. He just doesn't have the confidence in himself to get involved in games. Oh and the most likely reason for Mullys dip in form (is there one?) is that he isn't getting any service up to him apart from long balls from defence. Just at the minute there is a distinct lack of balls into the box. Toddy is trying his best but hes working on his own, when wingers work better in pairs.

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Spot on Mr Harris, roll on Grimsby away

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If this is true and Cav is out for 3 months, maybe all who have been doubting him recently will see how much we will miss him on the pitch. I've no doubt Phil Edwards will do an excellent job in that position, no qualms on that score but Cav's prescence as captain will certainly be missed.

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It`s on the Stanley site now.
Out `til New Year with a knee injury courtesy of the Monkey hangers.
Harris out for 3 games for his spitting incident.
A rather costly match all round I`d say.

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Definately - I was really routing for Rochdale to beat them last night in the cup replay, unfortunately it didn't happen

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very true apparently after this match coley and jimmy are clueless, eric doesn't know how to deal with transfers and the club will be here no longer in 2 years :eek: :rolleyes::p

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We didn't miss him last season when he was out injured - we won the league. As for Cav's prescence as captain - I have never seen him organise his defence, I have never heard him shout at anybody, in fact I have never seen him do anything a captain does except toss up at the start and receive trophys when we win them. I don't think he is inspriational as a captain at all. I am sure that Phil Edwards will fill in for him in defence and Mully will fill in for him as captain (he does exactly the same as Cav as captian - nothing). I think Craney should be given the job as captain - he is more of a leader than any of our players.

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At least some of us have the balls to have an opinion on what might be going wrong instead of making sneaky comments. I don't give a fig what anyone thinks but IMHO in does not appear we have got the best of the Roberts loan/transfer.:)

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Digressing slightly. What happened to Harry Cross's lads Bagpuss?

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I have a view i just don't publicise my opinion on stuff which i know f**k all about, a few figures banded around in the papers and online and its now the gospel truth???

:):):):):)

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You've lost me please explain.:confused:

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We all have opinions and it doesn't matter whether it is based on true facts or not it's still your opinion so where did anyone say it was the gospel truth?

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From the Hartlepool Echo report of the game:-

"The portable cabin which masquerades as the away dressing room":D

When did we upgrade the dressing rooms then? I must have missed that.

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not just me and you on this forum :D

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'Tis a reference to your mate Jegsy Dodd (featured in your avatar). His group (back in the late eighties I think) was called Jegsy Dodd and the sons of Harry Cross.

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What can I say, Dan the Monkey is the man with the facts.:)

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Sorry I was not with you I couldn't link Stanley with Harry Cross.

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Saturday was a depressing day. Cold, bored and totally pis**d off by the less than adequate example of refereeing. What the hell was the liner doing going off the field ( call of nature?) or was he just bored as well. We played as a ramshackle collection of amatuers. What has happened to the team spirit? Todd is the only fighter in the team. Not impressed at all with the lack of tactical awareness from Mr Coleman.Trouble is, I'm a supporter so I will be there at the next home match, and we will start all over again.....silly init!

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NO, IT'S NOT! What is silly is that we now have a football league club - something which dozens of towns, many bigger than ours, all over the country would give their eye teeth to have. And its progress is being thwarted because the vast majority of citizens of Accrington and district prefer to spend their Saturday afternoons shopping, in the pub or comatose in their armchairs. Now, THAT'S silly!

And, yes, I know it's a well-worn theme, but it's true!

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Apparnetly the linesman had a problem with his boot, or more accuratly the fact that the sole of it was hanging off!! So he went to change his boot, when he returned to the field he was wearing odd ones.

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Re: the linesman:

FACT his boot was absolutley kna**kered.

To save time he just changed the u/s one and continued with odd ones.

Assesscer was less than pleased with his timing though. Everybody thought he'd seen something extra with regards to the sending off, when all he wanted to go was change his boot!!:)

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Are you mad? Tell me Cav wasn't inspirational in our 9 in a row winning run?

Cav's done nothing? He's been club captain in our MOST successful time as a club since we reformed. I'm sure players do read this forum & I'd be appalled if Iwas Cav.........

Do we as fans really think "slagging" players off on the internet will have an positives

Shame on, not only Jeff, who likes a moan, but anyone else who bemoan players who re-wrote our history

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :(

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Fella, there's nowt brave about "tapping" a few keys....

Eric always has, always will do the best for the club. We as supporters should do waht we do best & "support".

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Sean Doherty is not one of those players who re-wrote our history and even if he was he's still shi*e. If a player is not performing including Cav, a spell in the reserves or another club is what should happen. We need points not passengers to survive.:)

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We are all different and support our club the way we want to. If you can see a problem there is no point putting on the blinkers and blindly ignoring it, sometimes things need to be said or done or even "tapped out on a keyboard".

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But the thing with a forum, as opposed to chatting about stuff in a pub, is that its there in print & for all to see. Barrow fans, management, players, me.....;)

I always used to laugh at clubs who had nothing but negative threads about their club & as an outsider looking at their forum it seemed the club was awash with infighting & bad vibes.

Thats how we will be perceived via accyweb in the season we are back in the football league

Enjoy it FFS, we may only be here for a year:o

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What 9 in a row winning run are you talking about Willie ?
Last season Cav played only 23 league games. During our twenty game unbeaten league run Cav only played in seven games. I am not slagging off players I am merely stating my opinion. As for moaning you have no room to talk, moan, moan, moan about stewards at Mansfield just because they told you what to do and you didn't like it.

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That's your opinion, and you're quite entitled to it, just as I am to mine - but Craney for captain - sorry I really can't see that. The only time I've seen him 'leading' anyone is when he jumped up on the balcony of the town hall when we won the league and that wasn't good leadership it was plain stupidity!

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Maybe he meant the one at the start of the Unibond Championship season??? Thats the last 9 wins back to back that I remember Stanley acheiving anyway - could be wrong...

If anyone cares, obviously I didnt see the whole game but my opinion on Saturdays game was that we were beaten by 2 quality finishes - perhaps the 2nd shouldnt even have been given the chance to have a pop but he was and he did and thats League footy for ya... of course in MY opinion...

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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Well apparently we are not going to exsist in 2 years time anyway, so whats it matter??

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Listen to yourselves. There's a lot of passionate Stanley supporters out there with valid points of view but all we seem to be doing is slagging each other off not only some of the players. Leave that to other clubs forums.

Anybody at Chester on the opening day should have known we were in for a long hard season. Hardly any of the current squad have played league football before and they are coming to terms with it. The Hartlepool game was a prime of example of the harsh lessons they have to learn quickly if we are to stay up. It was a game we played poorly in yet we were winning until the sending off that changed the game. The team have to grind out results when they are not playing well but instead got hit by two sucker punches. We have lost two very good players in Roberts and Barry. Haven't replaced Barry and need to replace Roberts with a quality player within budget.

Coley see's Cav nearly everyday and entrusts him with the Captaincy. If he didn't have leadership qualities then Coley would take the armband off him. I for one am looking forward to him being fit again.

C'mon Stanley!

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maverick you're right that hardly any of the squad had played in the league.
perhaps this is where the problem lies??? a bit of experience may not have gone amiss.....but on a positive note most of the squad have aquitted themselves very well.

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I was at Chester on the opening day and left in no doubt that the club would struggle. With their unimpressive pre - season I didn't expect Chester to be more than typical League 2, but Chester were physically very strong and seemed more effective.

So pessimistic was I after that and subsequent results that I went to Notts County in preference to a prior commitment because it was the best league ground I expected to see Stanley play at - and probably only once.

After Wrexham. our narrow late victories over Boston and Wycombe appeared to confirm the illusion that the FES was our fortress but I thought they were both the better sides on the day. Against Swindon we failed to capitalise on a good first half performance.

Against that background I was dismayed to see Gary go to Ipswich.

We are going to have to hope that Shaun Whalley and Leighton McGivern cut the mustard. We are only 4 points above the drop zone and I expect Steve Evans to keep Boston up.

:( :( :(

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How true this statement is after today, who would allow a clause that lets one of our best leave on loan for a month and add a 50% split with alty if a transfer goes through to be written into a contract. :confused:

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talk about taking my quote out of its perspective!!!! :(:(:(

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Thought you would like that, it wasn't personal I was making the point that I think maybe Eric dropped a ball when drawing up Craneys contract.

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Most of the players probably have these clauses in their contracts! You really think a club of our size can stand in the way of a player when bigger and better things come along?

If Eric didn't write that into his contract he may have never signed for us! (it did take us a few attempts to get him if you remember) 50% of a transfer deal is better that sweet FA

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2 words

Eric

Ormerod

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Do you not think that we are not going to ask both Ipswich and Cardiff for sell on clauses in the transfer of Ian and Gary - you bet we are!!!

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I don't think we'll be asking Cardiff for anything other than extended loan periods......Ian's gone to Swansea!!!