Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

I know this site is read by Clr Britcliffe & Co as well as officers of the Council. I had the temerity to post something controversial and was reported by the Tories.

Stanley; There are several issues going on here.

1) Secondly, the development money. The Council owns the land. Stanley have a 25 year lease which they have legally an option to renew. Stanley want a new ground and know the Council can only get a receipt if Stanley agree. Stanley want a proportion. 'Rumours' suggest half. The receipt would be £millions. The Crown ground has no protectve covenant on it. Problems are mounting around the ground and there seems to be an tipping point where Stanley would prefer to invest good money into a good facility, not patch up the current one. A very active Accrington Stanley Residents group has been set up that monitors the clubs activities in the neighbourhood.

2) Firstly, politically. Clr Britcliffe views Stanley as a vote winner. It demonstrates how well the twon is thriving under his stewardship. It gves a feel good factor agianst, in reality, a lot of disncontent with his/the Council. In order to cash in on Stanley's success politically, they were given the freedom of the Borough. One of 10 only. All this came with front page headlines just before an election and promises of more headlines and celebrations later. Maybe Eric Whalley has worked out he is just a pawn?

3) The main reason. Censored. Legal reasons. ... Eric Whalley has taken offence at the Council for the way it has conducted some financial affairs. I believe Eric Whalley and the club are wrong and for once, Clr Britcliffe is right to take a stand, though I heard he was going to back off until the legal department stepped in.

4) Stanley served alcohol against the Football Grounds Act in a pre-season friendly... rest is censored.... The Council got involved, there was a 'difference of opinion'. And as a by product, the Licensing Manager resigned. This was on the back of an illegal fair that took place in the summer whch the Council should have closed down because Stanley didn't bother to acquire a licence and there were serious doubts that the public were actually insured who entered. The Council is the responsible body for Public Enterainment Licences as well so there was another issue there.

This is a our own local 'cash for peerages' scandal. The Freedom of the Borough was offered as a way to buy votes. Bill Turner said as much in the Telegraph.

The new ground situation should have started back in April with informal, sensible, all interested parties, discussions on feasabilities. It didn't. Stanley were short sighted, Clr Britcliffe politically motivated. 'Other issues' over took (that's issue 3 plus the ASRA). Two big ego's, no long term thinking and the net result is one having a go at the other. Neither can say what it is really about for legal reasons so the ground and lesser issues are being battered about, genuine, but not the main reasons.

Sorry I can't post the full story...

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A lot of this started with the council signing a 3 year sponsorship deal for the front of stanleys shirts in the 03/04 season, a deal they then renaged on after only 1 season, when discontent was shown at the council putting their money into the football club and not into the town.

I'll hold my hands up and say I know very little about the current wranglings but sufficed to say, most councils do all they can for their local football clubs as it brings in new revenue streams for the town, when their football club is successful. Our council however seem too interested in arguing and not at all interested in doing to help the forward movement of the town as well as the football club.

As far as the residents association near the ground is concerned, I understand what most of the residents are complaining about, traffic congestion, parking ect. But what I don't understand is their persistant complaints about noise coming from the football ground on match days.

The ground has been there since 1968, granted the crowds have never been as big as they are now, and recently musical instruments have been used to help improve the atmosphere at the ground. I can understand the noise from the drum being a problem on evening matches, parents with kids ect, but on saturdays at three o'clock in the afternoon I don't see how this is a problem. At the end of the day unless you moved into your home prior to 1968, you moved into your house knowing that you were moving in next to a football ground. What were you expecting?!!! Or were you just part of the apathy that this town shows towards one of its biggest heritage attractions?

Most of these problems (apart from the apathy) would be eased by the relocation of the football club to more suitable premises with better access.

These are just my thoughts on what little I know about the current situation, and you're right the ego's on display here are larger than the borough itself!!!

Oh and just one more question, will peter britcliffe ever pay to come onto the ground for a football match or will he continue to filch free tickets for as long as he is able? Just a thought.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

The Council has two season tickets. These are normally taken up my Conservative Party members attending matches. I pay to go on though one or two Labour colleagues have used the tickets. I thought you couldnt transfer season tickets, may be it is a Council one?

The Council sponsored a game early season. I did go on that. I think there were about 7 councillors there. Myself and Bernard Dawson from our side of the politial fence. It's a difficult situation, using public money for councillors enjoyments and by and large I am against it. Stanley are important so it's which way do you go with these things.

I did say back in March we should be making some attempt to look at feasabilities of a new ground as these things can take several years before a brick is laid. Eric nor anyone was interested. Why now, what's different? A location has been mentioned. The reporter told me that the new location doing the rumours was 'Whitebirk'. This apparently came from a 'very reliable source'.

When you see the town being run by big ego's and nothing really improving (4 years talking about a bus station - 3 years talking about trafic in front of the town hall) it is sad.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

So why bother at all other than to stir it... dont use accrington stanley for politics fella :( its a football club ..


Read Rob Heys response in the Observer... Thats it.. stop using the club :(

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

How low can you get!!!! give us a little bit of information which puts the club in a bad light and then cause its ""censored"" you cant say anymore!!! bollox, you realise why the club dont want anything to do with the politics!!


Well done eric on not taking the award, Mr Jones and Britcliffe and the rest of your chums, get back on your free lunches as thats the only thing you seem to be good at!!!

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

As a fan I want to see Stanley progress. It won't while there is this type of bickering and it also drags the borough down.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Well your entitled to your opinion. Just wish you had thought a bit more before typing out a meaningless contribution.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

I’m not sure I want to see this type of politicking affecting the club, particularly one that sets the Club against the borough are the reverse, if there is anything of merit in this then it should be settled behind closed doors in a professional manner, if it is to be discussed in the open then don’t place restrictions on your comments, same goes for the club.

You should all be working to raise public standards and the image of Accrington and that of the borough in general, both parties should be doing their utmost to bring in money and prosperity rather than drag the name of the club and the Borough through the ****. Isn’t there enough ****e thrown about as it is.

This is a time for the Borough to get behind the Club that brought Pride back to the people of Accrington,, by the same token Accrington Stanley Football Club should be doing its utmost to promote the town that give it it’s existence. For **** sake grow up and work together.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

exactly what i was thinking,but you put it much better doug.;)

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

I would suggest sending a letter to the Council under the Freedom of Information Act asking whether Accrington Stanley had any outstanding invoices owed to the Council older than 90 days, 180 days, 365 days, 550 days and 730 days.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

The last bit is good advice Doug. The reality of the situation is somewhat different unfortunately. Most people can see both sides locking horns for a good while.

I wish we were in control, all the stupidity would be brought to a swift end.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Now your saying stanley wont progress.. how long have you been a fan... they have progressed every year.

As a fan you shouldn't be using accrington stanley as a stick for your own ends.. your despicable :( you want people on your side then slag off the biggest thing in accy...

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why would we want to.. why are you muck spreading?

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

err if accrington stanley move to whitebirk accrington may eventualy loose their football team

teh way blackburn keep tryingto snatch up the surrounding areas trying to be a city it will eventualy happen that they snatch whitebirk so in teh long run accrington may well loose their team

just a thought that came into my head when somone said they are looking at whitebirk

i know the boarders say whitebirk is accrington but every person i know classes whitebirk as blackburn already anyway

not that i give two hoots about football especialy accrington stanley ( no offence ) but they way i see it is that in teh long run accrington stanley may only be accrington by name

ok if anyone would like to take us back on topic iem sur eit will be appreciated , just thinking out loud :)

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Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

whitebirk is a ludicrouse rumor

no one said that.. a reporter said they heard it as a rumor.... thats a far cry from reality isnt it ? :)


do they? whitebirk in blackburn.. end of mooterway or is there another whitebirk?


rather someone who doesnt care than someone who uses the club to try and make themselves look clever or to use as a stick to beat other candidates with :(

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Defintely not Accy, call it what you want but its not in Accy.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

you come across as a bit of a know all sometimes kipax whats the point in pulling him on the location of it, you get the picture of what he means

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

kimberly.. thanks for the insult :(.. but it was a genuine question.. i really have no ideas where the boundaries are... I am not a native as they say.

but like i say.. thanks for the insult :(

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Looks like yet another attempt at party politics to me. Very poor in my opinion.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

thankyou

i dont know anything about the team or pretend to infact if this post hadnt have started in general discusion i would never have seen it but it was and somone posted wether it be a rumour or not that accrington stanley were looking at whitebirk which made me think hang on the people who support and love stanley may or may not want to have their team in what is essentialy blackburn infact if it was moved so far away it could effect attendance numbers etc

anyway i dont belong in ths section it kinda feels like ime wearing somone elses underwear so ime off to gen discusion and anything goes :D

ps:

no harm no foul mr kipax but your post did come across as nit picking , i guess like msn you can type things meaning it one way but can get read another way by somone else

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

I think the mix up with whitebirk is that half of the industrial estate falls in blackburn with darwen control and the other half (where pc world, comet, csl etc are) fall under hyndburn control.... but def not accy!! more like rishton... Rishton stanley??? nah don't think so, lol

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

try not to slam the door on yer way out eh...

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Exactly. We would have assumed that whatever differences the local Labour & Tories have, they would have a concensus on the value to the town of Stanley. Instead of agreeing on how Accy/Hyndburn can best benefit from utilising to the upmost this great asset, we see them playing their own pathetic game of party political football.

I really do despair.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

haaa right i think the mixup is someone saying whitebirk part of accy when they meant part of hyndburn.. unless they where doing it for effect... gosh would they? :)

It still seems a long way off where I thought hyndburn ended..

But at the end of the day it was a rumor heard by a journolist and not someone actually saying the club was looking at whitebirk as chav1 is twisting it..

did anyone see rob heys bit in the observer about people using the club as a political football.. and the very same day g.gones does exactly that on the internet.... sad.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

as far as the politicians are concerned they all can shove off. I'm not getting involved in politics as I told Mr Jones last time what I thought of his idea and using the club as a pawn.

As for Whitebirk, I hope that it stays rumour only. If this club moves away from Accrington there will be no road back if it ever goes belly up. Stanley NEED to remain as close to the community it serves as possible. it is a community club and relies on people popping in and out all the time. It will rely on its bar takings and they will become negligible if the club moves to the sticks. Anyway whats the point in arguing about? Eric reckons the ground can sustain one more promotion yet and that looks further away every time I look at the league table and what we can afford in wages. It aint gonna happen yet!

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

kimberly-clark is good at insults! does`nt like anyone else with an opinion. wants to censor you`re views, what paper you are allowed to read etc.beware

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I very rarely say this but I 101% support Peter Britcliffe in taking the stance the Council is taking. He is totally right and the victim in all this. He may have made injudicious decisions at the start, votes for honours, but he has supported Stanley more than any other Council Leader. It is important than someone speaks up for Peter besides himself. That should tell you something is seriously wrong Kipax for me to say that.

Owners come and go. Accrington Stanley is the fans and the players and they have done nothing wrong so there is no muck spreading about Stanley. There may be two big ego's but this is about right and wrong.

Ceefax are currently carrying the story.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Victim? you drama queen :)

he is running a football club.. he has done it well enough to get us into the football league...


poppycock! eric whalley owns accrington stanley and he has kept his promise to the fans..he said football league in 5 years and we got it... YOU on the other hand have done what? slagged the club off.. got nowehere.. so now slagging the chairman off.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Kippax, I have had it virtually from the horses mouth.

I agree 100% with Peter actions in the last month or so so how I am gaining by suporting him? Surely the logical vote winner was to back Eric and inflict more damage on Peter?? You don't make any sense.

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And not a question of right and wrong? So should it be swept under the carpet?? In the last month or so, Peter has been 100% right, and he has been advised by the borough's solicitors.

Have you just skimmed through the thread?

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Whats that a quote feom the S*n. Owners do not come and go players do. Eric has worked bloody hard for Stanley and without him the Town won't have a football club, you know the one all you polticians hang to the coat tails of. You maybe don't like what he is doing behind the scenes but I would like to bet its for the good of Accrington Stanley and not Hyndburn council. That would be the same council that pulled out of sponsorship for the club, that would be the same council that held up planning permission when the club was trying to expand, that would be the same council that no one would know about without Stanley. Why not stick to what you get your nice little council earning for and leave Eric to do what he does best which is what is best for Stanley. Its not called Hyndburn Stanley its called Accrington Stanley.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

What an idiot Tealeaf. If your smart enough you'll work out whose in the wrong and as I said, Peter in the last month has ben 100% right & innocent.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

you said you heard it from a journolist who said it was a rumor they heard..

now your changing it to virtually (but not) from the horses mouth..

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

so you slag off the club.. get nowehere so turn on the chairman.

you post saying you heard from one source then when your laughed at you change it to the horses mouth


then to top it all when someone disagrees with you.. you call them an idiot..


whats the point.... why are you using accrington stanley like this.... will you be at macclesfield tommorow?

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

That was to have sensible discussions about the future of a ground back in March. Something Eric himself has now put on the table recently.

I hear what your trying to suggest but unfrtunately the Council can't stay out of Stanley's affairs. It owns the ground, it licenses the alcohol and it licences the entertainment. The County Council has to give a safety certicficate sofans like yourself are safe. And this particular argument is Eric acusing the Council of not doing enough for club.

It' s hard to see what point your trying to make?

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Isnt there a politics section mister jones and all the rest can go bore each other to death in ? :)

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

It would appear what ever is said, you'll defend Stanley. I worked out who might have told the journalist and asked.

No, it was an insult based on no evidence by Tealeaf and he has a dogmatic political issue he can't get over. I have said many times that I grew up listening to people in power talk rubbish and take advantage of others. Too many people just sit on the fence for their own benefit. I am not one of them. I am not bothered about votes. I am only interested in the truth and I won't be put off by people who want to see it a particular way.

I am not frightened of the truth. No, I won't be at Macclesfield. I have always been a Rovers fan/season ticket holder like my dad, grandad, great grandad.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

I for one Kipax am interested in this thread and don't find it boring, it's just missing a few more details Mr Jones. I don't like Mr Britcliffe and I also think Eric Whalley can do little else for Stanley's future other than find someone to invest in the club. As my signature says "The Chairman" is not the club.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

IMHO Britcliffe and Eric Whalley are past their sell by date.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

I personally think moving to bloody whitebirk would be as good as tightning the hangman's noose on this great club. It's not or never will be Accrington.

I stand by accy centre as a feasable relocation site due to the amount of plus factors.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Sounds like wishful thinking.

Big egos?

This is not the place for you to make such comments for your own political means.
You will find no support here.
Eric has done more for this town than any councillor, and, as you will no doubt find if horns do become locked, has more respect around here than britcliffe or any of his sycophants.

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I personally stand by beleif that the desire to be a politition should stop you from ever becoming one!!

Even a lying one Mr Jones. What person who takes part in election based politics isn't interested in votes. I can't stand the lot of you.

Leave or club out of your petty, but well paid arguments, find something else to do!!!

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

The council owns the ground and surrounding land. Then why are we doing all the work improving it?

From what I can see the Council do nothing, apart from having a civil ceremony to honour the clubs promotion. They should be up here all year round - weedkilling, tree trimming, maintaining the roads and footpaths - don't forget there are 200 - 1200 visiting fans coming every other week.

The council has made a big deal of tarmacing the car park. They should tarmac the car park, all the way around the ground and the aproach road. They own the bloody thing don't they.

In my opinion the council should be falling over themselves to help the club, Accrington Stanley, is the towns biggest asset - it brings awareness, to the borough and income to the town, I also think it can also attract business's to the borough of Hyndburn as a whole. (that's if the council don't scare them off).

The council should be using the name Accrington Stanley, football league club, to sell the borough of Hyndburn to potential investors, and in return help promote the club to the general Hyndburn public.

If you go anywhere in the world, where there are British people, after hearing where you are from they always say Accrington Stanley.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Stanley fan or Rovers fan, political double speak, says a lot really one breath your a Stanley fan next your a rovers fan.

Let me see....
I go to Stanley because they are my home town team and I have always been a supporter.......
I go to Rovers because I have always been a Rovers Fan......

Now
I go to Stanley because I need to be seen as a local supporter for my constituants.
I go to Rovers because I am a Rovers fan....

see it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out, your a rovers fan using Stanley for your own gains. It has been on the national news so a possability of getting noticed? Only intrested in the truth, lol, they all say that even George W.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Mr Jones,

First of all calling your potential voters idiots is not a great way of you gaining any kind of support is it!

Secondly, lets face it coming on a messageboard declaring your 'censored' so-called views is all about getting yourself known to the locality isn't it? i.e. the press. The fans of Accrington are not stupid, they are not used to the kind of Premiership dealings that you are used to watching at Rovers and appreciate the trust they have in the team both on and off the pitch as that is more important than anything.

You are not excelling yourself in any decent way to them as fellow constituents and if you had wanted to you would have held meetings with them either at Residents Meetings at the Club or through the club itself. There is no need whatsoever to come on here trying to disrupt what is a great club with great employees, fans and players.

I shall finish with saying that I am sure the football club will be here for a very long time after you have been beaten in the polls, let alone elections!!!

Also:

(From previous post by yourself) 'I wish we were in control, all the stupidity would be brought to a swift end.'

If that comment is not after people voting for you then I don't know what it is!

You should know better! I'm sure you will get your moment in the spotlight though Mr Jones, but I don't think Stanley fans will pay much attention to it!

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Just to clarify things Mr Jones ... Whats The Whole Point Of This Thread? What have you gained from it??

Never heard of you before now and dont want to here from you again unless you say something worth saying,
but then again i cant say what i think of you because i will censor it :D

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Whatever is going on behind the scenes, though I'd rather know the full story, rather than these sensationalist, cryptic snippets,
appearing to be slagging off Accrington Stanley and the borough's voters, as well as aligning yourself with Mr Britcliffe, seems ill advised, and doesn't seem to have garnered you much support here.


Just realised what all those bloody spin doctors do! They stop politicans making too much of a cock up.


Good luck in the elections.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

imho.................... as a fan, if there is any more to your story than what you are insinuating, I would rather read it in the press when it has got to court. I think that what you posted Mr Jones is nothing short of slander and that the clubs solictors should take you to court over what inferences you have made.

As a fan, and I mean a Stanley fan and a real one at that, I want to see my club succeed. By whatever means that entails. As an asset to the borough, and you cannot dispute that, the local borough council should not at any point attempt to disparage it.

I am glad you say you are not interested in votes because when I and other Stanley fans have finished assinating your character you will not have a political career left.

I have thought hard about whether to respond further to this thread because it is potentially damaging whether there is any substance to your 'story' or not. But I cannot let an upstart like yourself carry on with what appears to be venomous, self-opinionated crap. I will also take that further and say to all those Stanley fans who keep on harping on about the bad things that Stanley has to offer, shut the **** up. Can you not see the harm you are doing? Every bad comment loses another fan.


Yes there are problems at the club. We are working them out one at a time

Yes there are problems with Google Page Ranking. Eric will yes sir to nobody, an dI for one am glad he is there.

Yes we have a crap team team at the moment. So what? Do we support Stanley just to glory hunt? No.




Graeme Jones, for the last time sling your blue and white hook, you and your Blackburn based, spin doctoring, political, male cow manure are not wanted on a Stanley forum. ASFC will be around a hell of alot longer than you will be.



See you in the press you loser.

Quote me

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Some comments need a response;

1) Eric Whalley went to the press and blew this all up. What did he expect as a response, silence?

2) Politics with Stanley. All I ever said was to think about options/possibilities for a new ground, nothing more, nothing else. Straight forward common sense. Eric now says the same. Stanley are a big asset and a new ground is important. Suitability, access, status, facility etc.. Stanley are a vital part of Accrington/Hyndburn. They played a part in securing (with Rovers and Burnley) a £23m employment/education grant from governement last week.

3) Rovers; My family always went to Rovers, myself from 74. To suggest that all Rovers fans and Burnley fans in the Borough are not interested in Stanley is plain daft. 3,000 fans out of 35,000 Accrington residents may attend a match. Does that mean 32,000 are not Stanley fans and/or wish the club ill? A lot more than the 3,000 who go care about Stanley I am sure including many Rovers (David Dunn) and Burnley fans.

4) Peel Ward/The Council. Came back from the pub last night, people who SEE and KNOW me are very happy. I work hard for this area and tell the truth. They appreciate that. They don't want a nodding dog as a ward councillor, that's the main comment I get told all the time, "keep going Graham, a few of them up there in their office's need challanging". ... Accrington Stanley is synonmous with this ward/area and it is where the history of Stanley is. We are working towards making the old ground more informational due to the numbers of visitors who pass by to see it. If you are as enthusiastic as you say you are, please contact myself or Sue at the Peel Park pub. I'll be counting the dedicated Stanley fans who volunteer.

5) If you say things that have no thought, basis or fact, and you do it continually then that's idiotic. If you want someone to tell you everything you want to hear, simply vote for the other guy, I am not a politician and have always said that. This is about a better Hyndburn, less spin and dishonesty, more tolerance and effort.

6) My opinion and we do have freedom of speech. Someone mentioned censorship (what sort of country are we living in?). Eric is wrong on this one (and I back Peter Bricliffe), furthermore, going to the press and turning down the FoB over this seperate legal issues is childish. I have no idea where the promotion bit comes in on this particular argument other than a character reference for Eric.

7) The adminstrator moved this thread to the Stanley Forum.

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I have read all this forum now, and like any other politician, you come across as someone who tells porkies for their own ends.
If you were born in Accrington, you would support everything about the town, hell I have taken stick over the years when I was abroad between '69 and '86 but I wanted the best for the club. If you and your father/grandfather have been season ticket holders for years, then it is the likes of your family that killed the old Stanley.
Secondly, in another thread you state you are not a politician just a person standing up for the people of Accrington! Well in my book, the fact you stand for any party regardless of the colour of your flag/symbol means you are a politician and muck spreading is your game. For gods sake stop coming on our thread and slagging of the true supporters of Accrington Stanley and the Chairman and board and players and management and stick to your normal game. This board is for true reds (like the colour of the County Rose) not imitation/wannabe MP's or councillors. As others have said, when the Borough Council get behind Accrington Stanley then you can have your say. BTW what did you do for the other borough football team R.I.P. Great Harwood Town 'nuff said

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

As not only a ward councillor, but as leader of the Labour group on Hyndburn Borough Council, I'd have thought any sensible person would have been interested in any potential voters. The only politicans who aren't bothered about votes are dictators.

I've reread this thread and am at a loss at what you hoped was to be gained by starting this it.

You say you aren't afraid of sitting on the fence, but a lot what you have posted is so cryptic that I fear you should go to A & E to have a fence post removed. Either post the full story or don't, all this innuendo is just causing damage, both to the club and your own chanced of ever being leader of the council.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

So if we don't contact you we are not enthusiastic? nice touch, makes you look like you really care what happens. You mention they don't want a nodding dog, why then are you not an independent? you do as your told by your party as does the other moron Bircliffe. As has been said beore why start this thread if it wasn't to get back at Eric, what have you gained? My ward are behind me, why not canvas the whole ward and not just people who know you. Do you know how many vistors pass by to see it or are you talking about the Peel Park pub? bit different that.
Like was said earlier stick to politics and leave Stanley alone, you and Bircliffe are using Stanley for your own ends to garner votes, if you haven't worked out yet that picking on Stanley will do the opposite for both of you.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

Look. I accept the criticism. End of story. I have read all the comments and see where people are coming from.

I know you are being unfair in some of the comments, that's life and I can see people also being very proud of Stanley. It's a good thing there is some pride in Accy.

The dust will eventually settle.

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

I believe the street term is .... do one

Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

you attack the club.. then attack eric whalley and now your back peddling when you find you have half of accy hating you...... i thought your posts where bad but then to not have the guts to stand by them is even worse :(

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Re: Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough
 

There is no back peddling. Peter Britcliffe is right. Eric's attack on him was disgraceful. It was plain you have your view, a different one, I respect that. Peter is keeping out of it to avoid criticism, I am NOT. Eric started playing politics in the press. I am not accepting the crap that was written.

I have a responsibility to make sure the Council's/the publics assets are looked after. I am doing my job and also standing by people who are under pressure from Eric. To be totally honest, you don't know what's going on.

If we are in control in May I would like to see the Supporters Club brought on board to 'oversee' what is happening. It could be exciting times for the club, but the current situation is unacceptable and has knocked back progress.

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I dont have any view on whats going on.. All I know is that your in here causing trouble and slagging off the accrington stanley chairman who has done so much for the club and this town.. not the celeverest thing you have done..

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Residents meetings with the club take place already.

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hahahaha .....apart from the obvious re the supporters club....what chance have you got of winning anything in may after this... this thread will be coming back up when its time to vote...... its all going to come back and haunt you...

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Your right in one sense. I am here to express an opinion on the Accrington Stanley Chairman who has started a political row. If he is going to give stick, he has to accept he is going to receive it. Don't throw stones in greenhouses.

The other sense of course is standing up for what's right (IMO) and protecting the Council's assets.

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What im going to ask is gonna put the cat among the pigeons but........ what actually has Eric Whalley done for the TOWN ? we know what he's done for the club & the players:D

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accymel... if it needs explaining :(

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but he isnt in here is he... just you attacking him...

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It would probably be beneficial if there was a frank and clear discussion.

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I think for point of arguement it does actually ? I know what he has done for Accrington Stanley btw:D

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I am sorry. Eric launched a newspaper article against the council and Peter Britcliffe. It contained inacuracies.

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then argue back in the newspaper instead of making accusations on a messageboard :(

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Does that mean anything that appears in the papers shouldn't be discussed in here ?

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I think your right in the sense of a more open debate. The trouble is, it is in the hands of solicitors, and you are aware of the situation when that occurs.

Like I said in March?
1) Stanley should look at the feasability of a new ground compared to renovating the Crown

And I would add a second view...
2) In the current situation, it would be beneficial if the supporters club were involved in the discussions somehow. I can see much more progress for the club if that was to happen instead of the childish politiking that has dogged the discussions. I have not been involved in those discussions but get told second hand.

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no why would it...???

mister jones here said he is doing all this because eric should expect a response because of what was in the paper.... i am saying the response should be in the paper.. not that it shouldnt be discussed...

yes? :)

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good grief man :(

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:Banane26: :Banane26: :Banane26:vote for fraser the eagle i think we should get him to stand in the local elections :D :D :D :D :D might get more sense..


on a serious note i think if stanley move to whiteberk their wont be an accy stanley for long :mad:

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look at the post.. its a rumour by a journolist... why would you even think its possible? club has refuted it anyways :)

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good... anyway i would believe u before im anyway

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How come every post by mr jones is edited by him after he has posted it ???

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"EVERY" is a journalists comment by the way..

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:rofl38:

I wouldnt like stanley to move to whitebirk anyways as far as im concerned its blackburn not hyndburn, but as fishy site has said they cant see it being likely.

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Whatever the final decision on the move Accrington Stanley is a town football club and should be situated at the heart of the town or at least as close as possible to the centre, if that’s not possible then it should certainly be within the town’s boundaries.

I think the fishy sites Statement should now take precedent and these dim quotes of bollock sweat should be left to pass into those dark dank areas of Accyweb that we dare not go……

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Will you all be boycotting the Accrington Observer, after all they are the ones who printed the story :D

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I dont get it any way except if theres a good reason:rolleyes:

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Dave it's a news paper like all others, I buy it, read it, when I'm poor I wipe my arse on it, but I would never take it as gospel. :)

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Well thats got more use than the Blackburn Comic aka Lancashire Telegraph :D

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Even better, I take an 80 mile round trip for the pleasure.......:)

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Councillor Jones, do you not think we have enough problems with our poor run of results, precarious league position, falling gates and seemingly never-ending list of injuries, without you coming on here and stirring the s**t?

This afternoon, I have watched eleven lads play their hearts out with passion, spirit and a never-say-die attitude and I was privileged to do it with 200+ other Stanley loyalists. And, quite frankly, that means more to me than all your nasty, underhand political tactics.

You say you're a Rovers fan, councillor Jones. Well, go and post on their site because you are certainly not welcome here.

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Mr Jones, if it contained inaccuracies, then I could understand your stance.

But inacuracies ? what are they?

Yoy arr a compleete ferking winker, and an illiterate one too ! adios

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I was under the impression that this thread was started because of something Eric Whalley has done or not done. Lets get this matter into court then we can discuss the real facts, until then Mr Jones you will be wasting your time discussing with people who are totally blinkered to anything Eric Whalley related.

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Can I just clear up a minor point on this thread. Whitebirk has always been in Hyndburn and the border is the river that runs by then new Eastern area Police Headquarters. All the industrial estate on the right (heading towards Preston and before the railway bridge belongs to HBC. Always has done always will do. BUt and this is a big BUT, The club belongs to Accrington not Hyndburn, therefore, we need to stay within the boundaries of the town including the districts of SpringHill, Huncoat, Clayton, Church, Oswaldtwistle, Baxenden and Altham. Outside any of these districts and the identity would disappear rapidly.. BTW this all came about by meddling politicians in London - now where have I heard that before???

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I agree. There's is not much that is going to change in the thread. People are RIGHT to get uptight about critcism of the club and they are right to have a pop. It's a free country, we have free speech.

If the truth comes out it will all turn on it's head, so I am not concerned. I have yet to meet anyone aware of all the facts who does not share a similar view to me. One or two who have become aware now have a completely different perspective. And they are comfortable that I am in difficult circumstances taking the moral highground.

Peter is right, Eric is wrong. Eric started the dirty politics period, Eric can end it with an apology and an acceptance of the Freedoom of the Borough and stop playing politics in other matters. I am using freedom of speech to back Peter. I'll just have to tough the criticism out.

On the point of Accringtonianism and directly related to this matter I would say this; Seeing as my great grandad, whom I knew and loved, was on the Somme carrying off dead and injuried bodies, and my Aunts father was gassed at Ypres, I was disgusted with Eric and see it as a personal insult on my family and this town the way he turned down the Freedom of the Borough the way he did. More than anything else, Eric's insult on this was just too much.

I think there needs to be further developments before posting again.

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Er, I don't think so. For several hundred years it was in Blackburn.

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Good grief man. really? can you get any lower than this... your clutching at straws and starting to embarress yourself.. show some dignity and walk away now :(

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We don't agree very often Kipax, but I have to agree with you this time. This latest statement from Jones is nothing more than attention grabbing rhetoric. Absolutely disgusting and an insult to anyone referenced.

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In the midst of a heated and sometimes viscious thread you can always find a classic post :D

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Mr Jones what a below the belt response im sure many people can say that about their grandfathers & they'd be insulted to be brought into a cheap shot arguement thats irrelevant.

So what if Eric turned down the freedom of the Borough...... does he have to accept it?!?! Thats upto Eric to accept or turn down the offer as he has well thats life get on with it.

To be honest i admire teh defending of the club erm eric fan club but really this tittle tattle as to this thread is a bit nonscence & really the concentration should be upon our club teams shaky defence !!

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Well put Kipax.

With every post Councillor Jones makes himself more ridiculous, he's everything I've come to expect from a politician. If he can't supply the full facts maybe he should have kept his gob shut.

I think Rob's statement on the Fishy site is a well written and dignified response from the club, and shows a lot of qualities that have been sadly lacking in Councillor Jones' posts.

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is it really councillor jones or is it an imposter:confused: at least eric has saved us some council tax money by refusing the councillors a junket and free meal:D :D :D :D :D :D

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All

This does the club or the town no good. I do a Podcast on the web which covers Football in General but one part of the show is the Stanley watch. What do you think the majority of the feature will cover this week, you guys have given me soo much amunition it is silly. I am from accrington and very proud to be form the town, i now for work reasons live abroad. this is the public face of the club and the town which is being shown to the world mud slinging in public will only do everyone harm. I will probably brush over this in my show but what about others looking for this weeks easy story????

Jacko

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Nobody had posted to this for 2 days.. it was a dead subject until you ressurected it... just to tell us not to post in it....ooh the irony eh:(

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Sorry Kipax but this is not a dead subject it will come back mark my words.:(