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Not sure if it's worth posting, because I'm sure that I'll get grief, however I need to express my thoughts!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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What has been achieved will shortly be confined to history and no doubt will be the subject of a Granada documentary, sometime in the near future. IMHO we are currently on the crest of the second demise of the Stanley!<o:p></o:p>
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Through ignorance, arrogance and down right incompetence the Chairman and manager are returning this club to non-league obscurity.<o:p></o:p>
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Don't blame the fans who stand in the rain, don't blame the sponsors, who pay ridiculous sums of money for poor facilities, don't blame the directors, who are nothing more the mere token representatives of club, don't blame the council and don't blame the press.<o:p></o:p>
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We have failed to seize commercial advantage of heritage by fully exploiting the name of Accrington Stanley. This in turn with poor marketing and facilities leaves the population of Accrington at home, with nothing more the curiosity as to the Stanley results on Saturday teatime. <o:p></o:p>
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Our talented players have been sold and not replaced, nor will they be if Asda offers better T&C’s.<o:p></o:p>
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One piece of advice to the powers at be!……Accept mistakes have been made, allow other people to assist and advice, make changes immediately to resolve our current status, otherwise All the efforts of so MANY people will count for nothing, other than history!!<o:p></o:p>
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Mr. Whalley and Mr. Coleman have taken the applause and the accolades, well it's now time to stand-up and be accountable, take the criticism and do something about it!!<o:p></o:p>
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God bless the name of Accrington Stanley!<o:p></o:p>
Amen<o:p></o:p>

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your probably right but at least we might get a roof out of it not holding my breath

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Redskin IMHO you have just produced the post of the year so far, cheers for having the balls to do so while certain other supporters bury their heads until it's to late.

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Amen to that Bagpuss - keep on preaching Redskin

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Wrong

Without JC we'd be still playing FRICKLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Take off the blinkers and read the post again it does have good points that should be taken on board.

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A lot of the critisicism is utter rubbish to be honest. People make it out like Whalley could've made shedloads with some proper merchandising etc

He has two other shops, one of which brings in tourists from far and wide, selling Accrington Stanley gear. To merchandise properly, you'd have to put money into it, and money is one thing we'll never really have. Just because we've sold a couple of players, people suddenly think we're loaded and Eric is being a skin flint, he's not, he's just being careful.

God Bless Eric,cart on with what you're doing, and to be honest, just ignore most of the bollocks that gets posted on here.

And as for Coleman, the man is a God, he lives and breathes Accrington Stanley, he's never steered the club wrong before, and I don't think he'll do it now.

I wasn't at the Notts Home Game, so can't comment on the performance. I was however at the Wrtexham game, and if we can emulate that perfomance a few more times, we'll be reet as rain.

We'll stay up, and people will moan about other things next seaon.

I mean, what did you expect when we won promotion on gates of less than 2k? Did you think we'd bulldoze the league? Just be realistic, this is the situation anybody thinking straight would've predicted.

If we go down, so what? At least we've done what people thought impossible by getting here in the first place.

I'm sure somebody will tell me I've got my head buried in the sand or something along those lines, but I couldn't care less. Get behind the Club, don't try tripping them up with critisism at every given oppurtunity.

Rant over

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well said diesel

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IF we are relegated, that doesn't mean to obscurity of non league. It means back to the conference where we can sort out the team and try to come back again stronger...

Why moan about JC and EW. We owe them gratitude for being in the league right now.

KEEP THE FAITH!!!

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Have you ever thought that some people can only do so much before they are out of their depth ? Maybe EW and JC are now out of their depth. EW said that his ambition was to get Stanley into the league and then hand over control to someone else. Well he has got Stanley into the league but not handed over control. What is his next move - get Stanley back into the Conference ? We all know what EW and JC have done for the club but that is in the past, we are now in the present and looking to the future. The club will not have a future if people keep bringing the past into the present. Some of you say "so what if we get relegated". Look at the teams that have been relegated, Scarborough - where are they ? Rushden & Diamonds - where are they ? Cambridge - where are they ? These teams are not on their way back. If Stanley go down again it will be Stanley ? Who are they ? We are a Football League club and if we don't get our act together and behave like a Football League club we are off to obscurity, then you can all enjoy yourselves at Frickley again. Wake up and behave like supporters of a Football League club and worry about getting relegated. IT DOES MATTER.

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Jeff,

I'm a supporter of Accrington Stanley. Not just a league club.
It's great that we're in the league but it's not the end of the world if we get relegated.

I'm struggling to be overly optimistic right now but I certainly don't think we'll drop into obscurity whatever happens this season.

I think too many people are blaming Coley for our troubles when the fact of the matter is that our budget isn't really enough to support a league side.

This will all change of course when I become the record breaking lottery winner!!!

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But we MUST look forward.

OK, it's not the end of the world if we are relegated - but it is a huge setback. What of the future if we are relegated? Do we then strive to back into League 2, struggle on and off the field (low attendance, poor results etc etc), accept relegation again. We are then in a cycle from which there is no exit.

The situation now is that we are in the League - and must do all that we can to stay there. We must continue to be ambitious - and, in reality, that means looking ahead - not back. At every level in the club, we need individuals and systems that look forward and can take us forward.

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Growler,

I am a supporter of Accrington Stanley. Not a laughing stock. Which is what we will become if we get relegated. Why do you keep saying "it's not the end of the world if we get relegated" ? I bet supporters of Boston, Mansfield, Macclesfield, Torquay, etc. don't have that attitude. Of course it's the end of the world if we get relegated, it's the end of the world as we know it now. We don't want to get relegated we want to stay where we are, by hook or by crook. Stop laying down and accepting defeat.

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Got to admit I am getting sick of seeing that.. even moreso from some people I would least expect it from... and from people who maybe shouldn't say it no matter what given there positions and from people who have waited a lot longer than I have to be here..

I know some say it was more fun in non league and for me it certainly was... But I wouldn't wish it back on us.. I think staying in this league will be as big an achievement as getting here and it will take a massive effort from ALL of us.. lets not be defeated with 20 games to go eh :)

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HERE HERE, I must admist I am one of those that isn't too bothered about if we have to go down. The other teams mentioned would be going down to a level they are not accustomed to and cannot afford to be at, that is why teams struggle to return. We however would not have to cut much cloth in order to save a few quid, we would be in a much stronger position than most who go down.

However I would obviously rather be a league club, 57 points to play for yet and it aint over. Come on you reds

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If you aren't too bothered if we go down this season then last season you obviously weren't too bothered if we went up.

Are you not bothered if we win, are you not bothered if we lose, are you not bothered if we draw. What do you want ? Just to go the the Stanley and not be bothered. If so then why bother.:)

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macca.... your the chairman of the supporters club man.. ya may need to keep some things to yourself :)

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You've got to be able to accept the bad times as well as the good times and there's no harm in being prepared for the worst while hoping and praying for the best. That's all. We've been the subject of mirth for longer than I've been a Stanley fan. We can take it!

Kipax, the only people I don't want sharing my views are the players...

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I was there when we went out of the league nearly 45 years ago, I make a round trip of nearly100 miles to every home game and I read that the chairman of the Supporters' Club isn't bothered if we go down! Why do I bother?

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well thats not going to be easy when all they read on here is sack the chairman, sack the manager and unbelievably sack rob heys... then top that with loads of people saying its ok if we go back down...

there sorta swimming agsinst the flow after reading that lot from accy stanley fans :(

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Sometimes I'm absolutley gob smacked with what people come up with on this forum. But the recent trend to say it won't be too bad if we get relegated tops the lot.

How any supporter of a football club can come out with these sentiments is genuinley beyond me. With the attitude that "what will be will be" the club will struggle to survive. Negativity is like a cancer, we all need to strive to be positive in times like this - it's that attitude that helped teams like Bury and Torquay to survive. We must not get relegated and we must all believe that we will not get relegated.

The Wrexham performance demonstrated what this team is capable of and we as supporters need to inspire our team to repeat that performance throughout the remainder of the season. If that happens we will not get relegated.

Believe...

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I'm not saying it's ok if we go down, I'm just saying I'll still give them the same support and enthusiasm as I did when they were moving UP the league. Believe me, I would be seriously p***ed off but I'm not ready to start moaning at JC or EW. I'm still grateful to them for making it possible for me to whitness Stanley in the league however long it lasts.

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I think my comments have been taken a little bit out of context. I stated my complete feelings in various other threads that are related to by Kipax saying about everybody this and that. Of course I want us to stay up and I said so in my post. I shout as loud as anybody else every matchday, I try to organise the OSC into showing their support in various different guises. If I wasn't as 'bothered' as people are making out then why would I spend hours upon hours of my own time doing the things I do? What I mean to say by not being 'bothered' is that isn't the end of the world. I don't want to keep up the doom and gloom but I have to respond to the criticism now being levelled at me.

Of course it will hurt if things go belly up, but the club will still be there, most of us will still be there and we will still be Accy Stanley. We bother because Accy Stanley is the club we love for lots of different reasons, for those that love the club we do so regardless of our stature, THATS WHAT I MEAN BY I DONT CARE. For those of you too ignorant to read beyond the words then it is pointless explaining any further

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What's there to be gobsmaked about. We're intelligent fans with an oppinion, not just mindless optimists. That doesn't make us any less loyal. If my posts are negative or demoralising then I'm sorry. Trust me, I really do want to see the reds creeping up League 2 next season.

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I do wish that the people who post replies on here would read beyond the first 10 words of the message they are replying to. I also wish that they would not put words into people's mouths. I do not keep saying "it's not the end of the world if we are relegated" - I've said it only once. It happens to be true. It's also true that it could be the end of the football world as we know it. What I went on to say, for the benefit of those who did not read on or who did not understand this, is that an up-and-down yo-yo existence is not what we want.

We MUST stay in the League - read again what I wrote in my previous post : "The situation now is that we are in the League - and must do all that we can to stay there. " It does not get much more positive than that. My worry, again expressed clearly (well, I thought it was clear!) in my original post, concerns those who keep looking back at what has been achieved. Of course the achievements are fantastic - but we must go on to higher things. That's ambition, that's being positive.

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F*&k*ng unbeliveable thread.......we have just had the best season in the history of this club. We are in the football league and all that it entails, next season with the new TV agreement we will get some real good money and the gap between the league and the conference will get wider.
All this talk about relegation should be on the other teams boards not ours, yes we are 3 from bottom, yes we are struggling, but thats football, one year up the next down, its not the end of the world. We could be Telford or Barrow or even Spouthport they would change places with us in a heartbeat. We have no control on what happens on a saturday, the only people that do are the players. JC doesn't kick the balls, Rob Heys or Eric don't, the only one that do are the players, they and they alone are what makes and breaks a football club. A mangers instructions are only good if they are carried out correctly. I am sure JC doesn't have a game plan to get players injured or sent off, also no player goes on the pitch and says I think I will have a stinker today, thats not an excuse its just a fact of life. Lets get behind the players and the management of this club, lets come together as one unit and I am sure we will stay up and only get better. Player respond to comments and if they hear a positive attitude from the supporters then they will respond in kind. Lets be more positive and think of the club and not petty digs at people who ae doing their best for Stanley.

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Unfortunately, people seem to use this forum to consistently "gripe" & pick holes in other forum users posts....

To say Rob wouldn't be bothered about Accy going down competely misses the point & to use his position as OSC Chairman as a stick to somehow beat him with is wrong

Look, we are all in this together, some optimistic some pessimistic, maybe we'll go down & maybe we won't. The main thought for me is that I'll still have a fantastic football club to feel proud of whatever happens.

What is sad is that we can't keep personal agenda's off the forum (ie Sack Rob Heys!!!!!!!). Everyone involved with ASFC I am sure are aware of the shortcomings but we all need to stop & look how far we have come in the last 6 years. Then stop & ALL try our best to repeat the process in the next 6.

Sack the "history makers" is just a hinderance

STAYING UP STAYING UP STAYING UP

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Well said [B]Willie[B].Macca shows the most amazing dedication and passion to the club that I have ever come accross. It was perfectly clear to this forumer as to what he was on about.Funny how people can read a different meaning into someones words.

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"Man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest", eh, John.

Glad to see people voicing their opinions, but do wish they'd put a bit more effort into trying to understand that it's not all black & white, and there's room for a nuance, here and there.

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thats why i said macca should keep some things to himself... .. i knew what he meant... i smiled when i wrote it....either that or do what others on this site do who are in official positions. make it clear in his sig that he isnt speaking as the chairman of the supporters club...

Rob can say some things that the chairman of the fishy supporters shouldnt... two diff people...You ahve to be ultra carefull what you say when your high up there...stick your head over the parapit and expect to be shot at :)

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whe I posted the exact same thing on a different thread, nobody picked up on my opinion or who said it. As soon as you pointed it out then othe rpeople have agreed and voiced opinion AGAINST ME rather than against my opinion. Doesn't matter whether it is smilied or not Kipax, when it is put simply, and out of context, then it can read very differently. You take umberance when people jokingly comment about the amount of pictures you take of pretty women at Stanley matches, is that a slight on your abilities as a photographer? no it isn't, but is nonetheless a cause of annoyance to you.


Pretty much the same as the comment you made after the OSC/Ultra do when you said it wasn't a joint do it was an Ultra do. Smilies count for nowt when you read the fact of the text, that was a potentially damaging comment much the same as this one.

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not everyone reads the other threads.. you cant say summat in one thread expecting people to understand based on what you said in another thread..

i was saying that your two different people and your gonna get shot at if you stick your head out as the chairman of the supporters club .. other people with positions on this site have figured it out and have even put summat in there sig to say its there opinion and not speaking as blah blah

its a valid point... you should take it onboard.. but i see you missed it and decide to say all that instead.... i thought only women brought the past up in an argument..sheesh :)

btw i didnt say anything as bad as others have so think about who your having a go at eh..

take a chill pill rob.. you urgently need one ..

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no I dont.

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I am sure that people realise when reading that maccawozzagod thinks this that or the other. Not 'oh look the OSC thinks this that or the other' If people are thick enough to think that then surely they wouldn't be able to operate a computer

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Doesnt matter what your views on the poeple are mate .. PEOPLE WILL THINK THAT! you are the chairman of the supporters club and you say X Y and Z ... people will put 2 and 2 together... My original post to you in this thread could have been reworded to just the one word... "duck" but ya missed that as well... (i was gonna smile here but there doesnt seem any point as you dont take notice of them)

You have gone off on one for nuffink.. have a look around.. poeple are posting allsorts about everyone and everything.. if the chairmain of the OSC joins in then there gonna shoot.. I was making you aware of that and you decide I am attacking you.... then you call everyone else thick :)

oops sorry I smiled :)

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Some petty people will read what they want to read around here, not necessarily the actual point of the post.

I think it's great that the few supporters we have are getting so passionate about where we are & where we want the club to go, but we need to stick together and not take sides.

I think it's obvious that we all want Stanley to be in this league next season, let's just do our bit by keeping the faith that Accy will continue to shoot down expectations & reach for the top. Roof or no roof. On Stanley On.

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whos taking sides? i think its you who are reading too much into posts ....

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Macca commented that IF we end up in the Conference next season, he will still love Stanley and be loyal to them (in not so many words), so why give him grief?
It's an excellent outlook and a good example to be setting as the OSC chairman.

Besides, football is all about emotion. If everything was rosy it would be as boring as a Man United match. ;)

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thats NOT what people are giving him grief for... read the thread.. Also there not giving HIM grief... not personally... like I have tried to point out.. he isnt saying anything that loads of others havent said....

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I have to agree with Revived Red! You MUST stay in the league this year! It will get easier every year you stay in the league providing the right people are at the helm. My football club (Hartlepool) has been the butt of any jokes like yourselves for many years. It makes the good times, when they come, all the more sweeter though. You are not 1 of the 2 worst teams in the league, and I think you are unlucky to be in your current position. Keep the faith the club NEEDS your support. Good luck

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Cheers... we believe :)

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Calling old fold,
Young Folk,
Every man and each,
Come and see the Frenchie thats washed up on the beach,
With two long arms, a great long tail and covered all in hair,
We think that he's a spy,
So we'll hang him in the square

Opps, sorry :p

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I must say that I am one those people you are criticising. To the disbelief of others I have always said I do not care whether we win 5-0 or lose 5-0.................IF, in my opinion, every man who dons the famous Red shirt gives 110%. I do not mind losing, but I do mind if we go down in a game without a fight.

We have a great manager.

We have great (if not many) supporters.

We have a team who will fight tooth and nail for every blade of grass.

And most importantly......we have BELIEF.

Roll on next season..........most definitely in THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE. :)

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So the whole Whalley/Coley out debate isn't causing people to take sides? Funny, I must be reading too much into it.

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Thats what I said...... echo echo echo

just because people have a go on here doesnt mean there taking sides..we are all stanley fans and we will all stand shoulder to shoulder for stanley...

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I meant with the large amount of pointless argies that are coming out in this threads like this.
Nevermind it's not worth arguing about.
:rolleyes:

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Tony, you say we all stand :cool: shoulder 2 shoulder, but I don't believe thats true. It may sound daft but loads at Stanley love a moan & although they won't admit it, they probably loving our current predicament.....

Cart On Reds.............

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willie ya missed it..... on here they dont.. they moan on here... so do I.. I like a good moan :) and lets face it you do your fair share of moaning.. mostly at stanley fans... we all moan on here... its not called moanweb for nothing :)

But come saturday 3pm and we are all shoulder to shoulder behind stanley arn't we?

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I for one do not love it but some things need saying and bollox if it's not everyones view. Chester was when everyone stood shoulder to shoulder how I wish it was like that all the time...........:(

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Well seeing as away attendances are around 100 & we had 800 at Chester, we down a few *cough* *cough*

We staying up anyways boys, we got Manganicity & Coleman's Balls

Now who the hell is going Wycombe?

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But i moan at all the moaning & also know of maybe 20 who used to frequent the forum who now don't cause of all this cack!:p

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See how many clap the team onto the pitch tomorrow
or clap them off it
Or encourage a good tackle or pass

We need old school "passion" for the reds but we just don't seem to get it at Accy despite our best efforts. Make FES a fortress ? We must try harder:o

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With my wife due to give birth in 12 days time for some strange reason she has banned me from away games at Wycombe and Barnet, very selfish of her don't you think.;)

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She could come with us, my midwifery skills are excellent & I couln't think of anywhere better than the away end of an Accy game to give birth;)

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I'm making excuses for long awaydays but where are all the regulars, Ultras included hiding when we have a home game???

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can't talk for everyone but I have missed 2 home games due to a new business launch (& none away apart from 15 minutes in the car park at Mansfield hee hee:rolleyes: )

Over 20 Ultras @Wilsons on Sunday though:eek:

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:) good luck willie on your new business venture hope you perform better than your other team:D :D :D :D :D no honestly good luck:) :Banane25: :not_ripe: :Banane25: :not_ripe: :Banane25: :not_ripe: :Banane25: can we have some banners for tomoz night bringing some visitors:)

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part timer! :)
no one beats my attendance record :)

bring your bi-noc-u-lars on tuesday or come stand with me near the corner flag....what you dont see from t'other side of ground is coleman walking from changing rooms to the dugout... as he walks along they stand up in the seats and applaud him... anywhere near the stand and theres arms out trying to shake his hand... bring a tear to your eye mate... the only people knocking coley are a few sad sacks on here and a couple of people on the clayton end...


haa right... irony posts.. i love them :)

well if they want to run away and hide thats up to them...its a computer screen with some words on it.... jeeze 20 cry babies scared of a computer screen... are you sure?


how many computer screens do you see at a football match jase... real life... far more important than this crap :)

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If it wasnt for the prediction league, you could make that 21 - it used to be a laugh round 'ere win loose or bloody draw!!!!

Im getting sick and tired of wasting my valuable time reading complete and utter sh*te threads on here...

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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I can't be far behind you or maybe even up with you. Where were you at Bala ? Part timer!:)

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where was you at dover? hehe that was a killer fixture... dover on a tuesday night ........ competitive games... I dont even like friendlies.. if it wasnt for taking pics i wouldnt go to most of them.. hmm its gotta break sometime... a death in the family or someone offering me loads of money to do soemhting else on the day:)

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See..... they are not scared, just very very cheesed off with it:)

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so whats the answer jase... i think its win a few games and start to climb the league.... oh and get a roof... what do you think the answer is ?

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The answer , as always, is Ipswich

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so not 7 then ?

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The answer has to be Jalal...

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maybe dan... but can you spell it?

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I just have... ;)

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whooooooooooooosh

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I feel like Rocky now... watching it go over my head and helpless to stop it

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Rocky Balboa is an Evertonian man............;)

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they seemed to like him at everton didnt they :)

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Some folk are easily pleased, as the bloke on sky sports news put it "Loveydom gone mad" :)

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It was on the sports news over here(Sylvester at Everton),but whats his connection to them?

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When its cold he has a blue nose?

Likes toffees?

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His mates a shareholder. :)


Yo Everton!!!!