john coleman
 

if john coleman was at any other club he would have got the sack by now.okoky im not saying he should be cause there aint anybody who would come to stanley and replace him but do you agree if he was anywhere else he would have been sacked it might be why the players are incompetent and complacent cause they think coley wont get the sack just an idea:confused:

Re: john coleman
 

:confused: :confused: :confused: How many promotions in how few years:confused: :confused: :confused:

WAKEY WAKEY!

Re: john coleman
 

ahh but im talking about this season and im not saying sack him im saying thats why the players are complacent at any ither club he would have been sacked look at the burys and rochdales and even maccles field theyve all changed managers so wakey wakey to you

Re: john coleman
 

Spud we need action now it's no good bringing up the non league years we are football league at least for now.

Re: john coleman
 

If the club backed the manager with pound notes we wouldn't be where we are now. There is still until the end of the month for more players to come but i'm not sure we're gonna get players of the calibre needed to get us out of this current downward slump.

All i'm looking forward to is the liks of cav and co back off the injury list.
Great to see rommy back also.

Re: john coleman
 

John Coleman is the best manager we'll probably ever have, if he had a few bob to spend we'd be more than safe in this league.

Re: john coleman
 

I am in total agreement with you two so lets stop using non league when talking about our current position Spud.:)

Re: john coleman
 

OK, so why hasn't he got any money to spend? A major reason, sadly, is that the people of this district don't seem to want a football league club.

Re: john coleman
 

...and then the whole 'why don't they want to go' argument comes in with it's million and one reasons.
I don't claim to be an expert on these things but we do seem to have missed out on several opportunities to bring in the crowds & milk our famous name.

Re: john coleman
 

Re: john coleman
 

Tell me about it! I've already gone on and on...and on about the woeful lack of merchandising enterprise shown by the club. That's why I've said the low crowds are a major reason; they're certainly not the only reason for our limited revenue. This is only a guesstimate, but I reckon we could have made thousands and thousands of pounds from championship merchandise in the summer when we were a national news story. We could still be making money hand over fist by exploiting our famous name, especially with some retro-type merchandise, capitalising on the enduring fascination with our history.

Yesterday, we could have been doing a roaring trade by selling booze to thirsty Stanleyites and County fans from bars behind the Clayton and Coppice Ends...but they're not there, so that's another pile of cash lost.

Despite all that, it still remains a fact that a major source of any club's revenue is its gate money and our gates have been much lower than anticipated this season (1,900 home fans for the first home league match after 44 years?...come on! No wonder the League Paper had the headline "Accrington Gripped By Apathy").

And, yes, I'm preaching to the converted and, yes, we've been over the reasons dozens of times before but it's still a fact that people need reminding of from time to time.

However, the apparent indifference of the locals makes it even more imperative that the club does start to develop new income streams like a revamped and expanded merchandising operation, new licensed bars and more!

Re: john coleman
 

IMHO It will come, the simple fact of the matter is that we have found ourselves in the league by accident. We didn't throw money at winning the conference but we did, we simply existed but had a good side in a poor league and the rest is history. If we were still in the conference and making strides forwards we wouldn't be complaining. If we stay up this season then we are a season in front. Next seasons 250 grand tv money could employ 10 people doing full time jobs so that we would have 16 people doing 16 jobs rather than 6. Things would start getting done and money could start coming in through these people. Or we could buil;d something and let the money come in a little slower. Football is a business and you cant make all the leaps at once. The fact is we made the biggest leap of all first. Stay up by hook or by crook and let next season take care of its self.


Coleman stays. The man is an Accrington legend.

Re: john coleman
 

here here. Coleman is the man who brought us here he deserves the chance to turn things around. i dont think many other managers could of gained us three promotions in 5 years and still turn a profit on his transfer dealings. come on chairman give the man a chance and give him some money to buy some players.

Re: john coleman
 

So Coleman stays and Eric Whalley sells up and Rob Heys goes to be replaced by someone who could take us forward and put right the woeful lack of merchandising enterprise shown by the club.

Re: john coleman
 

Bagpuss, firstly, who exactly are you expecting Eric to sell up TO?

And, secondly, although I'm highly critical of the club's merchandising policy, I think you're being somewhat unfair on Rob. Think it's more a case of what Macca says - 6 people doing the jobs of 16. Time for Eric to take a few more backroom boys on?

Re: john coleman
 

we should have done a deal with a major suplier last season when everybody was excited about stanley comuing when we were on the news just at the right time thats why we should have had an expierenced merchandiser :rolleyes: if we do get a following in china have we got merchandise and know how to get it there:confused:

Re: john coleman
 

I would think most of it will be made there :)

Re: john coleman
 

Firstly how do you know that he has not had offers?
Secondly because as you say I'm being unfair are you saying I should shut up in case I upset someone. Whatever opinions anyone has now is the time for talking because if we turn into mice we will be discussing next season what went wrong and who was to blame whilst watching Conference football.

Re: john coleman
 

if somebody said that you weren't running your house appropriately should you sell it? or that you dont use your car enough you should pass it along to somebody who will?

Eric has taken us up the equivalent of three rungs along the ladder, if we have to take another backward step to acheive long term stability then so be it! But there is nothing yet set in stone that we will be in the conference next season. Its football these things happen, we support Stanley because we dont want prima donna footballers on high wages, we dont want to sit in magnificent yet uncharacteristic stadia.

Accrington Stanley are everything that epitomises British sport. We struggle, its always going to be a struggle. There are thirty people who contribute regularly on here about how things should be done, but how many of them actively try to do something? You could attend an OSC meeting and suggest an idea of how we can improve things. If we made enough fundraising in a year we could pay a full time staffie for example. We could buy the facility with which to maximise the potential of a given idea. If all the contributors from here came along, along with the existing people we would have a far healthier Supporters Club and could then start eulogising about how the football club should do things.

The people of Accrington aren't bothered about the club, the vast majority of Supporters seemingly aren't bothered, the staff are too busy to be bothered. As and when the club can afford to expand the various under performing facets of its business I am sure they will.

Re: john coleman
 

i agree with some of your points . but your not going to attract people with a job that is funded by a supporters club when funding can run out at any time .if we did get relagated this season whats not going to stop us getting relagated again the conference is getting stronger with many teams spending big bucks you shouldnt pre judge people you dont know if they contribute anything some people like to do it quietly,about hte people of accrington not botherd the club hasnt exactly tried like i said many moons ago if the people dont go the club the club should go to the people like have a main shop in the town centre it could be sustainible by offering free sponsorship deals .anyway we are stanley and always will be ........

Re: john coleman
 

Good point this Wynonie... Rob give's of his best it's more staff we need, Joyce has raised the Commercial profile but can't do it on her own !! she needs support. The club shop is ok but way overpriced, the mark up on the current Surridge catologue is very high. What about a sale in the club shop ??

Re Coley he to needs support somebody with league experience, i know some of you will give me greif here but we could do a lot worse than ask Stan Ternent to help... at least he has contacts.

Re: john coleman
 

And how do you know that he has had offers? Care to give us the details?

As for the second point, there's a world of difference between opinions, even of the highly critical variety, and the sort of innuendos that you regularly indulge in. Firstly, you started casting doubt on the club's gate figures. Then Rob called your bluff by offering to show you the club's electronic counting system which apparently you declined. Then, you started making remarks about the club's impending involvement in a court case. Again, when challenged to give more details, you said you didn't want "to get into trouble."

So come on, Bagpuss, tell us here and now all the hard facts behind your remarks...

No, thought not. Squeak, squeak!

Re: john coleman
 

If we ever meet I will have a chat but there is no way I'm stupid enough to write anything down but lets get this straight they are not innuendos.:)

Re: john coleman
 

The people of Accrington aren't bothered about the club, the vast majority of Supporters seemingly aren't bothered, the staff are too busy to be bothered.

Nail. head, hit the the on......
Rearrange as you will!!!!!!

Re: john coleman
 

Not much more to say then, is there Bagpuss? You say they're not innuendoes, but you won't give us the facts. So, there was never much point in bringing them up in the first place.

Re: john coleman
 

But another 10 'backroom boys' will cost another 200k per year minimum...... can we afford that????

Re: john coleman
 

Well, maybe not ten! A couple might help to increase revenue streams to such an extent that they pay for themsleves and bring in some much-needed extra revenue too!

Re: john coleman
 

I live in Bury and... The people of Bury couldnt give a damm about the football club which i think is a shame they have a decent team and very nice stadium.

2007
Apathy
Money
The list is endless........

Re: john coleman
 

Good point - I live in Wigan and they cannot fill their stadium for the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool - all class acts in the Premiership. So if teams like this can't fill their grounds, and the Dingles are also complaining of low crowds as are Blackburn et al, what chance have we!!
:eek:

Re: john coleman
 

1.well why dont we set up a different company like with the name official stanley products set up in a shop downtown with two workers
2.get some deals with online supply chains even marks and sparks
3.hit ebay big time set up an ebay shop

1.going to the people of accrington creating an interest to people that dont usually go to stanley
2 creating more interest getting people to buy a nuetral team nobody hates stanley
3.people who just browsing the internet and want a stanley top just order off ebay or the club shop link on the internet

Re: john coleman
 

ohh a forgot if it dont work just declare the company bankrupt:D

Re: john coleman
 

How long have you been in business ? :rolleyes:

Are there really any nuetral teams in football. If you are a football fan you generally tend to support a team.

Re: john coleman
 

plus send the odd top to the top music bands they might make it a trend to wear stanley tops:D

Re: john coleman
 

There are a lot of football fans who support other clubs who have an affection and interest in Stanley. I know that from living outside the area. It's these people who might well be prepared to pick up some item of Stanley merchandise if it was more widely advertised.

Re: john coleman
 

I think its friggin disgusting for so called fans to call for the head of Eric, John or Rob. They all live & breathe this club & got us in the League in the first place.

Of course we could do more, but we had "recruitment drives" in town & a handful came (the list never included Bagpuss, Cmonstanley etc etc)

The people you mock online are all in thebar after the game if you want answers / have suggestions then sort it out.

This is our most successful season EVER, for @@@@'s sake:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Re: john coleman
 

[quote=Give us the old gree;367579] The club shop is ok but way overpriced, the mark up on the current Surridge catologue is very high. What about a sale in the club shop ??
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Never mind a sale, a full on Asda Roll back.
I know several people who wanted kids Stanley shirts and ended up buying replica primadonnaship shirts off the market cos they were £20 cheaper. I think Macca will echo this, the greatest pride of the moment is to see the youngsters of Accy wearing Stanley Red, wanting to be Paul Mullin or Toddy instead of Gerrard or Beckham. The Stanley Kids shirts should be dirt cheap (even sold at a loss as a lost leader) kids is da future, kids should be free into matches with a paying adult, for every fiver you lose on a kid you could make 5 £13s from adults who think it better value. Why do kids stop being kids at 13 or whatever, d`ya think they got more money cos I think they got less. under 12 you`re probably going accompanied 13 - 16 year olds might go by themselves. So many tickets per home game should be given away to people who wouldn`t normally come what would be lost there`s still room.

I`ll echo Macca now, more people should be taking your comments from here and getting your Rsez down to the OSC meetings. The OSC is a different animal now, keen for action and forward thinking. It still needs many more people to add weight to it so that the (more sensible) issues raised here can be taken to the club and dealt with. I can fully understand that some of you are disillusioned with the OSC of the past but the future`s bright it`s Red and White. Its up to doers not moaners, whinging on here aint really gonna change much (except upset Rob Heys who`s probably working hard and worrying a lot more than you) spending a bit of energy on something you believe in will. If you don`t believe change and progress are possible you probably just don`t believe full stop. It`s not just an Accy thing it`s an English thing unfortunately.

Don`t think I think everyone`s got every minute of their spare time to devote to Stanley, I certainly don`t but my little bit and your little bit can be a whole lot of little bits that count for a lot.

This forum is a wonderful place for airing opinions and grievances but it`s not the be all and end all, it`s gotta be taken somewhere and made real or you might as well leave your complaints on your own answering machine.

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Re: john coleman
 

At last! The voice of reason!

Re: john coleman
 

Shoot !

While writing that post I first burnt my pizza then let it go cold

Shoot again ! :mad:

Re: john coleman
 

I certainly do :)

Re: john coleman
 

He said "top" not "toss":D

Re: john coleman
 

It is definitely wrong to completely disregard Eric's achievments, he and the directors have got this club back into the football league which was a pipe dream not too long ago.
However I don't think it's wrong to want the club you support and put hard earned money into to sustain their success.

Re: john coleman
 

But do we, as fans, really believe that with our low crowds, poor facilities etc that we might shoot through the pyramid ala Wimbledon. Oxford got a 12,000 crowdon Boxing Day in Non League we are paupers in comparison & should be proud of every minute in the League.

Crticism, suggestions, comments etc are fine but calling for the heads of our most successful chairman, manager & Rob Heys (who shared a terrace with many of us whilst in non league obscurity) is wrong wrong wrong IMHO

These people aren't faceless suits in a Premiership plc, they Accy fans with the best interest of our club at heart. They make mistakes, we all do. But criticism of this personal kind is for the Premier League fans with unrealistic targets & watered down passion.

We can all do our bit * we must continue till the good times roll again:o

Re: john coleman
 

Zero,


thanks for airing some of my thoughts regarding kids/prices/osc.


A lot of people come on here airing thoughts this that and the other but then sit back expecting things to be done.

OSC as far as I am concerned has been a loss leader, we have spoken a lot about how things must change (minutes of last meeting still to be publicised but revolution of sorts is on the way), we are only now starting to see the fruits of our labour in any way shape or form. The Open Day is going ahead without the support of the Ultras, without the support of most from the OSC, without the support of most on this website. Membership still consists of more from non-Hyndburn than from within Hyndburn.

Before people start slagging the club for lack of effort are you making any effort? Or do you just want to turn up and watch the game and then pick fault?

I have emails from people all over the country offering help and assistance with whatever they can, I have an offer on the table from somebody in Devon ffs to aid with the membership! How many people in Accrington want to help? This club has the potential to really ruffle feathers but too many people who think they are important have too much to say but not enough to offer. Put up or shut up.


The OSC has moved on from Unibond organisation, what we need is people to now turn up and offer their help and their ideas at the next meeting. Cmonstanley, you always have a lot to offer, will you be there? If you think we should have a shop in the town centre then expand on the idea, talk with the powers that be ..... how much is rent ...... can you do it cheaper ..... how do we pay the rent to make it viable ....... can the OSC provide merchandise ..... can ASFC provide merchandise ..... can we run coaches from it ...... ebay ...... etc etc etc ....


Rather than purely criticism, try to bring solution as well. If cost is 500 a week but we can make 1000 then its a goer, if not then that is why ASFC do not already have a shop in the town centre. I f you can make work then you will have mine and no doubt the OSC and ASFC backing

Re: john coleman
 

I have links with Accrington itself ( obviously because I live here lol ) and therefore friends who are Stanley supporters. However as a supporter of another team I wouldn't buy Stanley merchandise unless it's a present for a Stanley fan. I'm not quite sure why a non-supporter would do that unless they collect football memorabilia.

There was at the end of last season a sentimental thing about Stanley returning to the football league. Personally I think it was a one off for obvious reasons. If you went down this season and came back 2 or 3 years later I don't think that sentimentality would be anywhere near the same level.

I'm not convinced that those who do support other teams but have that bit of affection and interest for Stanley would actually put their money in their pockets and buy the stuff. Of course some would but IMHO I think the moment has gone for when that commercial gravy train pulled out of the station.

Somebody earlier in the thread for me summed up the biggest problems Stanley have got ( just as we have at Burnley) Apathy & Money. If you could trade in the enthusiasm of some of you diehards on here for some of the apathy and money, gates and commercial spin offs wouldn't be a problem.

And no I don't know what the answers are to solve it all either apart from somehow stopping the big clubs getting bigger and distributing the income from football a lot fairer than it is now.

Re: john coleman
 

Like the parade, the painting of teh CE & the recruitment drive I'm sure that when you need bodies that you'll have plenty of help Macca

Re: john coleman
 

You're right in all that you say, but the question burning in the minds of a lot of Accy fans right now is whether or not we want to sacrifice sentimentality & loyalty for the sake of staying in the league.
For me, new personnel must be brought in if we are to survive. However I believe that calling for the head of Eric Whalley is somewhat disrespectful.

Re: john coleman
 

I live in the Manchester area and, over the years, I've lost count of the number of United/City fans in the local who've asked me to get 'em Stanley stuff. One bloke even wanted a shirt but mainly it's been bits and bobs - pennants, badges etc. Years ago, the club produced a humorous T-shirt which featured a cartoon of a Stanley player (Paul Beck?) supping a pint of lager with the line "I'm In Training for Accrington Stanley". Wore it in the pub the first night and I walked out with orders for six more! Jokey, lighthearted stuff like this could sell well, because our name still does hold a fascination for people. OK, it won't solve our major funding problems, but every little helps!

Re: john coleman
 

Charlton fans called for Curb's head last year citing "he'd taken them as far as he could" they got there wish & will be playing Burnley & maybe even Oldham next year

In Coleman We Trust!:)

Re: john coleman
 

It was Grimmy on the t shirt and it would be fantastic if they reproduced it - mines now being used to clean the windows!!!!

Re: john coleman
 

That's it. Grimmy! Cracking T-shirt! Mine fell to bits in the end!

Re: john coleman
 

I'm actually looking at setting up a business printing stuff like that and all the other 'tat' that people buy. I can see a market here :D

I would guess the problem the club has is having to order things in sufficient quantities that they can get the stuff made but the fear then is that they may not sell it all. Wouldn't it be good if they had a nice friendly supplier who could supply small runs almost on a made to order basis so they wouldn't end up with unsold stock. Isn't market research great :D

Re: john coleman
 

im not calling for anybodys head im just having a rant and giving the club ideas ive never called for anybodys head im ****ed off what happened yesterday where does it say im calling for anybodys head recruitment drives are alright but what we need is a permenant presence in the town to remind them they have a team . and if you read what it says at the start of this thread i never called for colemans head i said the reason why certain players are complacent is they know coley wont get sacked and their places are safe so there you go:D :D :D

Re: john coleman
 

Cmonstanley read my post (post 43) , partly directed at you, and respond

Re: john coleman
 

ill answer you tomorrow off to bed got an early rise and somethings to check out

Re: john coleman
 

J C is totally aware of the position he & the club are in & told several players in his bollocking after the game they were not good enough & to buck up or go & others were also castigated for a poor performance. Next week will see his response as there are potentially at least four players to be signed up. Watch the club news. Dismissal of a manager at this stage is an admission of a board of directors that they are panicky & not many benefit by hasty exits, the likes of Macclesfield are few & far between. There are some ex managers, sat twiddling their thumbs, who could be brought in as advisors to help Coley, with good player contacts & experience at league level that would do the club no harm whatsoever. Peterborough weren't as shy with Big Ron last season! Just the prat of a reserve! manager that wouldn't listen to experience & he paid the price.

Re: john coleman
 

Evnin all i have been reading everything on the forum with interest for about the last month without posting ie tranfers in and out JC and EW in and out poor crowds, no f in roof the list goes on and on,ASFC is never gonna be a chelsea,arsenal or man u money wise but accrington stanley is known world wide, i have travelled quite a lot this year and worn my stanley shirt with pride and lost count of the people that have stopped and wanted to talk stanley.
Eric and John have done fantastic things with the club both on and off the field and we as supporters should be proud and not asking for heads to roll ok we have a few problems on the squad front at the moment but there is time left to sort it and i,m sure when we find our feet again we will be soaring with the eagles,even though we have had a poor run we can hold our own in this league as i have not seen one team at the FES this season that we could not have beaten
The problems we have have many root causes and will not be solved overnight ie the transfer in and out situation the lower league clubs have been and always will be a breeding ground for the talent of the future and as stanley have found if you have a good un your not gonna keep him for more than a couple of seasons.As for players coming in and the so called low wages we pay i don,t call 27 grand exactly being on the bread line for what boils down to 90 mins serious work a week.
Regarding the crowds well as said before this town is full of apathy everybody jumpin on the band wagon including the council when things were good and now they cant get off fast enough, from what i have seen and read i think if asfc went under tomorrow only 1600 or so loyal fans would cry in their beer this town do,es not deserve stanley, remember last season big gates, open top tour of the town, civic reception where are they all now, one thing i am glad about is that EW did not take up the freedom of the borough offer i would gladly ring HBC tomorrow on behalf of stanley and tell them to stick it right were the sun don,t shine they have had a perfect opportunity to back the pride of lancashire and what have they done NOTHING, heres an idea instead of spending a small fortune of tax payers money on broadway and the market hall in the hope attracting a better class of pound shop why not give some money to stanley to put a roof over the clayton end, some bloody hope, even better idea sack a couple of councillers and save their big fat salaries and we could have a roof for both ends HBC and so called suporters of the reds you are a disgrace.
Anyway now i have got some of that of my chest i,m ready for tuesday standing on the clayton end having some light hearted banter with the visiting keeper in the wind and rain,im also ready for next season in leauge two or not, because i support ACCRINGTON STANLEY the club that would not(and will not) die

Re: john coleman
 

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Re: john coleman
 

sorry John, that post was meant to say seemingly without. In lieu of having had no feedback from the Ultra site

Re: john coleman
 

Would that be Monday 5th Feb? In the Sportsbar? @ 7 ish?

[Not promising, but this forum's getting too difficult to follow. :rolleyes: ]

Re: john coleman
 

week after Oggy, the 12. Always the 2nd monday of the month unless needs changing for other reasons

Re: john coleman
 

This is possibly the most ridiculous thread ever. Coleman was the past, is the present and will be the future of our club for quite some time. Even the likes of Walter Galbraith and that little known Portugeezer at Chelski would have had a hard time reproducing what he has done.

1999 - Unibond 1st division

2007 - FOOTBALL LEAGUE

Re: john coleman
 

reaaly interesting thread. The mood is sombre after Saturday, but he come on we are talking Stanley! Coleman must be feeling worse than any of us supporters and his after match comment that some players are just not good enough says it all. He will bring players in and we will stay in the 2nd Div (just). Have faith and be there on Tuesday. Good luck to the lads and lets hope there is some transfer news. Rumours say a striker from Preston??

Re: john coleman
 

Not rumours Fettler, see fishy site