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K.S.H

03-04-2007 14:19

Here goes again!

I see the local council are against us again, maybe the proper building should have been put up by now but still its not very nice when the local council isn't behind you is it

AccyMad

03-04-2007 14:41

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Typical though isn't it, personally I find the bit about the open stairway overlooking people's gardens laughable. I recently had to use the stairway which is a little tricky to negotiate and believe me the last thing anyone going up or down it would be thinking of would be peeking into anyone's garden.

Tealeaf

03-04-2007 14:46

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I suppose the final sentance gives the game away..."The officers have recommended the councillors refuse the plan...".

Two questions therefore:

1) Who runs HBC - the elected representatives or the soft-arsed bureaucrats?

2) If it comes to a vote, will we see which councillors vote to allow the existing structure to continue for another season and those which vote for it to be immeadiatly replaced?

accymel

03-04-2007 14:49

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Really makes me laugh does the residents - why live near a footy stadium then if its that much of a problem!!!!!!!!! Gee i said i'll swop lol!!!

Mind u Stanley should be getting the ground sorted tho, temporary means temporary, they should be looking to sorting these problems out asap really as with the roo.....[f] which still nothing is materialised, they have made their fight with the FL to stay up on own merits then so should the ground being sorted to follow otherwise it be like stevenage Boro - didnt they have problems with their ground being upto Football League standards????

Also the council set of jobs worths should be supporting & helping the club with its problems??? not stopping them - dont they know that it increases visitors to the town ???

lancsdave

03-04-2007 14:52

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The article says the money is available. Is this not a case of the club hedging it's bets and not paying money out if they don't need a police control box next season ?

K.S.H

03-04-2007 14:54

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 406608)

The article says the money is available. Is this not a case of the club hedging it's bets and not paying money out if they don't need a police control box next season ?

Just what I thought

accymel

03-04-2007 14:57

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 406608)

The article says the money is available. Is this not a case of the club hedging it's bets and not paying money out if they don't need a police control box next season ?

I wouldn't put it pass Eric either:(

ossyclogger

03-04-2007 14:58

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If the planing permission has been granted ,and funds are in place for construction, why do you automatically blame the council while the club once again drags it's feet so to speak. "WHERE'S THE F IN ROO". Just goes to show that even when they have the allotted funds, they're too tight to spend them.
The article states that the temporary building it vital for the club. This is not true, it is the permanant structure that is vital for the club.

accymel

03-04-2007 15:03

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So if the funds isn't the object then why is nothing being done:confused: surely there is no excuse??

Wynonie Harris

03-04-2007 15:04

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Surely, the club and council could reach some sort of compromise on this? ie - the club have their planning permission for the temporary structure renewed, provided they build the permanent one by a specified date.

Redraine

03-04-2007 15:10

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Will the precious residents approve of a permanent structure? Don't hold your breath!

K.S.H

03-04-2007 15:12

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Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 406626)

Will the precious residents approve of a permanent structure? Don't hold your breath!

They've already got permission it says

K.S.H

03-04-2007 15:13

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Maybe their gonna build it along with the roo and the bar at the Clayton end :rolleyes:

Doug	03-04-2007 16:13

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it sound 50/50 to me. I think both the club and the council need to pull out the odd finger and get on with it. If the person(s) affected by their gardens being overlooked, if they would like to put there homes on the market I think they go well.

harwood red

03-04-2007 18:36

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Right I'm fed up now.....it seems to be one long merry go round...got the cash, got the permission...what's the problem with getting it started??

Ok I'm sure it's not as simple as that...tbh I think it's more of a delay tactic cos if we are relegated then the work doesn't need doing.... if we stay up maybe the ground re locating may resurface again!!! :confused:

WillowTheWhisp

03-04-2007 19:58

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Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 406691)

Ok I'm sure it's not as simple as that...tbh I think it's more of a delay tactic cos if we are relegated then the work doesn't need doing.... if we stay up maybe the ground re locating may resurface again!!! :confused:

That was my second thought after the first one which was - why don't they build if they've got permission and funds?

ossyclogger

03-04-2007 21:20

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It may be that if we don't stay up, and we haven't built the room that we may have to hand the cash back as we won't need it. After all we are well known for cocking things up at Stanley now.

FELIX

03-04-2007 22:18

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No one 'declined to comment' in respect of this article - we were never asked to comment.

Before people get carried away, the article is inaccurate - the club is yet to receive any grant funding.

shakermaker

03-04-2007 23:06

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If only we'd have sold 2 players to higher league clubs earlier in the season, then we'd have some spare cash....

Back to the abacus, eh chaps.

Bagpuss

04-04-2007 21:57

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 406623)

The council will not compromise with Whalley until he pays what is owed, believe me the council have bent over backwards to help Stanley but Whalley is the problem.

Felix you know the money is available so cut the crap.;)

Wynonie Harris

04-04-2007 22:14

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According to the LET, council leader Britcliffe has urged the planning committee to grant Stanley permission to use the temporary control room for another year. Local councillor Malcolm Pritchard has condemned him for this and said that local residents shouldn't have to put up with the portakabin any longer.

AccyMad

05-04-2007 10:43

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I can't see the difference to the residents whether it's a temporary structure or a permanent one, ok it might be a bit prettier but would probably be in the same place it is now. I'm getting a bit fed up with hearing of what the residents shouldn't have to put up with, as has been said before most moved in when the club was already there and as also has been said, I'd swap my house with any one of em

Wynonie Harris

05-04-2007 14:18

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According to the LET, the council have allowed Stanley to keep the temporary structure for another year. Council Pritchard called the structure a "monstrosity". Get a grip, man - it's only a portakabin, not a nuclear power plant!

accymel

05-04-2007 14:20

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But if Eric has the funds then why is there reason to delay it further?????

Tin Monkey

05-04-2007 14:51

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 407225)

But if Eric has the funds then why is there reason to delay it further?????

Because if we're relegated we won't need it. Why spend money if it's not necessary?

Bagpuss

05-04-2007 14:54

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 407238)

Why spend money if it's not necessary?

The tight git won't spend money when it is necessary.;)

Tin Monkey

05-04-2007 14:59

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Money is tight, we all know that. Nobody has been more vocal about these issues than me this season, but when things are as tight as they are right now, what's the point of spending?

I don't blame the residents for complaining. The temporary building is horrendous. However, if we don't need it next season it'll come down anyway.

accymel

05-04-2007 15:13

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 407238)

Because if we're relegated we won't need it. Why spend money if it's not necessary?

But surely thats money from a grant by FL funds to go towards doing so??? then if its not necessary & we do go down surely the money has to be returned as its not been spent on whatever they funded ASFC for:confused:

Growler

05-04-2007 18:59

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 407238)

Because if we're relegated we won't need it. Why spend money if it's not necessary?

If we don't spend the money and get relegated, we'll still need it for when we get promoted again.

Tin Monkey

05-04-2007 19:12

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 407250)

I believe that we haven't received any grant money.

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Originally Posted by FELIX (Post 406788)

Before people get carried away, the article is inaccurate - the club is yet to receive any grant funding.

Tin Monkey

05-04-2007 19:13

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Originally Posted by Growler (Post 407313)

If we don't spend the money and get relegated, we'll still need it for when we get promoted again.

Then we'll build it when we need it, and not before.

sparkie

05-04-2007 22:18

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any money for improving the ground, that we may or may not have recieved, has been spent on just that, ground improvements.

control room
cctv
police command centre
electronic turnstile counter computer thingy
extra turnstiles
perimeter fencing
segregation imrovements
toilets and plumbing
first aid room
pitchside wall on whinney hill terace
increased security features
improved public address system
tarmacing of internal compound areas

I can go on . . . . . .

As regards the control room the club have done lots of things to try and appease the residents for instance, the window that was over looking eric whalley way to livingstone round was filled in so it didn't over look the residents gardens anymore, and the area of the steps which has been mentioned, originally was only walled by a scaffolding rail, but now has a 5 foot high wood garden fence round it so that people can no longer stand on the landing there and gaze into the residents back gardens.

I have one question, what are the residents growing in their back gardens, and why don't they want people to see it?!!!!!;) ;) :D

Haggis316

06-04-2007 09:12

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One of our neighbours has a hot tub and I cannot imagine they would want a police patrol room looming over it.

May be it would bit reminiscent of part of Northern Cyprus with an army watch tower by the beach.

poppy

06-04-2007 12:05

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Originally Posted by sparkie (Post 407368)

Good question LOL!

Jesus_was_A_red_

07-04-2007 21:08

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Its probably obstructing their 'free-view' of the game.

FELIX

09-04-2007 12:19

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 407049)

I know the money is available....?? :o The money is not available as was suggested in the article.

The roof is the priority and I believe that the roof will be done or at least well underway by the start of next season. For which, an application for grant funding has indeed been submitted.

The police control room has to my knowledge cropped up quite suddenly - this certainly isnt someting high on he club's agenda as an individual item although as part of the long term stadium improvement, it will be addressed.

The morons who protest at absolutely everything the club does, need to get a hobby. They are pathetic, why would anyone be interested in what those bores get up to in their back garden.

ukcowboy

09-04-2007 13:02

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Originally Posted by FELIX (Post 408648)

I know the money is available....?? :o The money is not available as was suggested in the article.

The roof is the priority and I believe that the roof will be done or at least well underway by the start of next season. For which, an application for grant funding has indeed been submitted.

The police control room has to my knowledge cropped up quite suddenly - this certainly isnt someting high on he club's agenda as an individual item although as part of the long term stadium improvement, it will be addressed.

The morons who protest at absolutely everything the club does, need to get a hobby. They are pathetic, why would anyone be interested in what those bores get up to in their back garden.

Felix,

As an employee of the Club, do you think that it is wise to post comments like the one highlighted, as the people that you refer to as 'morons' may well read this post and I for one was under the impression that the Club was trying to get relations with thier neighbours on a better footing.

Comments like this will do nothing to help the situation, but most probably will damage the rather fragile relationship that is in place now.

With all due respect, perhaps you should try to remember your position within the Club and think a little more before posting inflamatory remarks on a PUBLIC forum.

Just a thought.

accymel

09-04-2007 13:07

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Excellent point Ukcowboy seems that club employees/reps are allowing their mouth to open before engaging the brain especially when club issues are concerned, which doesn't create a good impression & in this case could give those neighbours more ammo to fire with against the club, which we could do without!

FELIX

10-04-2007 00:40

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Originally Posted by FELIX (Post 408648)

Just a couple of things I'd like to add....
Irrespective of my job these are my personal views, to which I am entitled to hold and share THESE ARE NOT THE VIEWS OF THE ORGANISATION FOR WHOM I AM EMPLOYED.

and to the person who left me bad karma calling me a PROSTITUTE....why the secrecy?

Ber999T

10-04-2007 05:35

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Just hope that ASFC stay in the league and that they can then get this building worked out so that the vast majority of people are happy.

lancsdave

10-04-2007 07:12

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Originally Posted by FELIX (Post 408648)

The police control room has to my knowledge cropped up quite suddenly -

So the rule about having a police control box at a Football League ground has only just come in then ?

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Irrelevant I'm afraid. As an employed person of the club then you have to some proffesionalism and realise you cannot just say what you want in relation to club issues. I think you and somebody else on here should also realise that the people you are referring to as morons could well be paying your wages :rolleyes:

Outback Ozzy

10-04-2007 07:38

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Originally Posted by FELIX (Post 408648)

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The police control room has to my knowledge cropped up quite suddenly - this certainly isnt someting high on he club's agenda as an individual item although as part of the long term stadium improvement, it will be addressed.

Felix, cut the crap please. It is a well documented fact that Police Control rooms are required for all football league grounds. It is also another well documented fact that the club had planning permission for 12 months only for the Portakabin - so to spout out that it isn't something that the high on the club's agenda is, I am afraid to say, a load of bull poo. The club were aware of this, and it is a known fact that Eric will not pay for something until it is absolutely necessary.

Sparkie, just to pick up a point on your bit about the ground improvements, if the turnstiles have electronic counters, how come each turnstile operator has to list the numbers at the start of each match, surely this is a manual counter, counting each person with every revolution of the turnstile n'est pa?

FELIX

10-04-2007 07:49

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rite then. i wont say anymore.

i won't comment anymore on the people who complain and complain and complain and start petitions and kick up a stink over everything the club does.

Outback Ozzy

10-04-2007 07:53

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Originally Posted by FELIX (Post 409120)

rite then. i wont say anymore.

i won't comment anymore on the people who complain and complain and complain and start petitions and kick up a stink over everything the club does.

Best thing you ever said on this forum. BTW please get your facts right. The fans are not complaining, just enlightening you to what is already known.

ukcowboy

10-04-2007 16:41

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Originally Posted by FELIX (Post 409120)

rite then. i wont say anymore.

i won't comment anymore on the people who complain and complain and complain and start petitions and kick up a stink over everything the club does.

Perhaps that would be best.

maccawozzagod

10-04-2007 16:47

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who's been starting petitions?

have I missed something in my 4 day absence?

lancsdave

10-04-2007 16:51

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 409310)

who's been starting petitions?

have I missed something in my 4 day absence?

I raised a petition that they should start selling claret & blue shirts in the club shop. Did you not sign it :rolleyes:

ukcowboy

10-04-2007 16:57

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 409314)

I raised a petition that they should start selling claret & blue shirts in the club shop. Did you not sign it :rolleyes:

Mods, i was under the impression that we had a swear filter on here!!!! ;) :D ;)

Kisser

10-04-2007 17:15

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Not all residents are against Stanley. I am a local resident, and a life-long fan, ex-employee and volunteer of the club. So please on a matchday I dont want any snarls from the fans as I leave my home (or any windows put through)! I know the residents aren't popular with the fans, and the club isnt popular with the residents - but I dont want to be in this little war - we are not all against Stanley!

Doug	10-04-2007 17:31

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Originally Posted by Kisser (Post 409323)

Can I stick my car up your drive on match day? :D

Doug	10-04-2007 17:33

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 409314)

I raised a petition that they should start selling claret & blue shirts in the club shop. Did you not sign it :rolleyes:

I raised a petition to have dingle supporters refusing to convert to Stanley to be deported......................

...............to Blackburn. :D

Bagpuss

10-04-2007 17:41

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Originally Posted by FELIX (Post 409120)

rite then. i wont say anymore.

i won't comment anymore on the people who complain and complain and complain and start petitions and kick up a stink over everything the club does.

Felix you have gone up in my estimation, I love people who say what they really think, it's called honesty.

Bagpuss

10-04-2007 17:47

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Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 409119)

Sparkie, just to pick up a point on your bit about the ground improvements, if the turnstiles have electronic counters, how come each turnstile operator has to list the numbers at the start of each match, surely this is a manual counter, counting each person with every revolution of the turnstile n'est pa?

Last time I brought this subject up I received death threats, only joking but I got a few dirty looks and an invite to the police box, ozzy I'd leave this one for now there will be an oppurtunity to discuss it later, big brother is watching you but still keep your eyes open.;)

Kisser

11-04-2007 07:08

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 409328)

Can I stick my car up your drive on match day? :D

Parking on my drive is usually a first come first serve basis, and the ticket sellers usually get on there first, either Freda or Lucy sorry. But if they dont need it, and you want to use it then phone me first to check I am not on standby for work! I will PM you my number x

maccawozzagod

11-04-2007 07:23

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and there was me thinking Doug was being rude!

Kisser

11-04-2007 07:24

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I dont think he's rude - he asked politely!

Kisser

11-04-2007 07:28

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Ohhhh - stick it up my drive, I see what you mean Macca! Doh :)

Tin Monkey

11-04-2007 09:46

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This forum is becoming very smutty nowadays.

Doug	11-04-2007 10:05

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 409531)

and there was me thinking Doug was being rude!

:eek: Excuse me Mr Mecca, I am a gentleman and I would not suggest anything in the least improper to Kisser, I was being humorous. :) :D

Doug	11-04-2007 10:10

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Originally Posted by Kisser (Post 409532)

I dont think he's rude - he asked politely!

I wasn't being rude Kisser - I'm a gentleman. :)

Thank you for your kind offer, but I wouldn't want to put Freda or anyone else out of a parking spot. :)

sparkie

15-04-2007 15:09

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Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 409119)

Its called having a back up plan!!!

Like everything else electronic it goes off if there's a power cut!!!! And as reliable as these things are nowadays (electronics not power cuts!!!) things can go wrong. Taking manual counts is just good sense, also it helps to verify what the electronics are saying.

Outback Ozzy

15-04-2007 15:16

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Originally Posted by sparkie (Post 411402)

Thanks for the enlightenment Sparkie :rolleyes:

sparkie

15-04-2007 15:32

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you are welcome!!!:p

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15-04-2007 19:06

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 409314)

I raised a petition that they should start selling claret & blue shirts in the club shop. Did you not sign it :rolleyes:

Have you not spelt shirts wrong! An extra letter in it perhaps! The only claret and blue that should be sold is made by 'Scottie' and you have to fold it a couple of times to remove the 'stains';) ;) ;) ;)

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