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Oh noooo hope its not true but probably is, we need to keep our best players :(
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Is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Signed a two year deal
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******! ******! ******! The curse of the player of the year award strikes again - apart from Mullers, quite a few players in the recent past who have been given it clear off just afterwards. Good luck to the lad but what a disappointment for us fans.
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Isnt Rotherham further away than Accrington from his home? I thought he was taking his time over the contract because of the distance. Oh well start suggesting left sided midfielders we could attreact? Bring back Sean, if he finds his true form he'd would be amazing
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bollocks!!!
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ooo ******! Why! Such a great player to the club aswell :(
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what a joke, not happy
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I'd like to know how much more he wanted in order to sign for us again!!!!
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Good luck Toddy. I aint gonna preach on about loyalty like I know some others will, because I know it's your job, and being 27 you have to go for the best deal you can. You will be fondly remembered at Accy. Just dont get the ball and score a goal on your return to the FES!!!
PS: So this is what Coley meant when he said that fans favourites might b e leaving... |
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but Jay Harris has signed on ...... its all on the fishy now.
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yes good news about harris but lets not forget hes 20 years old, which means he will be paid peanuts compared to some of the older players. It wouldent surprise me if rotherham have doubled todd's money. |
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Toddy's probably gone for the money for which he can't be blamed.
Our priority must be to keep our best players & giving them contrract ultimatums won't help that, only money will. In short, we're bollocksed. |
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ok he played right but he can play both wings and we still need a left sider i feel. gd news on jay though. Who is still holding out on contracts?
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Stick your season ticket up your ar*e Mr Whalley we want a roof but not at the expense of our best players, go now Whalley.
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Sorry Macca I'm not going tomorrow now, no fu*king ambition, extremely anger.
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Well if thats the case we'd better get a good talented player to replace Toddy - he was our rock this year:(
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To say Im annoyed would be the understatement of the decade :mad: :mad: :mad: .............just what the hell is going on, and who the hell do we get to replace Him??
To Toddy, I say, good luck and thank you for giving us somthing to cheer about this season. Shaker said it all................we're bolloxed!:mad: |
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it really is a disgrace im not ****in happy.
How the hell does whalley think we can keep players by payin **** poor wages is beyond me. I think this might be the season when everything comes to the forefront, they have been paying poor for years. I know a player that could earn more money playing part time for a club 3 divisions below than what stanley offered him when we where in the conference, JOKE |
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Sean Whalley is a right footer, he should slot straight into Toddies position, now we are needing a left footed, pacey winger.
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What a waffler you are bagpuss . Will we also have the pleasure of losing your company on here as well ? |
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Well done the club!!! I can't believe how narrow minded you people are.
Stick to the wage structure and there will be a Stanley team for years to come. Break it and the club will be dead inside 5 years. Crowds of 2000 don't allow for all players demands. Todd was good for us, as he gave 100% every game. It's a shame he's left as I liked him alot. He wasn't the best player in the world, but his effort was second to none. However, if the club has to let him leave to keep on budget, then I say goodbye Toddy. You've been great, but it's time to go!!!! |
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:( Absolutely gutted, it may not just have been about money, the fact that he has been offered a 2 year contract and may only have been offered 1 at stanley may have been the clincher.
Thanks for the memories Andy and good luck, but not when playing us.!! And who knows maybe the decision was completely out of the clubs hands... Remember we have been here before when we have lost good players, and found new good players, so you never know who we might have lining up soon ...keep the faith people instead of instantly jumping down the clubs throats |
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we had one but he was shown the door i say try n resign Sean
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well put. another whalley/ coleman clanger:mad: |
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For goodness sake we don't know for a fact that it was their decision...maybe it was out of their hands!!!! Lets not play guesswork eh??
Yes it could be cos we won't pay him enough, it could be didn't offer him long enough contract.... but it could so easily be that its nearer home and he feels there is more chance of going back up with rotherham than with stanley.... who knows!!??!! Yes lets be fed up he's gone, but lets also wish him the best of luck and hope that coley works his magic and gets some fab new signings in soon |
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A while ago I dared to criticise the management and I was crucified for it . I had negative karma , I received hate pms etc etc. We still have the same managment now , and we are going to start our 2nd season in the league . So what has changed , except that I am happy and you lot have all changed into moaning minnies . As I was told previously "He's only one player , and one player doesn't make a team ".
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im sure if we had offered him the right money and over 2 years he would have stayed no problem.
like i said earlier DISGRACE |
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i would have done if eric would have let me.
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Aren't league 2 clubs salary capped ? |
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somehow i dont think eric would be paying the maximum........ |
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Dont worry. I am upset that he is leaving but think about it. He came from a team that were lower than use and he couldnt even get into their team. Coley will find some new stars. It was like this when Rory left. There are plenty of good footballers about.
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I can't believe most of you guys either.Clearly Toddy was regarded as a very important member of the team by you,but NO ONE IS INDESPENCEABLE. If Eric had the doe-ray-me, he would offer the wanted ones more,but as TIN MONKEY says," Stick to the wage structure and there will be a Stanley for years" etc.. Bet you anything you like a new hero will emerge in Toddy's old position.
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quite agree with Tin Monkey and Ossy and Kiwi - we must stick to the wage structure
But Toddy has not gone for the money - see the Observer tomorrow/tonight. He has been driving up from Hucknall every day for the past year and a half, that puts at least four hours on his day. EVERY DAY. He has spoken to his wife and they have decided to take an offer from a club that is less than an hour away from his home. Rotherham are only 10 months out of administration that threatened to kill them, do you honestly think they would be paying silly wages? Yet again people have jumped down the throats of the club without being fully aware of the facts. Maybe that is the clubs fault for not advertising the full facts but regardless ....... Good luck Toddy and thanks for the memories. |
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I think alot of people have just come on here and seen toddys left and been disspointed and just slagged Eric off, but i belive Toddy can be replaced just like Rory, Evil and Gary have been replaced. And how can people say its all about money?? Rotherham...bigger club...better facilites...bigger fan base to attract players, closer to toddys home... But... the town of Accrington as a whole need to support the club so they can offer decent money to player, you not think? GOOD LOOK TODDY!!! |
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Ok, so we are never going to be able to build a successful, settled team in the middle or long term. I wonder if there are any statistics available which show player turnover per club? Think we would come top of the league?
Our problems are just like Rovers, albeit on a completely different scale! Their messageboard is full of fans moaning about clubs trying to poach their best players, but we and they just have to keep unearthing the Derbyshire's and McGivern's of this world.:) |
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Its only May, we have plenty of time to get a replacement!
Good luck Toddy!:cool: |
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As Macca has said, Toddy left for other reasons apart from money. However, supposing he had left for money? Could you please explain how we can pay higher wages to players when we get, in real terms, the lowest gates in the football league? |
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its simple really, prices are to expensive. Lower the prices more fans? more turnover. However people would be prepared to pay for a better service, realistically and as everyone knows our ground is a disgrace compared to the majority of the rest of the league. We have to be realistic ive been goin on the stanley for 12 years and i couldent afford to go to every game with a full family. Course toddy left for money, the guy slogs his guts out all season and deservadly gets player of the year. He gets offered better money over a longer period at a different club. What would you do? Id be straight to rotheram for one. Yes the issue of distance is there but you honestly think we offered him enough to stay, not a chance. |
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Here is the link to what Toddy has said on His move:-
http://www.themillers.premiumtv.co.u...026760,00.html On reflection, I may have been a little hasty with my views I posted earlier, having calmed down a little Im sure that we will replace Him soon enough!.........Still sorry to see Him go though! |
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this is a public messageboard and as long as im not insulting anybody am entitled to an opinion whether you think its good or not. |
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Did I say you wern't ? |
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Toddy is impressed with Rotherham's pitch. With global warming gathering pace ours is going to be like a beach in a couple of years. Seriously, it was horrible watching the ball pinging about towards the end of the season.
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As for prices, I would say our prices compare quite favourably with the majority of division two clubs. I've certainly paid the same or in many cases more at many of the away grounds I've been to this season. And the ground? Well, maybe you'd like us to run up a big overdraft, spending money we haven't got on lots of expensive improvements? Think I'd prefer to stick with Eric and Coley and their "clangers"! |
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Oh well, i am disappointed but I couldnt travel 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours at night every day! Good luck toddy
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I've been criticised plenty of times for having a go at the club, but this time they've got it spot on. It's ok saying we have no ambition and that we'll never build a successful team at this level, but maybe we just aren't in a position to do so with the levels of income the club has at the moment. There are enormous levels of over-reation on this thread. Toddy was great while he was with us, but he wasn't a Gary Roberts was he? We will replace him and with someone better than Doherty, who some crazy people were calling to be returned. As I said earlier, the club must stick to a budget and remain healthy. If that means players move on, then so be it. They can and will be replaced! |
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yes but the point is we HAVENT replaced players of equal quality in the past so what makes you think we are gonna get sum1 better than Todd?? |
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They seem to have been going from one crisis to another over the last 2 years. They are currently in a dispute with CF Booth over rent arrears on their ground of which the main stand has only been partly rebuilt and the fans have been dwindling. |
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For example Russ Payne -> Rory Prendergast -> Gary Roberts. But it goes without saying that it is getting more and more difficult to attract players as we succeed. |
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Money, pitch, promotion, and close proximity to his house? Bollocks!!! We all know the real reason Toddy joined Rotherham is because he is a huge fan of the Chuckle Brothers ;)
For those who dont know, they are life presidents at Rotherham. |
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I wasn't that impressed with what I saw of Andy in the Conference and I did not think he would be particularly successful in the transition to the league so I was a bit surprised when he got a 1 year contract. How wrong I was!
I thought he looked a bit tired in the last 2 games of the season but I suppose he was entitled to after what he'd contributed not to mention the commuting. Hucknall is north Nottingham and just down the M1 and an average first team player would command about £55k per annum at Rotherham I should imagine. |
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Fair play to Todd he stuck around till the end of the season before moving unlike 2 players that I can think of. He's been a big player for us and you can't blame for moving to a club thats nearer to home. I don't think it was about the money if you look at Rotherham's financial situation. The club should have more of an effort sooner to keep him. Plenty more signings to be made though.
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think those who are knocking should remember Stanley went BANKRUPT in 1962 through spending money they didnt have, i remember NO TEAM in accy for 6 years after that. ya gotta face reality thats the way of it.
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So what's the alternative? Spend money we haven't got on a wage bill we can't afford in order to retain these players? It's a fact of life that a small club like ours will lose talented players from time to time. It's down to Coley and Jimmy to replace them by discovering "gems" in the lower leagues and they seem to do that very well.
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A football club is a buisness which a lot of football supporters fail to grasp Accrington Stanley operates in the black unlike many other clubs including many in the premeriship with all their tv money and the like let's give people like Eric and his team some thank's as they do a very difficult job well. Andy Todd's moved on so what he's probaly doing what I and most of you do and that is looking after himself and his family good luck to the lad and all the best and thank;s for the memories. It's a tough job finding replacements for anybody at any level in football with money or not it's Coley's job so let him get on with it he will stand or fall by result's like most people in life come on Stanley.
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Our average home gate for our first season back in the football league was 2,260. There was only one other club lower than this - Boston on 2,151. However, our average was artificially inflated by the Torquay gate. I reckon the figure for that match would have been sub-2,000, if it had been pay on the gate, and our average would have been even lower. Given figures like this, would anybody care to explain how we can afford to pay good wages...and stay in the black?
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The madmen in charge of the asylum strike again! It is no exaggeration to state that Stanley would now be a Conference side if not for Andy Todd's contribution towards the end of last season yet he is allowed to go. If ever there was a case for breaking the bank to retain a class player this was it. Don't bleat on about '62, the circumstances are completely different. This doesn't just say Stanley are a selling club - it says Stanley are a selling-out club. Buy a season ticket now? My Ricky Tomlinson!
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In common with some others on the board, I think the departure of Toddy, for whatever reason, is something that we have to accept. Remember the wailing, moaning and gnashing of teeth on this board when Rory and Evil went! Yet we won promotion the following season! Yes, Toddy did well last season and I wish him luck, but he's no world-beater and no player is bigger than the club. I'm sure he'll be replaced by someone with as much, or more, talent. Let's face it, Coley hasn't let us down yet and I'm sure he won't this time. In the words of the football genius.... Keep the Faith!
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It seems Stanley are at a crossroads.
It's either break the bank to get the quality players to push for league stability, or keep in the black and end up with Conference rejects; ultimately ending up back in non league quicker than you can say Justin Jackson. Actually, that's more of a T-junction. But the point is the same. We need money, and in the circumstances we're in now, we ain't getting it. Something needs to be done - quickly |
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Of course they're not, they must be better, by definition. The club's got it right for a lot of years. Let's not whinge until it's proven they've got it wrong this time. (Which doesn't mean I'm not nervous about how things are going so far this close season) |
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Yes we need to stick to a small budget as we are a small club. Having said that we can't afford to lose our best player to a free transfer to a team in the same league. What I can't understand was why a fringe player such as Tony Grant got a longer contract when a key player such as Todd wasn't offered a longer deal. I know he had to travel far and he was looking out for his family but all the same we've lost the fan's player of the year - the player that carried us for the majority of the season. More money and new players needed. At least Grant's going.
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grants longer deal included that of player-coach
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Where is this money coming from? It's not coming through the turnstiles and that's for sure. I have a recording of an interview Eric gave at the beginning of last season where he is asked what will happen if the fans don't start coming through the gates. "Put my hand in my pocket again", he says. And yet people on here bleat and moan about one player being allowed to leave. It's beyond belief. There is no magic formula for our situation in the short term. It'lll take a long time to build a new, bigger fan base and until then we need to operate within a workable budget. We may eventually have to admit defeat and accept that Accrington can't support a league team, but at least with the current Board we're giving it a go. |
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its a pity we are a selling club isn't it imagine the team with Ormerod, Mullin and Evil up front, Gary and Toddy supplying the crosses and Craney and Barry closing down the midfield. Just three at the back needed and we could sack Coley for the option of Kevin Keegan. Maybe we'd still have Wilson and Clarke as the full backs?
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Well, I am a Rotherham fan and have to say that the stinger of league football is the money. We lost our 2 best players mid way through this season to Watford who paid them 8 times the salary we could afford. It is that loss that saw our slide back into relegation and subsequent drop. Our wages will probably be the highest in league 2 next season with some players being on £1500 - £2000 per week, but if we aren't in the top 3 from the off, I reckon we might be in trouble. We need at least 4000 through the turnstyles every week to sustain it. Anyway, Andy Todd sounds like a decent player, just what we need (a hard working midfielder). Do you think he is capable of playing at a higher level??
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I just want to say a big thank you to Toddy for all his efforts for us at Stanley and he will be missed.
Good luck at Rotherham to you and your family Andy, but please don't score or play well against us !!! :D :D :D |
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I have never claimed to be "the voice of sanity" just expressed views that, understandably, some people disagree with strongly. However, I stick by what I stated and pose the question....How do the club, given however much time, build a new and bigger fan base when potential fans read/hear that Stanley are letting their best players leave? After the departures of Gary and Ian a lot of fans would have said Andy Todd was, perhaps, the best player on the club's books. A deal to tie him to the club - good management with foresight - could and should have been instituted then. The `services` of several under-performing players could have been dispensed with to fund such an approach.
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Just read the fishy site
Andy was offered an extension to his contract at the Fraser Eagle Stadium, but has chosen to go to Millmoor on a two year deal. I`m as broken hearted as anyone but if they`re gonna go they`re gonna go. Good luck Toddy and thanks for everything. Just have 2 serious off days when you play against us. |
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If he did....And? :confused: Picture the scene. You're working at ASDA. Suddenly Tesco arrive and say they'll double your wages AND let you work in role more convinient to you. You'd turn it down over "loyalty"?
Get real. Football is not the gentlemanly game it once once, where a footballer lived in every street, and had a fag and pint with the fans. It is A BUSINESS. Toddy was 27, leaving him with say, 5 years of his best football left. It's a short career, he's got a family to cater for. Who could blame him if he left for money? Toody gave everything at Accy and deserves better then to be painted out as a money grabbing fiend which fc:stanley suggests. I fully endorse Erics decision not to break the wage structure for Toddy. Id rather watch Stanley get relegated into the Coinference, then spend money we dont have and not have a club at all. Coley WILL replace him, just as he replaced Gary with Shaun. ON STANLEY ON and Keep The Faith!!!! |
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