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Arkwright 17-05-2007 15:23

Todd gone to Rotherham
 
On the BBC site now.

Nothing on the fishy site surprisingly.


b*gger

accymel 17-05-2007 15:26

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Oh noooo hope its not true but probably is, we need to keep our best players :(

grinch 17-05-2007 15:30

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Is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Signed a two year deal

JEFF 17-05-2007 15:32

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...td/6666737.stm

AccyMad 17-05-2007 15:38

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******! ******! ******! The curse of the player of the year award strikes again - apart from Mullers, quite a few players in the recent past who have been given it clear off just afterwards. Good luck to the lad but what a disappointment for us fans.

grinch 17-05-2007 15:38

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Isnt Rotherham further away than Accrington from his home? I thought he was taking his time over the contract because of the distance. Oh well start suggesting left sided midfielders we could attreact? Bring back Sean, if he finds his true form he'd would be amazing

John_Timmins 17-05-2007 15:39

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bollocks!!!

JEFF 17-05-2007 15:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grinch (Post 426081)
Isnt Rotherham further away than Accrington from his home? I thought he was taking his time over the contract because of the distance.

I think he lives near Nottingham, Rotherham is nearer to Nottingham than Accrington is

Quote:

Oh well start suggesting left sided midfielders we could attreact? Bring back Sean, if he finds his true form he'd would be amazing
Didn't Andy Todd play on the right side of midfield?

fc:stanley 17-05-2007 15:56

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ooo ******! Why! Such a great player to the club aswell :(

smudgie 17-05-2007 15:59

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what a joke, not happy

maccawozzagod 17-05-2007 16:00

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I'd like to know how much more he wanted in order to sign for us again!!!!


and we'll be playing these monkeys next season - he'd better not play well

Alvin the chipmunk 17-05-2007 16:00

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Good luck Toddy. I aint gonna preach on about loyalty like I know some others will, because I know it's your job, and being 27 you have to go for the best deal you can. You will be fondly remembered at Accy. Just dont get the ball and score a goal on your return to the FES!!!

PS: So this is what Coley meant when he said that fans favourites might b e leaving...

maccawozzagod 17-05-2007 16:02

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but Jay Harris has signed on ...... its all on the fishy now.

smudgie 17-05-2007 16:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 426100)
but Jay Harris has signed on ...... its all on the fishy now.




yes good news about harris but lets not forget hes 20 years old, which means he will be paid peanuts compared to some of the older players.


It wouldent surprise me if rotherham have doubled todd's money.

shakermaker 17-05-2007 16:30

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Toddy's probably gone for the money for which he can't be blamed.
Our priority must be to keep our best players & giving them contrract ultimatums won't help that, only money will.
In short, we're bollocksed.

Doug 17-05-2007 16:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Timmins (Post 426082)
bollocks!!!


Ditto..............................:mad:

grinch 17-05-2007 16:38

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ok he played right but he can play both wings and we still need a left sider i feel. gd news on jay though. Who is still holding out on contracts?

Bagpuss 17-05-2007 16:39

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Stick your season ticket up your ar*e Mr Whalley we want a roof but not at the expense of our best players, go now Whalley.

Bagpuss 17-05-2007 16:43

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Sorry Macca I'm not going tomorrow now, no fu*king ambition, extremely anger.

accymel 17-05-2007 16:55

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Well if thats the case we'd better get a good talented player to replace Toddy - he was our rock this year:(

smudgie 17-05-2007 17:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 426111)
Toddy's probably gone for the money for which he can't be blamed.
Our priority must be to keep our best players & giving them contrract ultimatums won't help that, only money will.
In short, we're bollocksed.




The words nail and head comes to mind :mad:

ukcowboy 17-05-2007 17:06

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To say Im annoyed would be the understatement of the decade :mad: :mad: :mad: .............just what the hell is going on, and who the hell do we get to replace Him??

To Toddy, I say, good luck and thank you for giving us somthing to cheer about this season.

Shaker said it all................we're bolloxed!:mad:

smudgie 17-05-2007 17:08

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it really is a disgrace im not ****in happy.

How the hell does whalley think we can keep players by payin **** poor wages is beyond me.

I think this might be the season when everything comes to the forefront, they have been paying poor for years.

I know a player that could earn more money playing part time for a club 3 divisions below than what stanley offered him when we where in the conference, JOKE

Redash 17-05-2007 17:09

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Sean Whalley is a right footer, he should slot straight into Toddies position, now we are needing a left footed, pacey winger.

ossyclogger 17-05-2007 17:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 426114)
Stick your season ticket up your ar*e Mr Whalley we want a roof but not at the expense of our best players, go now Whalley.


What a waffler you are bagpuss . Will we also have the pleasure of losing your company on here as well ?

Tin Monkey 17-05-2007 17:14

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Well done the club!!! I can't believe how narrow minded you people are.

Stick to the wage structure and there will be a Stanley team for years to come. Break it and the club will be dead inside 5 years. Crowds of 2000 don't allow for all players demands.

Todd was good for us, as he gave 100% every game. It's a shame he's left as I liked him alot. He wasn't the best player in the world, but his effort was second to none.
However, if the club has to let him leave to keep on budget, then I say goodbye Toddy. You've been great, but it's time to go!!!!

smudgie 17-05-2007 17:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Redash (Post 426132)
Sean Whalley is a right footer, he should slot straight into Toddies position, now we are needing a left footed, pacey winger.



and how many of them do you see knocking about????:confused:

harwood red 17-05-2007 17:16

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:( Absolutely gutted, it may not just have been about money, the fact that he has been offered a 2 year contract and may only have been offered 1 at stanley may have been the clincher.

Thanks for the memories Andy and good luck, but not when playing us.!!

And who knows maybe the decision was completely out of the clubs hands...

Remember we have been here before when we have lost good players, and found new good players, so you never know who we might have lining up soon ...keep the faith people instead of instantly jumping down the clubs throats

grinch 17-05-2007 17:17

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we had one but he was shown the door i say try n resign Sean

Redash 17-05-2007 17:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426135)
and how many of them do you see knocking about????:confused:

We've just let one go:mad:

Bagpuss 17-05-2007 17:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ossyclogger (Post 426133)
What a waffler you are bagpuss . Will we also have the pleasure of losing your company on here as well ?

I never did warm to your views either and a few of us still remember when you abused me then let slip in a moment of excitment that you are one of the two moderators in the Stanley section. Because you are a moderator you will ban me so yep you could be right you may lose my company so I'm off to find Whalley and see what the bloody hell is going on.

smudgie 17-05-2007 17:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Redash (Post 426139)
We've just let one go:mad:




well put. another whalley/ coleman clanger:mad:

harwood red 17-05-2007 17:28

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For goodness sake we don't know for a fact that it was their decision...maybe it was out of their hands!!!! Lets not play guesswork eh??

Yes it could be cos we won't pay him enough, it could be didn't offer him long enough contract....

but it could so easily be that its nearer home and he feels there is more chance of going back up with rotherham than with stanley....

who knows!!??!!

Yes lets be fed up he's gone, but lets also wish him the best of luck and hope that coley works his magic and gets some fab new signings in soon

ossyclogger 17-05-2007 17:30

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A while ago I dared to criticise the management and I was crucified for it . I had negative karma , I received hate pms etc etc. We still have the same managment now , and we are going to start our 2nd season in the league . So what has changed , except that I am happy and you lot have all changed into moaning minnies . As I was told previously "He's only one player , and one player doesn't make a team ".

smudgie 17-05-2007 17:30

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im sure if we had offered him the right money and over 2 years he would have stayed no problem.


like i said earlier DISGRACE

ossyclogger 17-05-2007 17:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426144)
im sure if we had offered him the right money and over 2 years he would have stayed no problem.


like i said earlier DISGRACE

if you have so much money why didn't you make him an offer ?

smudgie 17-05-2007 17:37

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i would have done if eric would have let me.

lancsdave 17-05-2007 17:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426130)
How the hell does whalley think we can keep players by payin **** poor wages is beyond me.


Aren't league 2 clubs salary capped ?

smudgie 17-05-2007 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 426147)
Aren't league 2 clubs salary capped ?



somehow i dont think eric would be paying the maximum........

harwood red 17-05-2007 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 426147)
Aren't league 2 clubs salary capped ?

yes but it is a well known fact that stanley do pay alot less than other league clubs...mostly would think due to low attendance in comparison

ukcowboy 17-05-2007 17:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 426147)
Aren't league 2 clubs salary capped ?

Yes Lancsdave they are mate, however I think that Smudgie was referong to the fact that Stanley openly admit to paying nearly 50% less than the 'going rate' for a league 2 player.

stanleyfan 17-05-2007 17:52

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Dont worry. I am upset that he is leaving but think about it. He came from a team that were lower than use and he couldnt even get into their team. Coley will find some new stars. It was like this when Rory left. There are plenty of good footballers about.

Kiwi John 17-05-2007 17:54

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I can't believe most of you guys either.Clearly Toddy was regarded as a very important member of the team by you,but NO ONE IS INDESPENCEABLE. If Eric had the doe-ray-me, he would offer the wanted ones more,but as TIN MONKEY says," Stick to the wage structure and there will be a Stanley for years" etc.. Bet you anything you like a new hero will emerge in Toddy's old position.

ossyclogger 17-05-2007 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 426140)
I never did warm to your views either and a few of us still remember when you abused me then let slip in a moment of excitment that you are one of the two moderators in the Stanley section. Because you are a moderator you will ban me so yep you could be right you may lose my company so I'm off to find Whalley and see what the bloody hell is going on.

You don't know what abuse is for one thing , and for another, I'm not petty enough to ban you . It's not worth the effort . Whalley is just off the A59 if that helps you at all .

maccawozzagod 17-05-2007 18:00

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quite agree with Tin Monkey and Ossy and Kiwi - we must stick to the wage structure

But Toddy has not gone for the money - see the Observer tomorrow/tonight. He has been driving up from Hucknall every day for the past year and a half, that puts at least four hours on his day. EVERY DAY. He has spoken to his wife and they have decided to take an offer from a club that is less than an hour away from his home. Rotherham are only 10 months out of administration that threatened to kill them, do you honestly think they would be paying silly wages?

Yet again people have jumped down the throats of the club without being fully aware of the facts. Maybe that is the clubs fault for not advertising the full facts but regardless .......

Good luck Toddy and thanks for the memories.

baldy 17-05-2007 18:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 426134)
Well done the club!!! I can't believe how narrow minded you people are.

Stick to the wage structure and there will be a Stanley team for years to come. Break it and the club will be dead inside 5 years. Crowds of 2000 don't allow for all players demands.

Todd was good for us, as he gave 100% every game. It's a shame he's left as I liked him alot. He wasn't the best player in the world, but his effort was second to none.
However, if the club has to let him leave to keep on budget, then I say goodbye Toddy. You've been great, but it's time to go!!!!

Ditto, no matter how much toddy was a great player for us and how much i am gutted that hes left, the club have to look after the financial side, we cant just be givin toddy or any other player for this matter money we might not have.

I think alot of people have just come on here and seen toddys left and been disspointed and just slagged Eric off, but i belive Toddy can be replaced just like Rory, Evil and Gary have been replaced.

And how can people say its all about money??
Rotherham...bigger club...better facilites...bigger fan base to attract players, closer to toddys home...

But... the town of Accrington as a whole need to support the club so they can offer decent money to player, you not think?

GOOD LOOK TODDY!!!

Redraine 17-05-2007 18:27

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Ok, so we are never going to be able to build a successful, settled team in the middle or long term. I wonder if there are any statistics available which show player turnover per club? Think we would come top of the league?
Our problems are just like Rovers, albeit on a completely different scale! Their messageboard is full of fans moaning about clubs trying to poach their best players, but we and they just have to keep unearthing the Derbyshire's and McGivern's of this world.:)

[email protected] 17-05-2007 18:29

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Its only May, we have plenty of time to get a replacement!
Good luck Toddy!:cool:

Wynonie Harris 17-05-2007 18:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426141)
well put. another whalley/ coleman clanger:mad:

Shame on you. These are the men who, in their different ways brought Stanley from the dark depths of Unibond One to their present position and they certainly don't deserve the sort of comments you're dishing out.

As Macca has said, Toddy left for other reasons apart from money. However, supposing he had left for money? Could you please explain how we can pay higher wages to players when we get, in real terms, the lowest gates in the football league?

[email protected] 17-05-2007 18:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 426118)
Sorry Macca I'm not going tomorrow now, no fu*king ambition, extremely anger.

Oh no! and I was so looking forward to seeing you on the karaoke!!:music8:

ossyclogger 17-05-2007 18:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 426174)
Shame on you. These are the men who, in their different ways brought Stanley from the dark depths of Unibond One to their present position and they certainly don't deserve the sort of comments you're dishing out.

As Macca has said, Toddy left for other reasons apart from money. However, supposing he had left for money? Could you please explain how we can pay higher wages to players when we get, in real terms, the lowest gates in the football league?

You're spot on Mate . If it was left to these people , there wouldnt be a club to run .

smudgie 17-05-2007 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 426174)
Shame on you. These are the men who, in their different ways brought Stanley from the dark depths of Unibond One to their present position and they certainly don't deserve the sort of comments you're dishing out.

As Macca has said, Toddy left for other reasons apart from money. However, supposing he had left for money? Could you please explain how we can pay higher wages to players when we get, in real terms, the lowest gates in the football league?


its simple really, prices are to expensive. Lower the prices more fans? more turnover. However people would be prepared to pay for a better service, realistically and as everyone knows our ground is a disgrace compared to the majority of the rest of the league.

We have to be realistic ive been goin on the stanley for 12 years and i couldent afford to go to every game with a full family.

Course toddy left for money, the guy slogs his guts out all season and deservadly gets player of the year. He gets offered better money over a longer period at a different club.

What would you do? Id be straight to rotheram for one.

Yes the issue of distance is there but you honestly think we offered him enough to stay, not a chance.

ukcowboy 17-05-2007 18:39

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Here is the link to what Toddy has said on His move:-

http://www.themillers.premiumtv.co.u...026760,00.html

On reflection, I may have been a little hasty with my views I posted earlier, having calmed down a little Im sure that we will replace Him soon enough!.........Still sorry to see Him go though!

smudgie 17-05-2007 18:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ossyclogger (Post 426178)
You're spot on Mate . If it was left to these people , there wouldnt be a club to run .


this is a public messageboard and as long as im not insulting anybody am entitled to an opinion whether you think its good or not.

[email protected] 17-05-2007 18:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 426181)
Here is the link to what Toddy has said on His move:-

http://www.themillers.premiumtv.co.u...026760,00.html

On reflection, I may have been a little hasty with my views I posted earlier, having calmed down a little Im sure that we will replace Him soon enough!.........Still sorry to see Him go though!

Reminds me of early last season! Eric!!!!!!!!;)

ossyclogger 17-05-2007 18:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426182)
this is a public messageboard and as long as im not insulting anybody am entitled to an opinion whether you think its good or not.


Did I say you wern't ?

ukcowboy 17-05-2007 18:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 426189)
Reminds me of early last season! Eric!!!!!!!!;)

Perhaps, but whos principles would you rather I had?..............;)

Redraine 17-05-2007 18:53

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Toddy is impressed with Rotherham's pitch. With global warming gathering pace ours is going to be like a beach in a couple of years. Seriously, it was horrible watching the ball pinging about towards the end of the season.

Wynonie Harris 17-05-2007 18:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426179)
Course toddy left for money,

Funny, I could've sworn Macca said exactly the opposite. Still, you know better, don't you?

As for prices, I would say our prices compare quite favourably with the majority of division two clubs. I've certainly paid the same or in many cases more at many of the away grounds I've been to this season.

And the ground? Well, maybe you'd like us to run up a big overdraft, spending money we haven't got on lots of expensive improvements?

Think I'd prefer to stick with Eric and Coley and their "clangers"!

[email protected] 17-05-2007 18:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 426199)
Perhaps, but whos principles would you rather I had?..............;)

Stick by your :Banane36: :Banane36:

The Green Lantern 17-05-2007 18:58

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Oh well, i am disappointed but I couldnt travel 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours at night every day! Good luck toddy

[email protected] 17-05-2007 19:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern (Post 426215)
Oh well, i am disappointed but I couldnt travel 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours at night every day! Good luck toddy

You could if your working day was only 4 hours running about a bit!:Banane21: :Banane21: :Banane21: :banane58: :banane58: :Banane21: :Banane21: :Banane21:

Tin Monkey 17-05-2007 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 426205)
Think I'd prefer to stick with Eric and Coley and their "clangers"!

Just look at teams like Bradford. Threw everything at the Premier League and just a few years later are in the same league as us.

I've been criticised plenty of times for having a go at the club, but this time they've got it spot on. It's ok saying we have no ambition and that we'll never build a successful team at this level, but maybe we just aren't in a position to do so with the levels of income the club has at the moment.

There are enormous levels of over-reation on this thread. Toddy was great while he was with us, but he wasn't a Gary Roberts was he? We will replace him and with someone better than Doherty, who some crazy people were calling to be returned.

As I said earlier, the club must stick to a budget and remain healthy. If that means players move on, then so be it. They can and will be replaced!

Redraine 17-05-2007 19:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 426222)
It's ok saying we have no ambition and that we'll never build a successful team at this level

Who said we would never build a successful team at this level? I only said we would never build a SETTLED team mid/long term. Of course we can be successful with Coley's continuing Midas touch.

The Green Lantern 17-05-2007 19:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 426220)
You could if your working day was only 4 hours running about a bit!:Banane21: :Banane21: :Banane21: :banane58: :banane58: :Banane21: :Banane21: :Banane21:

I couldnt!!!!:D Did the greggs 5 mile run on sunday at Heaton park for childrens cancer charity. Ran for the first 50 yards and walked the rest!! Took me 1hr 20 minutes

smudgie 17-05-2007 19:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 426222)
Just look at teams like Bradford. Threw everything at the Premier League and just a few years later are in the same league as us.

I've been criticised plenty of times for having a go at the club, but this time they've got it spot on. It's ok saying we have no ambition and that we'll never build a successful team at this level, but maybe we just aren't in a position to do so with the levels of income the club has at the moment.

There are enormous levels of over-reation on this thread. Toddy was great while he was with us, but he wasn't a Gary Roberts was he? We will replace him and with someone better than Doherty, who some crazy people were calling to be returned.

As I said earlier, the club must stick to a budget and remain healthy. If that means players move on, then so be it. They can and will be replaced!


yes but the point is we HAVENT replaced players of equal quality in the past so what makes you think we are gonna get sum1 better than Todd??

Haggis316 17-05-2007 19:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by baldy (Post 426158)

And how can people say its all about money??
Rotherham...bigger club...better facilites...bigger fan base to attract players, closer to toddys home...

Not what I hear most nights on Radio Sheffield's Football Heaven. Not listening for the depressed.

They seem to have been going from one crisis to another over the last 2 years.

They are currently in a dispute with CF Booth over rent arrears on their ground of which the main stand has only been partly rebuilt and the fans have been dwindling.

shakermaker 17-05-2007 19:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426245)
yes but the point is we HAVENT replaced players of equal quality in the past so what makes you think we are gonna get sum1 better than Todd??

To be fair, we've replaced a lot of our departing players with better players.
For example Russ Payne -> Rory Prendergast -> Gary Roberts.

But it goes without saying that it is getting more and more difficult to attract players as we succeed.

Tin Monkey 17-05-2007 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426245)
yes but the point is we HAVENT replaced players of equal quality in the past so what makes you think we are gonna get sum1 better than Todd??

Of course we have. Shaker points out just one example from one position. You are living in dreamland if you think we can keep signing players of better quality without increasing the club's income.

Alvin the chipmunk 17-05-2007 20:20

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Money, pitch, promotion, and close proximity to his house? Bollocks!!! We all know the real reason Toddy joined Rotherham is because he is a huge fan of the Chuckle Brothers ;)

For those who dont know, they are life presidents at Rotherham.

maccawozzagod 17-05-2007 20:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alvin the chipmunk (Post 426270)
Money, pitch, promotion, and close proximity to his house? Bollocks!!! We all know the real reason Toddy joined Rotherham is because he is a huge fan of the Chuckle Brothers ;)

For those who dont know, they are life presidents at Rotherham.

it made me chuckle anyway

Haggis316 17-05-2007 20:24

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I wasn't that impressed with what I saw of Andy in the Conference and I did not think he would be particularly successful in the transition to the league so I was a bit surprised when he got a 1 year contract. How wrong I was!

I thought he looked a bit tired in the last 2 games of the season but I suppose he was entitled to after what he'd contributed not to mention the commuting.

Hucknall is north Nottingham and just down the M1 and an average first team player would command about £55k per annum at Rotherham I should imagine.

BTLawson 17-05-2007 21:07

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Fair play to Todd he stuck around till the end of the season before moving unlike 2 players that I can think of. He's been a big player for us and you can't blame for moving to a club thats nearer to home. I don't think it was about the money if you look at Rotherham's financial situation. The club should have more of an effort sooner to keep him. Plenty more signings to be made though.

cashman 17-05-2007 21:22

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think those who are knocking should remember Stanley went BANKRUPT in 1962 through spending money they didnt have, i remember NO TEAM in accy for 6 years after that. ya gotta face reality thats the way of it.

BTLawson 17-05-2007 21:30

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 426324)
think those who are knocking should remember Stanley went BANKRUPT in 1962 through spending money they didnt have, i remember NO TEAM in accy for 6 years after that. ya gotta face reality thats the way of it.

Fair point BUT if we continue to lose key players, relegation looms. Should this happen, attendances will drop and the club will eventually go bankrupt again.

maccawozzagod 17-05-2007 21:33

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no it wont

Wynonie Harris 17-05-2007 21:37

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So what's the alternative? Spend money we haven't got on a wage bill we can't afford in order to retain these players? It's a fact of life that a small club like ours will lose talented players from time to time. It's down to Coley and Jimmy to replace them by discovering "gems" in the lower leagues and they seem to do that very well.

Porky 17-05-2007 21:49

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A football club is a buisness which a lot of football supporters fail to grasp Accrington Stanley operates in the black unlike many other clubs including many in the premeriship with all their tv money and the like let's give people like Eric and his team some thank's as they do a very difficult job well. Andy Todd's moved on so what he's probaly doing what I and most of you do and that is looking after himself and his family good luck to the lad and all the best and thank;s for the memories. It's a tough job finding replacements for anybody at any level in football with money or not it's Coley's job so let him get on with it he will stand or fall by result's like most people in life come on Stanley.

Wynonie Harris 17-05-2007 22:00

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Our average home gate for our first season back in the football league was 2,260. There was only one other club lower than this - Boston on 2,151. However, our average was artificially inflated by the Torquay gate. I reckon the figure for that match would have been sub-2,000, if it had been pay on the gate, and our average would have been even lower. Given figures like this, would anybody care to explain how we can afford to pay good wages...and stay in the black?

qualtrough 17-05-2007 22:00

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The madmen in charge of the asylum strike again! It is no exaggeration to state that Stanley would now be a Conference side if not for Andy Todd's contribution towards the end of last season yet he is allowed to go. If ever there was a case for breaking the bank to retain a class player this was it. Don't bleat on about '62, the circumstances are completely different. This doesn't just say Stanley are a selling club - it says Stanley are a selling-out club. Buy a season ticket now? My Ricky Tomlinson!

Oldgobbin 17-05-2007 22:12

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In common with some others on the board, I think the departure of Toddy, for whatever reason, is something that we have to accept. Remember the wailing, moaning and gnashing of teeth on this board when Rory and Evil went! Yet we won promotion the following season! Yes, Toddy did well last season and I wish him luck, but he's no world-beater and no player is bigger than the club. I'm sure he'll be replaced by someone with as much, or more, talent. Let's face it, Coley hasn't let us down yet and I'm sure he won't this time. In the words of the football genius.... Keep the Faith!

shakermaker 17-05-2007 22:13

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It seems Stanley are at a crossroads.

It's either break the bank to get the quality players to push for league stability, or keep in the black and end up with Conference rejects; ultimately ending up back in non league quicker than you can say Justin Jackson.
Actually, that's more of a T-junction.
But the point is the same.
We need money, and in the circumstances we're in now, we ain't getting it.

Something needs to be done - quickly

Wynonie Harris 17-05-2007 22:14

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Originally Posted by qualtrough (Post 426379)
The madmen in charge of the asylum strike again!

And here's "the voice of sanity"! The fan who wants John Coleman to resign! The fan who wants us to start spending money we haven't got! Is this really a wise course of action??

Chimer 17-05-2007 22:18

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 426245)
yes but the point is we HAVENT replaced players of equal quality in the past so what makes you think we are gonna get sum1 better than Todd??

If we haven't, how come we've just survived in the highest league we've played in since 1962 ? Are the players we have (OK, had at the end of the season) not of equal quality to those we had in the Unibond ?

Of course they're not, they must be better, by definition. The club's got it right for a lot of years. Let's not whinge until it's proven they've got it wrong this time.

(Which doesn't mean I'm not nervous about how things are going so far this close season)

BTLawson 17-05-2007 22:26

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Yes we need to stick to a small budget as we are a small club. Having said that we can't afford to lose our best player to a free transfer to a team in the same league. What I can't understand was why a fringe player such as Tony Grant got a longer contract when a key player such as Todd wasn't offered a longer deal. I know he had to travel far and he was looking out for his family but all the same we've lost the fan's player of the year - the player that carried us for the majority of the season. More money and new players needed. At least Grant's going.

maccawozzagod 17-05-2007 22:36

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grants longer deal included that of player-coach

Tin Monkey 18-05-2007 06:13

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Originally Posted by BTLawson (Post 426415)
More money and new players needed.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Isn't that what everyone has been saying for a long time, especially the club itself?

Where is this money coming from? It's not coming through the turnstiles and that's for sure.
I have a recording of an interview Eric gave at the beginning of last season where he is asked what will happen if the fans don't start coming through the gates. "Put my hand in my pocket again", he says. And yet people on here bleat and moan about one player being allowed to leave. It's beyond belief.

There is no magic formula for our situation in the short term. It'lll take a long time to build a new, bigger fan base and until then we need to operate within a workable budget.
We may eventually have to admit defeat and accept that Accrington can't support a league team, but at least with the current Board we're giving it a go.

maccawozzagod 18-05-2007 06:45

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its a pity we are a selling club isn't it imagine the team with Ormerod, Mullin and Evil up front, Gary and Toddy supplying the crosses and Craney and Barry closing down the midfield. Just three at the back needed and we could sack Coley for the option of Kevin Keegan. Maybe we'd still have Wilson and Clarke as the full backs?

antonhill 18-05-2007 08:00

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Well, I am a Rotherham fan and have to say that the stinger of league football is the money. We lost our 2 best players mid way through this season to Watford who paid them 8 times the salary we could afford. It is that loss that saw our slide back into relegation and subsequent drop. Our wages will probably be the highest in league 2 next season with some players being on £1500 - £2000 per week, but if we aren't in the top 3 from the off, I reckon we might be in trouble. We need at least 4000 through the turnstyles every week to sustain it. Anyway, Andy Todd sounds like a decent player, just what we need (a hard working midfielder). Do you think he is capable of playing at a higher level??

Urban Spaceman 18-05-2007 08:27

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I just want to say a big thank you to Toddy for all his efforts for us at Stanley and he will be missed.

Good luck at Rotherham to you and your family Andy, but please don't score or play well against us !!! :D :D :D

JEFF 18-05-2007 08:39

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Originally Posted by BTLawson (Post 426415)
What I can't understand was why a fringe player such as Tony Grant got a longer contract when a key player such as Todd wasn't offered a longer deal.

How do you know that he wasn't offered a longer deal? How does anybody know that he is being paid more money at Rotherham. How does anybody know what money Stanley offered him. Toddy left to work nearer his home. Stanley didn't let him go HE WENT OF HIS OWN ACCORD. It has been stated by plenty on here that he went for more money, please will one of you tell me how much he was on at Stanley and how much he is on at Rotherham as you all seem to know. HE WAS OUT OF CONTRACT AND HE WENT FOR ANOTHER JOB, it's not Stanley's doing so stop slagging off Stanley for letting him go and maybe start slagging off Toddy for going. HE LEFT, STANLEY DIDN'T LET HIM GO.

AccyMad 18-05-2007 09:10

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Originally Posted by antonhill (Post 426490)
Well, I am a Rotherham fan and have to say that the stinger of league football is the money. We lost our 2 best players mid way through this season to Watford who paid them 8 times the salary we could afford. It is that loss that saw our slide back into relegation and subsequent drop. Our wages will probably be the highest in league 2 next season with some players being on £1500 - £2000 per week, but if we aren't in the top 3 from the off, I reckon we might be in trouble. We need at least 4000 through the turnstyles every week to sustain it. Anyway, Andy Todd sounds like a decent player, just what we need (a hard working midfielder). Do you think he is capable of playing at a higher level??

Toddy will work his socks off - no doubt about it, you're lucky to have got him. But what's this about playing at a higher level? - We'll be in the same league next season you know:rolleyes:

qualtrough 18-05-2007 09:16

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I have never claimed to be "the voice of sanity" just expressed views that, understandably, some people disagree with strongly. However, I stick by what I stated and pose the question....How do the club, given however much time, build a new and bigger fan base when potential fans read/hear that Stanley are letting their best players leave? After the departures of Gary and Ian a lot of fans would have said Andy Todd was, perhaps, the best player on the club's books. A deal to tie him to the club - good management with foresight - could and should have been instituted then. The `services` of several under-performing players could have been dispensed with to fund such an approach.

smudgie 18-05-2007 10:10

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Originally Posted by qualtrough (Post 426514)
I have never claimed to be "the voice of sanity" just expressed views that, understandably, some people disagree with strongly. However, I stick by what I stated and pose the question....How do the club, given however much time, build a new and bigger fan base when potential fans read/hear that Stanley are letting their best players leave? After the departures of Gary and Ian a lot of fans would have said Andy Todd was, perhaps, the best player on the club's books. A deal to tie him to the club - good management with foresight - could and should have been instituted then. The `services` of several under-performing players could have been dispensed with to fund such an approach.


well put, at last sum1 that talks some sense

Zero 18-05-2007 10:24

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Just read the fishy site

Andy was offered an extension to his contract at the Fraser Eagle Stadium, but has chosen to go to Millmoor on a two year deal.

I`m as broken hearted as anyone but if they`re gonna go they`re gonna go.

Good luck Toddy and thanks for everything.
Just have 2 serious off days when you play against us.

JEFF 18-05-2007 10:39

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Originally Posted by qualtrough (Post 426514)
A deal to tie him to the club - good management with foresight - could and should have been instituted then. The `services` of several under-performing players could have been dispensed with to fund such an approach.

If I remember Coley had been chasing Toddy for a couple of seasons but he would not come because of the travelling involved, he came on loan from Burton because he wasn't getting a game and agreed to sign for one season to see if it was suitable for him with all the travelling involved. If he didn't want to be tied to the club with a longer deal there is nothing Stanley could have done about it. Why don't you just realise TODDY HAS REFUSED TO SIGN FOR STANLEY BECAUSE HE LIVES TOO FAR AWAY. Rotherham is more convenient for him, it is about 115 miles from where he lives to Accrington and only 36 miles from where he lives to Rotherham, that works out at about 800 miles a week less travelling which is approx £100 saving in petrol alone. Stanley offered him a deal and Rotherham offered him a deal - he chose Rotherham, it is Toddy's decision not Stanley's. You mention 'A deal to tie him to the Club- good management with foresight' Toddy was offered a deal and he chose to accept another one - don't blame Coley, Eric, or Stanley.

fc:stanley 18-05-2007 10:52

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 426535)
Rotherham is more convenient for him, it is about 115 miles from where he lives to Accrington and only 36 miles from where he lives to Rotherham, that works out at about 800 miles a week less travelling which is approx £100 saving in petrol alone.

I dont think its nothing to do with saving £100 pound on petrol i even think eric would pay that for toddy! Yes rotherham is convenient but thats not a excuse to go! He could of rented a house in lancashire, Or maybe moved but he went to rotherham and the only reason people think is because of the money!

Alvin the chipmunk 18-05-2007 11:05

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If he did....And? :confused: Picture the scene. You're working at ASDA. Suddenly Tesco arrive and say they'll double your wages AND let you work in role more convinient to you. You'd turn it down over "loyalty"?

Get real. Football is not the gentlemanly game it once once, where a footballer lived in every street, and had a fag and pint with the fans.

It is A BUSINESS. Toddy was 27, leaving him with say, 5 years of his best football left. It's a short career, he's got a family to cater for. Who could blame him if he left for money? Toody gave everything at Accy and deserves better then to be painted out as a money grabbing fiend which fc:stanley suggests.

I fully endorse Erics decision not to break the wage structure for Toddy. Id rather watch Stanley get relegated into the Coinference, then spend money we dont have and not have a club at all.

Coley WILL replace him, just as he replaced Gary with Shaun.

ON STANLEY ON and Keep The Faith!!!!

JEFF 18-05-2007 11:08

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Originally Posted by fc:stanley (Post 426539)
I dont think its nothing to do with saving £100 pound on petrol i even think eric would pay that for toddy! Yes rotherham is convenient but thats not a excuse to go! He could of rented a house in lancashire, Or maybe moved but he went to rotherham and the only reason people think is because of the money!

I am sure that a 99% of people would accept a job 36 miles from home rather than accept a job 115 miles away from home, it's not just the petrol money it's the travelling time, getting stuck on the M62 on your way to work or on your way home, and as for renting a houe in Lancashire or moving - would you uproot your family for a year or two or accept a job where you did not have to.
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the only reason people think is because of the money
Exactly, people THINK it's because of the money, why don't you believe Toddy when he says he wants to work nearer home. Nobody knows what Stanley offered him and nobody knows what Rotherham are paying him. Rotheham have no money, they went into administration last year, that's why they started the season on -10 points.

fc:stanley 18-05-2007 11:12

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Originally Posted by Alvin the chipmunk (Post 426545)
Toody gave everything at Accy and deserves better then to be painted out as a money grabbing fiend which fc:stanley suggests

1. i didnt even say toddy was a money grabbing fiend! If u even read my post! :mad: I sed most people think its because of the money!


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