Has Coleman lost the dressing room?
 

Ive thought long and hard before posting this, however after yesterdays display against the Posh, I feel it begs the question.

To my mind there seems to be a lot of unrest among the players, lackluster performances,heads go down way too easily,silly bookings and a complete breakdown of communication at vital times in the match.

JC continually haranguing the officials, heated arguments in the dugout with JB ( they are usually pretty 'pally' ), His apparent total lack of tactical awareness/play, other employees of the club being petulant by throwing footballs on the pitch, and players who are substituted throwing their bibs at the dugout. Add to that McEvily's disgusting stamping incident and red card.........(Im not going to include Branchy's 2nd yellow as from where I was standing the opposition player dived,sorry 'simulated' and the assistant ref got it wrong)............and perhaps you can see where I'm coming from.

I genuinely hope that I'm 'barking up the wrong tree', but thoughts anyone?

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I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's gone that far yet.

There is definitely unrest amongst the players and a general lack of confidence. Whalley's bib throwing incident was more a sign of frustration I think, than a sign of unrest. He was very poor yesterday and he knew it.

When Coleman was arguing with the referee about the positioning of a throw-in (pathetic I know), I actually said to my mate that it was a sign of a desperate man.

Evil's sending off.... well it was hardly a surprise. He doesn't seem to have changed at all and is obviously living on Cloud 9. He didn't even warm up with the rest of the subs at half-time, but sat on the bench with Coleman. Hardly an act of a team player is it? If I'd have been Coleman, I'd have had him out with the others.

There is definitely a serious situation. Can it be put right?

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Perhaps the tensions and pressures of being the manager of Accrington Stanley, poverty-stricken football league club are finally beginning to show? Always having to make do with scraps off the table...rarely being able to make a decent offer for a player...taking a chance on a player who is recovering from a serious injury or who no other clubs want...trying to tempt players here with £27,000 a year, while other clubs are offering £50,000+...looking into the future and knowing that because we have to build a 1,000 seater stand on the Whinney Hill side by the end of next season and we are getting gates of 1,400, the already threadbare playing budget will be cut even more...wouldn't the pressure get to you in those circumstances?

And the real tragedy is that even if Coley went and we got another manager, he would find himself faced with exactly the same near-impossible working conditions.

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12 months ago, almost to the day, I was having a real pop at our manager saying that he wasn't good enough etc. etc. etc.

Oh how I've had to eat my words.

OK so your season has started badly, but come on fellas, Coley doesn't suddenly become a crap manager overnight.

Get behind him and your lads.....FFS!

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well said CC....... there is so much negativity on here at the moment that any body on here thinking of going to the FES for the first time wouldnt bother.....

we are in the football league

we have a roof

we have a good manager

we have a chairman who isnt going to let the club go under through financial mismanagement

we have the the best fans in the world

we have no prawn sandwiches

there are over a 100 points still to play for enough to get us promoted

REASON TO BE CHEERFUL

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No, he doesn't, but possibly the circumstances he is working under are finally getting to him.

Your first home league match in the football league, against Barnet who I'm sure didn't bring many, brought in 3,633. Our first home match in the league last season, against Darlington who brought around 800, attracted 2,667.

Your second home league match against Mansfield brought in 2,980. Ours against Barnet attracted 1,639.

Tells its own story, doesn't it?

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What a disgusting topic. We lost three league games and won one.

When they say get behind your team they don't mean with a knife in your hand.

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Comments like this always bemuse me. This is a forum for discussing all things Stanley. Why shouldn't this be a valid topic for discussion?
Just because someone has been successful in the past, doesn't make them immune from discussion in the present.

I work in a job in which I am constently judged in terms of results. If I am very unsuccessful one year, claiming that I was successful 2 years ago isn't going to protect me from criticism by my superiors.
The same goes for most result driven occupations.

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why is this a disgusting topic,this is an asfc forum,and every one has the right voice there opinions,lets look at the facts
1.asfc have lost the last 4 games
2.asfc have not scored in the last 4 games
3.john colemans questionable team selections
4.john colemans questionable team substitutions
5.lack of team moral
6. arguements in the dug out with jimmy bell
7.persisting with mc,evily
the people of accrington will not come and watch the dross that asfc are playing at the moment,perhaps it is time for EW to wield the axe,remember stan allen,he was sacked after 3 games at the start off 1 uni- bond season and he won the 1st two and drew the 3rd,the buck stops with the manager,john coleman is the football league and prem,s 3rd longest serving manager with now 8 years.perhaps this is were the problem lies,has he taken asfc as far as he can,and please dont anyone go on about he is the best manager asfc had,thats all in the past,yes he has taken asfc from non-league to the football league but lets face it we were lucky to stay up last season,and its the present that matters and the only place asfc are going is back to the conference and lets be honest,thats where most of the 1st team deserve to be,
i am not saying that a new manager can change things overnight but at the moment unless drastic steps are taken then asfc are going nowhere fast,i have admired john coleman but perhaps he is out of his depth,and his stubborness and lack of communication skills will be his downfall,asfc have sacked managers before and moved on,perhaps its time for john coleman and jimmy bell to move on.

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I think Coley should should have our support!
The time too judge is not now!!
A couple of good results and we are right back in the mix, At worst the guy is passionate and whole hearted! We come on here and give our views it must be difficult for him to keep a lid on it! once the players go over the white line it is down to them! We can all influence and make a difference and be as one and get behind the team at times like this it really can make a difference!:)
Or as a wise man say's "Keep The Faith":)
Maybe more will come too light with the fans forum?

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I seem to remember a similiar thread last season, and what happened? Coley the Messiah kept us up. :) Keep the faith as the great man himself would say.

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we have played four teams who are expected to challenge this year wih vastly superior budgets. so lets get some perspective. the time to start worryin is if we start gettin beat at home to the lesser teams. i for one think that where not that far away from havin a good team. we keep the ball alot better than we ever have. but this seems to have lost us a bit of penetration. am lookin forward to seeing dsane start the next couple of games he will give us the sort of combo we havnt had since muliin/lutel. as for the manager takin us as far as he can. i think are club is already punching above its weight so lets give the man a break. with our gates and our budget we should be a middle of the road conference team (burton) so lets enjoy the adventure.

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Totally agree with you

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With EW going on about gates, surley the locals will only come to watch a team which is doing well, not one that is stuggling. Also i spoke to a few away fans last year that they come because it was a new ground and the history, but they have been once and won't come again

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I agree with some of your views but I don't think it is time for John or Jimmy to leave just yet. They kept us up last year and I believe that they will do the same this year. Yes we did have some luck but you make your own luck in this game and there was some great perfomances towards the end of last season.

Having said that I would like to know what exactly Coleman does with the players during the week. We make the same errors week in week out and delay making the passes which will open the opposition up. Its the same every week.

Its early days and as previously mentioned we have had some very difficult fixtures to begin the season. You can't say we are going to go back to the conference yet as we haven't played 'lesser' teams. Only then will we have an idea where we are going to finish and thats all that matters-where we finish in May as the table means nothing yet.

He hasn't lost the dressing room but the club is going through a bad patch:therefore we must get behind the management and players. We have come a long way in a short time and I think some people are
expecting too much too soon.

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I can't understand why after a handful of games your getting stuck into a manager that kept you in the league last season after losing two of the best players you've ever had at Stanley (Roberts & Craney) when on paper you were probably one of the favourites to go straight back down,
McIlroy will have worked the same wonders should he be able to keep Morecambe in the league for another season but judging by recent results it looks a distinct possibility,
A manager has to work within the budget his chairman will allow and it seems that Johns is not as substantial as it was previously, your home crowds will further complicate things on the financial front but from what i've seen on my travels there, you're a great little club with superb fans and it's high time you backed the manager and cheered on the players that you've idolised for many seasons previous,
Sometimes it's better to be the Big fish in the small pond but when roles are reversed you just have to roll your sleeves up and get stuck in and most importantly 'AS ONE'!

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First of all forget any notions of Coley having lost the dressing room and put to one side any idea of a crisis. Loads of us were expecting to be in this kind of situation after the first four league games.

We have just played 4 sides who will be there or there abouts come May. as yet we haven't played any one from our section of the division. In the next six or seven weeeks we play Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham and Macclesfield at home, and Bury, Dagenham and Barnet away. By that stage we'll have played 13 league games (just over a quarter of a season). I predict things will looka a lot rosier by then.

It is always darkest just before the day dawneth. (Thomas Fuller 1608-1661)

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We are only 1 point behind the 12th team in the league, having played four of the fancied clubs in the league, get behind the team and the management. It should be an interesting forum on Tuesday.

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He's starting to lose the fans so why not the dressing room?

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I have been following the discussions with interest and unfortunately, have not been able to see the team play so far this season - but whilst I can share some of the fans concerns about the poor start to the season (and the inevitable fear of being dragged into a season long struggle against relegation), I don't think too many panic buttons should be pressed just yet.

The 1-0 win against Wycombe was a very welcome start (and remember, we only drew there last season) and a home defeat to Darlington (as last season) and away at Lincoln (also as last season) should not have come as too much of a surprise to anyone. Darlington are riding high, and Lincoln have been in the play-offs for the last five seasons. Yesterday's defeat at home to Peterborough should also not have been too surprising given the nature of the budget which the opposition has (compared to Stanley's comparitively meagre resources) and Posh are still the bookies favourites to take the title, despite their none too impressive start to the season. I accept that we are bottom of the table with only one goal scored and have failed to score in our last four matches, so there are clearly problems, but as has been pointed out on another thread, one win or even a few points will see us climb steadily up the table.

For me, the time to worry is not after 4 league matches, though I accept totally the need to discuss the reasons why Stanley are in this situation, and I cannot pretend to be any type of grandstand manager, as I know little about football. What I do know is that positions at this stage of the season don't mean a great deal - remember Macclesfield last season, or the way Sunderland started in the Championship, which we all know they ended up winning ? I'm not suggesting for one moment that Stanley will take the title - I don't think for one moment we will - but I do believe, based on past experience, that Coley will get us out of this situation and to a position of safety,

However, what does concern me most is when we hand an advantage to our opponents through poor discipline on the field, with the inevitable sendings off and suspensions, causing problems with the team having to be reshuffled, and being unable to play a balanced side. Last season, I think we topped League Two in terms of red cards issued to us, and with 2 sent off on Saturday,it doesn't augur well for this season. In our Conference winning season, we had players sent off in 4 matches in a row, I seem to remember - when oh when is this going to change ? To me, it is a classic case of us shooting ourselves in the foot time after time, with our fingers firmly on the self-destruct button.:mad:

Personally, I think Coley did very well to keep us up last season, following the departure of Roberts and Craney, and then the incredible run with injuries, and I see no reason why that should not happen again this time around. Stanley do not have a bad side and were last season's joint second highest scorers in the division (albeit with the worst defence ! :eek: )
The failure to score has baffled me, and several friends from Walsall told me that they could not understand why Stanley were so far down the table last season, based on the matches they had seen them play.

Whilst there will always be pessimists within the ranks, I think we should get behind Coley and the team and give them our fullest support. I can't get to home matches (I live 250 miles away) but anytime Stanley are down south, I'll be there to roar them on (had to miss the Wycombe game because we were on holiday, but will be at Dagenham).

ON STANLEY ON !!!! :Banane07::Banane07::Banane07:

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Bloody Hell guys 4 games in and already gloom and doom, whats goin on..?? My 1st trip to FES this season from sunny Suffolk and have noticed some major transformations on and off the field, so let's put things into perspective.. 3 points from first 4 games. 3 points from Wycombe, a good result 'ey? Nowt against Darlo, Lincoln and the Posh who are 3 quality sides with superior budgets and facilities than Stanley.... who realistically thought we would get much change from these guys??. In my opinion the season starts here and picking up points from the likes of Grimsby, Bury, Mansfield, Dagenham which are coming up soon is a must and this will then provide a true guide to the strength of the squad and also whether relegation or finishing mid-table is going to be the case.

Ok yesterday's match..Man of the match Kenny Arthur no arguments, moan of the match McEvilly, what is the guy on?? As soon as he came on he was up for a scrap, if Coley told him to do this prior to coming on he wants stringing up by his nuts..If not Evil wants to get his head right there is a clear difference between being physical and assault, unprofessional and un-disciplined in my opinion which let his team mates and you guys down, fine him and drop him at least!!

For the Pen no complaints, and Branchy got a deserved yellow card and i'm suprised he lasted as long as he did (but the ref was not good all game and was looking to get his name in lights from the off) 1st goal A) What was Roberts doing giving away a cheap foul away when their midfielder was going nowhere, and the defending from the subsequent free kick was unbelievable!! B) Shaun Whalley had a shocker and couldn't trap a bag of soot all day. C)Proc worked hard in midfield and at times seemed to be the only one closing down.

Positives then for me: Kenny Arthur, a roof, good atmosphere, Ultras in fine voice, hard but good times ahead if everyone sticks together..

Thats me done see you at Dagenham if anyone going!!!

Tractorboy Red

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This is exactly what i was thinking, yes i know we`ve just played a few good teams on the bounce, but our defence just keeps on making school boy errors and our midfield dont seem to have any imagination, just hoof and hope seems to be the tactic, i would make them sit down tomorrow and make them watch saturdays game over and over again until they understand what they shouldn`t be doing as somewhere along the line this doesn`t seem to be getting through, i`m not of the doom and gloom brigade even having watched yesterdays game but i do feel that something in training needs to be sorted out.

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I was watching a DVD of last season's matches/goals today and after about 10 or so games I started to notice just how often Todd was in the area when we scored. Even when he didn't touch the ball himself, and he often did, he was still there in support.

We miss Todd more than I ever thought we would do. He was the extra player in the box everytime we went forward and chipped in with 10 goals too.

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Maybe it's something to do with the doom and gloom being projected by the Chairman of the club? All that talk has certainly got me on a downer.

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OK, I know you all genuinely care for the club (and the fact that we can attract supporters from Berkshire and Suffolk, not to mention Michigan and New Zealand shows how much of an appeal this famous name still holds). However, you are all neatly avoiding the crucial point - we cannot sustain league football on our present gates. Even the most optimistic of you is not predicting a promotion challenge, so the gates are not going to be anywhere near Eric's breakeven point of 2,500. Next season we have to build a 1,000-seater stand and a permanent police control room, so where are the cuts going to come? To quote Eric, they "could well come out of the players' budget." This is a huge problem the club is facing, but you all seem to be in denial of it.

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Spot on! I was about to type something similar, but you've put it so much better.

I kept asking, "Why are people obsessing about the on-field antics? It's the off-field that are more worrying."

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If we get it right on the field and start winning games we "have a chance" of bringing more people in, that will generate more income and will help with the building of the club etc, if we don't do well on the field (like we are at the min, that was utter rubbish on Saturday) we will never get new faces in the crowd, income will go down if anything, that's when I'll start to worry the off field antics .

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i dont think we can judge any progression from last season - until we have played Grimsby on saturday.

Grimsby will be a far clearer measuring stick.

I do think tyhe chairman should talk up the club - or put it for sale.
Negative comments from the person running the club ALWAYS have a knock on effect.

If Eric starts preaching Success, promotion and ambition - we will start believing as will the players.

Coleman should use the tight budget controls and poor crowds as a motivation - eg a challenge. To prove how good he is with next to nothing.
The players should also use it as a springboard to bigger things.

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The club should've been sold when we won the league.
It was the prime time to sell & we missed it.
Now I fear we're up the creek without a paddle.

The only hope we do have, in my opinion, lies with Coleman & Bell. If they can get the tactics right, we have the ability in our squad to play some very good football and attract the fans that came out to see us last term and didn't come back because of the lack of a roof or whatever.
The commercial side of the club have to get their act in gear aswell. Instead of just appealing to the 'suits' - APPEAL TO JOE PUBLIC. Too many golden opportunities with the media have been squandered. As Tin Monkey and others have said for ages - the website is wasted!

Please, someone get some nouse before we lose our club again.

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Not necessarily. Eric should put the club up for sale and see what turns up.

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As Jeff and few others have said before Eric said if we ever get into the Football League he would sell up because he hadn't got enough cash to keep us there, why didn't he keep his word because there was a least one person who wanted the club, I also feel the boat has been missed because IMHO he wanted a season as the big man as a football league chairman, this broken promise could prove to be the thing that takes us back to non league obscurity.

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Maybe, but if this person wanted the club then, they still do now??

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Wynonie has hit the nail squarely on the head. ASFC is not set up for league football, by that I mean that without substantial outside investment the club cannot sustain playing league football.

John Coleman has done a tremendous job for the club but I agree he has probably take things as far as he can. That is no slight on him though, nobody could do anything better under these circumstances.

The team is sadly lacking in so many areas, every department is a hotch potch of has-beens and never will be's IMO. What is he to do though when he doesnt have the finance to attract better players to the club?

If it weren't for John Coleman and the players that he brought to the club then League Football wouldn't even be a consideration.

I wouldn't blame the guy for walking away to be honest. If people are going to be so ridiculous as to question the man after the miracles he has worked then he really is fighting a losing battle.

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Are you saying we should go to the fans forum on Wednesday and not ask any questions but just congratulate him for doing a good job?
I'm sorry but IMHO there are a few things which are not right on the pitch which if he can answer good on him.:)

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It's funny, but somebody else said that to me yesterday.

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TheLedge are you anyone we know in disguise???

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I'm not saying he is beyond questioning but you have to be realistic. Look at what he has done for the club, the players he brought to Accrington that were sold for a small fortune that have allowed the club to not only progress but continue to operate without too much worry.

Getting the club out of the conference was a major achievement in itself, keeping them in the League last year minus the two best players of the previous season was nothing short of miraculous.

I think what I am trying to say is it's a trust thing. The guy should have done enough to more than earn every Stanley fans trust and I think people shouldn't forget that. Trust him and trust that he is doing the very best he can under the circumstances.

It is plain for everyone to see what the team is lacking but I have no doubt whatsoever that John Coleman realises that too. What can he do though if the club don't have the funds to attract the type of players that are needed?

The worst thing supporters can do at times of adversity is to break ranks and turn on their own.

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100% agreed

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i think john has took us the promised land but should admit he needs a little help from an experienced coach maybe somebody from the outside should come and have look.sometimes its better somebody from the outside to see whats going wrong.it dont mean your a bad manager if you ask for a little help it just means your diverse and honest;)

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I'm not saying Coley should go far from it but he has left himself open for critisism with his gamble on McEvilly, This gamble has not worked so before morale goes any lower and the on field arguements turn into more get rid of him now, McEvilly is not good for Stanley so dump him Mr Coleman before he dumps you.

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I doubt if anyone can really tell if Coleman has reached his managerial limit or not. You can't expect any manager to the job without some funds available to him.

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Yep, Coley has shot himself in the foot somewhat over the McEvilly scenario. However, overall, he has been nothing short of a miracle worker for Stanley. The worrying thing is, that without a major investment in the club, he will have an even smaller budget to work with next season, as the money will be swallowed up by the large-scale ground improvements required by the football league plus the shortfall on operating costs caused by inadequate gates. And I doubt that even he can continue to pull rabbits out of hats in those circumstances.

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true but i think we should get a top coach to come in and guide john where hes going wrong ......:(

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A top coach, eh?...And who's going to pay for that?

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i was just wondering about the large-scale improvements because there was an mp {cant remember his name** who was going to raise a bill to have safe terracing in league football and the league were going to change the rules dont know if any truth in the rumour dont know the timescale;)

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fraser eagle:D:D:D

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Fraser Eagle? :)

I'll get me coat.

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nice one buddy, I'd give you karma for that but I've gotta spread it around apparently

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The improvements I'm on about are the 1,000-seater stand to meet FL requirements by the end of the 2007/08 season. Also, we will have to replace the present portakabin with a permanent structure as the council, somewhat reluctantly, granted planning permission for the present structure for one more season.

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I've given him some. I would've given Bananaman some too, but I can't because, believe it or not, I gave him some too recently.

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how many seats have we got already if the worse comes to worse we can always continue the seats round to the away end and biuld a tunnel for the players to come out;)

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That would solve the seating problem and getting a coach in one go. Park a double decker where the players come out, get the players to use the lower deck of the bus as the tunnel and use the seats upstairs as a stand :)

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nice one:D:Dwe could always use alex miller as he is liverpool assistant manager and an ex rangers player:D

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Oh dear cmonstanley 1 lancsdave 0

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Interesting comments, here,s my twopenorth. The boss, Coleman, is responsible for the players, he,s responsible for signings, tactics, formation, moral, discipline and example. If the players are behind him they will run their socks off, if they respect him they will give their all, if they are proud to play for Stanley they will never quit, if they love their job, and why wouldn,t they, they will hate to fail. As an old player I know they can do it if they make up their minds. I think that over the next month we are going to see a much improved squad, if not, I,m afraid all of your fears may come true. I watched Aston Villa play Chelsea today {on T.V.** a perfect example of a team who wouldn,t quit. With that attitude Stanley can be the team we all want them to be so lets keep behind them. I,m traveling 8000 miles to watch next four game so lets hope they give it their best shot.

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Are you really sure you want that much punishment Bryan if I where you I'd go somewhere else, New Zealand perhaps.:)

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I shall be appealing to the FA about that one :D

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Leave your coat, hold the ****** still and I'll get my gun. :D

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Being from Burnley, I sure the FA will be more than happy to up hold your appeal Dave, they have an history of taking sides that goes way back. :rolleyes: :o

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We have had four matches against top teams, before the season started I said that I would be very happy with four points from the first four games but I was worried that we would get none. We have three points, OK we are bottom of the league but we are only one point behind twelfth place and only six points from the top of the league. We have a goalkeeper who has been in the Scotland squad, we have just signed a centre half who is in the current Northern Ireland squad and we have a Benin International in our team.
Our next twelve games are Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Macclesfield, Notts County, and Rotherham at home and Shrewsbury, Bury, Bradford City, Dagenham, Barnet, and Morecambe away. If we are still in the relegation positions after this then I will be worried, but I am confident that after these twelve games we will be comfortably in the top half of the league.

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Hallelujah... Someone with a positive outlook and looks beond these 1st 4 games well done Jeff...

Tractorboy Red

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I think you and others who have posted up beat, positive statements are right in what you are doing, but I think some of us are a little worried that a squad that offered so much potential over the previous season is struggling, worst still is the fear that we might just struggle on against what we might consider lesser teams. We have what it takes to compete against any team in the league and should be doing just that even from the outset.

Unfortunately, there appears to be something nasty in the coal hole and I don’t just mean Mr Evil de’Stamper. I hope it is nothing more than a few wayward grumbles and that the management and lads get themselves sorted.

What I don’t like is the fact that we seem to want to be the “bad boys” of the League, Master Whalley having a paddy in front of the supporters, notwithstanding his frustration and disappointment at being subbed; he should have saved it for the Dressing Room, Branch is an experienced play and should have known better and Evil playing on reputation not skill and to top it off we have the dug out playing like babes in a tarts nursery.

Let’s get back to playing passionate professional football and show the league and our doubters what we can achieve against the odds

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So to sum up some of the comments, Eric should sell up, Coleman and Bell should be sacked, along with Evil and half the team.........this running a football team lark is so easy......NOT!
Get real folks, We have not done too badly so far with Eric Whalley as Chairman, and considering the lack of spending money, Coleman has got together a pretty good squad. We need to create the same sort of spirit in the side that got us into the Football League. We being the supporters. Get behind the team, even when they are having a bad day. Get behind the club, buy a raffle ticket, bring a friend, turn up to the games yourself!! And for goodness sake stop all this moaning and groaning. As bad as it gets we all turn up to watch football and particularly Stanley, you bought your season ticket (well 115 have) so enjoy the experience. (A note to Lee Mcevilly....you have the talent to do good things at Stanley, get yourself to match fitness and use that talent!!!)
Rant over, I feel better for that and I'll see the true supporters on Saturday.

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The fact is Fettler, most of the fans are getting real. EW should have sold up when he promised to do so. JC/JB well the jury is out there. Evil DeStamper should be sacked here and now. From what I have seen of him over the last few weeks, he's lucky not to have been sent off before now.
And when you finish your speech and say you will see all the true supporters on Saturday, well I could not believe that. ALL THE TRUE SUPPORTERS WILL BE AT THE F.E.S. TOMORROW NIGHT FOR THE MATCH AGAINST OLDHAM. Why wait till Saturday?

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No, YOU get real, Fettler, Eric has already spelt it out in the starkest possible terms - we cannot carry on in the football league on the present gates, without a large-scale investment. Eric has done a great job over the last few years, but he has taken the club as far as he can and now is the time to see if someone else with greater resources and a new perspective on marketing the club to the public is out there.

As for your comment about "true supporters", are you saying that those of us who seek change or dare to offer criticisms are somehow not true supporters? We criticise because we care!

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There you go Fettler you treacle miner it used to be if you called Eric you got a load of abuse now it's the other way round, the times they are a changing.

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the truth of the matter is that we have come a long way in a short time. This does not leave enough time to maximise cash potential at any of the steps. In the Unibond we had decent crowds for the level, in the Conference we had mediocre, slightly below average crowds for the level.

Most clubs tend to stick around their level for a while, develop the ground and the team in similar sorts of time spans and then when they go up they are already operating at the required level. We bucked the trend and somehow (contrary to Confguide belief) managed to get up through the leagues without being bankrolled. Now and last year we find ourselves trying to play catch up on ground development, playing staff, off the field development, Community work, crowds etc etc. There is no quick fix for it, we have got to the League before we had done the work rather than after it. We need to be proud of that achievment rather than despondent, yes we will knock the club here and there if we don't think anything is being done - but again it possibly is being done they just choose not to tell us.

When a date had been set for the roof in the summer they could have informed us, but they decided to just surprise us. They could have informed us that a Community Officer had been appointed but they chose not to. Decisions like these cost the club because we speculate, and speculation leads to negativety and criticism - which spreads.

Step 1. Speak to the fans more often, the results will be surprising.
step 2. We'll cross that bridge when the basics are being done.

If we can survive this season we may find that things are picking up a little, but we'll still have to survive the following. and the following, and the following.

By being in this league we are learning quicker than we have ever had to before, SHOULD we ever go down to the Conference again I would like to think that we would have become a big fish in that league rather than a small one that somehow escaped. We'll have our time again but for now we may just have to batten down the hatches and make the most of winning the odd battle rather than the war.

When the fruits of todays labour start to show in a few years time, when the Commercial Operation is running at full pelt, and the Community Operation is cutting a swarthe through the local youth, we'll hopefully have a much rosier looking future with crowds a thousand or two higher than they are now. We'll be making money more efficiently than we are now, we'll be coining it in through the beer vans behind the Clayton End, we'll be taking an extra thousand pound or two off away fans via their beer van.


The only drawback I can really see is that we still talk (the Chairman and the manager do) about League 1. It's all well and good being ambitious but if we are short of money to compete at this level we'll struggle like bloody hell at that level!!!! Peterborough are the big shots in this league because they can afford to spend £200k each on a few players, but they spend £500k in that league, we'd be mashed potato every week with the kind of budget signings we have to make. Like it or not this is our level for the immediate future and we need to start treading water PDQ.

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I agree with all that in fact I was only thinking in terms of the first two paragraphs today.

To make much impression on the local youth we need to stay in League Two. At the same time the small crowds leave little room for manoevre - if we can only hope to stay in League 2 at the expense of jeopardising the club's finances we must cut our cloth for a spell back in the Blue Square Premier. That's of course preferable to no Accrington Stanley or an Accrington Stanley restarting in the next tier down like Boston because it pursued a dream or worse still lower like Scarborough.

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This 1,000 seater stand that is causing so much worry.....will it not be partially funded by grants? What will the shortfall be? Find out! Then try to help out with fundraising efforts. If you have a target to achieve, you might get there. Sponsored events, bucketshaking even, raffles etc.

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Would you be good enough to provide us with the definition of a "true" supporter? I have seen this phrase used a number of times over the years so I am beginning to suspect there is some secret hierarchy of supporters that I am as of yet unaware. I would assume that I am less of a supporter than say, Jimbo T Hornblower, because he used to stand on the terraces and still does when he returns to the Accrington area whereas I have never even been to Accrington. Of course, it would follow that the two of us are even lower down the ranks than someone with a season ticket and that much further from a person who attends the odd away match as well as the home games. Does watching the two Cup ties broadcast on TV over here help my status at all? Do I get bonus points for signing up with the OSC or taking a share in sponsoring a player with the World Wide Reds or making purchases from the club shop? I want to join you in the ranks of the True Supporters -- I just need to know how to get there.

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has he eck`as like we`re only 4 games into the season its all down to a lack of confidence from the players and new players fitting in
What about the end off last season when we were looking at relegation and Jon turned things around then and he will do it again just wait till xmas well be safe by then

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As bad as things might seem now its only early days yet, you just have to look at how sunderland started last season and where they finished, if we are still struggling at christmas then yeah i'll say we have problems but i'm not to worried at the moment, yeah the gates do need to increase and hopefully when we start to pick a few points up they will go up, but we can't judge yet, as far this my football club thing takeover i don't kno what to think, keep believing it will come good again

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Maybe if JC would stop berating his defence and officials time after time and just got on with being the manager that we all know he is capable of being then things would turn round for you guys.

I'm a firm believer in keeping such things within the confines of the dressing room. Not airing ones dirty linen in public.

It can't be pure coincidence that referees are ALWAYS wrong in his eyes. Sometimes we have to take a look at the cause of a problem to get to the real truth.

Stick together. This time last year you were getting all the plaudits.

You maybe the 'enemy' (;)) but there is genuine concern up here for our closest rival.

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Do you think Fraser Eagle could find us a bargain priced defensive coach?

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But Sunderland changed their manager 4/5 into the season, are you saying that's what it might take to help us?:)

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He became chairman didn't he ? :):rolleyes:

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I didn't want to say it but that is an interesting thought.:rolleyes:

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4-1...Enough said...Come on guys, let's be positive from now on..!!

Tractorboy Red...:D

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He will be joint first in the running for September manager of the month at the moment. :D

A week is a long time in football

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More of this and he should be a strong contender for that title.

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Let's not get carried away eh?

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One Swallow does not make a summer, however we did play extremely well today, so well done the lads.........lets keep it up please!

I would just remind you guys that in my original post I didnt say JC HAD lost the dressing room, I mearly posed the question and opened the debate, and quite a debate it has been.............I have certainly found 99% of the posts to be very interesting reading (with the exception of Poppy............nothing new there then! ).

But getting back to todays result, once again I would like to say well done the reds...................More please;)

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Hear hear Cowboy (and well known Accrington stud:D) this has been (I think) the best thread on here for a while..

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