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I know you cant smoke in the ground but i thought that provisions were being made for a smoking area, so where is it ?, when we played the Burnley friendly it was ok to smoke on the concourse next to the fence, so yesterday i went and had a smoke where i was told to for that game and was told i could no longer smoke there, so i asked where i could smoke, i was told the best place to go for a smoke was in the toilets, so its ok to smoke in a confined area where children and non smokers go but not ok to smoke outside away from other people, i decided not to smoke in the toilets as it didn`t seem right, i asked if i could be let out for a smoke and was told that there wern`t allowed to let me out ?, i`m not sure if they were told not to let people out incase they didn`t come back in again :).

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As a reformed smoker of 30 odd years and a wholehearted supporter of the ban, I nevertheless can't for the life in me see why you can't smoke under cover behind the new stand, next to the portaloo. Non smokers can always hold their breath as they walk past. Are we trying to drive away the last dregs of our diminishing support?

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I am a smoker and I can tell you there were a couple of times I felt the need to light up... in fact I'm sure there were a couple of non smokers who were so desperate yesterday they could have lit up too ;)

The smoking ban is for the whole ground covered or not and is not a stanley decision...however, other clubs have put proviso's in to leave the ground at half time so why can't we??

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With how things are at the moment maybe they're afraid some might not come back in:rolleyes:

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The Ban Comes from the council and the club met with them to say other clubs have pass outs but they said no chance, as far as ther concernd if you leave the ground you dont come back in unless you repay. The club has its hands tied if the council says no

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What the hell has that got to do with the council?

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I believe the ground is built on council land thus making them the owners much to the disgust of Eric.

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Are you telling us Hyndburn Council have imposed a smoking ban on all football grounds in England ? The ban was put in place by the football league.

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I know they own the land, but if it is OK to smoke outside the turnstiles, surely they can't legally prevent the club from allowing a pass-out system should they wish to do so. I just don't get it. Or does the club not wish to do so?

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I'm a bit lost on that one myself but if as macca suggested in another thread that alcohol would be available behind the Clayton End from next week they are going to have to provide a system for smoking to get fans in the ground to buy the beer rather than stopping in the pub until the last minute.

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Good smoking area how about as far away as possible because not only do the fumes get up eveyones nose people who smoke have really bad dog breath!!!!!!!!

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so we will be banning anyone who had garlic in the last 24 hours and beer amongst other things based on that premise then will we?

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how about anybody who went on the beer last night and keeps on guffing? there's a few of them behind the Clayton End.

or how about if I don't don't like your eau d'toilet then?

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or how about if I don't don't like your eau d'toilet then?[/quote]


Is twoiltte breath?:rolleyes: Few up there guilty bud!;)

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i take it theres not going to be a smoking area outside the ground or passes or anything:(:(

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you'll not be able to smoke at the ground ;)


or drink ;);)

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The bar has now arrived at the clayton end according to a text from mick shultz

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Does it have a beer garden for the smokers ? :)

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It's not another gazebo with trestle tables is it? :)

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I can't understand why people can't do without a fag for 2 hours. I think medical help should be sought by these individuals who are so afflicted.

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The same could be said for those who can't go to a football match without having a pint.

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With regard to those needing help for wanting a ciggie and a pint at a football match its more habit. If you have been attending football matches practically all your life then suddenly your part of the occasion (for some) are taken away its a bit of a culture shock when you cant carry on these things after x amount of years.

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Get outside and weed up ya smelly ******:D

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For those of you who have never smoked, tobacco creates both a chemical and neurological addiction. For anyone to say that smokers should be able to go through 2 hours without a ciggy, is just plain wrong.

As an ex-smoker, I know just how difficult it is to not smoke at a time when you have always smoked in the past.

I feel that this problem should be quickly sorted, so that smokers can have a cigarette in a designated, open-air area.

Smoking has been banned in all indoor public places - except the House of Commons!! A case of double standards if you ask me.

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Unnoficially there will be one.
Just don`t talk about it.
It`s not allowed.

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You`ve obviously never smoked or you wouldn`t have come out with that
comment.

I like probably the vast majority of smokers can go a long time without a cigarette, but that wasn`t my reason for starting the thread, my points were.
1. We were told that arrangments would be made for smokers, but they havn`t.
2.How come it was ok to smoke in an area for one game but now its not ?

I can only see that by not providing smokers with the oppertunity to have a cigarette is yet another negative move by the club and will not do them any favours in trying to attract more people to the FES

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It's a strange one this smoking ban, my understanding is that the ban applies in any enclosed areas, now, you can't say a football pitch is an enclosed area.... so it may be possible for smokers to have a fag at half-time if they congregate around the center circle..(just an idea) ;)

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That's where they have you, you're not allowed on the pitch!!!

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It's a fair point, smoking is banned on aeroplanes but nobody gives up there holiday abroad because of this. My mate's a heavy smoker (i don't mean he's fat and smokes) and he can manage well enough.

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it doesn't matter whether you can or can't do without a cigarette - th epoint is that it takes away your freedom of choice if you can't. When there is an apparently easy solution to the problem it then becomes that Stanley don't want to solve the problem.

As everybody has said, we are short on fans and can't afford to lose many more, every smoker that doesn't come back is lost revenue.

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Half time was a joy, you could enjoy a beer and a chat without Ricky in your ears, the stewards where not in your face and it was possible if anyone wanted to break the law to sneek a ciggie but of course nobody did.

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It is not Hyndburn council who imposed the ban, rather Lancashire CC who approve the licence for the ground. The club has requested possibility of pass outs or a designated area but they have clearly stated no way. The ground reulations by the turnstiles section 12 is the legalese for the no smoking inside the perimeter of the ground, just as no smoking in a shopping centre even though an open area. Sorry smokers but the law instituted on July 1st is the prime reason for your lack of ability to fill your lungs with the nicotene & 56 other chemical substances that make up your habit, the club is not to blame but all avenues suggested have been stonewalled by the regulating authorities, if it is not imposed the club can be fined £2000 for each breach. I for one would prefer that money goes to ground improvements & new players than goverment funds! Plus that little bit of lung clearance should help your ability to shout louder for the lads on the pitch.

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Well perhaps somebody could explain why there are designated smoking areas at Old Trafford ( Cricket Ground,not the theatre of the prawn sandwich brigade!!):confused:

I know of several members of L.C.C.C. who tell me there are various places on the ground where smoking is permitted.And these areas are WITHIN the confinines of the ground....NO PASS OUT REQUIRED:confused:

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could somebody please tell us the correct department at LCC to whom we may direct our vented spleens (and lungs)

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As far as I know it is a Football League regulation that all grounds be designated smoke free.

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As I said in my post above & also refered to by Jeff, Football Ground regs posted on every turnstile & around the ground are the stated requirement of the Football League-section 12, but are as a result of the July 1st No Smoking Act. As for Lancs CC Macca suggest you direct your comments to Football Ground Licencing Dept at County Hall, Preston, though I expect the response is likely to be related to the Act of Parliment instituted on 1st July 2007. As the club could be fined up to £2000 for any breach plus the "offender" open to a seperate fine, the club & stewards are not being obstructive, our hands are tied with this legislation as much as you smokers-bear in mind some of the stewards are smokers too & have to abide with this as much as everyone else. As for OT cricket ground, it is not regulated by the FA but bet it will be revised in not too distant future to comply with all sporting venues.

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Then if thats the case big al, why have some other clubs got round this designated either a smoking space off the ground or allow a stamper/raffle ticket re-entry for smoking purpose at half time therefore to abide by the regulations but also not discriminating smokers at the same time:confused:

Surely at best interests of the club to consider as well as not breeching the law, as talking with some other fans off here after previous home matches can see either people rebelling ie taking the risk or that the crowd become a bit more unstable than normal - certainly heated emotions at tense times during matches at the other extreme. Surely this has put extra pressure & aggro for stewarding staff having this extra law to deal with on top.

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HANG ON A MINUTE i'LL BE BACK WITH SOME QUOTES FROM THE fa!

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this is taken from the following website and can be read in full at http://www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/22...CIRCULATED.pdf

What premises must be smoke-free?
Premises are covered by the legislation if they are:
(a) used as a place of work, or
(b) open to the public or any section of the public, whether or not by invitation or on payment. The ban applies
to enclosed or substantially enclosed premises.

see later on for definition of whether we are enclosed or substantially enclosed

Premises are substantially enclosed if they have a ceiling or roof and less than half of their perimeter consists of
openings in the walls (other than windows, doors or openings which can be shut). More details about the “50%
rule” are set out below at Section 4.

The Clayton End isn't, the open concourses aren't, the away terrace isn't

Smoking outside
The law does not prevent people from smoking in the open air; it will be a matter for management if a venue
wishes to declare its entire grounds smoke free

so have the management decreed it? has the Football League pressured all its members to accept the ban?

Is it lawful for coach drivers to smoke in our car park?
Yes. The law does not prevent smoking in the open air outside an enclosed venue. Whether individuals are
allowed to smoke on duty or take smoking breaks are matters of employment law rather than the new smoke
free legislation.

I put this on because on the Morecambe site they have been told that you can't smoke on the car parks

If a venue has a back wall
and side walls of 5m and the roof extends 10m then the premises are not substantially enclosed and the ban will
not apply.

further explanation of why the Clayton End isn't covered

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So we're being told porky's again

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Nice one Macca so a little place near the loo's is fine then :D

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I think the problem is that while the venue itself may be allowed to use discretion, LCC still have overall jurisdiction of ground licencing. The problem there is that the bureaucrats at LCC and public opinion will always be the opposite :mad:

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As the Act of Parliament only applies to " enclosed or substantially enclosed" areas and defines such areas, I fail to see how on earth the open concourse behind the Clayton end, for example, cannot be exempted as are areas behind pubs. The failure to have a pass-out system beyond the turnstiles is even more baffling and surely could be adjudged within the law if there was a will to make it happen. Speaking as a confirmed non-smoker of many years I can't understand this persecution of a significant minority who we can't afford to alienate. I just don't think the jobsworths should be allowed to get away with this, or am I missing something?
Very puzzling.

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that is all on the Football Association site (who govern the game in this country)

The Football League apparently have set the ban for all its members which is why the Conference and the Premier League for example have different rules

It states that any club who is unsure of whether they are liable or not should contact the local authority - nowhere doe sit say that the authority have the right to enforce any kind of restriciton of movement.

I can only conclude from this that the ban enforced by the FL on its members is unlawful and could be challenged by the relevant people.

If LCC do have the power to restrict movement of people to areas where they legally legally legally smoke then we would need to devise a way or rule whereby people have left the premises but haven't left the 'ground' if that makes sense (how about a hot air balloon still tethered to the concourse but not actually on the premises :Banane15:?)

Fans of many clubs are starting to get really fed up of this now and I think that sooner or later there will be a campaign of some sorts that forces the League's hand. We need to know what the ruling is from the Football League and how they have quantified it legally. What right do they have to tell me what I can and can't do? what right do they have to enforce a rule that has no substance in law but may affect the financial welfare of a club?

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sorry, its been covered for a few weeks now :D:D

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well Burnley must fall under the same rule via the Football League and LCC, but what about Rovers? whats the situation down there? do they have designated areas?

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Definately no pass outs at the Turf, we have to suffer for the full 90 minutes weed free :D

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By the way if you ever get drawn away to Derby in the cup, don't wear your colours and sit in the home end. You get a pass out at half time. Away fans don't :)

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You said it , pal. :)

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Sorry, that was pretty lame.:o

Find this a very strange thread, don't like to think of any Stanley fans killing themselves through smoking, and I'm sure Eric agrees. :)

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I can do banter with the best of them Oggy :D And definately suffered some crap down there over the years so there was some truth in it lol

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A days cricket lasts a lot longer than 90 mins and they are suffering more than Stanley with getting people in. That is why they are trying their best to keep the people who watch the game happy, Stanley just seem to be alienating people by not trying to find a way round this as other clubs have done, Eric must have put Russell (Arsehole) Whalley in charge of this problem.;)

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What about SNUFF ?

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Stuff your Snuff:)

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snuff off!

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That's a snuff, all this name calling is making me tired, I'm going gnome.

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Macca, although a steward, you know I have followed Stanley through thick & thin for many years now. I am aware of the problems you smokers are enduring due to the new July 1st Act as equally is the club. I know Mick has put your case to all authorities & sought alternative options to provide a bit of relief for your "stress relief sessions". This has added another demand on stewards at all grounds, I was at Rochdale last Sunday & they have the same ruling, when we have enough on our plates ensuring you guys go home in the same shape as you came into the ground-sorry can't speak for the teams performance or lack of it on the pitch in contribution to this- along with demarkation lines for alcohol as well now. If you feel you can open doors wth the information you have posted put it to the Lancs licencing office who have put the barriers up, maybe public pressure may open up an avenue for you in which the club, on obtaining the relevent permission, may well accomodate your habit. Unfortunately I suspect you will hit the same stone wall the club have, but as they say if you don't ask .........

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no smoking down ewood macca,one of the reasons i dont go much now,having to sit down is another.:(

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time you came back to stanley and stood with me then cashy :D

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So if i could somehow manage to stick my head through the railings and light my fag so its outside the gound and stays outside the ground that would be ok :D

Its a farce thats going to far, not just the smoking, the world as we know it with all the do-gooders and politically correct and the Health and Safety it will filter down to affect everyone until one day we`ll all be wrapped in cotton wool. :)

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Hang on, I'm allergic to cotton wool. ;)

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Bubble wrap then;):D