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After yesterday's abysmal performance against Notts County and the sometimes bewildering substitution policy of the (so called) Football Genius, is it time that the club found a new manager ? I ,for one, agree with the above comments, but what about everyone else?

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Can any idiot start a poll?

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Of course they can. I did.:D

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No.

Over all no one could do a better job at our level and with our resources.

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only if it was as easy as that the only way i would say yes if the new manager was going to bring a couple of million quid build a building to house the asfc exhibition reduce prices to 7 squid free drinks at bar etc

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It looks that way. :rolleyes:

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This is exactly the point. Do Coley and Bell make the best use of our resources? Just three examples for starters. It seems odd that (a) Sean Webb is left on the bench; (b) Leighton McGivern is not used more often; (c) Mauro Almeida was neglected during his time with us.

We cannot say for certain that "no-one could do a better job". Did anyone read the survey in The Times last week that proved beyond doubt that there is an improvement when clubs change manager? The objective and statistical analysis made interesting reading.

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no they should definately stay.

no resources to work with and we are still comfortable in the league.

however i would like to see more subs used when its obvious it is not working.

and mcgivern given a chance

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Like things improved for Accy [not] after Walter Galbraith left in the fifties?

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How long ago was it since Man Utd fans wanted Fergie out?

Whos gonna replace em?

I just cant belive some people on here ... how long was it we all talkin about Bradford etc

I have been supporting Stanley just under 10 years and i believe this is the best squad that we have had :D

Whos gonna replace em?

I think because we have done so well people expect it to carry on but we havnt got as much cash as some teams to spend 500k (or whatever price) on a player ... and we really do need to push for more people to come or even just to buy a stanley shirt or even a car freshener it all adds up ... so if your stuck for christmas presents look up the Stanley Store

Keep The Faith :D

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Tend not to read Murdoch publications, and have failed to find this survey on Timesonline. Is there a link available?

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Please read the postings in the thread. Most of us agree it is the best squad. We are discussing how this squad is used. We are not talking about spending more money on players.

And yes, we need to push for more people to come to matches. But let's not forget some recent performances at the FES. Would they inspire people to return? Why were so many leaving early yesterday, according to reports? My guess is that spectators would have been mystified yesterday by (a) the team selection and (b) the use, or rather belated and/or non-use, of substitutes.

And, again, yes - we need more people to use the Stanley Store. Hope you bought at least one 2007 calendar!!!

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how long have some of you people been supporting Accrington Stanley ?

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Here it is, Oggy.

Trigger-happy chairmen do get results, so managers must do better | Football - Times Online

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Right, thanks for that, my first thought is that the performance of the new managers is about the same as Coley's is now, (pts/game), so the room for improvement isn't there. It does depend on your base line.

The timing does seem to matter, let's just look at Lincoln and Wrexham (?) for how it works. ;)

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I dont think they should go but sometimes the substitutions and tactics are bizarre, but I am not with them in training all week. I think thats a key factor. We dont deal with the players day in, day out, so we dont know what their committment is like, whether they have struggled in training or have been ill or have personal problems.

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Coleman was in a hard place yesterday. As the second half wore on we came more into the game. We actually created 2 very good chances in the last 15 minutes and really should have taken at least one of them. When the team is pressing and looking likely to score, maybe that isn't the best time to make changes.

I'm no Coleman fanboy, but I really don't know who we'd get to replace him. We aren't in a position to employ a big name manager, and how many of them would want to work with the minimal budget we have?
If Coleman was to leave, I think we'd end up with another non-league manager. Is that a step forward?

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I don't think we have any specific problems that need wholesale changes and new faces bringing in.

We can do better with what we have and that is what is hard to take. As a club with the smallest budget in the entire Football League, the smallest ground, the smallest crowds etc we are expected to struggle and anything beyond that is a bonus and shows what a good manager Coley actually is.

But you can't help feeling that we could improve things. Substitutions were needed yesterday, 1-0 down at home, struggling to get behind their defence and we had McEvilly, Miles and Brown on the bench. Whether you rate none, one or all three of these players they are players who want to get on the pitch and try to win back their places, THEY SHOULD HAVE COME IN.

More people than not have barracked Williams this season, I like the guy and what he has acheived in his career with us is remarkable (though not unique - Proctor and Mullin) but this season he has not been as good as he could be and we have an International defender sat on the bench. Branch has not been as good as his pedigree says he could be. I don't care whether he is on big wages and must justify them, he hasn't warranted his selection. Leam is at the very least a 100% player and should be in there.

Roberts hasn't been the Rock that many seem to think he has been but he has been better than the rest. Maybe he is made to look bad sometimes when others around him let him down (like the first goal yesterday)

Cav has been brilliant going forward at times but his defending (and that is what he is paid to do) has been dodgy since we got promoted. If and when Edwards is fit again he has to come in. Maybe Cav should be employed in front of Edwards?

The defence is undoubtedly what lets us down practically every week, I think that we should revert to 4-4-2 and play as many of them as possible (Cav and Richardson on the wings) unti lsuch time as we find better players to put in those positions. Maybe with six defenders on the pitch we may find a little more consistency

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Funny how fickle footy fans are. Like Baldy said... anyone remember Bradford?
Wasn't that long ago!!

Tactics & subs policy has to be sorted, we are all agreed on that.
Letting go of Coleman & Bell however would be stupid, and suicidal.

Room for improvement is healthy.

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I personally could not see why Leighton McGivern and Phill Edwards were not at least on the bench yesterday. After all, was it not our maestro who said they were both pushing for squad places after the midweek reserve game. I thought Ian Craney had a bit of an off game this week, which could be understandable due to all the unsettling things that have occurred this week. As others have said though, perhaps it was the new manager thing with Notts County yesterday, was it not Ian McParlands first game in charge? I don't know which way to vote, I will fence sit for now. But, after seeing the performance of some of the last home games, I do wonder why we are stronger away from home than at home. Maybe we will see the other Stanley at Morecambe on Tuesday night, but I am worried about Saturday against Huddersfield.

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Our improved form in the last 15 minutes didn't seem to stop many fans leaving.

As for any possible replacement, I agree that we are not in a position to employ a big name manager and I'm not even sure that it would be a good idea. But someone could regard the club as a useful managerial job despite minimal budget. We have a lot of other things going for us. The thoughts that crossed my mind included a player at or near the end of their playing career and perhaps looking to enter management - Alan Stubbs and Stephane Henchoz come to mind. Both defenders! Maybe Andy Dibble, too. I have no idea if any of these would wish to enter management - it's just my thoughts.

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sacking coleman would be footballing suicide.
His network of scouts, knowledge of the non league and contacts have been essential in picking up players.

John Coleman is learning, the fact he has now changed his tactics away from home to a 3-5-2 formation shows he has developed his understanding of this division.

He knows we have a problem at left back, and tried signing one.

My only criticism of coleman is his tactics and team selection.
Vs. Wrexham, the problem was as much abbout choosing tired players as poor tactics.
He needs to utilise his squad, rather than having players simply to fill in when his favourites get injured or banned.

I think he has more to learn and will learn, and Stanley will be all the better for it.

I think Eric will tell him in no uncertain terms if his tactics and team selection where wrong.

We are going the right way, and we still have a real chance of making the play offs if we cut out the silly mistakes, rotate the players more, and adapt our game for the opponents.

Does McGivern,s contract run out in Jan?

btw, Vs Morecambe I would give them a fresh challenge and play McEvilly and Mc Givern. The bonus of Mullin and Dsane to come on to play against tired legs would cause Morecambe a real problem.

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Wrong - it was the 87th minute goal which caused the mass exodus.
How anyone can seriously advocate changing the managerial team with us in 11th place (OK, 12th after today's game) is beyond me. Just get behind the team instead of sniping. It was the ratched up noise level from the Ultras in the second half which got the team going yesterday. Pity the rest of the support don't follow suit to give us the 12th man to make up for you know who yesterday. At least the County goalie showed his appreciation of the middle Clayton end supporters at the finishing whistle. His lot were noticeable only by their silence until they scored.

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Even my son who's 6 recognised this months player Andy Todd, how much do we miss him?

Back to the question I think we should keep the faith with Coley but I just wish he would change things when its obvious something needs to be done. Despite my dislike for McEvilly even I thought that he should have made an appearence yesterday.

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ahhh but after seeing his woeful display on weds in the reserves it was no wonder mcevilly didn't get a look in yesterday!!!

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Thats one thing i really dont get at all maybe a poll should be done

Do u like McEvilly or not??

because seems to me that most of you dislike the guy & his play, slag him off mostly - then when mood suits u want him on the field & he's Mr Wonderful :confused:

I really dont get that at all?? Me well my opinion has always remained the same - keep him off :rolleyes::D

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Nobody has said anything about him being Mr Wonderful, he's a donkey and always will be but it just shows how desperate we where for Coley to make a change.

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Its just the impression i get when people are chanting for him to come on the pitch & the other half of crowd are wanting to keep him on the bench:confused:

Gee didn't think we were that desperate:D

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Its funny we were just discussing the "Football Genius" bit on the way back to the car yesterday after the game, there`s no doubting he`s done wonders and no i wouldn`t want to see him go, but like everyone else i`m becoming more and more confused by team selection and not changing things when they clearly dont work, Whalley in my opinion is nowhere near good enough for first team football, but yet he`s allowed to play nearly the full 90 mins when he should have been taken off at least at half time, if not before, what must the players sat on the bench be thinking when they can see players on the pitch under preforming and yet they still are not given the chance to get on and have go.
He`s done well for the club and should stay but needs to work on the Football Genius a bit more.

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I cannot see the club getting anyone better suited than Coleman (& Bell )to handle the present situation. With the budget he has, survival has to be the first target every season for the immediate future.

But as others have stated, the guy has "issues" which leave most on here baffled at times.Whether it be selections,tactics or substitutions.

Maybe the glut of success the club has enjoyed since Coley's appointment has raised expectations among some fans. But in reality, the neutral looking at the situation would probably say that Coleman is doing a brilliant job with the means he has.With the current fan base and budget available, If we can achieve mid-table and safety for the next couple of seasons I'd be quite happy.

If attendances improve and the budget situation improves, then maybe we can raise the bar and hope for better things. But until then I think we're better off being patient,backing the man and hoping that Coleman can continue the trend that the club has followed since his appointment,that being that we have improved on our position from the preceeding season.

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Maybe now would be a good time for Coley to reschedule the cancelled fans forum, I for one would be interested to hear what he has to say.

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Lets get back to specifics. Like Galbraith knew the Scottish Lower Leagues Coley and Jimmy know the non leagues and the Merseyside/North West Market. If they ever leave expect similar consequences.

1964 though Accrington Stanley as such did not resume playing till early the next decade.

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We must be one of the only clubs in the whole football league that have ready access to the boss after every game. He has said many times that fans are welcome to ask questions, same with Jimmy. Buy him a beer & quiz him then, you'd be pleasantly surprised.

This thread makes me sick (this ain't directed at you Bagpuss!). It is happening more & more often & usually after only one defeat. The team we get beat by always have a larger budget, larger crowds, better facilities....

You're all mad! God help us when Coley goes.... (It could be Bamber Bridge we getting beat by then!)

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how do we know that the six who have voted yes are stanley supporters probably morcambe supporters with nothing better to do:p:D:D:Banane25::Banane25::Banane25::Banane25::B anane25::Banane25::Banane25::Banane25::Banane25:back where we belong with eric and john:Banane25::Banane25::Banane25:

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Here here Mr Miller

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Is it not bad enough that we balls it up on the pitch without resulting to slapping ourselves silly over whether we should let one of the best lower league management teams go? I’ve said often this season that some of the problems rest with management, they do. But they are growing up with the lads and sooner or later it’ll happen again, we’ll go up and we’ll start all the kak again.

We need to be patient and above all else the management and the team need to learn to evolve into an efficient coordinated team where communication and guile become second nature. But above everything else sort the bloody defence out and some of the new, if not older members of the team, padding up and down the pitch dropping bollocks is undoing the fantastic work that as been achieved. Never the less, a quarter down and we’re 11th after what can only be a crappy start. Give it a rest, we’re going places and we’re taking messes Colman and Bell with us.

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What do you shaggin mean "When"?

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Well, contrary to popular belief... the man ain't immortal!
He'll be here 'til he kicks the proverbial bucket. Hopefully.

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Amen to that brother....... Stop feeding him beer and make sure he stays away from them dodgy female types. lets see if her can out live the queen.

Long live King Coley.

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Over all cant blame sorely on the management - the players have some responsiblity too by earning their places & managements team sheet, the only fan point advice to Coley & Bell is that......... if team play is going tits up then plan substitutions a little better next time & have a realistic fore-sight into the game flow, like for eg Whalley should of gone off earlier we could all see that apart from the odd good ball he played most of them poorly or not at all as soon as that was realised of this weakness - rather than hope he bucks up [that relys on player seeing his mistakes & correcting them] in which case didnt happen most of match then replace him there & then!! Too late leaving it a few minutes before the 90 to improve the game & i think thats the bone of contention with coleys descions is him leaving things a little late & losing that fore-sight:rolleyes: not that people want him to go or cull of management - just a little fore-sight on what is actually happening on the pitch & the fact u have 3 subs to use if needed, think coley gets a little too hopeful of his players that can mist his view on the reality stakes on field.

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Trust you to lower the tone:p:D:rofl38:

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Even if we go down this season (highly unlikley) sacking coley would be the worst decision Eric has made.

the ammount of crap clubs in league 2 with journeymen managers whos whole ambition every August is to survive helps me remember on times like Saturday how lucky Stanley are having a manager who plays positive football and wants to get into League 1.

To replace Coley with any of the long list of journey men (even Bolton and Norwich have appointed useless managers of late) would be disaster.

I may have only been a fan for alittle over 2 years now, but I can see what positives Stanley have and one of them is Johnny Coleman.
Expect to see my amazing Johnny Coleman football genius banner loud and proud on Tuesday night.

P.S. any chance someone can have a word with coleman to give me a lift to the match? That bloody Lancashire police mobile camera was snapping me like the papperazzi on Saturday.
Going to home games is indangering my license.

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You got a banner that sings....

these scousers think of everything:D

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:)There are still lots of positives:
If anyone had said at the start of the season we would occupy mid table I would have took that!
We have made some astute signings on a very limited budget:cool:
I still think we have nothing to fear of any club that has played at the FES so far this season:)
We maybe small in terms of supporter numbers but is there any club that has more passionate supporters in League Two?:)
The Club is on an even keel finacially!
As for whether Coley & Jimmy Bell have took as far as possible the answer is a resounding no!
Perhaps the biggest problem we do have is we are punching above our weight and that raises everybodies expectations!:confused:

I Am Definately Keeping The Faith:D

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Ask Oggy, he'll set one up for you. :D:D

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this is for the 6 hypercritical so called fans and for all those who are slagging coley and jb off,accrington stanley would not be where they are today if it was not for these 2,ok things do go wrong sometimes but we are 12th in a difficult league and are a full time professional football club, so what happens if they go, and where does asfc go, IF IT AINT BROKEN DONT FIX IT. ok we have no devine right to win every match and coley might not be the complete football genius,but for f**ks sake lay off the man,COULD YOU DO ANY BETTER

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Our defence is, and has been for ages, CRAP. Last season Coley signed Julian N'Da and didn't play him, he signed Mauro Almeda and didn't play him, this season he has signed Sean Webb and he won't play him, why sign these players and pay them wages when he has no intention of playing them ? Rocky and Cav are the first names on the team sheet, how many bad games must they have before they are dropped ? How many points have they cost us over the seasons ? On Saturday there was only one chant of 'dodgy keeper' from the opposition fans this happens nearly every week. Who can say that they have confidence in Dunbavin ? Last season our defence was the worst in the league, this season it is no better. We have added Roberts who has taken the place of Welch/Antwi, we have added Branch who has taken the place of Rodgers (and is just about as useless). Dunbavin is first choice keeper at the moment, yet he wasn't good enough to get in the team last season, he played second string to loan keepers. In Saturdays programme notes Coley once again said that our defence has to improve and that we are working on it in training. When will he realise that no amount of work in training is going to improve a player's ability, when will he realise that one or two of the defenders are just not good enough and never will be, when will he make the changes in defence that he has keeps threatening to do ? Probably never. We will just have to carry on watching our desperate defending. On Saturday I never saw any of the defenders talking to each other, nobody organising the defence at set pieces, they were all just roaming around like lost sheep. As I have said for years now IF WE HAD A DEFENCE WE WOULD BE DANGEROUS.

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Look at Charlton. Curbishley was consistently geeting them top half finishes. However this wasn't good enough for a greedy few who wanted Europe despite limited resources. He leaves, and instead of playing Man U and Arsenal, they're rolling up at Burnley and Blackpool.

Similiar situation here. If the Messiah left, we'd slide down the leagues quicker then you can say "League 2".

Bishop Auckland on a Tuesay night anyone?

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There are some remarkable posts in this thread. Once the heart takes over from the head, it is so easy to reply to what you think people have said rather than what they have actually said.

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I also don't think they should go, because, yes, they have achieved miracles on limited resources. But as Jeff says, they are not using those limited resources to the full. What's the point of playing dodgy defenders week in, week out, when you have the likes of Webb sitting on the bench?

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True wynonie plus wasting a fair bit of money too buying players & not using them appropriately & dead end wage bills:rolleyes:

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Am I the only one who hasn't seen any evidence of Webb being any better than any Unibond defender... let alone Rocky or Roberts?

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How many time have you seen him play ?

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coley to remain at the helm. But I do agree certain members of the team need to be dropped. Who could come in and do better on such a tight budget and without spending a penny on transfer fees?

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one of his biggest clangers will go down as giving john miles a 2 year deal.

hope miles gets 2 tommorrow night and proves me wrong.

he wont, he is bone idol.

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Dog with a bone, pal? ;)

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Something for him to chew on as he idles the evening away?:)

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Bet you're pleased at all the bites, you s**t stirring b****r. :)

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To be honest I've not seen him play very often, although he seemed to acquit himself quite well at Bury. But that's the point...he's not been given the opportunity to show what he can do, while others are given chance after chance after chance.

If he isn't any better than a Unibond defender, then it doesn't say much for Coley's judgement...but we may never find out, as he'll probably go the way of N'Da and Almeida. :(

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You really do have a problem with Miles, what did he do to you in the past, bullying, nick your wife, grass you up, please let us know.:)

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4,000 macc fans cant be wrong.
He has done nothing for stanley thus far, i repeat my moto 'prove me wrong'.
I wait...

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He played well against us for macc at the end of the season at the match at home where proccy excelled. Looked really good

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The thing is, he's a new signing who in his first appearances didn't particularly stand out. This made it very difficult for him to hold down a place, as with all new signings - Roscoe DSane anyone?
Look at it the other way round - Branch started very well and so held down a place, even though he's playing like a complete dolloper lately.
Webb may get his chance when an injury occurs, and must prove himself worthy to hold down a place.

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Why does he have to wait for an injury to occur ? Why not drop somebody who is not playing well. Branch was terrible at Barnet when playing at centre half, he was terrible against Notts County when playing at full back. If Richardson is back why not drop Branch and play Webb at centre half. Thay may well happen either tonight or next Saturday as Branch cannot play two games in one week can he ?

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So If you're dropping Branch (and rightly so judged by last Saturday)and presuming Richardson plays at full back, who else makes way for Webb ?? For my money it'd be Williams but will Coley actually drop him/leave him out ??

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No need. Play 3 centre halves like we did at Bury and looked comfortable apart from 10 mad minutes?

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As Redraine says, play with three centre halves like we have been doing for the last few matches. Branch and Whalley out, Richardson and Webb in.

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What was the position over the defence of the far post at Bury when Mangan crossed?

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Quite agree, as both Cavannagh & Richardson are better going forward,to give us width,which was lacking on Sat.with Craney & Whalley.:)

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Absent without leave!

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Same as when Notts County scored their second goal and same as most goals that we concede.

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glad to see the poll is going the only way it could do!!!

To even contemplate gettin rid of the best duo in the league would be suicide!!

I would express a different view that if we push into a play off place other teams will be on the sniff for our managemet team!!

No money and no resources and look at what they have achieved!!

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He shouldn't have to. But we all know that is the case.

I'm just wondering what's going on with Phil Edwards, as I'd like to see a 4-4-2 with:

GK: Dunbavin
RB: Edwards
LB: Richardson
CB: Roberts
CB: Williams
RM: Cavanagh
LM: Branch (only left footed player, only player other than Cav who can cross from the wing)
CM: Craney
CM: Proctor
ST: Mullin
ST: DSane

(subs Fearon Webb Harris Brown McGivern)

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if not Dunbain the Harris was my MOM tonight, Otherwise then I agree with 2 good attacking full backs playing the 'wings'

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Thank god this poll results in favour so we're ok but be careful when u call for managers head sometimes they go:eek: as some teams find out.

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From the Accy Observer Dec. 2002.


IN MARCH 1958, Accrington Stanley were challenging strongly for promotion to the Second Division of the Football League. Their manager, a young Scot named Walter Galbraith, had just been the subject of an approach by Blackpool, then a First Division club.

The Accrington Observer reckoned six reserve team youngsters were each worth £2,000 on the transfer market, such was the calibre of the playing staff. The ambition of the club was underlined the following month by their purchase of a grandstand, for which planning permission had already been obtained.

From these facts alone, it would seem that Accrington Stanley was a robust organisation. All the more baffling that Stanley would resign from the Football League four years later, a mere shell of the vibrant club.....



Why on earth is there this sort of thread running on this forum?

I remember going to Belper and Stocksbridge, and even Maghull and Atherton Collieries to watch Stanley play league games. The sort of Johny-cum-latelies who want Coley's head after a couple of disappointing results, in Football League Two, don't know they're born.

When Coley took over we had just endured relegation and had had about seven managers in the process. Coley brought stability, three promotions and year on year improvement in our league position.

There may be some dim wits prepared to run the risk of history repeating itself by letting go of the most successful manager in the club's history.

Thankfully Eric Whalley doesn't come under that category.

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Great posting Thin monkey :)

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I will tell you why there is this sort of thread. Not everyone is happy to go bumbling along in League 2 winning away and losing at home. Whilst I will sit on the fence as to whether Coley is cutting the mustard, you cannot expect everyone who supports the club to have the same opinion as you! I used to watch Stanley pre 1962, and I have watched them coming up through the non-league ranks and am personally glad they have made the league, but and it is a BIG but can you honestly say you are 100% happy with the way things are going. There are plenty of managers waiting for football clubs, Cotterill, Jewell et al, however, Eric seems fit to continue with the current management team. Please don't slag off Stanley supporters or call them dim wits as everyone is entitled to an opinion, and whether it agrees with your views or not - TOUGH:confused:

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Ive heard it all now!! let sack coley and cotteril and jewell will want the job!!

I am laughing my socks off!

John Coleman, Jimmy Bell thank god you are made of strong stuff when there are loonies around who chat his drivel!!

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The only loony is YOU!! Last nights performance was an absolute example of why these two muppets must start looking over their shoulders to blame only the players today on the radio and not His ridiculous team selection (Graham Branch) who is not fit to play for Barrow never mind Stanley and by the way the clayton end seemed very frastrated at the end so he certainly is getting it wrong. All managers have to start somewhere why not Stanley alot of ex footballers have made ther money already so who knows who may apply if they were to be sacked.

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Bit of a ****** now for anyone to change their votes after last nights performance:(

A change is definately a must somewhere we have given them their chances to prove or dis-prove otherwise.

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What happens on Saturday then if Stanley win??? I know a big IF but what happens then, do you still call for Coley's head? There's been enough managerial casualties so far this season already for another one to go and to say Steve Cotterill would want the job you are having a laugh!!!

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if they win on saturday it will be a disgrace .if the stanley players cant raise there game to play in front of their own supporters they need to have a long hard look at thereselves they are killing the only chance stanley have to build on our own support.they are killing the club with there inept attitude it wont be long when we see an average home support of 700 and that is not sustainible in the league when you are relying on the away support to make any money on the turnstile .it may be well winning away but the home fans are the clubs bread and butter..

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I'm not being funny, I'm honestly not, but that means that whatever the management team do they cannot win!! If they win AWAY from home they are doing wrong because they should be winning AT home!! Surely we should be happy with any win no matter where it is rather than calling it a disgrace!!

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I still wouldn't want either of them to go, but the buck stops with the manager whose job it is to motivate players or ship em out.

The back line was crap last year and it hasn't improved this year, however Leam was probably the only defender to come out last year with any kind of credit -yet he has been shoved to the bench or the other side of the field to be replaced by an ageing professional who has the nous but not the legs nor the bottle to play at this level. Rocky has been poor all year yet plays week in week out, Phil Edwards always plays well (usually out of position) given the chance but doesn't get the chance. Boco is supposedly one of our best players yet can't get in the team and when he does he plays as left wing back, David Brown is a forward no matter what anybody says yet plays in midfield, Craney is a midfielder who ends up playing up front.

The first two years in the Conference we pi$$ed about with formations and it got us nowhere, third year we went back to 4-4-2 and won the damn thing. Let's get back to 4-4-2 and play the right players in their right positions and swap them about if they play badly. Edwards at right back, Webb and Robbo in the middle, Leam at left back - Harris or Proctor and Craney in the engine room with whomever you want playing down the wings - Mullin and any one from Boco/Roscoe/McGivern up front.

Whatever players or formation we put out it needs to change if it aint working, and at home it isn't. Has it not been identified that things aren't working at home? has it not been identified that one or two players are not performing on a regular enough basis?

These are some of the reasons why we aren't happy. And we know Coley isn't happy either - but he has to start showing us why we consider him to be a good manager and he can start by making wholesale changes to the shower that played last night.

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All this talk of getting rid of Coley and Bell is pie in the sky, Eric Whalley will never sack them, He could never afford to bring in a League Manager. If the players are only on half the League average wages, according to the Club, then it would stand to reason that the Management Team would be on only half the average Managers wages. Would Eric pay sixty grand or more to get a mediocre lower League Manager in, I think not. We will just have to plod along with what we have and I mean plod along, until such times as the dwindling gates call time to our League status,and we go back to the Conference. I don't even think that with the present team that we would hold our own in that division. so come on Coley show us what you can do, watch other Managers tactically and learn, or you will take us back from where you brought us.

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Does this mean that we haven't got a 'League Manager'

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Upgrading the manager and staff is a good idea if it is indeed an upgrade. The problem is, Eric would probably see it as another opportunity to save a few bob and replace JC with a trained monkey or something.

I wonder how the applications are going for a Commercial Manager? ;)

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I know there is a man in place trialling the post atm saw him after Rochdale match, Macca might know a bit more:D, Altho good to see Lew there as a supporter at the clayton end:D

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is thta the dreaded vote of confidence from Mr Whalley?

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Was just thinking the same thing..................ukcowboy not sparkie!

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From today's/tomorrow's Observer

Accrington Stanley chairman Eric Whalley has backed under pressure boss John Coleman - but admits that results must start to improve.

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he also states that the next six games are the biggest of the manager's career and that they will sit down after the Chester game on the 5th January and review where they are at :eek:

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Probably nearer to the relegation zone than now.

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Last time I remember this being said Stanley went on to win the conference.