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I held out as long as I could, but now even I must concede that it is time for the management team to be replaced.

We are tactically inept.
A recent example:

Today versus Shrewsbury, we played 4-4-2. Or rather, that was the lie put before us. Our midfield consisted of three central midfield players and a fellow in a complete world of his own named Miles. No one played on the right of midfield throughout the entire game.
Strike one Coley.
Holding on to a 1-0 lead until half time should have done wonders for confidence, rarely have we done so at home this season, however the "football genius'" team talk left us 2-1 down within 23 minutes of the restart.
Strike 2, sir.
As the visitors held on to their lead, a substitution was in order. Did we see Boco or McGivern brought on to impose an ounce of attacking prowess? Nope. A defender, Phil Edwards, is brought on to the field. So, what's this? Defending a defeat now?? We did not see another striker on the field to replace the ineffective Dsane until 6 minutes from time.
Strike 3.

The losing doesn't bother me at all; honestly. I would be more than happy to revisit the lower league sides again if I could be safe in the knowledge that we gave our all in the chance we had at the big time, and all resources were used to the full. However when this consistently half arsed display is paraded in front of us, it's clear to see that things need to change.

Do us all a favour and quit while we have a chance Mr Coleman.

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One more thing; Coleman's idiotic act of banning the Observer from talking to the players (because of one measly opinion poll) and hereby getting rid of Cav's column was nothing short of petulant.
Get a grip man, your team is performing extremely below par, take the flack like a man.

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That i did find childish & pathetic was that, at the end of the day he is supposed to manage our team - the ones we come & pay to watch at least play well, maybe he just cant accept the truth:(

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Have to say that in my opinion, Miles had a half decent game today, He made some very timely tackles in midfield as well as in defence, and was unlucky not to have scored in the second half, had his shot blocked and it was on target and would probably have had the Keeper beaten, otherwise I completely agree with you :eek:

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Admittedly I thought Miles had one of his few half-decent games for us. Looked lively in places and as you say cowboy had a decent crack at goal or two. He is purely in a world of his own though, looking more like a spare boot lace than an integral part of the team. Saying that - any displays of team work with our boys lately have been extremely few and far between.

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what proven manager is going to come to stanley for a below average salary, below average wage budget, below average transfer funds (practically nothing), below average support,etc. Is the question - Has JC taken us as far as he can? or have WE (stanley) gone as far as we can?
I think if we got a new manager he would almost certainly come from the place were most of our players come from non-league. Jim Harvey is a good friend of eric but would he be better than coley?
Coley has an eye for talent and has missed out on players that would of taken us to the top half of this league mcclean & bishop up front? what might of been.
I honestly cannot see anybody doing a better job than coley on his financial resources.
I think maximum loans for the new year, A keeper, 1 defender, 2 midfielders/wingers and a striker. And if none of those budding 16-19 year old youth prospects arnt knocking on the door of this shabby 1st team then they all want sacking too.

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What was the name of the kid who got a run in the last game of last season?

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No one has ever done better for Stanley on current resources than John Coleman and no one ever will.

Walter Galbraith at least had 6000 gates.

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grant i think

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A bit of a chicken & egg situ really, because with play at home being not clever viewing - who wants to come & watch drivel on the pitch week after week, thus fore dwindling gate money that is essential to put back into the club for manager disposal.

What will bring back the crowds is a bit of good play & management, creating the optimism of fans coming back week after week. It is essential our home support is crutial, its bad when loyal supporters have had enough & reconsider spending in the club.

So which is it, fresh blood or keep as we are, we keep as we are we wont have any money for purchase of players & wages nevermind the little we do have:(

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From what I have seen of the tables both the reserves and youth teams seem to have improved on last year so that must be a good sign. Problem with kids is that it's a numbers game and if you get 1 a season who comes up through the ranks then you are doing extremely well. The good ones are always creamed off by the big money clubs.

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I dont think the appointment of derek egan would bring supporters flooding back through the turnstiles. But if we could pull a stevenage off with a peter taylor maybe. But they know all about the higher class football and not too much of grassroots as stated by Jim Smith.

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Robert "Bobby" Grant, scored a cracker from 30 yards when I saw him in the reserves this year, and a decent all round game. Personally would like to see him getting more involvement with the first team, worth a try.

Although, not sure how you break into the first team from the reserves. :(

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Juventus have not had ANY player come through their massive youth scheme and graduate to the first team in 15 years.

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It's a good question Oggy, and it also begs the question for a club with limited resource, do you spend money on a set up with no benefit ?

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not really valid Kiwi, juventus have the dosh not to give a sh1t.;)

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..The other part to my statement was the reason none have 'made it' into the first team is because they sell them and are making squillions doing so.

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Teams like Crewe Alexandra have something like a conveyor belt of youth. They sell then with no hesitation he (dario gradi) brings a bunch of youngsters into the team. Many others do the same at this level. To be honest if none of the current youth team/reserves are in for a chance of a call-up they must be awful footballers.

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Why does it have to be a "proven" manager? As several others have said in previous threads, all managers have to start somewhere. This club would be ideal for someone new to management and with ideas and ideals.

Rogers, Branch, Carden, Grant, maybe Miles. A pity that the eye is closed sometimes.

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Well he paid nothing for a Team that rose 3 levels

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which he got rid of the best of em [ok craney back but on loan] & left us with the rot to precede them:rolleyes:

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Which eric got rid of. And did eric make the funds available from the sales?
(i dont know the answer) but i very much doubt he did.

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To be fair the Crewe situation has been established for a long time now and with backing from a certain Merseyside premier league team. Dario Gradi is probably one of the best at spotting youth talent. I presume Stanley are fairly novice at youth team football ? Did they have a youth team during the non-league days ( serious question ). I also doubt they have a scouting network that can really compete with most of the football league. Unless they get lucky it could be years before any lads come through.

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So eric is the manager & coley is the puppet on a string is he?? Coley could of fought to keep them on the books or ensured that the funds would be for replacements :confused::rolleyes:

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Boco, Barry, Arthur, Webb, Roberts, G Roberts, Craney, Cavanagh, Dsane, Harris, Richardson, Todd, etc Antwi, Elliot, Martin, Randolph, - major loan coups. More good than bad and to say he dosent pay anything I would like to see a manager do better. If coley leaves he wont be out of work long.

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Eric makes the final decisions regarding transfers in and out. Maybe the money went on ground developments, but it didnt go on players. They were both moving to much bigger clubs and I doubt anybody could of stopped them. Would coley of agreed for the loan of roberts to ipswich until january with a view of a permanent move if it was his decision ? I doubt it.

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I was just reading through what has been said about the reserve and youth teams you can't criticise 16/17 year olds on the basis of they aren't playing first team football yet. How many do you see playing at this level at such an early age??? :confused:

Bobby Grant had a belter of a game last year at MK Dons I agree but from both the 1st and 2nd scholars there's a goods few others who look handy too, Peter Murphy, Robert Grant, Chris Turner, Jay Bell, Lee Riley and Bee Ami just to name a few!!!

Martin Fearon is the greatest example of that as a player coming through it is a complete wait and see game and if you get your chance you take it!! Simnple as!!

Also, with regards to funding for thge academy. we haven't tried it before so we can't criticise what we don't yet know it'll take a good few years probably to see the fruits of their labours!!

Burnley for example have only brought 2 through recently in the form of Lafferty and McCann and now Rodriguez (who has not played competively in the first team yet) so it seems an overall thing not just a Stanley thing!!

I'm from the school of thinking having a youth set-up is a great thing to have at any club to be honest!!

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It depends at what level you want to bring them through at, there are a couple that spring to mind from last year and the year before who have pulled through in to the lower reaches of the football league. One had a goal disallowed today I believe, Mark Pugh, and Neil Trotman is doing well at Oldham. But they are few and far between. And that is at a club with an established youth set up.

I said earlier it may take years but I think it's something that should be stuck at, the rewards will be there.

Perhaps the OSC could arrange a Q&A with Coley and Ashley Hoskin to see what the future does hold at that level and the plans ahead.

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theres no point, we'd probably only have a handful turn up