New Stand
 

:) Anyone know if work on the new stand has started ???

Re: New Stand
 

:) work was surpost to start with in days of the last game of the season' with all this fine weather we are enjoying and to last till next wkend at least,i hope a start has bin made:)

Re: New Stand
 

Are you going to pay for it?

There is no money for a new stand.

Re: New Stand
 

Apparently the new stand, providing the extra seating required for league 2, has to be finished by May 2009 - no ifs or buts.

If it is not done then we will be relegated as far as I am aware.

Re: New Stand
 

I'm sure Rob Heys has said that they'll be incorporating dressing rooms, offices and some sort of rental units into the stand. They can then borrow the money to build it and recoup it from the rents they receive. They will also be eligible for a grant from the Football Foundation. Bob's right, though - if it isn't built by the end of next season, we'll be out of the league, no matter where we finish in the table!

Re: New Stand
 

Yeah well the money needs to come first.

Re: New Stand
 

Yeh the new stand & other requirements will have to be done by the 1st of May 09 otherwise we will find ourselves out of the league regardless.

Re: New Stand
 

A grant is available for 50% of the cost of the new stand, but the rest of it would have to be raised and paid for. They're talking of a cost of £1million, but they don't know for sure. The £500,000 would have to come from somewhere and the only place it could come from is through loans, but even they aren't assured, especially in the current financial climate. What collateral does the club have to secure against the loans? Not enough really.

The thing is, the build would be a white elephant, as on our gates we don't need the extra seating. I know it's a requirement of the league, but it's a hell of a lot of money and I really don't think we're in any financial situation to borrow large sums of money. A bit of rental money from leasing offices would help, but where's the rest of it coming from every month?
An option would be to build low breeze block 'walls' in the away end and put cheap seating on top, or even wooden planks with 'seats' marked on them. It doesn't have to be something special and then if we are relegated next season, we wouldn't have blown a load of money on something we don't need. Even this option is going to cost, though.

Don't forget, aren't we supposed to have a permanent police control room by the start of next season? If that's still the case (and it was), then that needs to be a priority. Yet again though, I have to ask, where is the money coming from for that?

I know people will just see this post as TM being negative again, but we have to be realistic.

Re: New Stand
 

Totally agree with you, dont forget one of the reasons the old Accrington Stanley went was the building of a stand.

Re: New Stand
 

the current police control room is staying as it is with the minor alterations to the steps that have been made to keep local residents happy..

Re: New Stand
 

Good to see the club sharing its information. A few quid saved there then.

Re: New Stand
 

that's were the ten quid went from the sale of dsane

Re: New Stand
 

I'm just watching him playing in the FA Trophy final. Looks like we got a good deal. :D

Re: New Stand
 

This sounds good & very promising:)

Blackburn Rovers Ewood Park Scores For New Businesses (from Lancashire Telegraph)

Re: New Stand
 

It's the only way to go forward where the gates alone don't support the club. Clubs have to find ways of creating revenue all year round not just for 23 days a season.

Re: New Stand
 

speculate to accumulate? we won't.

We'll only spend what we have and at the moment that is pretty much nowt - so building office space won't happen.

That's not a moan, its not a criticism, its how it is.

Re: New Stand
 

Rob Heys reckons it will. He's quoted in the Observer as saying, "This could cost up to £1m but hopefully it will be self-generating with changing rooms, new offices and places to rent. If it does generate income, we can borrow the money, although there is also money available from the Football Foundation."

The sad fact is, the stand is destined to become a white elephant, but it will have to be built regardless, or we'll be out of the league. :(

Re: New Stand
 

Just reading back the article I posted up from the Telegraph, the funding or some way towards it to build Business Space could be there if it was incorperated into the New Stand from the No Limits Fund:)

It could be used to hold Away Fans!

Roof on, Seats in place would probably attract more Away Fans and could probably charge a few quid more:cool:

Maybe incorperate a Restaurant that could be used on Matchdays for corperate and Every other night and Weekends be generating income for the Club, possibly a gym or some other recreational use that could be used by the Sqaud during the day and by the People of Hynburn in the Evenings at Weekend again that come become self finacing or at least maybe attract grants to help build it if being used by the wider community as well.

Re: New Stand
 

if it is going to cost us £500,000 (then the same again from the various foundations) how long would it take us to make that figure back?

if we went down to the Conference would we as a club make less money than we do now?

I personally kinda like the idea of being chucked out of the league again! it is in keeping with the Stanley fairytale (or tragedy). Let's make a stand (pardon the pun) against the hierarchy who would have us go bust again.

Get Mr Pope involved, in light of clubs such as Halifax, Rotherham, Bournemouth etc (and another ten every year) staring closure in the face because of overspending, we should be held up as a shining light of how a football club should be run. Well maybe not quite but you know what I mean.


The alternative would be to build a tinpot temporary thing that could come down as soon as we get relegated/find £1/2m whichever comes first. But of course, Mr Heys has already ruled out the building of a temporary structure as it would be wasted money.

Re: New Stand
 

I DO NOT want to have to go through that again!

Re: New Stand
 

At least Coley is doing his bit?

LC1Y9993.jpg :: Accy v Bury

Re: New Stand
 

Considering who's watching him, he daren't do otherwise!!

Re: New Stand
 

Accy fans should take back the Accy End.

RESTAURANT Any proposed new stand should include a restaurant that could not only cater for matchday and coporate, but also for the players and staff during the week. That would save some money as well as bringing in a bit from various staff paying for their dinners (subsidised of course). The restaurant could also take care of outside catering interests, which could be discounted for functions booked at the club.

SHOP OUTLETS The new stand should also include various bits of concession stands such as a bookies, club/OSC shop, food, drink, sweets, or even one offs like AA or RAC etc. Each stall could pay a nominal ground rent of say £30 for such like as the bookies. It's not a fortune but a) it would bring in a few thousand over the season b) programme sales would increase c) club shop sale would increase d) something to do might get the fans in earlier, might make them spend more whilst here e) something to do whilst here could encourage people to come back.

FOOD/DRINK OUTLETS Should be owned and run by the club. There is no benefit to bigger gates other than more £13 being paid and an increase in programme sales that might bnot even have been allowed for. Let's own the food bar and pay a wage to someone to run it. The stall holders aren't daft - they pay good money for the pitch knowing that they will make a huge profit no matter waht the crowd.

NEW BAR Incorporate a new purpose built clubhouse that will make more money than the present one. Demolishing th epresent one will allow for a bit more car parking space and turning a bit of what is left into a better hospitality suite than what we have now. Put the entrance to the new bar as close to the junction with Livingstone Road as possible and provide car parking immediately outside it. That would help to get more frequent and better patroned functions that what we currently have. As previously mentioned - offer catering and maybe even a DJ built into a price. The room can still be free/nominal price but if we offer catering and DJ (not at extortionate prices) we should ensure being booked up friday and saturday nights for months in advance.

OFFICE SPACE Like Pendle Red stated some of the money can come from outside agencies such as No Limits. Built right each office could look out onto the ground and as part of their monthly rent they can use their office as thier own private box. This again acts as a sweetener to ensure that we get the space rented out. Once they are in we can hit em for an advertising board outside their window etc etc. The one thing we shouldn't do is increase their monthly rent from £x to £x + £10k for a season long box.

COMMUNITY SPACE We could also get money from the Lottery if we provide a community Hall. That would also allow us to lead the community in as many events as our community team can think up. It would also prevent us having to spend a huge amount of money on renting areas like the New Era for hours upon end every night of the week. It could host Youth Clubs, it could host childrens birthday parties, it could host jumble/car boot sales at weekend.

You can get money from hundreds of agencies for hundreds of reasons. The trick is to know what for and how to get it. Maybe employ somebody who knows about these things? The OSC could never have done the Exhibition without help from people who know about grants and the like - but we have profited in terms of goodwill within the community, positive Google Page Ranking national and local, and by the end of the project we should hopefully have made some money off the back of it. With a bit of luck the club will also have been thinking about how to profit from it.

NEW CHANGING ROOMS Maybe not a money earner but would help us look better and more professional to potential new signings. Maybe a gym could somehow be incorporated which would save us money on hiring out municipal gyms?

CAR PARKING Lets get the car park tarmacced and marked out, better access and exits and then charge the buggers £3 to use it. People would still use it especially away fans so we are losing around £600 per game. That pays the Stewarding bill each week

Above all else though I would make the Accy End for Accy Supporters! I kinda like being a Clayton Ender but surely the Clayton End should be frequented by folk from that end of town? Lets star trying to get some form of friendly rivalry going between ends. Put the away fans in the Cow Shed or summat. But Accy on the Accy End please but allow some form of standing area for the singers. We could put the sh!ts up the away team and officials if we were singing right above em as the leave/enter the pitch

----------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------- IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ---------------------
--------------------- IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ---------------------
--------------------- IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ---------------------
--------------------- IIIII xxxxxxxxxxIIIII ---------------------
--------------------- IIIII xxxxxxxxxx IIII ----------------------
--------------------- IIIII xxxxxxxxxx IIII ----------------------


dots are seats IIIII is standing and xxxx is the tunnel. Shudda been an architect eh?

Re: New Stand
 

Stick to selling Tools, lol :tongueout

Re: New Stand
 

you gonna start buying again then or what tubs?

Re: New Stand
 

No money Apparently? Just Like Stanley:eek:

Re: New Stand
 

why dont they just build a temporary scaffold stand - the only thing is, the council will have to come each week and check it - but that wont cost the club anything.
And, they club can either hire the scaffold or purchase it - if its hired take it down for 3 months a year to save a bit of cash.

Halifax is a perfect example of how spending big money on big stadium can hurt you in the long run.

Re: New Stand
 

:eek:Scaffold stand!!! thats not the first time thats bin menstioned and i dont mean on the forum either,i think we'l just have to wait and see:(

Re: New Stand
 

Think Watford had a temporary stand for a period.

Re: New Stand
 

It doesn't have to be a stand, all that is required is extra seating, this can be put anywhere

Re: New Stand
 

Nothing worng with a scaffold stand.
if it passes all the council health and safety - then so what.
When did asthetics come into consideration at the fraser eagle?

Re: New Stand
 

planks on concrete block on the whinney hill side , go down with a cheap marker one foot apart , sure they can put 900 there lol problem solved

Re: New Stand
 

May be a cheaper option would be to build on what we have and remain faithful to our roots and established style i.e. it may be possible to extend the Whinney Hill Stand backwards and upwards and seat it throughout with the required number of seats. The roof would need raising a bit.

Did they not do similar with the Kemlyn Road Stand at Anfield and the stands at Old Trafford or did they rebuild the whole stand from scratch?

Re: New Stand
 

Yes, that's us. ;)

Re: New Stand
 

And I always thought you were Coley's Cones.http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...ons/icon10.gif

Re: New Stand
 

:) some one some where must know something,have the plan's been submited is there a artist's drawing of the stand,or is it top secret,come on rob,lee or anyone else at the club talk to us:rolleyes::D;)

Re: New Stand
 

I am sure that planning permission was granted years ago

Re: New Stand
 

The Joys of MS Paint :)
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...2/asfcfes1.jpg

:rolleyes:

Re: New Stand
 

:)not bad Gaz in fact pritty good:D;)

Re: New Stand
 

While we're on the subject, the Kemlyn Road stand, at first they just built the boxes and second tier behind the existing stand. It opened in 1992. The lower tier seating was revamped in 1995 because it still had pre-taylor recommended seat treads.

At Old trafford they completly demolished the 1960's north stand and built the current 26000 structure, with the east stand, thery did the same as they did at Anfield built the extra tier and roof behind and re-profiled the seating in the close season, the West stand they just built the tier behind because it was originally built in 1994.

Re: New Stand
 

Can you do another version with seat numbering so we can check if it's correct :D

Re: New Stand
 

Well the seating at is FES is apparently 1200, so we only need another 800. I noticed the new roof on the Clayton End has was is known as a 'goalpost' structure with looks as though it can be lifted and the terrace extended over the concourse so that could make up the extra capacity to make it over 6000. Or even extend the Coppice Terrace towards the Whinney Hill Stand??

Re: New Stand
 

:) Hold on its the new stand we're on about not extending the hole ground ;) not sure if we hve any money for the new stand let alone the extras your putting on:rolleyes: but i like your thinking:)

Re: New Stand
 

Did you mean the 'whole' ground, or are you refering to the FES as a hole? :eek:

:mosher:

Re: New Stand
 

so i can't spell:( well sorry for being dumb

Re: New Stand
 

It was'nt meant as a criticism Mab :bingobang .
Just trying to be humerous, apologies.

Re: New Stand
 

:) its ok and accepted;)

Re: New Stand
 

I think those artists impressions are brilliant. The ground really starts to look like a stadium. The club should press on with this in spite of the low gates. If people think they are going to a proper ground it might help boost crowds (you could give half those seats to away fans as well (I think already mentioned).

I look forward to Kipax's pics as the framework starts to go up!

Re: New Stand
 

bloody ell forever , dont say people will come to ground if it looked proper in here , these lot will start moaning again .

Re: New Stand
 

Observer today


The Chairman also confirmed that work will begin on a 1000 seater stand on the Whinney Hill terrace but they have written to the FA to ask for dispensation. "... what is the point if there is nobody to sit on them? ..... but it seems mad building a £1m stand that no-one will sit in, and we will have to find investment for half as the Football Foundation grants are only half the amount ....... we hope to start work shortly if we have to"

There we go. It is going up this pre-season if it has to (unless the FA feel sorry for us) and it is the £1m one rather than the temporary one that keeps on being mentioned. Worryingly though we have still to find the investment ot pay for the half that the grants won't. Hyndburn Council are you listening? get your hand in your pocket and we'll make it community based other than matchday.

Re: New Stand
 

see what i mean . even supporters club dont want ground to be improved . if your kitchen doors are naff and not up to standard you replace them , not harp about them not being used

Re: New Stand
 

What you on about?? Macca was quoting Eric from the Observer, you know Eric Whalley - the Chairman - not saying it as himself as Chairman of the OSC, which he isn't now anyways but I digress, get your facts straight before you start harping on :rolleyes:

Re: New Stand
 

I know you're quite new to ASFC but if we are so naff as a club why bother mate?

Spirito de Stanley - this club will never be miserable, despite your best efforts

Re: New Stand
 

Sorry Mucca, The FA have already stated we must put in a further 1,000 seats before the end of next season to stay in the Football League, regardless of where we finish next season. Personally, I hope that the computer imagery is something like but we shall see. So Eric's pleas fell on deaf ears, or if the facilities are improved then maybe we will attract more support from the locals and attendances will improve. We shall see.

Re: New Stand
 

The way I understand it, its naff all to do with the Football Association (FA)

It is however a Football League rule that by the end of the 3rd season of membership ALL grounds WILL have 2000 seats.

Funding is available from the Football Foundation and maybe other sources. We need to see how much we can obtain from these other sources by diversifying the use of the ground on non match days.

Barnet had the problem and overcame it, Morecambe will be in the same boat, as will Dagenham.

IMHO if your in the FL comply; there are plenty of others who will willingly take our place:rolleyes: Stevenage, Exeter, Oxford, York, Halifax, Woking, R&D, Kiddy, Alty, Barrow to name a few!!

Re: New Stand
 

I thought Morecambe were moving to a New Ground for the 2009/10 Season:confused:

Re: New Stand
 

new !!!! iv been going for years moron

Re: New Stand
 

Re: New Stand
 

Here we are a nice big empty stand;)

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...2/asfcfes2.jpg

Re: New Stand
 

in that big empty stand your suppose to put a tunnel were the players come out from

Re: New Stand
 

This would be classed as the East Stand, tradition shows that the tunnel is always in the West Stand which is primarily the 'Main' Stand.
Personally I've put the dugouts in on the East Side and build some nice new facilities behind the main stand and have them come out in the centre of that stand? Though most clubs seem to be opting for the teams arriving on the pitch from the corner??

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...cfes2ptake.jpg

Re: New Stand
 

They would prefer us to spend above our means then in a years time start struggling financially then apply for administration where they will then happily deduct us 10 points. :mad:

Re: New Stand
 

agree its "Bloody Nonsense" nowt the club can do against the gods though.:(

Re: New Stand
 

Nice tunnel but did you miss the news they were trying to get rid of McEvilly, the other players can make do with a smaller tunnel. :D

Re: New Stand
 

If the stipulation is we have to have an extra 800 seats by next May then that is how it is!
We have known about it for the past two years, time that should have been used to get the neccesary grants, funding etc. organised

Re: New Stand
 

Didn't realise the tunnel would be for supporters to arrive by train :rolleyes::D

Re: New Stand
 

everyone knows that, but Do You think its right, when clubs of stanleys position can't fill em? i don't!

Re: New Stand
 

It's a double edged sword!

On the one hand I do not want Stanley to struggle and go into debt to pay for it but on the other hand it is a Business and should be treated as such and if attracts better facilities and more outside investment into the Club then we have to look to build on that.

It was never going to be easy at League Level but if we want to aspire and attract New people to take us onto the next level then it my eyes it has to be done. There is a fantastic amount that goes on at the Club by so few, but there is so much more than can be achieved if sometimes we look at the bigger picture:)

I know we are not Burnley but even the reality has hit home there that with better facilities it pays for itself further down the line.

Re: New Stand
 

agree its a double edged sword, but i have vivid memorys of a stand bought nearly 50 yrs ago by accrington stanley, they could neither afford nor fill that, was known locally as " The White Elephant" the only differance was then they were not obligated to buy it. us coffin dodgers remember only too well the damage that caused, to obligate, as is the case, of any club in such a position is morally wrong to me, simple as that.

Re: New Stand
 

im waiting for the 'buy a seat' campaign.

im gonna pledge 2.