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ukcowboy 17-09-2009 12:28

New Club Statement Re HMRC
 
See:-


www.accringtonstanley.co.uk

cashman 17-09-2009 12:51

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always good to have proper clarification of things. pity the previous regime didn't:rolleyes:

JEFF 17-09-2009 12:55

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 745691)
always good to have proper clarification of things. pity the previous regime didn't:rolleyes:

Unfortunately the 'previous regime' included DON and Rob Heys

ukcowboy 17-09-2009 13:18

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Database contains 2807 News items from May 2003 to Sep 2009


JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec 2003200420052006200720082009 Club statement ( Tuesday 9th Jun 2009 )
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HM Revenue and Customs update
http://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/g...%20customs.jpgAccrington Stanley have today reached an agreement with HM Revenue and Customs that will see the winding up petition due to be heard at the High Court tomorrow adjourned.

The club have put forward proposals to clear the debt over the next twelve months, and hmrc are satisfied that the club are serious about clearing the debt and will continue to work with the club to that end.

Speaking about the deal chief executive Robert Heys said "We knew hmrc were only ever going to adjourn the hearing rather than remove the petition tomorrow, in order to give some time that will show that we can meet the initial payments going forward. We will do this over the coming weeks and months and look forward to a formal removal of the petition in the near future."

The club's legal representatives will attend the hearing to apply for the adjournment which hmrc's legal team will not oppose.

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I remain confused :confused:

BERNADETTE 17-09-2009 13:31

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According to a report in the paper (can't remember which one now) HMRC and the club agreed monthly payments of the debt. The club didn't honour the payments so HMRC foreclosed.

cashman 17-09-2009 13:32

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 745693)
Unfortunately the 'previous regime' included DON and Rob Heys

True but if Saddam was at the helm would you rock the boat? from my standpoint benefit of the doubt springs to mind.:)

sherry 17-09-2009 13:40

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SAVE OUR STANLEY
So, the DON has been found out telling 'porkies' about the non-existent deal with the tax man, who has slapped his wrist!
Obviously E.W., D.O.N., and R.H. have known since May that the tax man wanted all of his money by the end of August.
D.O.N. knew this when he took over Stanley, but didn't have the brass, so he's conned the supporters and the good people of Accrington, Burnley, Bury, Blackburn and the world into paying it for him.
He should be in government!

cashman 17-09-2009 13:49

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you should perhaps be in goverment sherry as a spin doctor:rolleyes: do you know fer fact what you say? or could he have made a poor assumption? yer post does not help the appeal to save the club one little bit, ya have SAVE OUR STANLEY at the start of yer post, perhaps it should say STRANGLE OUR STANLEY.:(

ukcowboy 17-09-2009 15:20

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posted in error

sherry 17-09-2009 15:51

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Yeah, I may be Gordon Brown, but I support and donate more than my fair share to help Stanley survive, not strangle, yet everything I've said is true.

lancsdave 17-09-2009 17:11

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Originally Posted by sherry (Post 745743)
Yeah, I may be Gordon Brown, but I support and donate more than my fair share to help Stanley survive, not strangle, yet everything I've said is true.


If you are in possesion of some facts to prove it then fine, otherwise you might want to add 'in my opinion' to your posts, otherwise you may find your paying the tax bill from the proceeds of a libel case ;):)

VALAIRIAN 17-09-2009 17:34

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I might have this wrong :confused: But, didn't Rob Heys say at the Fans Forum that the club had thought that they had an arrangement over 12 months, but in fact had not? May be wrong, but thought that was what was said.

maccawozzagod 17-09-2009 17:55

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i think that what is coming out of all this is further proof (if it were needed) that you cannot hope to hide the truth when hundreds of people are involved. When will they ever learn that we need, at all times, to be as fully informed as possible.

It is hard to believe that after the mismanagement of the 'regime' that put us in this mess we are still prone to the odd mistakes such as not knowing what timescale was put in place.

If there are any skeletons in the closet then NOW is the time to bring them out. If anyone is willing to put themselves in the firing line FOR THE GOOD OF THE CLUB, then now is the time. If we continue with this ridiculous charade we risk losing all the goodwill that is out there. And I don't care who you I will not let that happen to MY club

cashman 17-09-2009 18:30

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Originally Posted by sherry (Post 745743)
Yeah, I may be Gordon Brown, but I support and donate more than my fair share to help Stanley survive, not strangle, yet everything I've said is true.

if thats the case it leaves 2 options to me (1) you are daft as a brush, cos comments like you made do nowt to help Stanley survive. or (2) you are telling porkies, in my opinion of course.:rolleyes:

Tin Monkey 17-09-2009 18:36

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I thought all this had been cleared up at the recent fans' forum? The club had a verbal agreement with HMRC that they could repay over a 12 month period at £18,000 per month, plus a few one off bulk payments when they had the cash e.g. when the TV money came through. The club thought that it was a done deal, but at a later date HMRC changed their position and demanded the full amount in one lump sum (or near as damn it).

How does this change that story?

cashman 17-09-2009 18:39

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 745788)
I thought all this had been cleared up at the recent fans' forum? The club had a verbal agreement with HMRC that they could repay over a 12 month period at £18,000 per month, plus a few one off bulk payments when they had the cash e.g. when the TV money came through. The club thought that it was a done deal, but at a later date HMRC changed their position and demanded the full amount in one lump sum (or near as damn it).

How does this change that story?

thats how i see it, being at the forum, that makes to me a "Poor"/"Wrong" Assumption, nothing else.

VALAIRIAN 17-09-2009 18:42

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Thought I had heard that, cheers TM :)

yerself 17-09-2009 18:45

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Originally Posted by cashman
always good to have proper clarification of things. pity the previous regime didn't:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JEFF
Unfortunately the 'previous regime' included DON and Rob Heys

It would seem the present regime didn't issue this statement on a voluntary basis.
From the ASFC site:
"HMRC have asked that we release a club statement on this point as they are receiving many requests for a ‘time to pay’ and we are being quoted as an example.

VALAIRIAN 17-09-2009 18:47

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But then on the S.O.S. Site ???????????

The national fund raising initiative designed to secure the future of Accrington Stanley Football Club.

Accrington Stanley is sending out an SOS to all football fans! The initial agreement between Stanley and HM Revenue and Custom saw the club set to repay the unsettled tax bill of £308,000 in the next 12 months. However this has now been reduced and confirmed to just 8 weeks.



Now I have no idea ???????????????

Wish somebody could tell us straight :rolleyes:

Tin Monkey 17-09-2009 18:48

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I'm giving up reading this forum. It drives me insane with frustration!!! :D

ukcowboy 17-09-2009 18:51

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 745788)
I thought all this had been cleared up at the recent fans' forum? The club had a verbal agreement with HMRC that they could repay over a 12 month period at £18,000 per month, plus a few one off bulk payments when they had the cash e.g. when the TV money came through. The club thought that it was a done deal, but at a later date HMRC changed their position and demanded the full amount in one lump sum (or near as damn it).

How does this change that story?


The story seems to change to meet the present requirements of the club on an almost daily basis.

The above statement is true,inso much as that was what was said at the forum....................however todays statement says something different :-

"Club chairman David O'Neill explained "Whilst we continue with the current fund raising activities I would like to point out and clarify that at no time has Accrington Stanley Football Club and HMRC had any formal agreement in place to pay its outstanding arrears over a twelve month period, and that the previous regime had only reached agreement to be given time to implement a structured payment scheme"

Therefore, if there was no agreement in place, how the hell can HMRC 'move the goalposts'?..................Makes no sense to me Im afraid!

Tin Monkey 17-09-2009 18:57

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I think the key word there regarding the agreement is 'Formal'. I have no idea what went on in the club's negotiations with the HMRC, but maybe an individual told the club that it seemed that a 12 month deal was possible, but then the powers-that-be over-ruled that and demanded the repayment all at once?

One thing I do know, though, is that supposedly anonymous people on internet forums shouldn't cast aspersions in the belief that they can't be traced.

cashman 17-09-2009 18:59

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think its all in the wording uk, a verbal agreement aint a formal agreement as far as i'm aware.

yerself 17-09-2009 19:03

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Has anyone seen a copy of this verbal agreement?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

lancsdave 17-09-2009 19:27

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 745810)
Has anyone seen a copy of this verbal agreement?:rolleyes::rolleyes:


Generally speaking, verbal agreements made by inland revenue officials tend to be spoken in invisible ink :D

Shurm 17-09-2009 19:39

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12 months 12 days 12 weeks whats it matter now anyway we need £308k pretty fast. :eek: They might give us more time if we raise most of it so I think thats all that matters at the moment. Khans said he will match the money the directors put in with no strings so thats always there as well.

I was negative at first but I suppose we have to trust them to get the club out of this mess and if they do shaft the people of Accrington in whatever why I' sure a few of us will track them all down :uzi:;)

bdc 17-09-2009 20:14

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Does anyone know why the £45k in loans given to the club haven't been transferred to the SOS fund yet?

Does anyone think that getting Steven Gerrard involved in an all-star friendly would help the club raise some money towards the SOS fund? Given that he has a good friendship with Ian Dunbavin I think this could be achievable.

lancsdave 17-09-2009 20:27

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Originally Posted by bdc (Post 745850)
Does anyone know why the £45k in loans given to the club haven't been transferred to the SOS fund yet?

Because the SOS fund is for donations, and loans aren't donations. I would guess the loans would be used to make up any shortfall from the SOS fund.

Stanleymad 17-09-2009 20:28

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Already been suggested and the loan cant be used for the sos fund atm. Welcome to the forum might be worth a read up to be kept upto speed :)

Redash 17-09-2009 20:52

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Originally Posted by bdc (Post 745850)
...Does anyone think that getting Steven Gerrard involved in an all-star friendly would help the club raise some money towards the SOS fund? Given that he has a good friendship with Ian Dunbavin I think this could be achievable.

I think Gerrard should pitch in with a weeks wages, as a donation for Bavs and Bobby taking the rap for him.

Stanleymad 17-09-2009 20:57

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What wages is gerrard on these days?

bdc 17-09-2009 21:17

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I honestly think that having a friendly with Steven Gerrard present in the audience or at least lending his support to it would give Stanley a push towards raising more money. I remember that Gazza did a similar thing for Darlington and over 3000 people turned up so if a similar crowd turned up at the Crown it could raise circa £15k to £20k.

K.S.H 17-09-2009 21:22

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Don't hold yer breath, one lad once tried to sell him a £1 fanzine and he told him to F off

Scott_ASFC 18-09-2009 09:27

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Posted via Mobile Device it's not up to gerrard to help us... Its not up to anyone part from the people that is connected with the club as said before.

cashman 18-09-2009 10:44

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Originally Posted by Scott_ASFC (Post 745974)
Posted via Mobile Device it's not up to gerrard to help us... Its not up to anyone part from the people that is connected with the club as said before.

your a bundle of fun, anyone who loves football or even them that dont is more than welcome to help if they choose, sod off back to Misery Towers.:rolleyes:

Scott_ASFC 22-09-2009 22:39

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Posted via Mobile Device haha all i can do is laugh at that comment haha... Where did i say no one can help eh?

cashman 22-09-2009 22:47

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Originally Posted by Scott_ASFC (Post 747144)
Posted via Mobile Device haha all i can do is laugh at that comment haha... Where did i say no one can help eh?

yeh didn't, but what ya did say made me laugh, any silly sod knows that.:D

Scott_ASFC 23-09-2009 21:24

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Posted via Mobile Device yawwwnnn

Scott_ASFC 23-09-2009 22:18

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Originally Posted by Scott_ASFC (Post 747300)
Posted via Mobile Device yawwwnnn



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