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Not wanting anyone to even suggest that I just might be infected by the dreaded 'Red-letter Day' syndrome !!..or even to think thatiI could possibly be obsessed by the idea that by constantly reprising my prophesy that such a momentous event is about to happen for Accrington Stanley, then it it WILL surely come to pass !!..Dare I say ....(Alfred.E. 'Go on ...say it!')

.A THREE DAYS ONLY THREAD !!...Itl is Monday the 2nd of November.. and the bright fingers of Dawn,so assertively lighting the eastern fringes of Pendle Hill are definately pointing the way to a RED LETTER DAY !!.

By the day's ending I am more that certain that the Forum will be ablaze with information which will gladden the hearts and minds of all TRUE fans of our great Little Club that willnot not Die!!'...wherever they may be !!...

A RED-LETTER DAY INDEED !!...

( Alfred.E.....'and you're not wearing those ridiculous red-coloured spectacles either !!)

'ON STANLEY !!......ON TO EVEN GREATER THINGS !!'

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My dear Yonmon and Alfred,

So confident am I, that messrs Khan and Marsden will pull our little club through this 'slight impasse' in its history (albeit kicking and screaming), that I invite you both to join me on Weds evening at around 8pm in that great little place known as The Oaklea for a celebratory shandy or two............what say you Sirs?

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why the oak lea is the Crown (an accrington stanley pub) not good enough ????

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We may indeed be as sure as safety from the winding up as possible but one does worry for the future, indeed as whilst board remain & feeling as high that it wont be safe from being run into the ground anyway.

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whilst i'm sure if it was soley down to Mr Khan n Mr.Marsden we would be safe, what worrys me still is the dependence on liars to transfer the £100K, ya cannot make up the shortfall if ya dont actually know what it is.:(

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Thats my big fear other than eric pulling the plug on the club anyway cos the current board cannot sustain the running whilst we all think they should go.

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If / when the taxman is paid , in a realistic world Eric Whalley should be paid too, then that is another problem gone.Whilst he is still owed money for his shares , he has every right to be in Accrington Stanley., the real question I as is, is David ONiell right to be in there if he has not paid for the shares.Surely there is a loophole somewhere. Also if Eric does still own is shares is it legal for him to be involved at Chester ? Personally, I have no idea , it is only hearsay , but I am sure someone on this site will know the correct circumstances. How about you Tealeaf ? any idea.

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Who owes him money for his shares? He hasn't sold them yet.

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Sorry Jeff, I understood that David O Niell had bought Eric s shares , but Eric not been paid for them yet. Have I got it wrong ?

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It appears that O'Neil has NOT paid EW for the shares as yet. Records from Companies House still show EW as 51% shareholder.

Jeff will correct me if Im wrong as He has a much better understanding than I do! :D

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good afternoon.

Ilyas here. I realise that the club will probably not provide an update to the fans and the community at large. This is disgraceful in my view, and only one of many things that have been done, and continue to be done that are outside the pale.

before i post my update, please remember i am neither a director or an office holder at the club. I will focus only on facts, and if there is guesswork involved or second hand information, i will say so.

this is NOT a positive update, so prepare yourselves accordingly.

firstly, as of right now, £206,000 has been sent to HMRC. The balance of the money was meant to be from the PFA (on weds last week oneil told the court that the pfa money was "in the bank" and would be remitted in the next few hours). As of 3.20pm this money has not turned up. I do not believe it will arrive today.

Additionally, not one penny has come from the directors' contribution. As you recall this was meant to be for £100,000. I can confirm that nothing has come through. Oneil has contributed not one penny, unless he has sent it secretly to the tax authorities.

Also, the player's wages are not paid. this means the club has to come up with £150,000 in the next couple of days.

Also, I am now aware that no League money is to come in. Apparently the league money was used to repay the original PFA money, which in turn means that players wages for a few months were paid not by the club but by the PFA, which in turn begs the question "what happened to all that cashflow from operations if not to pay for wages". there is also the small matter of what happened to the oxford professor and ASSF loan that we had originally heard had been used for "tax payments" and when that turned out not to be true we were told it was for "operational purposes".

On a related matter, I can now confirm that oneil is not the owner of any shares. not one single share. how on earth he managed to persuade people that he is a majority owner, and signs off on the programme as "owner" is something that will be added to the list of things to be investigated.

I know most of you will be focused on the big question of "what next". Peter and i had promised the court to uphold the shortfall of £110,000. We have fulfilled that commitment. It turns out that the shortfall was much much greater. I can at least confirm that Rob Heys has been helpful and clear today. I have seen correspondence with the PFA which leads me to believe that some amount might come in at some time, but I do not know when that "sometime" might be.

I am keeping this message short and to the point. I am fuming, I am angry, and I am ashamed at the way the directors are treating this club and its supporters and fans, and the community at large. Given everything that has gone on, I believe that a forensic analysis of the accounts is the least that needs to be done, and i promise you all that i will not leave this matter un-resolved.

I also promise to come back tonight with another update. For now I have asked heys to let me know what oneil proposes to do about the new "shortfall".

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Thanks for all your efforts Ilyas, and keeping us informed. My thanks also go to Peter Marsden.

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I'm starting to think now that something very fishy is going on. Is O'Neil waiting for you (Ilyas) to sort out the debt, then hand back to Whalley. Who will then prove difficult to shift, as the club will be on a better financial footing, and he will try again to get his £1M?

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Thought Rob was on holiday this week,but obviously you are in touch with him.Thanks

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redash, i dont know the answer to that. My original post was longer, but got swiped by the system when i took too long to hit "reply". so i had to retype and then lost some of the immediacy of my original post. In that original I too wonder at what possible motive oneil would have for being so consistently inaccurate and for being so misleading. Is it simply gross incompetence ? I was of the view that incompetence allied with a huge desire for local recognition was the root of most of the problems, but the sheer scale of the debt racked up by whalley is staggering. that is why i think a true forensic audit of all cash flow and accounts will be called for - including the flow of money to and from shareholders.

right now I am slowly digesting the news. As i said in my previous post, this is not a good day for ASFC, and I am sickened to the core by what i have found out.

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This situaton seems to lurch from one crisis to another, Ilyas and Peter, again thank you for abiding by your words..............why oh why cant O'Neil do the same? Is this man a compulsive liar or does He really believe that 'it will be allright on the night'?.......I know which one I think!

Kudos to Rob Heys for His efforts to keep you up to date Ilyas.

I am praying for better news this evening..................but Im not holding my breath!

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Oh dear, this looks even worse than a cynical git like me even thought.:eek:

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Now im very worried - something dodgey is happening & think the people at the club want it to close rather than take the generous sincere offer, its madness & hurtful.

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Thank you for keeping us informed, Ilyas.

Thought I couldn't be shocked any more than I have been...

So, the club have to find another £102,000 by Wednesday morning?

Really, really worried now.

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Ilyas, forgive me for being slow! Are you confirming that the club has paid NO MORE monies to HMRC and that the £110k paid to HMRC is from both you and Peter?

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Could there be a hint of fraud going on with the missing money ?? To paraphraze that the money hasnt gone to where its supposed to go has it :confused:

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UK cowboy, just to clarify, the total gone to HMRC that i can confirm is £110,000 from me and £96,000 from SOS appeal.

Stanley Mad, whilst i share your emotion and your outrage, i think it sensible for us to be lead by facts and by hard evidence, not by emotion. I am shocked by what I have found out. I have no idea what the directors have been doing, and obviously the sums dont appear to add up. If the PFA has very generously paid player's wages, then the outgoings of the club are very low. I would want to get an independent auditor to look carefully at all outgoings from the past few seasons, not just this season, and see how things have been managed. I also want to hire a lawyer to look at the application of corporate law to the acts of all directors in the past few months (as opposed to the past few seasons). I dont know what crime has been committed, if any, by oneil on the question of passing himself off as the majority owner, but I am now sufficiently angry to want to hire legal advisors on this point.

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Opologies for the strong emotion but im really shocked & angry for u & Peter as for the rest of us whom have worked very hard to save the club, i just really dont understand the mentality from the club at all.

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Ilyas, it seems the club is forcing your hand in this horrible mess. If not legally criminal, the present regime is morally bankrupt and beyond contempt. I just hope they will be exposed in the media for what they are.

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This is not good

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So unless i'm a complete numpty. 96k sos 110k from ilyas, n unless the club honours what it has said, in 36 hours stanley are History?:mad: plus ilyas has lost 110k.

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Redraine, others have also said the same thing. But i just dont see what possible upside they woudl get by doing this. All i have to do is say that i have done my bit with the £110,000 and walk away. Then what ? Honestly, I really am now of the view that this whole mess is deeper, dirtier and smellier than a simple mis-management. Bulletin boards are very bad places to conduct this type of conversation, but given our collective love and support for the club, I believe it best to continue to share what i am learning. Its a community in Accy that deserves better, hence my shock this afternoon.

As i say, i will post again this afternoon or late evening as i learn more.

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Exactly very worrying indeed even more sorry for ilyas im soooo angry with the heads of the club:enough:


Thank you Ilyas for keeping us all informed to the best of your knowledge :D

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Why is none of this in the papers ? Isn't it about time that the press got involved and exposed Whalley and O'Neill for what they are. Are these two going to pay any monies over to the Revenue before Wednesday or are they keeping any spare cash for a share out if the Club is wound up. If that is the case I wouldn't like to be in their shoes. Mr. Whalley had better move to Chester.

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Maybe it's time someone started an SoS fund to help pay back all those who put money into the club during the past few weeks. I hope it isn't so, Mr Khan, but it looks like the carboard millionaire will take everything down with him. Is there a budding investigative journalist / writer out there; this whole sorry tale sums up the worst side of the football 'business'. Even better if there was someone from the fraud squad.

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jeff, i think that most of the more engaged journalists had more than a sense of the actual reality, but as with all responsible journalism, they want to be able to publish attributable and verifiable information. I have only just started to get some decent quality information as i have engaged directly with asfc counterparts (the courts, the revenue dept, the pfa, footy league etc), and come up with facts rather than supposition. I am sure that the papers will get there in their own good time. Right now, our concern is the survival of the club on weds. I have one or two more calls out to establish the full extent of the "black hole". I rather suspect that our chairman who has no clothes on (to use a mild analogy) is also very financially stressed. It may well be that the root of the problem is that TEWNC ('the emperor with no clothes") has made three very simple mistakes that are now compounding. the sad thing is that in his blind desire only to focus on his self interest, he has harmed the club and this town, and this community.

1. he desperately wanted to own the club and miscalculated his ability to step up to the late. what i mean is that he did not possess the means to pursue his ambition.

2. once he got into the situation, he found that not only did he lack financial means, he lacked managerial and executive ability. the way he has handled things since June is farcical.

3. he loves the idea of being "chairman" without having any idea of what that means in terms of accountability. why, otherwise, say you are "owner" etc if you dont own a single share.

I have no idea what deal has been made between oneil and whalley. half of me hopes i am wrong and oneil is going to jump out of the woodwork and prove us all wrong on item 3, and show that in fact he is the owner, and that he is just guilty of items 1 and 2. Somehow that seems unlikely.

on Whalley, i have no capacity to focus on his situation. It will take a forensic audit (and a bit of time) in order to establish his part in the sorry saga, thats for sure.

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I beleive ew is the intrigal part of all this mess & cardboard chairman is just there to take the firing squad whilst he goes about un noticed & un harmed, i think thats where its sinister but only my opinion of the matter.

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It wasn't O'Neil I was referring to as the cardboard millionaire; it was EW. I still believe it's his hand we see at work. I suspect O'Neil is a patsy.

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May I be so bold as to suggest 'not a particularly good one'............flabbergasted :confused:

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After passing on my thanks to Ilyas for all that he has done...and is continuing to pursue on behalf of OUR Club....can I just say that anyone reading my opening post on this thread will wonder just what made me write..

'By the day's ending I am more that certain that the Forum will be ablaze with information which will gladden the hearts and minds of all TRUE fans of our great Little Club that will not not Die!!'...wherever they may be !!...'

Unlike my Biblical Namesake (?)...It would appear that as far as making 'Red-Letter; prophesies go I am about as useless as Rubber Lips on a Woodpecker !!...Who knows maybe tomorrow will be 'a Re........I'll shut up!!

'ON STANLEY !!...ON!!...TO GREATER THINGS !!'

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Yonmon, you are not alone my friend...................celebratory shandies my foot :(

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LOL Yonmon u do start some really good threads & they become full of drama :D

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Never a dull moment following STANLEY. What a thread for me to wake up too..and like the rest of us, just when we all thought it was a case of 'Nearly there..'
I'm staggered, and very ****** off .:mad::mad::mad::mad:

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..Of course the other question I and I'm sure many others on here are thinking is " How long can Messers Khan and Marsden put money into the club pursuing its survival?" I'm not trying to be nosey as to, in dollar terms, how much they value supporting ASFC,but I'm sure they are not 'Bottomless pits' . Its very much a case of having picked up an old rope that was lying in the garden ,only to find it was in fact a tail attached to a bloody lion!

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What a disgusting state of affairs this shambles is turning into. I feel so very angry that after the general public have been so generous in these hard times the board have as yet to back their statements up with the monies they promised. They are a disgrace to Accrington:mad:

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Im sorry but IMO, DON hasnt taken over as the owner thus why the change hasnt been registered. EW is using a pal as a whipping boy, thinking his image as Mr.Accrington Stanley has gone untouched. EW run the de tabley arms near to Ribchester into admin.

Accrington Stanley the club that paid for Russell Whalleys gambling addiction.

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The whole sorry mess is sickening people have and still are working their socks of to keep our club alive,putting in hard earned cash from already stretched budgets, and these clowns are still pussyfooting around,COME CLEAN AND LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN.
even Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask.

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What ,here in New Zealand ???!!!:eek::eek:

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Whalley Road not too far from the ground IIRC.

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Agree katie think threats or addys are no place on here please, keep the moral high ground :)

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I don't think I have ever been as angry. I am absolutely furious at the (lack of) actions of Mr O'Neill. As Ilyas stated, this is definitely the behaviour of a man totally out of his depth (morally and financially) and of an individual who wanted the "prestige" of being a football club chairman without any understanding of what the role should entail. I simply cannot believe the rest of the board have sat back and let this happen. Where is the £100k promised from the director's? Utterly shameful. Mr Whalley's role in all of this will no doubt become apparent over the coming weeks and months. As most of you have said, this whole saga absolutely stinks and there is something extremely dodgy going on. I have no doubt whatsoever that for some unknown reason, the current hierarchy are willing to let the club be wound up.

It's a crazy state of affairs - how long can Ilyas and Peter keep coming to the rescue? The actions of these men speak far louder than any words - whatever happens, their actions have been transparent, timely and totally honest and I'm sure I speak for the town when saying how grateful I am for this. The current ASFC board do not come even close to them - the lack of communication and action from the board is despicable - this affects not just the club, but the town in general. I am sickened by this and feel totally helpless stuck down here down south (especially after finding you guys on this forum recently). I wish I could do something tonight to help in a tangible sense. I hope we can come to a point in the near future where I can invest 2/3 of weeks of my time to getting into the detail of the business and commercial side of the club to transform it in the way that we all deserve. This will obviously only be possible with new owners as the current ones don't seem interested in us even having a football club any longer - their actions demonstrate that they want ASFC wound up asap.

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IMHO I cant wait for Ilyas and Peter to get to the bottom of this whole sorry mess then maybe we could set up a fund to sue the backsides off all those involved, I wonder how quick the totaliser would go up on that one !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And yet there are still some that believe Dave O'Neill is the right person to take the club forward...

...yeh, ok, with Ilyas Khan's money and a full lobotomy.

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The present regime could,nt run a bath let alone a football club.

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If, as has been said, that EW still has his shares in Accrington Stanley, then how can he be involved with Chester City? Surely, if this is the case, then the FA will come down on him like a ton of bricks. My only hope now is that the shortfall of £102k will be paid (from where or who I do not know) and that an investigation into the shenanigans at the club is investigated by Police, Accountants and the FA. In the meantime, O'Niell and the board should step aside for a consortium to take over - whether that is ASSF and others (Mark and possibly Rob Heys) remains to be seen.

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Not sure about others, but alarm bells are going off to me. Is this why Ilyas has been turned away so often for offering to help? Ilyas you know your stuff and know how to start to sort all this filth out.You have got near the truth and that is what they feared.The directors should be nervous,very.

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hello. i just had a long-ish chat with a few other people close to the club, and also with a professional auditor who specialises in these rather tough situations.

Firstly, please, lets NOT talk about any physical threats or asking about addresses. That would lower us to the standards employed by EW and oneil. secondly, i am trying, at all times, to focus on what is right for the club, as opposed to what is right for anyone else.

Greeny, i wish i had your faith in myself. I find myself innundated with facts and with information. it will take a while to sort through it, but i remain pre-occupied with the tax payment deadline. I will come back tonight with further information.

ILyas

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as far as i am aware he is not a shareholder at chester only employed while it may seem wrong to be a shareholder at ASFC and employed by chester fc it is as far am aware not breaking any rules

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Love it!!! What a superb analogy:eek:

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Everything that goes on at Chester City is above board ;):)

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Could all this be Eric's spiteful way of paying back the town and it's business community for what he perceives as lack of support in recent years? In that regard he was his own, and the club's worst enemy.

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I really do think that the fraud squad should be called in, not only to look into the past two or three months, but the past two or three years. The Chairman (whoever he is) and the board should be thoughly investigated and if wrong doings uncovered prosecuted.There is something very unhealthy going on at that \Club. The more that comes out the worse is gets. It looks to me that they(the directors ) wanted the Club to fold. Whether this be to cover something up, or some other deceit I do not know.

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unbelievable, shocked, disgusted.

If I start I will get banned and might end up in trouble.

Cannot say any more at the moment


:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

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We must admire how considered all Ilyas' actions have been, despite how much emotion this club evokes for him. I remember on the radio some weeks ago he was asked about the directors acting in the best interests in the club, which was obviously a dangerous subject to get into. Instead of letting emotion take over Ilyas refused to deal in anything but facts, which is something we fans are not used to. Your efforts and actions will never be forgotten.

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I am Shaking........ again..

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Want to chat, pm me;)

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That is oh so true, if the worst happens n the club don't come through, the only thing i can offer ilyas is n owd saying i live by= Don't Get Mad- Get Even.;)

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I wouldn't have believed any of today's revelations a week ago ....

While evidence builds concerning stuff which we would all see as immoral, and FA/FL regulations may well have been broken, I'm not sure anything will prove to have been illegal. Give us your money they said, and we did (some more than others). It'll all be all right, they said, and it isn't. But begging and lying aren't crimes As far as I know. Not sure when confidence tricks tip over into illegality.

I'm not going to be holding my breath waiting for the boys in blue to nick the bad guys. (Mods please note that does not mean I'm advocating any form of direct action!)

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<LI minmax_bound="true">Accrington Stanley PFA cash 'could be too late' <LI minmax_bound="true">Coleman: I’ve never considered quitting Accrington Stanley These are related links from todays LET,Like the revalations and posts on this thread i am at a loss and can't come to terms with what is happening to our Great CLUB.:mad::mad::mad:.I would like to thank Ilyas for all hes doing for the club and thank him for his kind payment of £110k to help pay the tax bill,What the hell do our Board and who ever OWNS/CHIRMAN think their doing with our club.As a season ticket holder like others have put my HARD erned money in to this club inadvance i might add and like others have donated money to the SOSfund YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to treat us the SUPPORTERS the TRUE FANS like this..sorry for ranting but its maddening

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I was just wondering what kenny254 was feeling now? He's been watching but kept rather quiet.:confused:

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Gone back under his Stone UK;):D

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I spoke to a colleague at the weekend who is on the supporters' trust committee that is the majority shareholder at and oversees the running Exeter City. He stated categorically that any PFA money loaned to any football club is for players' wages only and cannot be used for any other purpose.

I was very surprised when I read on here that money from the PFA was going to be used to pay a tax bill, which is why I checked.

Exeter City, prior to it being trust owned, had borrowed money from the PFA and was put under a transfer embargo at the time. Once the money was repaid, the embargo was lifted.

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It's funny, but that's not what they say here in Chester about the club! :cool:

I'm reading this thread feeling sick to the stomach; Ilyas is obviously a very honourable man, and that's why he's having such a hard time with the charlatans and hucksters who are dragging our great club down.

Stanley till I die...

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as what was said in court is in the public domain i believe, then the lying has gone public, if thats the case.:rolleyes:

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It's okay I was being sarcastic. :)

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Fuming.


Also, I am now aware that no League money is to come in. Apparently the league money was used to repay the original PFA money, which in turn means that players wages for a few months were paid not by the club but by the PFA, which in turn begs the question "what happened to all that cashflow from operations if not to pay for wages". there is also the small matter of what happened to the oxford professor and ASSF loan that we had originally heard had been used for "tax payments" and when that turned out not to be true we were told it was for "operational purposes".



Its all about proof but I reckon it dosent take albert einstein to work this one out does it. Everything seems to becoming clear and the conspiraces are not far from the truth. Who counted and was in charge of all the money coming in through the SOS fund raising????????????? I bet theres a shortfall there aswell. The truth will out and people have had a lot of certain little and big issues about the money in and out for years. I know its not the time but the attendance figures????????????

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131 viewers on accy stanley forum and speechless silence speaks volumes!

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Very true Katei, I think we are all waiting for the latest update from Ilyas............I know I am!

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I am absolutely gobsmacked by what I've just read in this thread. Unbelievable.

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will we have a club on sat day so we can demo at in front of tv

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in just lost for words UKC

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I am trying to keep calm though my blood is boiling big time. Just hoping it all comes good in the end and that this is not the start of something worse.

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I don't think D'On took the job because of the ego rush from being the chairman, the way he's acted doesn't suggest it. At the fans forum he was quick to stop any praise going his way and shook his head when the ultra's were singing his name at the Burnley game. I've got the feeling he's been acting under duress.

Just got to say Mr.Khan thankyou for everything you're doing. Thank you.

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A club statement would be most appreciated and appropiate but were not that naive are we ? it looks like its plan x time and mr khan and mr marsden seem to be thwarting the efforts of the @@@@@ previous efforts to kill asfc. But they have another plan up there dirty sleeves and unless the gift of payments become ridiculous sums I fear for asfc. They have taken the **** out of everyone messrs khan and marsden aswell, all the hard working donaters and lancashire folk in general and the media. LIES LIES LIES. How much do they want for the name? because if we get through this the next sos should be to buy the club off them.

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all this dose not surpise me the plot thickens very worrying can and should the football leauge investagate this stinks of fraud and corroption mr o neil etc bringing our beloved game into disrepute :eek:

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the fishys been updated today, but no comment about this, wonder is the organ grinder pulling the strings in the background?

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****e ****e ****e

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Couldn't have put it better myself! :eek:

Thanks again to Ilyas for his continued sterling efforts.:mosher:

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Absolute ****ing joke.

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My 2p worth....

I am sick to the stomach, spent an hour on the phone to Roy Humphreys, half hour to Loweiy & also spoke to ken & John Timmins.

We all have thoeries & sound bites but to a man, we are all bewildered....

David.... Tell us the truth NOW!

The rest of the directors.... Have some balls & make him see sense

Illyas & Peter.... please can you just NOT give up the fight for honesty & justice at the Crown Ground. You really are our ONLY long term hope.

Rob.... Please keep the fans in the loop

I am as committed an ASFC as anyone but seriously seriously seriously, comtempleting boycotting till something changes. You can only be bent over & ******* so much, by the club you love without making a stand.

My stand may be the biggest wrench of all.... but seriously think it will be the ONLY way to get through to them

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Willie whilst I sympathise with you I think boycotting the club will not work and only put the club in more sh*te. The club needs every penny to at least start afresh after the shambles has cleared from this disaster.

I do echo your sentiments for Rob to keep the fans, Ilyas and Peter in the loop and help them find a successful solution to this sorry saga.

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Away from the off the field activities, if we see through the next few days

It may be worth remembering that the Players & Management need our support on the field, The next three home games can go a long way to shaping our season and potentially future destiny with an:

FA Cup 1st Round Game against Salisbury City where we are the giants, a cup run brings it's own gains

Johnstone's Paint QTR. Final against Bury that if we were to win puts us one game away from a two legged final with a Wembley appearance for the Winners

Daggers at home in the league that could push us back into the Top Half

The team needs our support:)

What you do prior to the games, at half-time & full-time is down to you:eek:

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Here here that statement

Im not even goin to start to comment about those pricks that call themselves board members, if the club dies, they might aswell start thinkin about moving far away

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Google Page Ranking would you really want this current regime to profit from any cup run?

BBC interviews, posh meals out at Old Trafford " Hi I am David , the owner!"

Bah humbug!

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Agree wi yer sentiments Willie, but like outback honestly think a boycott is not a good move, coley n team as well as financial matters need our support n deserve it, how they have accredited those points whilst all this crap goes on, not getting paid on time n played great IMHO, if yer barracking the other clowns, i will be with ya 100%, but don't let coley n team suffer, victims same as us i think.;)

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In short no I was not trying to empahaise that point, sorry if it came across like that:o

I suppose the point I was trying to make is none of this is the Management or Players fault

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Read this ;-http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f93/monday-10pm-50240.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...0pm-50240.html

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Yeah I am sure I will be there, but still think the only way for change is a drastic fan action.... They will feel it in the pocket

How about not paying & backing the players from behind the Whiiney Hill bus shelter?

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Definitely with Cashy on this one. Given that the media seem properly on to this now, any money that comes in now really can't go anywhere other than on wages, taxes, running costs and debt repayment - and if we are to continue to exist we need to do those things, whoever's signing the cheques. Dividends, directors' expenses or any other ways of getting money out to individuals would surely legally be fraud under the present circumstances.

If the Ultras give up on the team by withdrawing support, that really would be the end. Please don't!!

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You could always pay the entrance money direct to the players rep :)

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think that we can discuss stuff like that if we still got a club after wednesday.:eek:

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The fans have acted with the greatest dignity throughout this mess. I dont think too many other boards would be getting as much silenced anger. I agree with the continued backing of jc,jb and his players but I think not enough pressure has been applied for the truth and now it maybe too late. Keep the faith - in what? who?

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I agree....

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The only Assumption(sorry Ilyas) I can come to on this is that the powers (51%) that be WANT asfc to be wound up asap. No one will spend time and money investigating the accounts of a failed league 2 football club.