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So thats stop with the winging about the clubshop and clubhouse! Weve got a good enough board now who will sort these issues out, it will just take time! Lets leave it to them to sort out as eventually it will be done and things will move forward!! But this will be step by step like the kit coming out etc.

Lets start planning for Leeds away and thinking about our next game with Bradford away! Lets support the team and the board like we have never done before!! Our team are performing amazing and we have one of the best managers in the country! This is one of the best times to be a stanley fans, so lets not waste it moaning :)


ASFC WILL ALWAYS BE
IN MY HEART AND DEAR TO ME
RED AND WHITE
DAY AND NIGHT
IM STANLEY TILL I DIE!!!!

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i agree, reflect on how far we have come since the days of Stocksbridge PS & Hucknall Town

This is the best we have ever had it (Thanks to Illyas Khan & Peter Marsden)

Savour the moment people

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I think its more in line with wishful thinking or what would you do if? etc etc

Dave and Rob might have some ideas on things they'd like to do but Ilyas will be a little fresher on what things might need doing. I personally think that employing a club steward who can add thousands of pounds a week to the income streams is more important than pursuing this ridiculous share issue ... just ideas people

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I understand the sentiment FC, but we are a Professional Football Club and as such attract the paying public who if there are problems have a right to a voice.

Things as you point out will I am sure get better and will take time but do the simple stuff now and see what dividends it brings?

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Most of the criticism regarding the clubhouse/club shop/ground facilities is constructive. Keep it going, I say.

Supporting the football and coming together to pool ideas to aid the professional aspect (and therefore long term prosperity) of the club are both duties of the fan of a community FC; certainly not separate entities where only one be entertained at once.

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Well said Pendle Red and shakermaker. Those coming through the turnstiles are not only fans and supporters but also paying customers who we want to come again. Quite a few things mentioned call for somebody to pay attention to detail and wouldn't cost a penny.

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get to grips with is then ive been do work at the club on and off for week this . week all the boadroom as had a paint job plus the over room bye a decortor not me . i was the to day to block up a door way in the boradroom and move a fire and fire places. so they are doing what they can at the min . with not a lot of funds at the min . i do wish the club shop was man part time better than not at all.

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What!!!!!!

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I think what Grimps said (he has problems spelling) is that he and others have been at the ground over the last few weeks helping out with the seats (thanks macca for the bolts etc) and general mtc, also the sports bar the gazelle lounge and the board room have all had a lick of paint.

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Good on yer grimps, and all others who help out.
It's easy for me to say as I'm down amongst the heathen on missionary service but I'd hope the new regime is more welcoming to people who offer to help rather than, as did happen in the past, regarding them as fools to be abused.
There must be quite a few folk who would help out on a voluntary basis, or for a modest recompense, but it needs respect and a bit of organisation from within the club to make the most of the goodwill that is out there.
From what I've read elsewhere, this is now nearer to the type of club we all thought it was.
Give that man with the paintbrush a medal .

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That's certainly what we hope. But let's remember that time is not necessarily on our side. We know that our attendances are not good enough and that we MUST develop new revenue streams. The shop and the club house are obvious ways to increase our income. We cannot rely on Ilyas' generosity to bale us out of every debt. We simply have to move towards increased self-sufficiency - and quickly.

With the new regime in place, we have momentum for change. We must keep that momentum. If we don't, we will revert to that old Stanley characteristic of inertia.

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The club is where it is at today through people giving their time FOC. glad to see it's coming back. Spelling excused.

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I havent been criticising, all my comments have been constructive, in an attempt to help the club.

I personally believe sorting out the merchandise/ shop is the easiest and quickest way to generate more income.

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Its not that i see constructive comments as moaning but when you go on a forum and people are complaining about the clubshop not being open when they went or the club shop not having what they want etc it just anoys.

Constructive ideas like Shaker has said and what i agree with helps move the club forward and always has done but the petty moaning about little things wrong are just pathetic with what we have just been through recently. Fair enough people have their own views on things and rightly so as they pay their money through the gates however so do i, so i also have my view!..and this is my view!

Theres a difference between ideas and moaning and for some reason theres alot of moaning on this forum! Shouldnt we be still be happy and celebrating that we still have a club, who cares if the beer tastes awful in the clubhouse, who cares if the club shop didnt have a xl t-shirt in stock!, lets get behind the club and realise things are going to be perfect! For e.g , if the clubshop wasnt open today then why not try tomorrow, if they didnt have a shirt they wanted in your size why not try at a different time! Instead of coming on here and complaining about it all!

Ideas are great, petty moaning about little stuff is just rediculous. Everythings never going to be perfect on our budget and as a football league two club!

Onwards and Upwards!....but in time :).

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Spot on fc.......... ;) ;) :)

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The thread title is correct... however there's nowt wrong with aiming for it ;)

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I would like, respectfully, to say something on this thread please.

Given where we have all come from, and the experiences we have had, I believe that open dialogue is essential. Criticism, ideas, complaints, etc are to be welcomed.

My approach and belief here is that as a community club, we owe it to you all (fans, volunteers, neighbours, squad) to be the ones to make the steps to address issues. I therefore absolutely believe that if we can be open to and aware of the ideas (even if we might on occasion not agree), then we are more likely to improve. Things will take a long time before they get to the point where all the positives add up to the thing that matters most - a winning team, a strong squad, a healthy bank account and a healthy crowd.

So, from my point, i encourage all this feedback. we dont always need to agree, but you can be sure that i will not react immaturely or badly to criticism. if on occasion someone goes too far, or is being unfair, then i am sure they will find out !

thanks and sorry for trespassing on this thread.

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I've not been on this forum for quite a while,grimps,stanley convert and myself are the only volunteers that have turned up over the last 7 or 8 weeks.Although the club asked if anyone could spare a few hours to help out at the club apart from the regular 2 or 3 who are there all the time we were the only ones who answered the call to help.I'm the man with the paint brush and thanks for recommending me for a medal but i did it to help the club so i'll pass on the medal.And just let me add that David O'neill payed for the paint etc out of his own pocket,give the guy a break,he's a decent guy.That's my opinion of Mr O'neill,most of you won't agree but i stick by what i've said,a lot of credit should go to grimps and stanley convert who have done 90% of the work on the seating etc,even i've pitched in with different aspects around the ground.I was asked by David if i would decorate the clubhouse,the gazelle lounge and the board room,i have and i hope the fans like it.Probably won't come the forum again so i hope everyone enjoys the facilities and Stanley have a good season.

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Nice to have you back my friend, after doing all you have done, I think it is time you came back to the Clayton End and see what you have been missing :) Starting next Tuesday against Macc.

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sorry Lee I disagree. I'll dissect the post and it will sound petty in places but it kinda proves the points made by the various people who you think are moaning

its the most 'popular' forum and in every walk of life there is more moaning than praising - its just how it is. The trick is in trying to embrace the negativety and turn it around into a positive. The only people who can do that are club officials. Ignore the criticism and it gets louder - acknowledge it and the shouting fades to a dull roar

we are.

me for one, its rank and many, many people have voted with their feet. For my part I have changed my drink to at least try to work around the people. but a lot won't. Should we keep quiet and stay away?

the people who didn't get what they wanted!


its been shut for months! Most of us on here realise that you can just walk into reception and someone will take you through. But visiting people wont realise that and wont come back tomorrow.

there's no need to come on here and mention it but for the same reasons as above you might not be able to try a different time. Occasionally I have had an excess one week and gone into the shop to try to buy something. I'd end up just chatting to Lee instead because there was nothing in stock, he'd say that something was coming back in next week but by next week I wont have the surplus money. You've got to be in a position to take the money whilst they have it

you gotta take the wheat with the chaff matey! People get frustrated with the same problems over and over and over again. When the time comes that people stop whinging on here or in the pub then we have a problem - it means they are past caring. Posters on this forum change all the time. The people who are regular posters now might not have been 18 months ago, where are the regular posters from then? Sometimes you just give up on posting, or give up on Stanley?

best part of your post Lee :D. As you say in the thread title, things never will be perfect, but we can always strive for it! We all want what is best for the club and we all have ideas on how to acheive this - its just a good job that we dont all get chance to do it!

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valairian hes been back for the last 4 games . then he miss the daggars game . im trying to get him to come to bra

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bradford

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I'll probably get told off for being pedantic but I would suggest the club has had hundreds of volunteers over the past 7 or 8 weeks :rolleyes:

Out of curioisty when did the club ask for volunteers to spare a few hours. Was it something in the match programme ?

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I've been at the club on and off for the last 7/8 weeks along with grimps and stanley convert,so if there were hundreds of volunteers then where were they.I can assure you there wasn't so how did you come to the conclusion that there were that many volunteers (were you there)obviously not or you would have seen for yourself.

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Help requested - club by stanleymad :D

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:) Nice to see you back Afrikaaner please stick around :)

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I didn't say the volunteers were all at the club . I was referring to the fact many people have given there time in other ways. The collection buckets didn't travel around the various locations on their own etc etc :)

I assumed that was a one off and had been done.:o

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Thanks my friend,i've been on the clayton end for the last 4 out of five games but missed daggers because of the fuhrer giving me the job of decorating our bloody bungalowlol!.I enjoyed helping the club out and still want them to do well,but alas i don't think i'll be back on again albiet maybe occasionally.Theres no point in me posting on here because i'm not a fan of a certain person connected with the club and never will be,i will continue to get to some games and wish the team all the success they deserve for what the club has gone through,and i will get to have that pint with you mr V.

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I know there were plenty of people who volunteered to carry collection buckets at various grounds and they are to be commended for their efforts in helping asfc in it's hour of need.I was refering to the request for people to give a few hours a week to help within the ground,with all respect dave you should read the post i put on properly before you reply.No wonder i stopped posting on here.

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Don't let me stop you posting, I can quite happily stay away :).. I always thought you had stopped posting because you didn't like the management duo at the club. Good to see they won you over :)

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Thankyou Mab,i only came back on to see that grimps and stanley convert and the couple of regular volunteers that are at stanley day in day out got the recognition that they deserve.Their efforts are to be commended,but alas i won't be posting very often as nothing seems to have changed with various people.Nice to talk to you again and if i'm ever in the clubhouse and you're in there i'll gladly have a pint with you my friend,i wish stanley all the success in the world and i will continue to help out at the ground whenever i can.

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I never said they had won me over,but if they do the business for the club i will hold my hands up and admit i was wrong,there is still a long way to go and even i admit they have coped well under all the pressure they were under with the internal problems at the club.I actually stopped posting because of the attitudes of other people on this forum who couldn't or wouldn't discuss various topics without twisting everything that was printed.Don't stop posting on my account,it's supposed to be a open forum but i don't seem to fit into that criteria,hence my departure once again.

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A couple of regular volunteers ? ? ? Thanks goes to all those that do help the club in many ways that DONT SHOUT FROM THE RAFTERS about everything they volunteer to help the club however small or large! Seems only a few people do owt for the club so far on this thread, i know many lads and lass's do their bit for nowt too.

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Back to the intended topic i do agree with macca's response if complaints arm't heard then no improvement happens and know from experience that U have to badger the club quite a lot of keep coming backs and coming away disappointed and thats even offering the club solutions.

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Is it not the whole idea of a forum like this, people have an opinion. No point you leaving em to it if you disagree,if you're opinion is not agreed by the majority doesn't mean you have to stay away. I'm in a minority of one on here because I think Burnley are better than Stanley :D

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It was always my opinion that if you had an opinion which might well be an opinion about someone else's opinion, or even an opinion which was your opinion in the first place. That, on our forum you posted that opinion in the hope that someone would either agree with your opinion, or conversely disagree with your opinion, which was really only an opinion to start with .
Now if someone does happen to disagree with your opinion, even if that opinion is based on informed opinion, or even an opinion in which there is consensual agreement, then they are , in my opinion, quite in order to state their particular opinion even if that opinion is .......ZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZ !

In my opinion no one should stop posting their thoughts ( and opinions !) on our Forum...If they did then the rest of us would have nothing to read about
the Football Club which we all love...and from this to either form new, or perhaps adjust existing opinions, thus developing a keener sense of our own situation in the world of Accrington Stanley.

Keep 'em coming lads !! and 'ON STANLEY !!...ON !!.

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yonmon you are incorrigible - but sound in thought and word!

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thats pathetic afrikaaner, many disagree wi many of my postings, So What? i just say it as i see it, if folk disagree, there entitled too, why sod off yer opinion is just as valid as anyones,people disagree on all forums, i met quite a few now who have much different opinion to me, dont stop us gettin on though.:confused:

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everyone seems so opinonated lately

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I agree in essence FC, that it is strange that the more succesfull we become, the more determined people seem to moan. Surely one of the strangest paradoxes in football.

However....I also firmly believe that the people who give their hard earned are entitled to their opinion, and theres no harm in constructive criticism.

Ouch...Its painfull up here on this fence ;)

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So if i travel over to the club shop from clitheroe and find it shut i shouldnt be sightly peed?or when family order goods online for the kids and they have to wait 3/4weeks for delivered they shouldnt be peed?

that is moaning

but suggesting the club get a database of fans who are willing to man the club shop and do a rota so it is open set hours,making it clear when the shop is open on the shop door and fishy site and ensuring all online orders are sent out within 5working days,if items are out of stock a simple email with EDD

asking if the licencee of the club house who is responsible for the over all running of the bar health and hygiene,health and safety and public liability is full filling their duty as many fans do not use the clubhouse or that it seems unkept,beer isnt to the liking of bulk of fans etc....is not moaning its pointing out to the powers that be that people are not happy with the club house and hence wont use it,especially with other pubs within walking distance

Suggesting if the licencee of the club house goes on british innkeeping course to ensured they are fully trained,up to date with all new laws/regs surrounding the pub/club trade,that they have the business know how to ensure all points of income are covered etc....

is not moaning its suggesting

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good post