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Should have been passed that by now, in the last 2 games!!!

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Could have been anyone in the box for the winner. Just took a nick beyond Bavs. Could have been Kempson, could have been John-Lewis.

A real kick in the nuts folks.

To sum up, made to pay for not getting the second goal. Proc hit the bar first half, Symes had two great chances second half.

Really disappointing...

Will try to give you an idea of the Coleman mood shortly - reckon you can guess though!

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I was going to console myself with a prediction lague win until the last minute ....

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Is it 4 points for a win now? :confused: :D

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we all love john coleman
BUT
and i and many others have said it for a few years now

He hates squad rotation.
According to the BBC reports, we looked knackered towards the end.

No rotation, no subs - the Macc game was enough evidence to encourge coleman to change it but he obviousy doenst rate those on the bench or thinks the starting 11 are fit enough.

Losing to 2 late goals will take alot out of the players mentally.

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No effing subs? Wtf????????????

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If Coley does have an achilles heel then subs are it

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Well put that man, it was easy to see from Dans post that we were under pressure - I know it is easy for me to say sitting at home - and no subs, as you also said Macc???? That is 5 points lost in two games - sorry but it is how I feel! What is wrong with Kee, Turner, King, anything to freshen it up!!!

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Bradford up next - wasn't that 3 late goals???

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I know where you are coming from mate, but he is still the Football Genius! :)

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Yeah, but that was after Coley subbed Jimmy Ryan, our best player on the pitch. Must have scarred him (Coley) mentally. Seriously, though, no changes in the starting 11 from Macc is questionable, but no subs to counter Lincoln's 3 is unbelievable.:(

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We still have to play a few of the teams in and around us, so all is not lost but the last two games on paper should have been at least a four point haul.

The other side of the coin is for the lads on the bench is they must be wondering what they have to do to get a game?

It is now a big big test of not just how the players respond but how the management respond they have to pick this team up and dust them down for Two very BIG home games where realistically nothing short of six points will do to keep us in the mix!

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Cannot see how Milesy or McConville could have justified starting after not just Macc, but others recently, if others are not fit to play then why are they on the bench, or in the squad??? :confused: :)

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That is what I am worried about! Should have been 6 points to be honest and if he changes things at the weekend, it will be against much tougher opposition than Macc or Imps!!!

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Maybe Dan could pose the question about subs?

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Braver man than me if he does!!! :eek: :)

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Mr Coleman was, to put not too fine a point on it, livid... His opening line was "I feel physically sick"

the winner was a Kempson OG confirmed. Coley slammed the defending and the lack of concentration in the closing stages.

Stanley were by far the better side tonight. Unbelievable result.

I'm off now. Thanks

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when ya take into account a knackered side n no substiutions, he aint the only one who feels physically sick.:(

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Just got back from the game and I'm sitting here in a state of shock. We were so, so much better than Lincoln and really should have been home and dry before they scored. Even Lincoln's manager said they were fortunate to win on local radio just after the game had finished, as did the Lincoln fans I travelled to the game with. Ultras were fantastic again.

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[quote=Dan;788527]
the winner was a Kempson OG confirmed. Coley slammed the defending and the lack of concentration in the closing stages.

With fresh subs on keeping the ball up at t'other end of the pitch we wouldn't have had so much need of concentration in the defence, or am I missing something? I'm still convinced a couple of earlier subs at Macc would probably have got us the win. Wasn't there tonight but my gut feeling is that we've thrown points away in these last two games through poor use of resources.

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Stanley was robbed.

Thank you to all the lads and lasses who made us feel welcome we really enjoyed it. Such a shame them nobheads from Lincoln ruined it, did the coach get away safely after the bricks hurlded at it?...

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Better to be robbed than be thrashed.

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true sam, better to gain summat than lose though.:rolleyes:

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Just back and after having me hot chocolate I too am still feeling shell shocked - can't believe we lost tonight - Lincoln only played for the last 10 minutes and we'd had enough chances to finish the game before that.
Also would just like to thank the Lincoln chavs who threw bricks at our coach as we were leaving, damaging two windows enough that we had to wait for them to be made safe before we could continue home, our journey was delayed by at least half an hour because of them - can only imagine what they would have done if we'd won!

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Just got in after a long drive and what a cock up tonight. No changes and McConville and Miles again were very poor. No pace, no defence and no balls into the box. What the hell they doing starting games. Kempo unlucky to score OG and Edwards his usual battling performance but why no substitutions at least after 60 mins played when we were crying out for fresh legs. IMHO Lincoln were the worse footballing side I have ever seen and we should have taken them to the cleaners. Time to shuffle the pack I would say. With Kee King and Turner there are options for a change before its too late. Play offs are going out of reach and 1 point from possible 9 aint good. Fans deserve better.

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Well just got back in bed after a horrible horrible journey home.

Battered em for 80 minutes but yet again we come away with nothing, its sounding and looking like the old stanley at the moment.

Why oh why he didnt bring on Kee, Turner or King is beyond me.
Miles & Mcconville yet again NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

Getting our coach windows smashed by idiot Lincoln supporters does not help either, absolute morons.

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Coleman seems to struggle on the tactical substitution side of things. A big test for us on Saturday, we will need to take our chances if we are to get anything out of the game. On a more positive note, we wont be relegated, we will still be here next season, and hopefully learn from our mistakes both on and off the field. I think we may make some extra cash on the sale of one or two of our players. So lets get it on.

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Don't worry no doubt the idiots of Grimsby will sort the pricks from Lincoln out this saturday... Thanks to the lad who drove us around then to our car once the chavs had gone, very very much appreciated.

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Driving home from the game at Northampton last week was bearable because we had been beaten by a good team. Driving home from Lincoln last night was terrible because we had been beaten by the worst team that I have seen this season. When we went one up it seemed to be a case of how many we would win by, but not to be. We seemed to sit back in the second half and messed about passing the ball to each other without getting anywhere. Why McConville is playing is beyond me (maybe it is because of Uncle Jimmy). He seems to be the latest in a line of "Super Sean Wingers" We have had Sean Doherty, Sean Whalley and now Sean McConville. I use the term 'winger' loosley. You will never see McConville on the wing, he is either standing about or dancing in the centre circle. He never gets involved and on the rare occasion he gets the ball he is pushed off it. In the last three games it will be lucky if he has touched the ball a dozen times. Why is he playing when we have Turner, Kee and King on the bench. Miles is a shadow of how he was earlier in the season, and as for recalling Dunbavin well that is beyond me. The defence have no confidence in him at all. I believe he told Coley that if he didn't get first team football he would have to leave. Well I would like to see a list of the clubs queuing up for his signature. Probably Burscough, Marine, or at best Sligo. Billy Kee has been his best when used as a sub on the wing, so what does Coley do against Northampton and Macc, he brings him on and puts him through the middle and moves Bobby Grant to the wing. Last night Lincoln were terrible, their centre half went off injured and they brought on 35 year old Ian Pearce who seemed slow and over weight. What did we do - nothing. Lincoln equalised and what did we do - nothing. Lincoln went in front and what did we do - nothing. No substitutes or anything. Coley has done and is doing a good job at Stanley, but sometimes his tactics, his tinkering with the team and his lack of substitutions is beyond me. Let's hope that we get it together on Saturday. One point from the last three games is not good enough. Rant over.

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Good post Jeff

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The lack of substitutes absolutely baffles me.

I can understand not using them if we are leading a tight game 1-0 but then to see Lincoln equalise and still do nothing is beyond me.

Chris Sutton made 2 changes in the 2nd half and they both changed the game. Simple as that.

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In the last 10mins EVERY Stanley player looked nakered, so why didn't he do 3 changes :confused: DOH! Thanks, now Grimsby have got a mountain to climb:(

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The subs needed to be made before the first whistle :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :)

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I agree.

He MUST change it on Saturday simple as.

My team would be.......

Bouzanis
Lees
Flynn
Kempson
Edwards
Ryan
Proctor
Turner
Joyce (if Fit)
Grant
Symes

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Only problem Smudgie - and I have posted this already - it is a thin line between making changes and making too many changes :confused: The changes should have been made for Macc and Imps - more winnable games in all honesty - not for Bantams, who regardless of their League position, will be a much sterner test!!! Just my opinion :)

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i would go with Smudgies team personally, theres 2/3 aint been cutting it fer weeks now imho, n if that continues bradford will stuff us i fear.:eek:

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Maybe my team is abit drastic but Miles & Mcconville MUST be on the bench.

Simple as

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Is it only me that thinks Phil Edwards needs a rest? Really looks as if he's playing through a lot of pain at the minute. Obviously a difficult decision to make as he's our best player but perhaps one game missed could do him the world of good for the rest of the season. Too often players have played through injuries and it's seriously hampered them in the future (Richardson & Cavanagh spring to mind).

My starting xi for Bradford would be Bouzanis, Lees, Kempson, Winnard, Murphy, Ryan, Joyce, Procter, Grant, Symes, Kee. Subs: Bavs, Flynn, Edwards, Mullin, Miles, McConville, King.

Watch Coley make zero changes and Stanley win Bradford 5-0 now... :D

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bloody hell shaker weres Turner?:confused::confused::confused:

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I was thinking the same Cashman.

Turner needs to start or he will off at the end of season without a doubt...... with the shrimpers his destination. :(

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Forgetfulness is just one of three million reasons why I'm not manager of Accrington Stanley FC... Chris isn't match fit yet is he? Drop King from the bench and put that boy Chris Turner on it. A fully fit Chris Turner would still be competing with Jimmy Ryan for a first team slot.

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Turner was on the bench again last night but never came on :(

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Have Southend been watching Turner?

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Theres a few been after him aparently

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well if Southend have been watching him they have not seen much. He has hardly been used all season. I agree that he should have a start, even if coley gives him half a game.

my starting line up would be:

Boozer
winnard kempson edwards lees
miles proctor ryan turner
grant symes

subs: dunbavin, flyn, mconville, mullin, joyce, murphy, king

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way i see things shaker,if turner aint fit,should not be on bench, simple as, if turners fit should be in first team.

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I agree with you cashman.

And how people can have Miles in there team is beyond me

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Agree with all JEFFs comments above if "Uncle Jimmy" wasnt assistant manager McConville would not be playing league football. He aint good enough. Simple as. How many more chances is he going to have costing us wins. With Kee King and Turner there are options.

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Dunno about that. The way I see it Chris needs to regain match fitness by making more cameo appearances, then once he's good to go it's about him versus Jimmy Ryan/Luke Joyce for a starting spot. Chris is a great talent and a different option for our midfield but I'm not convinced that he should walk into the side with the options we have this season.

McConville is struggling and playing poorly of late, but on occasion he does show great promise. That cross for Paul Mullin versus Walsall, the performance he put in against Rochdale away... he's no duffer.

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no hes no duffer but thats 2 decent games in 20 mate, not good enough for me.

Maybe hes 1 for the future and may come through next season like Bobby Grant has.

And how Turner can compete with Ryan?????

They are different types of players and both should be in the starting XI

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I'm sure there are more examples than those two :)

I think we've got to remember that Sean's come through from non-league at a very young age and this is a tough league. Not every player can come from nowhere and do a Gary Roberts. This stuff about him being picked because he's Jimmy's nephew is embarassing. He's a young lad finding it tough but the quality is there and I think we'll see it develop in time.

Jimmy Ryan plays on the right more often than not to accommodate Joyce and Procter in the middle. We lose a lot when Joyce is out of the side and that's why Turner will be competing with Ryan for a start.

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Sorry Smudgie, I may not have put it across properly, I do not disagree, all I am saying is we should have looked at this in earlier games, that is all!! :) I fear that too much change on Saturday will be a problem!

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I think Sean will go on to have a decent career at Stanley unfortunately that time is just not yet, it will come but sticking with the same old eleven is now costing us points.


If Chris is anywhere near fit play the lad the only way you get match fit is to play matches, we don't have huge fixture list of reserve game to get the edge back to peoples game's.

I personally would even look at putting Granty back on the left which is his natural position with a licence to bomb on and support Symes maybe as a lone striker or push Billy up with Symes.

I would even contemplate five across midfield with Joyce if he is fit in behind as a sweeper with a back three intead of four.

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I agree, it is embarassing, but only because it seems to be the only reason he keeps his place after a string of very poor performances. Poor old Gary King has not been indulged like this at all. After a good, goal-scoring appearance away at Grimsby he was dropped and has hardly had a look in since, apart from the Northampton game, a real tuffie on a night when the whole team was outplayed. Coley says this is the best squad we have ever had, but you would never know it from the way he plays the favourites to exhaustion. Even Wayne Rooney is rested from time to time.

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well put redraine

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ya only get cameo appearances if coley wakes up n smells the coffee.:rolleyes: last night n many others fer instance, McConville i agree is playing crap,as miles is at the moment,but miles is "always" more likely to pop up wi summat IMHO. its not about turner walking into the side as seems to me no buggar can do that, so yer wasting yer breath talking about our options if they aint used.:confused:

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I wasn't at last night's game but I have re-read Dan's comments and it confirmed what I thought at the time, namely that the threats were mainly coming from deliveries by John Miles. I agree with Cashy that he should keep his place - IF he is fully fit, and I'm not sure that he is. He is the one who is able to slide the ball through the channels for Bobbie Grant and Michael Symes to run on to. I've been looking through some of the video highlights and it's interesting to see how many goals he has in fact set up.

He isn't the Jimmy Ryan terrier type, nor the Proccy cover-every-blade-of-grass type but I'm convinced he is the one with vision who can create a chance from very little.

Just my opinion!

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I think we'd all agree that the team cannot afford to carry passengers through games.:o

Miles has been pedestrian, at best, from what I've seen of him lately and if reports from those who went last night are to be believed and McConville still has an awful lot to learn. Like others have said, he's probably one for the future and maybe we'll see him in a better light next season, when hopefully he will have "filled out" a little (i.e. making him not as easy to muscle off the ball)and learned from his experiences from this season.

For my money,like others have said, Coley has to give Turner some game time.Whether it's the cameo role others have suggested, or a start and play him for an hour, then sub him. Turner has already shown undoubted potential and the lad has shown he's not afraid to "put a shift in"..... Better to play someone with that attitude, fully fit or not, than carry a passenger.

As for Dunbavin....why has Coley dropped Boozer??? on the strength of a mistake or two at Northampton ??? As has been said earlier, defenders always play better when they have confidence that there is a decent keeper behind them. In my opinion, Dunbavin doesn't fit into that equation.

Id start the Bradford game with the following: (4-5-1)

Boozer
Lees Kempson Edwards Winnard

Grant Ryan Joyce ( if fit ) Proctor Turner

Symes.

With Grant and Turner on the flanks and pushing forward, it'd effectively be playing 4-3-3 when going forward.

Drop McConville & Miles to the bench. Maybe giving both time to warm the wood (so to speak!! )and reflect on their recent performances, it might make 'em a bit hungrier???:confused:

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Swap Grant & Turner for their correct wings and that looks a winner to me :D

Im assuming Bouza was dropped for letting in 4 at Northampton. Obviously the 1st goal was very soft and does go down as a mistake, but it really would have been a rugby score if it wasnt for him in the first half.

So he gets 1 mistake and hes out, yet Miles & Mcconville seem to put in sub standard performances every week and still seem to play. 1 rule for him and 1 for another at the moment.

Maybe Turner isnt quite match fit yet, if so then fair enough have him on the bench but I think thats about 10 matches now he has been back on the bench and his total game time is about 7 minutes :(

Very disappointing to say the least.

Fingers crossed we bounce back on Saturday, but with Peter Taylor now running the show its going to be very difficult to say the least.

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It's all about Balls

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only 1 way to get turner match fit if he aint n thats matches, also think McConville has more chance of progressing if used as a sub, it sure didn't do bobby grant any harm.

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Tons of time left yet for at least the play offs. Get your chins up :)

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quite agree dave, though wins breed confidence in teams, a losing streak can do the opposite, so summat on sat is vital imho.

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Hey im just greatful we have a club Dave after the nightmare of the early season.

Its just massively disappointing when we spend our hard earned money, (especially going away) and knowing we can be a top 3 side on our day.

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If Turner isnt fit or is still carrying an injury there are other options. King could play on the wing, he has for the reserves and has shown promise and scored too. He had one bad half and was brought off. Should do that a bit more with other players if they arent performing but it doesnt happen.

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"think we've got to remember that Sean's come through from non-league at a very young age and this is a tough league. Not every player can come from nowhere and do a Gary Roberts. " Shakermakers comments

Very true he is a young lad but maybe he should have time to develop in the reserves or as a sub until he grows in strength and then he can show us what he can do not at a cost to the team at the moment. He doesnt look as though he is ready for it yet!

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Defeat & Dropping points is far easier to take if the effort and commitment is there in the first place

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Correct fer the fans,just hope same principle applies to the team.:confused:

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:)From the offical web site!! Accrington stanley:) Match Reaction
Thursday 18th Feb 2010
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Coleman frustrated at defeat
John Coleman admitted that he felt “let down” by his players after their last-gasp defeat at Lincoln on Tuesday. Full Story Here >>

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well much as i like coley, think he is being unfair on the team by saying he feels let down by em! fer my money a team that plays the opposition off the park fer biggest part of game n then tired legs set in, where actually let down by Coley, by him not putting fresh legs on the pitch, sorry if that upsets a few, but simple fact is thats how i see it.:(

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I was at Anfield last night and watched Riera & Aquailana struggle out on the flanks for most of the game maybe it is a Redmen syndrome:eek:

But to emphasise the point I think we are getting at once Riera was replaced by Babel the whole mood changed of the crowd and team as there seemed to be a change in tempo and expectation levels went up, attacking options changed and this was further empathsised when Aquailana was subbed for Pacheco which a few minutes later led to the goal despite the best attempts of ten men behind the ball.:)

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Tuesday nights goals from the BBC sport web page..BBC Sport - Football - League Two round-up nice shot of the stanley fans :)

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Well, we can always ignore the result and try spotting mistakes in the commentary. :)

Nice header from Paul Mullin, though.

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Cheers Mab :)