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Planning application has gone in for moving the control room, but it still does not seem to be a permanent solution.

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where is the new stand in this?

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Probably in your dreams

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I was sure Rob Heys had said that as soon as the season ended, the club were embarking on a complete redevelopment of the Coppice End, including roof, police control room and new dressing rooms...or did I imagine that? :confused:

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Yes he did say those things.
However, it doesn't look like the club has fulfilled the criteria yet to release the funding. (We surely should have heard something concrete by now - excuse the pun).
Time is running out, hence the request for the temporary control room to be kept.

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the most suprising thing is some of you appear to believe o'neill/heys

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Yes it was more or less said that if the club submitted the plans by the end of,whichever month,can't quite remember,the grant from, was it LECCI ? was more or less sorted.Thats what I was led to believe by Mr O,neill and Mr Heys.

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At the Fans Forum Heys and O'Neill said categorically that the Coppice end was being demolished after the last home game of the season and a new stand, dressing rooms, control room, etc were being built. They also said that it would cost Stanley nothing and was being funded by a LEGI grant and a grant from the Football Trust and that these grants were already in place. We shall have to wait until after the last home game of the season to find out whether they were blatantly telling lies or not.

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Explanation is now on fishy site. Rob Heys also goes on to say I thought he released full details of the improvements at the Fans Forum. One thing for sure, we will have to get our ground capacity up to 5,000 or we will be getting thrown out of the Football League. If the Football League inspectors came round now we would probably be in trouble as the capacity is probably less than 4,500 at the moment.

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Ground development.

Friday 26th Mar 2010

Control room planning application.

Some supporters have expressed concern through various channels about a recent planning application lodged with Hyndburn Borough Council for the re-siting of the current control room.

Although the club has not been contacted directly we would like to reassure supporters that the reason for this is to satisfy one of the planning committee's criteria for allowing us to keep the structure in place until the end of the season.

Explaining the application chief executive Rob Heys said "The club was very grateful to the local authority for allowing us to leave the control room in place and avoid the considerable expense that would have been incurred had we been told to re-site it immediately. However they were very keen to ensure that there was a back up plan in place should the club's aim of redeveloping the Coppice Terrace not take place at the end of the season, and so instructed us to submit a revised application with the control room in a more suitable position.

"The club remains committed to several sizeable ground improvements over the summer, including the construction of a permanent control room, and will release full details of these in the near future. John Coleman and Jimmy Bell are doing a tremendous job in ensuring that we establish ourselves as a Football League club on the field and it is up to us to ensure that we mirror that off the field."

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So no new Coppice end development, then? :confused:

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Of course there is. Heys and O'Neill guaranteed there would be at the Fans Forum

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This construction is most likely to be from morecambe's christie park than any new build.

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I am getting a very strange & unhappy feeling of Dejavu:mad:

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funny i feel similar.:(

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Have they measured up to make sure it fits properly this time around? :rolleyes:

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On a serious note, yes they have WH, one of our efficient Directors, is on the case already ;) :)

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It would be a real shame, if the new stand was not too be built.

The Improved facilities it would bring for everyone, from much needed Office space, a New Club Shop, New Changing Rooms, New Control Room to keep everyone onboard & Better Facilities for Away Fans is all very much needed.

I know Rome was not built in a day, but this was the one thing very much touted from Top at the Fans Forum that I had Blind Faith in.

Why do we have to make do all the time?

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Seem to remember it was a director's idea to get the last secondhand stand we had. ;)

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Behave WH, onwards and upward ;) :D :D :)

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Wheres the planning application for the new stand ?

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I put it in that drawer that everyone has at home, you know the one with an old candle, some duff batteries & a broken shuttlecock in it

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Ah yeah that one. I think we'd all be grateful if you submitted it. :)

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He won't submit it, means more seats in the ground :D

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take the seats out the clayton end and use them for a new stand!!

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IT'LL HAPPEN, have some belief guys!

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A Brand New Stand?

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"The club remains committed to several sizeable ground improvements over the summer, including the construction of a permanent control room, and will release full details of these in the near future".

Is that the same "near future" in which Whalley's shares will be transferred to O'Neil?

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Agreed! so probably never then.....

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I thought the shares HAD been transferred to O'Neil...or is this something else I've got wrong? :confused:

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Does anyone really know?:confused:

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All this " will it happen??? won't it happen" talk does no good for general morale, as a lot of the statements that are released by the club, to me don't seem to have any weight or substance.

As another poster said, I think the powers that be, need to address these issues and put everyone in the picture; and that would include the Football League.By that, I mean post statements of intent of specific plans rather than general comments of "significant ground redevolpments" and reports of progress (i.e. the funding situation)

All the negativity generated by keeping folk in the dark about plans, only has the effect of generating a feeling of apathy which I'm sure the general public pick up upon.That in turn, deters floating support and potential new fans (and more importantly paying customers!!)from coming down to the Crown.

But , like the X files, like the Whalley & O'Neill share/ownership debacle it seems that the truth about the ground improvement situation is out there somewhere!!:rolleyes:

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The last I heard on the subject was when Ilyas said he's confident that O'Neill is the majority shareholder. That's good enough for me, for now.

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makes me wonder,being a cynical git, the fact that the "DON" has made no statement to the public saying so, has he n ulterior motive?:cool:

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The story I heard, for thats all they are stories, is that E W will not sign over his shares untill monies owed to him are paid. Not the money from the shares but further money he is insisting he is still owed by the club. As to him being seen in the vice Presedents lounge, I was informed that it is part of the deal, he and his family can use this room all the time. It,s like everything at the Club all surrounded in fog and half truths.

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Yet more bull**** from DON and RH.

How long can it go on for???

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May 10th should be interesting.:eek:

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When somebody has a plan 'B' they usually have a plan 'A'

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As usual with Stanley, Plan "A" is do nothing.

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:eek: Well 10th May is fast approching and still no word of the plans for redevelopment of the ground ie police control box and bring the ground capacity up to league requirments:(

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Probably Tomorrow Mab.:rolleyes::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Cutting it a bit fine, aren't they? :eek:

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Looks like up for determination at next Wednesday's meeting:

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...12-05-2010.pdf

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Muchas Gracias very nice lady.:)

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Show off ... :D

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11/10/0106
Accrington Stanley FC Crown Ground Livingstone Road Accrington
Full: Relocation of upper level ground control room, ground level portakabin,
access stairway and enclosure: Temporary permission for 12 months
Mr Robert Heys

So, all they're doing is asking permission to move the the portakabin to the other side of the ground. Does this mean that the planned redevelopment isn't going ahead this summer after all?

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We have to increase the capacity as it is only 4350, but no planning application for re-development has been lodged. If we acquire the stand from Blackpool we will have to have planning permission for it to be erected. I am sure that Ilyas has it all under control. Anyway work has probably started as Heys and O'Neill promised us that work would commence after the last home game of the season, then again, they didn't say which season did they ?

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I bet the Bulldozers are moving in as we speak (type) !!!!!!:confused::confused:

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From painful experience of our streamlined and modernised planning system, it's likely to take an efficient, focussed and well-funded company a good 4 and probably 6 months to prepare for a detailed planning application. One expectation today is that applicants for big projects consult with neighbours before submitting an application.
Unless anyone saw some yellow jackets on the Coppice End with a theodolite and survey poles during the recent ice-age, it may be a tad optimistic to expect an imminent application for a major redevelopment scheme.
But then I'm an Aquarian, the bringer of cold water.

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So, does these mean that what we're going to have next season is just another make-and-mend, botched-up solution...the portakabin moved to the other side of the ground and a few temporary seats bunged in somewhere? It's about time the club were telling us what exactly is going on...like it's about time they were telling us about Coley's and Jimmy's contracts. Mushrooms spring to mind. :rolleyes:

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We've still got the stand from Blackpool for the Whinney Hill side of the ground and the new perimeter advertising. We can only trust Ilyas and I am sure that we will see a difference in the Crown Ground next season

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So, how long's it going to take for planning permission to be granted? Longer than the start of next season, if Exile's correct. High time the club were levelling with us about what's going on.

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:( But how long will the League hold off taking action against the club if work doesn't start soon:(

Can't help thinking they've given us long enough. If I was at the Football League I think I'd have grown tired of empty promises by now. The cynic in me is starting to wonder if this is connected to the delays in finalising contracts. In Ilyas we trust. It's the other beggers I'm not sure about.

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Got it in 1, "Once Bitten" springs to mind.:eek:

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I was under the impression that you are still in discussions with us for the relocation of our North Stand to your ground. Has the Blackpool deal been finalised?

Personally i would have liked to have seen some of the terracing relocated to The Globe Arena but it falls outside of the future development plans for the area that they could have been used.

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As far as I know the Blackpool deal is finalised and the relocation of your North Stand has been abandoned.

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Exactly where is the Blackpool stand going to be erected? Coppice end, or Whnney Hill side?

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Whinney Hill side

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Somebody put a picture of it on here somewhere. It's one of those scaffolding type stands that you see at golf matches.

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I think this is it , could be wrong though!!

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Be great sat in that, when its persisting down.:D

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:eek: Must be neally 3000 seats in that stand :D anyone feel like counting:rolleyes::)

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roughly 1650, had nowt better to do.:D

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Think we got 1800 allocation last season but it depends on the licensing authority.

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does this mean we can get those chuffin seats out of the clayton end?

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NO!!

They aren't under cover!!!

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:) MrT! Can you put us in the picture so to speake about whats happening ie whens the work starting on the ground to up the capacity:) and relocation of police control box:)

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I don't get any of this:

Do the seats from Blackpool go under the present Shed Roof on the Whinney Hill or does the roof comes of and as Cashy says we gets some nice new seats as per the above picture but no cover over them and sell platic macs or ponchos in the Club Shop?

Is it the seating that is not up to League Standard in terms of numbers or a mixture of Both seating & terracing?

The stand Roof talked about at Christie Park is that the away end the Umbro Stand?

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Not really (sorry) All I know are the FL rules and the fact we have applied to HBC for planning permission to move the Control box to a new location, accepted by the Livingstone Rd residents.

Capacity: I "hear" Blackpool is the preferred plan, subject to planning consent being granted.:)

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My understanding is that the whinney hill stand would be demolished and replaced by the blackpool stand. again stanley have the required a mount of seats for a league club 2000 which are all under a roof which in clude the 300 odd in the whinney hill at the moment which would be replaced with the blackpool ones ,meaning appossible 3500 seats bringing the capacity up above the magic 5000 mark:)

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Thanks Mab:)

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I'm lost with this now! From what I can tell we have the required amount of seats with the 300 in the Whinney Hill but they are being replaced by the Blackpool stand which can't be counted as seats as they are uncovered so we will have the required capacity but surely this would mean not enough covered seats again? :confused:

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well like others i'm totally bloody baffled now.:confused:

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:) Could refit the tin sheets off the old whinney stand on to the back of the blackpool stand:rolleyes::D

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again baffled we don't wan
t seats in the clayton end but don't quite understand why we can't remove them ref the new blackpool stand..............sorry mr t purely a fans point of view

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Think this has been done before nige, nowt can be done about that as i understand it.:(

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cheers cashy but if it is purely numbers surely if the seats from the cow shed are bound to be empty then the seats 'missing ' from the clayton end would off set aginst us standing on the clayton the surely an equirbribrilum can be held and god forbid a helld government:rolleyes::confused:

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huge apologies cashy stopping up for elections and didn't appear how rubbish that was think i'm a tad drunk

ON STANLEY ON

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:)Because league rules state that as a league club you must have a minimum requirment of 2000 seats which are under cover ie have a roof over them:)regardless of any extra seats that are in the blackpool stand which are uncovered ie no roof.

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I believe the plan is to partially cover the seats in the Blackpool stand (around 300) , to compensate for the current covered seats currently in the "Cow Shed" which will obviously be removed.
This would keep us at 2000 covered seats. The additional uncovered seats in the Blackpool stand would then increase the overall capacity of the ground to league standards.

With regards to the Clayton end ( and these are my thoughts/views only) As we have had to re-profile the concrete to accomodate the seats (ie make them wider) it would be now impractical to remove them ( H & S issues) and it wouldn't increase capacity. So, at present the Clayton End will stay as it currently is.

Make sense?? If not yell.

We know folk want to stand, BUT the FL rules state minimum of 2000 covered seats, and there are no grants at all for terracing.

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Will never like it, but understand the score, ta fer yer thoughts MrT.

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Will you be able to see the match in Accrington from a stand in Blackpool ? :)

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OK, that makes sense, Mr T. Can't say I'm happy with the way the Clayton End is being left, but I can see the logic in it. However, what about the planned redevelopment of the Coppice End of the ground (roof, new dressing rooms etc) that was supposed to be going ahead this summer? Is that on hold now?

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only one thing money to get it here and put it up . plus all new food beer bogs ect for that side

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At least it's not as far as bringing it from Aldershot Military Tattoo Ground. :eek:

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The Crown Ground.

Tuesday 18th May 2010.

Stadium control room moved.

The stadium control room at the Crown Ground has now been moved to ground level over the summer.

The structure has been something of a contentious issue in recent years, and the club would like to thank the council and local residents for their patience while we have resolved the situation.

With the season ended now at the Crown Ground and no matches for a couple of months our concentration turns to the various developments that need to be put into place ahead of the 2010/11 season, including an increase in capacity and of course the resiting of a control room for which planning permission has been applied for. Further details will follow.


Well it looks like "Tomorrow" has come for at least one of our many things to do list!!!

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They have only put it on the floor, temporarily, for the summer.

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Well, it's a start :rolleyes: :)

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There is also a mention in there of an 'increased capacity' to the ground, i wonder where that will be... it has to be either cow shed or away end in my opinion, wether it be a bigger cow shed or at least a roof over the away end

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Think it will be cowshed side that will be developed......:)

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there's no mention of the impending new 'development' with the LEGI money we were getting. Gone pretty quiet on that front ...

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Was thinking that meself rob, the owd saying- No news is Good News, don't really apply wi stanley.:eek:

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I don't think that a roof over the away end will increase the capacity, unless they put seats on it.

Aren't we supposed to be getting the temporary stand from Blackpool to erect in place of the cow shed ?

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Is it going back up again next season?
If so it might anger the local residents even more than just leaving it where it was.

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so a bit on tv about blackpool stand if they go up they have 18months to 2 years to get the ground up to prem standing....... so stand coud not be on way

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See fishy site, ground is receiving a thorough paint job over the next few weeks - can't really see what is meant by 'giving something back to the community' - how does having a team of volunteers in do that?? Still, it'll all look bright & shiny :)

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It's a work experience program, effectively if companies didn't find some work to do they wouldn't gain experience. Not sure how they work out they are volunteers though, as far as I can see it's a government funded scheme :confused:

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That metal on top of the main stand has needed paintin for ages!