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The 7 wins out of 8 in the circumstances wasn't the possible, it was purely impossible and magical, and surely all the (temporary) improvement anyone could possibly have hoped to see. If we'd only won 4 of those 7 and then beaten Lincoln, Burton and Grimsby we'd be exactly where we are today - safe - and everybody would be deliriously happy. That's football.

Maybe distance and only watching occasionally makes it easier and dilutes the passion. But - lose Coley without finding a Jack Walker and lose Football League football - just my opinion :). I stand by my signature block!

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“Shall I post or not?” I thought, after the extremely disappointing showing today. However, after reading some of the posts on here, particularly those calling for Coleman’s head, I thought I might as well have my two penn’orth, for what it’s worth.

Firstly, no-one has remarked on the absence of Tom Lees and Jonny Flynn from the squad. I don’t actually KNOW, but feel it is reasonable to assume that they have been stricken by the “lurgy” which has been affecting the club in the past few days. (If I’m wrong, then the next bit of this post is irrelevant…….. however…… assuming that this was the case, then the moving of Phil to right-back was enforced, leaving the central pairing of Darren and McCarten.)

Ok, now, I feel that Darren NEEDS Phil to cover behind him and allow him to go forward to win the ball. That cover was not there today, leaving Darren to rely even more on his “get rid at all costs” philosophy. McCarten, with the best will in the world, looked raw and inexperienced, not sure what was required of him and certainly not up to the “cleaning-up” role which Darren needs.

This seemed to affect the confidence of Boozer, who had what I believe to be his worst ever game for Stanley. As one of Bavs’s greatest critics, it grieves me somewhat to say that there were times when I wished he’d been playing today!

However, on to the rest… Proccy, before being made captain, was a bit of a “headless chicken”. Then, having taken on the responsibility, he became something of an inspiration. Sadly now, for whatever reason, he seems to have returned to poultry mode. This does not make him a bad player – he just seems to feel that he has to make up for others’ deficiencies.

Ryan, Winnard, Phil, Symes and Kee.. reasonable marks today, often for making up for others’ failings.

Grant…. Was he playing? Turner…. I have said before that I am not convinced that he is the answer to all our problems but, if you leave out the player who is most likely to feed him, i.e. Joyce, then you leave him with a mountain to climb.

So, to sum up, then, Grimsby, fighting relegation, took the game to us and thoroughly deserved their win. This doesn’t suddenly turn us into a bad team, but into a team which has lost a bit of confidence and for whom things are not working out any more.

On the positive side, we are safe and could yet end the season with a respectable top-half finish, so let’s get behind them, stop carping on about where things have gone wrong and try to encourage Coley, Jimmy and the team to put things right. Incidentally, full marks to the Ultras and the Clayton End today. I’m sure there were times when you didn’t feel like singing, but that kind of support should be an inspiration to any team.

Onward and upward, then. Let’s get back on track at Darlington next week and show those who prophesied relegation at the beginning of the season that they write Stanley off at their peril!

On Stanley On!

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I agree with the missing Lees remark, Phil is a cracking defender but with him at fullback you miss something going forward. The starting 11 today was close to being a good one however we missed Joyce's distribution in the centre of the park and with Proccy out of form it should have been him and not Joycey who sat on the bench.

Boozer

Lees Edwards Kempson Winnard

Turner Ryan Joyce Grant

Symes Kee


Also have to note that Symesy & Kee played bloody good football today, just went amiss because there was no service.

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Full marks to your post oldgobblin.

Great to see somebody that knows what they are actually talking about.

Those that are calling for Coleys had are fools IMO.

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Me too....... Well said OG

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"Those"?...As far as I can see, there's only one person who actually reckons that Coley should go and that's Grimps. Possibly he said that in the heat of the moment yesterday, perhaps he really means it...even if it's the latter, he's still entitled to his opinion.

However, most fans want to carry on with Coley and he's worked miracles with the resources at his disposal, but that doesn't mean he should be immune from criticism. As others have said, questions will be asked.

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Thats whats so funny,i only remember 1 post saying that, funny in the way some who orate wi long posts etc, at the end of the day are incapable of reading.:rolleyes: especially if they think people disagree wi there view.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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The headline on the Telegrapgh billboards say "Coley Blame Me For Grim Day', it's not online yet so can't tell you anymore yet as I ain't forking out for the paper :)

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Sorry Cashy, you misunderstand me - my idea was not to go for people who "disagree wi' me" but to try to give a fair reflection of my own view of yesterday. Sorry if only one person called for Coleman's head, but I wasn't actually counting, and you have to admit there are a few negative vibes around, and so be it, people are entitled to their views.
My "orate wi' a long post" was merely my way of running through the strengths and weaknesses of the team as I saw them yesterday, but you evidently "disagree wi me" and that's fair enough.
Better stop now before I orate too much!:) Roll on the next game.

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Bit I heard on 2BR with Coley was sort of saying as much as he accepted responsibility but without offering up any real answers?

Coley has worked miracles of that there is no denying and his year on year record is as good as it gets

Sometimes when you have been in a job for so long you can become tunnelvisioned in the way you do things and what it achieves, but at football it is a constantly changing picture.

I wonder if we have opposition teams watched to know how they play and from that build tactics around it?

I would imagine with our budgets that is not always possible and perhaps with a small backroom staff we are maybe limited in how we can approach games in terms of experience?

At the end of the day Coley & Jimmy can only pick and prepare the team to the best of their ability once the players are over the white line it is then down to the players, the more experienced players have to help out the younger less experienced players and maybe that is another part of the problem?

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deano was in the suns team of the day today, unusual for a losing team member to be picked

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Murphy was on the bench and he has played at full back this season. So, in my opinion, the moving of Phil to right back was NOT enforced. Murphy played at right back at Dagenham on Saturday. Unfortunately, McCarten looked totally out of his depth.

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Murphy unfortunately is not the answer, it was a harsh baptism of fire for McCarten difficult to come into a team that is bereathed of ideas further up the pitch which means the ball is going to keep coming back at you.

It is a major rebuilding job come the Summer with parts of the spine of the team in place already but a small squad is fine and dandy so long as you have a magical blend quality, experience, youthul exhubarance and players that can perhaps play a couple of positions.

I would like to see our net cast a bit wider than the usual places to ensure we get the right mix.

Budgets as always will be the main constraint but there are gems out there and you just gotta find em:)

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What! Surely you don't mean The Wirral as well?

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Some sound observations coming up on recent posts.:thumbsup: Coley and Jimmy have done an amazing job this season and over the last ten seasons! :mosher:They have totally defied predictions about relagation. So well done. :)Yes, it is frustrating when we are in the middle of a down turn in form but Coley has tried making changes to the team in an effort to turn the tide. Remember he has NO CASH to spend and not much with which to attract loanees to come and play for us at our humble little ground with its limited facilities. When you take into account all of these factors then surely John and Jimmy are doing superbly. The players have plyed lots of matches this season, on heavy grounds, often twice a week with a small squad. Some of them are bound to be feeling it now.:( It is dead easy to start criticising the mangers when we lose a few. So lets continue our wonderful support, :thankya:sing with the Ultras :theband:and continue our historical journey with STANLEY:D:D:D

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You know it's a sad state of affairs when the only part of your side looking to get forward and attack is the left full back. Nothing to say about the game that hasn't already been said.

Is Jimmy Ryan injured?

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Aparently not shaker :confused::confused::confused::confused:

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Agree McCarten looked well out of his depth, can understand it though, as they have been playing crap of late, Coley needed to see if he could fit the bill, on this performance the answer is no. But what puzzles me is how many games have i to watch before i see McConville in his ruddy depth? be interesting to see if young McCarten is banished fer now, won't it?:rolleyes:

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3283

At least Coley acknowledges the buck stops with him

It will be interesting to see how Coley & Jimmy tackle this

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I can understand how he feels, probs the lowest (recent) point for any Stanley fan was yesterday..... I have seen all 5 of those defeats & they were ALL shockers!

I feel like crying too JC, but KEEP THE FAITH!

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Sorry Jeff, but I do not think that Murphy is good enough and I would have put Phil at RB, if Flynn/Lees were injured!! :)

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We all keep going on about cash and the size of our squad, but just look at Ballmouth, they have had to fork out loads of cash and have a very small squad, sometimes naming only three outfield subs!! :eek:

This is the same small squad (ours) that won game after game, only a few weeks ago! :rolleyes: :)

We have had our best ever season, in the worst circumstances, bring on next season!!! :) :) :)

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Bet they are on double our wages though

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Surely not suggesting that they would play better if paid more???? :confused: :) :)

They should be honoured to play for Stanley :rolleyes: ;) :D

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you dont mean our right footed centre half do you? :rolleyes:


woeful yesterday and I have nothing constructive to contribute. However, despite the disappointment of the last month or so we have had a blast this season, our best run in the Carling Cup culminating in an unlucky defeat at QPR, same again in the Paint Pot Trophy and Elland Road, a wonderful FA Cup run and more unluckiness at home to Fulham, we've beaten previously undefeated Barnet and Notts County on their own pitches, we've beaten Bury and Rochdale away for the first time in over half a century AND we made our best ever signing in Ilyas Khan.

The worst thing about this season has undoubtedly been the pitch. With a decent pitch that we can actually play football on we would have had our games spread out over a wider time (and mostly when we were still in form) and we would have made far more money out of the crowds we'd have got for saturdays rather than tuesdays.

Fix the pitch, buy a good goalkeeper and two decent attacking full backs (at least one with a left foot please). Then 2010/2011 will look okay for me.

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Well said, Macca!

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good post rob, whilst ruddy annoyed at recent performances, have great hopes fer next season,......................Providing.:eek:

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Think you summed it up perfectly there Rob

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Spot on Macca :thumbsup: :)

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how many previous left backs have the ability to mark the opposing centre backs at corners and set pieces all season and still to conceed?
I know deanos not a natural left back, but its disrepectful to say hes not effective.
Anyone in the team quicker? dont think so , he was the fastest player on rovers books over 10,20,30 and 40 m

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think people have said it on the other thread, no one is blaming deano hes a very good player, but oviously playing people out of position, things will go wrong, like tonight if barca played messi in defence he proberly wouldnt of scored all the goals, so it works like that, play people in right positions and it all works nicely,

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Before this turns into a Dean Winnard love-in, I have to agree that he was one of the least bad players yesterday. Took junior bedsred to his second game yesterday and wish we'd left at half time. From centre half to centre midfield that was shocking. Kempson's behaviour (in front of the no swearing bit of the stand, too) was disgusting. The centre midfield went missing and our subs turned the game. Full time Teams should not lose on fitness or application and we were lacking in both. Not sure whether we can blame coley for that, but he's the only one with the power to do anything about it. Frankly, yesterday I was glad I don't get to many games. By the way, sorry if I missed it elsewhere but what's the story with Jimmy Ryan? Hints here that there's more to it than I'd like to believe.

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I'd love us to have Deano playing at centre half. I think he is probably better (or technically more potential anyway) than either Edwards or Kempson. Although I am a fan of a settled back four it would be nice to have someone quality to replace either of the two preferred players. Deano has been a good solid player for us this season, but, we have had our best ever season playing without the width and impetus that regular full backs tend to provide. I have seen more than half the games this season and only once have I seen a goalkeeper try to start an attack by throwing the ball (overarm) to a full back ready to run. That's either lack of coaching direction or we haven't the staff to do that. Having said all that, what a twinkle toes run he made the other week that he set up a goal from ....

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I agree that Murphy is not good enough. I was only making a point to Oldgobbin that the moving of Phil to right back was NOT enforced and that Coley had other options.

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Thankfully, I was unable to go to the match against Grimsby but it has been interesting to read all the comments.

One worrying thing that I have noticed more than ever this season is the lack of encouragement and advice that the team seems to get from the technical area. Coley and Jimmy Bell are quickly on their feet when they disagree with the decisions of officials but, compared to other management teams, ours seems to appear only occasionally and then merely to berate.

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I have had the same discussion with two ex pro's who watched seperate games from just to the right of them

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Also to be fair both also commented on the fast pace of both games and the commitment of both sides playing:)

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I agree that Murphy is not good enough. I was only making a point to Oldgobbin that the moving of Phil to right back was NOT enforced and that Coley had other options.

Sorry, Jeff, I hadn't realised that you were making that point to me. The fact is that, as you and I both agree that Murphy is not good enough, then if Coley happens to feel the same way as us, the move probably was, to some degree, enforced. At least it appears that, like us, he discounted the other option.

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We lost the match because of bad defending and rubbish subs. No-one else was more saddened about the loss then Coleman. Coley has saved us from relegation this season, look what weve been through and what weve achieved this season. Even a trip to leeds we got!! I think alot of people need to realise what weve actually done this season and how many things we have survived!!

Coleman is a superb manager and is admired throughout the league with so many managers and fans!!! For what he has done and is going to this club!!
If it wasnt for the jack the lad attitude then he would be up their in the Championship.
I could type all night about the man.....

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Didn't Stanley lose at home on Easter Monday last year?

Was at the game. Chester.

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And look what has happened to them.