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ukcowboy 24-05-2010 12:00

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 817177)
Has anyone noticed how they always say there is conclusive cctv evidence but there is never an invitation to view it, not even an offer to send it to the club itself if they want to take up the matter on behalf of their fans.

I could be mistaken here, but I was under the impression that the clubs safety officer (Mick or Caroline) could ask to see/have a copy of the cctv footage if they so wished. If said footage then showed the numpty who decided to let a smoke bomb off in the ground (allegedly) and or fans abusing the Stewards/Police then ASFC could take action against them if it was deemed to be appropriate. If, however as I suspect, none of the allegations are truthful, then surely the Club would then be in a position to refute them and demand a fuller explanation?

Perhaps MrT may be in a position to confirm/deny my assertations?

AccyMad 24-05-2010 13:27

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 817167)
After the trouble at home games with smoke you would think whoever let that off would have known better.

Fair comment but the fact remains that that one isolated incident did not warrant the treatment the Stanley fans received that day & that was not the reason/excuse given for detaining either of the two who were arrested.
As has already been said on this thread, fans from other clubs have had similar experiences at Cheltenham & some specifically mention the same steward who was involved in the rough treatment of the 15 year old & yet CTFC seem determined to back their stewards to the hilt & put the blame squarely on the Stanley fans.

cashman 24-05-2010 13:31

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 817167)
After the trouble at home games with smoke you would think whoever let that off would have known better.

agree, but not relevant, the steward involved was a thug,idiot, n knobhead. simple as, Hitler started WW2, but ya wouldn't blame "All" germans.:rolleyes:

Neil 24-05-2010 14:20

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 817201)
Hitler started WW2, but ya wouldn't blame "All" germans.:rolleyes:

Who wouldn't? :D

Chimer 24-05-2010 16:23

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 817201)
agree, but not relevant, the steward involved was a thug,idiot, n knobhead. simple as, Hitler started WW2, but ya wouldn't blame "All" germans.:rolleyes:

I'm afraid I think setting off the smoke flares (there were two during the game, to be accurate) is relevant, if only because doing so was likely to wind the stewards up. Not enough to justify what happened subsequently, but something to cost us at least some of the moral high ground and give CTFC something to use in their defence of the indefensible. And of course it's stupid, and potentially dangerous. Numpty is right for whoever set it off, though I wouldn't disagree with "thug,idiot, n knobhead" for the steward either.

mab 24-05-2010 17:33

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 817183)
I could be mistaken here, but I was under the impression that the clubs safety officer (Mick or Caroline) could ask to see/have a copy of the cctv footage if they so wished. If said footage then showed the numpty who decided to let a smoke bomb off in the ground (allegedly) and or fans abusing the Stewards/Police then ASFC could take action against them if it was deemed to be appropriate. If, however as I suspect, none of the allegations are truthful, then surely the Club would then be in a position to refute them and demand a fuller explanation?

Perhaps MrT may be in a position to confirm/deny my assertations?

The club asked for a full report from cheltenham and the police after the game.

ukcowboy 24-05-2010 18:26

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by mab (Post 817248)
The club asked for a full report from cheltenham and the police after the game.

Cheers Mab, I wasnt there so couldnt be sure !

mab 24-05-2010 19:01

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Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 817265)
Cheers Mab, I wasnt there so couldnt be sure !

:) Dont know the out come,but it was asked for pete :)

Mr T 24-05-2010 19:03

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by mab (Post 817248)
The club asked for a full report from cheltenham and the police after the game.


Just spoke to Mr S (he's on a safety course at present)

Yes he's asked for information, as yet no reply
(unlike Crewe who replied immediately)

See you ALL tomorrow!!:)

AccyMad 25-05-2010 12:45

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 817294)
Just spoke to Mr S (he's on a safety course at present)

Yes he's asked for information, as yet no reply
(unlike Crewe who replied immediately)

See you ALL tomorrow!!:)

That's interesting, over two weeks since the Cheltenham game & Mick still hasn't had a reply from CTFC. If they were sure their actions were justified surely they'd have sent the necessary information by now.

cashman 25-05-2010 12:50

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 817630)
That's interesting, over two weeks since the Cheltenham game & Mick still hasn't had a reply from CTFC. If they were sure their actions were justified surely they'd have sent the necessary information by now.

Probably cos they were only justified to them? even cheltenham fans posted on here knocking what happened.

AccyMad 25-05-2010 13:14

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Big Al posted on here a couple of days after the incident that if CTFC hadn't replied to anyone who had complained within 14 days, they could be reported to the football league, it's bad enough they've ignored most of us who wrote to them but to ignore the club as well???? - only goes to prove what we've known all along, they were in the wrong but won't admit any liability.

cashman 25-05-2010 13:26

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 817639)
Big Al posted on here a couple of days after the incident that if CTFC hadn't replied to anyone who had complained within 14 days, they could be reported to the football league, it's bad enough they've ignored most of us who wrote to them but to ignore the club as well???? - only goes to prove what we've known all along, they were in the wrong but won't admit any liability.

yep, funny how they didn't ignore me though.:D

Stanleymad 25-05-2010 13:30

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Suggests everyone & Club take it further to FA, bet they are banking on u not doing so hence ignoring it.

VALAIRIAN 26-05-2010 04:56

Re: Cheltenham stewards
 
Mick S said at FANs meeting last night that he still has not had reply and he - along with some of the others there, Police, FL etc. - suggested that as many as possible write to C.T.F.C. with complaints.

Will get address and post on here.


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