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Ray Putterill & Stanley in trouble?
On fishy site now, Ray Putterill & Stanley are facing charges from the FA after Ray played in the JPT match at Tranmere whilst serving a 42 day suspension issued by Liverpool County FA, apparently we have until 13th September to respond
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Oh the joys of being a Stanley fan, it never rains but it pours.
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On the plus side, it was reported on the fishy site before the LET this time :)
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and stockport was a crap draw anyway!
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He has another 7 day suspension when that one finishes :rolleyes: |
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On a more serious note it does mean he is out until mid October doesn't it ?
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That's interesting. The national FA deal with misconduct from Unibond level upwards, so where exactly has he managed to accrue a County FA suspension from? Can perhaps understand the club not knowing this if they didn't know to check, but it's hard to believe it would have slipped his mind. And when did the suspension kick in? Ought he had played in the league and cup games?
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Apparently it was when he was playing for Halewood Town (don't know which league they are in) in April 2010, the ban was effective from 30 August. Does say on fishy site that the Football League will be looking at this in conjunction with the JPT competition rules - wonder if we will be thrown out, especially seeing as how it was Ray who scored that night??
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It will have been a low level of football for the suspension to be dished out in number of days rather than matches. Sunday football maybe ? |
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Pretty sure that Stanley will be booted out of the JTP Trophy for this. The ban is for abusing officials. The FA aren't going to let him or Stanley get away with this.
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Bury were thrown out of the FA Cup for fielding an ineligible player two years ago. If we are found guilty, the punishment will surely be the same regardless of whether he scored or not.
Maybe this explains why Putterill didn't play on Saturday! |
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Was on LET site at 1.19pm Stanley charged over banned Putterill (From Lancashire Telegraph) |
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Other Clubs seem to learn by their mistakes but we do not as we are still being run by Dumb and Dumber. Are Dumb and Dumber going to re-imburse Stanley for any monies lost or fines incurred because of their mistake ? I don't think so.
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all we need:eek: best to wait until facts emerge before commenting i reckon.
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There doesn't seem to be a precedent for fielding a suspended player in the JPT but there's a sensible summary of possible outcomes on an unofficial Tranmere site:
Rovers may get JPT reprieve |
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So much for finally winning against tranmere then:(
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When are Stanley going to get good publicity , we always seem to be in the wrong.
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There's a simple solution to problems like this.
If the football authorities are responsible for handing out bans, registering players and international clearances, then why can't they notify clubs of any difficulties at the time of registration. It shouldn't be too difficult to put some kind of system together. Centralising the process would avoid problems like this and prevent situations like Alty found themselves in a couple of seasons back. Of course, if the football authorities feel that they couldn't cope with it, then how do they expect the clubs to carry out the task with much less specialised resources? |
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Also everything is already centralised. From the Blue Square's upwards everything is dealt with by the FA. You can't seriously expect the FA to look after the Accrington Combinations disciplinary cases! |
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It would have been up to the player to inform the club and thats only if the secretary at Halewood actually told him about it. I don't think county FA's tell the player directly. |
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why cant there be a simple database of players underr ban. before match ref/asssistant enters team sheet and it flags anyone not eligable to play
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Whichever way it's dressed up, Stanley played an inelligable player in a cup competition. At the very least we will be expunged from the competition.
Stanley and Putterill are also likely to be hit with a further ban or fines. Ultimately it is the clubs responsibility to ensure that their players are elligble to play. Can't blame the FA for this. Pretty unproffesional is the way i'd describe it. |
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I'm not even sure the FA know what they are doing, they currently have Aswad Thomas down as a Stanley player on their suspension list TheFA.com - Suspension Lists |
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I think you really have to ask who does actually deal with these things when signing a player, as a rule of thumb possible banana skins should be the first concern. If it means Stanly being turfed out of the comp its you fans I feel sorry for
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Suspension List The usual way in which suspensions are dealt with at lower league/sunday level is the local FA hands down the ban in days rather than games and if the offence occurred at the end of the previous season then it will be started at the beginning of the following season. The local FA contact the player directly to inform them of their ban and its length, they do not deal with the club of the player at all, although they emphasise that it is the clubs responsibility to check the players availability with the local FA prior to them playing again. Therefore it is also upto the player to inform any clun they play for of their imminant suspension. Here is the confimation of his suspension from the Liverpool FA Suspension List |
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Will there be any issues with Ray playing for us (already) in the FL this seaon???
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Thats what I'm saying Jaysay, unless Ray told them about it the club would have no idea about his suspension. However it is a very simple process to search the discipline database and should be done as a matter of course IMHO
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I do hope that this ridiculous situation gets sorted out soon and doesn't keep a talent such as Ray banned from playing Football League games for an incident in the pub leagues that happened before he even joined us. Rob Heys said on Radio Lancs this evening that as far as the club were aware Ray's last registered appearance was made in a Liverpool jersey. They had no idea that he'd played for Halewood. If this account is true, as I believe it to be, it would be unfair to punish the club, surely? |
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wat sAswad Thomas Doing on it under us
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This is a tricky one , when you get sent off at county fa level , your club receives a copy of the offence / refs report .
You plead guilty or contest it and the form is signed by the club secretary and player and returned to the fa The punishment is then confirmed by post I believe that after viewing the report the players signature looks like its been forged ! ( possibly by a member of halewood town ) therefore the player nor Acci was aware of the pending suspension. Ignorance is no excuse and razor should have spoke to his former manager to see if any action had been taken before signing for acci. |
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you would imagine that pub league offences wouldn't count in the so called professional leagues
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Isn't it simple enough for the Club to email the FA or the Football League and ask if any new player signed has any suspensions hanging over them. If this was done then the Club would be in the clear. If the FA or the Football League said 'no suspensions' and it turned out that there was then it would be the FA or the Football League's fault. It's not the first time that we have played an ineligible player. Surely we should learn by our mistakes and check thoroughly. Once again, proof that the Club is being run by amateurs.
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if what Football19 says is true and somebody has allegedly forged Ray's signature on the ref's report then Halewood Town have got a LOT of explaining to do!! The only other option being that Ray knew about the ban and kept it quiet from the club thinking he would get away with it, but given he is only on a six month contract and playing for his future surely he wouldn't be that stupid, would he??:confused:
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Ray Putterill Halewood Town Sa FC Liverpool County FA Premier League 42 days 30/08/2010 03/10/2010
Ray Putterill Halewood Town Sa FC Liverpool County FA Premier League 7 days 04/10/2010 10/10/2010 The above taken from the link provided by Sparkie...............looks like He's out till Oct 10th |
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Irrespective of whether the signature on the report form is a forgery, and I think that people need to be very careful before making such an allegation, if the player committed the offence and had been punishes by the FA, the ban stands. The player will have known he committed te offence and, presumambly that it will be reported. The county FA suspensions do carry through to FA clubs. This I'd whyclubs at the level I officiate (where their discipline is an FA matter) take steps to ensure that their players do not play in Sunday league games, administered by the local FA. The player is banned. It would be ridiculous for te ban simply to disappear when a player moves clubs. In fact, this is why when registering players from overseas (even at parks level) clubs need to obtain international clearance. It appears, from the information we have, that Putterill was suspended. It would be interesting to see whether he fights this and how. It also appears that he may have lied to the club about his whereabouts inrecent months, and that should be an internal disciplinary issue. The club seem to have played an ineligable player. Ignorance or rank stupidity are unlikely to bemuch of a defence, so that's a realistic chance of a cup run gone. Where this leaves Putterill is anyone's guess. I certainly wouldn't like to think that someone would be taking wages out of a cash strapped club whilst being unavailable for six weeks for misbehaving. If he's in a shirt term deal, this could affect his chances if making it longer. And I think managers would be wary about him after this. And as for who checks suspensions? Well, someone must have done for this to come to light. I may be inclined to forgive the club not checking at County level if there's nothing to suggest he played there. Doesn't half make us look tinpot, though (and I bet Alty fans are enjoying this). |
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Hope the whole club is not punished for one mans mistake. Im sure Coley wouldnt have played him had he known about the ban. More revenue lost and an end to another cup run we can ill afford if we go out of the JPT for this. Was looking forward to Stockport. Not mentioning more bad publicity for Accy.
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All I've said is it seems ridiculous to me that an innocuous incident in the pub leagues resulting in a ban should take effect in the Football League. This is only made more ridiculous by the fact (and I shall take it as a fact until proved otherwise) that our club didn't know Ray had even played for another club between the time he left Liverpool and joined Stanley, let alone incurred a ban from the game. |
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Sorry for the confusion, shaker. Having re-read my post, I can see why you'd think I said that in response to you, and as for the halloucinogens, never had them and if I had I'd have exhausted the supply in the Tony Greenwood years, trying to convince myself that the team weren't crap.
I was trying to respond to football19 as well. Presumably the Winnard family have seen a copy of the report. Even at county level, a 42 day ban will not have been something innocuous. A player who is banned should be banned from all football. As I say, moving clubs shouldn't exempt you from punishment. And if he planned on returning to the pro gmae, there's all the more reason to behave himself, knowing the consequences. The club are largely innocent in this, but will have to be punished in order to prevent any loopholes being created for others. I'm not angry at the Liverpool FA for the ban. They're doing their job. I'm not angry at the FA for ensuring that it is applied. I'm not even angry with the club, who probably would never have assumed that one if their players would have been playing in the second tier ofthe Liverpool Combination, rift steps below the football league and could, perhaps be forgiven for not checking with the County FA. I'm very angry with a player who can behave in such a way that this ban has been necessary and from what Rob Heys says, lie to the club and think he'd get away with it. Of course, he wouldn't be the first player from that part if te world to be less than honest in his dealings with the club... |
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Until we hear The Player With The Oldest Name In Football's side of the argument, I think it's harsh to presume there was any attempted cover up by the player. Perhaps he's rather innocently (albeit foolishly) presumed that the county FA disciplinary matter wouldn't hamper his professional career, shrugged it off and forgotten about it. I accept that some (such as I, admittedly) would like to think that our players are good as gold, and I totally understand that for others, recent years have seen pitchside relationships challenged to the hilt. If the ban is upheld, then he'll have to take it like a man and return from the wilderness along with our favourite white haired half naked man towards the end of the year. But let's not shoot the lad or the club down before we know the full story, eh. :) |
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to gain a 42 day ban must have required some serious dissent.
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I was also previously in a team where one of the players was given a 67 day ban for foul and abusive language which supposedly included racially aggrevated words directed towards a match official (I was stood close to the girl at the time and I heard nothing racist but that was the charge!). She contested this but as she had no sound recording of the incident, the fa dismissed her protest at the ban and she was forced to sit out the final 2 and a half months of the season. I'm not quite sure where she was supposed to put an on record dictaphone about her person whilst playing football, any ideas?!!! Ridiculous!! |
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There was a report out today, in a somewhat different spere and that was the report into the Mexican Gulf blowout. What has that got to do with Stanley, you may say? Nowt - other than the principle of company responsibility. Just as it now appears that BP management and operatives were only partly responsible for the events leading up to the blowout, nevertheless the company has to take full responsibility.
The same principle applies now with Stanley; we have to take the hit. We may at some point be able to obtain retribution from other parties, although I somehow doubt it. I don't think Halewood FC or Mr Potterill himself would be suitable cases for legal and financial redress. What is important is that a lesson should be learnt. However, I doubt very much that it will be; it is not the first time that something like this has happened and it is unlikely to be the last. The real problem lies with the governing authority, the FA which taken with it's various offshoots, has the collective intelligence of a fruitfly. A system of player passports linked to a simple database, using smartcards and costing very little is all that is needed. Unfortunately, that will not arise in the forseeable future because the buck for any cock-ups would then pass to them. |
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ive got a ban for nutting a player years a go 84 days plus . kick out the team
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Macc fans are now starting to speculate about getting their three points back.
Macclesfield Town - Accy Charged - Will Macc Get Points Back? Seems a bit bizarre to be described as their "richer cousins"! |
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Macca scores a hat-trick, yet it was Razor who ran the show, sounds desperate to me.........
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Just realised, his ban started on August 30th and the Macc match was nine days before, so pull 'em up, poorboys! :D
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Having watched this thread grow, I can't understand why on earth is the disciplinary system for amateurs so different to the pro game, so many days suspension etc. if all of footy was run the same way i. e. games ban not days, could make it all so much more easier, well it would to me, but even then all the necessary checks would have to be made by clubs
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Bedreds , you are out of order bringing the " winnards " name into this discussion , I have watched deano play since he was 10 and i continue to do so ( i am not his dad , although i wish i had his money lol ! ).
Although they dont read these forums its still out of order to mention there names. I will however be careful now on what i say when things are said over a pint or two. ( chinese whispers come to mind ! ) |
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Amature football punishments are required to be tougher to support referee's and give the county some muscle.
As previously stated, to get a 42 day ban from the Liverpool FA requires a serious breach of rules. Do we know what he did? |
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Swearing at a ref after a game is a big issue.
At the level of halewood town, referee's have a hard time and must be shown respect. The failure of the player to attend the hearing looks bad and wouldnt have helped his cause. Unfortunatly some players continue to ignore the respect campaign so heavy penalties are enforced. Im sure the league hand out bigger penalties if the ref is abused after the game as opposed to during. |
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I am posting from my experience of dealing with Liverpool FA, if your going to appeal it helps if you attend. |
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odd one this was razor that desperate to get back into pro footy that he wouldn't say anything and with the level of footy in question is it neglect on the club for not checking or just good honest stanley stupidity (jeff i know your answer) quite similar to the lad at bradford on a police charge that didn't declare it.....desperate football players that want to play the game as apposed to falling back into a menial job with no chance of realising their their ambition....stupid but understandable!
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Even more stupid is that if he gets sent off for Stanley first team, he can still play for the reserves, keeping his match fitness at a good level. County ban is from all football |
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Football19: Apologies. Putting two and two together and getting 5 it seems. Would have sent you a PM to apologise but can't remember how!
However, IF what you suggested earlier on is true, it may give the player and Stanley some wriggle room. I presume that the club are aware of any concerns. (no answer needed - rhetorical question). Missing a player for a long time will be a blow, but I'm sure that there are players waiting to take their chance (step forward Chris Turner???) |
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Go figure :) |
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Is there a hearing for this tomorrow?? It says that we have until 13th Sept to reply, does that mean reply, or attend a hearing???
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I think it just means the date by which you plead guilty or not guilty |
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Anymore information as to what's happening here ? please.
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:) Heard on radio Stanley are contesting the FA charge!!Stating that nether stanley or putterill new of the FA ban inplace before or after signing Ray:)
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Yes, to the club secretary. They won't have written to Stanley it wasn't their player at the time. |
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So theoretically they were unaware of the offence/punishment & therefore didn't knowingly break rules ?
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looks like my first post on this subject was not to far off the mark !
after jimmy bells comments in the paper , razor insists he was never informed of the suspension or signed any form. It smells of a forged signature in my opinion i have a little sympathy for the player as the alleged incident happened after the final whistle |
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We are due to play Stockport, sometime in the first week of October, we had until 13th Sept. to put in our reply/plee, anybody have any idea what is going on????
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No date announced by FA yet Joe
Ray Putterill, Accrington Stanley FC Tranmere Rovers FC v Accrington Stanley FC Football League Trophy, 31 August 2010 FA Rule E10 – (player) – failure to comply with a suspension issued by a County FA Putterill denied the charge and requested a personal hearing Accrington Stanley FC Tranmere Rovers FC v Accrington Stanley FC Football League Trophy, 31 August 2010 FA Rule E10 – (club) – failure to comply with a suspension issued by a County FA Accrington Stanley FC denied the charge and requested a personal hearing |
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Cheers!!!!!!!!!
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As per usual the F.A. are moving wi the speed of a striking slug. *******.:rolleyes::(
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the suspension will still stand regardless so we'll be without him until the middle of November - either way it'll be like getting a fantastic new signing
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It happen as well the F A don't run the country, now that WOULD be bloody frightening:eek::eek:
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But where does that put the club in respect to all results attained while he was on the field ?
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He didn't play any league matches while suspended. The suspension didn't kick in until 30th August |
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I underand that the Halewood official has addmited not informing Puterill of tha ban and that the club are asking that he be allowed to play until its sorted out.
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Surely this must be sorted out before the Stockport match (JPT, not the game on the 28/09) :confused:
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