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Does anyone else recongnise cookys negativity since he has come? I know we have to be a little realistic but you also need to have belief. This thread has come from his last interview on the oxford game story. He goes to say that promotion now is unrealistic etc. But if we had won away at daggers and not thrown it away and then get a win tonight then we would only be 6 points behind. Soon as he came we was in a good position and could of gone for it but it just seemed negativity about the squad has squashed promotion. He seems more concerened about the running of the club and were the clubs going then the actual football.


On Stanley On.

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To me its called honesty, wi all our injurys etc the play offs are very unlikely, The fact hes considering the Clubs situation is to me a damn site better than the last gaffer, I certainly never want Stanley to be in such a position ever again.;)

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I appreciate his honesty. None of this "while it's still mathematically possible" tripe that other managers trot out. The smallest club with the smallest budget in the league. Add on to that the fact we've been absolutely crippled by injuries and if Cooky can guide us to top half Id say he's done reasonably well.

The first half displays against Daggers and Morecambe were encouraging and I like the way he says he is going to speak with Bobby, Jamie and Craig in order to find the root of why they can never reciprocate their first half performances for the rest of the game.

The annoying thing is as Smudgie says when everybody is firing we've got a fantastic team!!

The real show of Cooky's metal will be when he gets his little black book of contacts out in the summer and starts to build his own team. :)

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What....in the playoffs? ;)

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I hadn't picked up on it but to be honest, if, that is the case then bravo. Sounds daft?

Many thought the Football League was a step beyond us and in a way it proved to be true. If it hadn't have been for Mr K's handout money we wouldn't have a club. The town isn't capable of sustaining a League 2 team. Our crowds, ground, facilities and infrastructure are woefully short of the standard for this league let alone the one above.

If Cooky has discussed thiswith Khan, Marsden et al and all concerned are happy that a modicom of success is acceptable until such time as we can do more than tread water then that's fine by me.

Had we gone up last season then we may be finding that the degrees of financial failures were so much greater and the club could be in severe difficulty.

We all want success but at what price? The club never caught up to promotion to the Conference - we're kinda just about there now .... but we are no longer in the Conference

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Why is it that Liams always very positive going forward? Liam recently said " we want to finish with the most possible points as possible" he also said that " promotion is not out of the question" . Its not about promotion macca or getting it , its about his positivity for the squad. I think they also feel it aswell knowing that hes given up with this season and will rebuild now in the summer!

You dont come into any season thinking of trending water, whatever squad, pitch, ground , training facilities you have..

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Thrown it away ?? From what I've read it's more a set of circumstances during the 90 minutes that lost the game, not the managers negativity.
I beleive he went down to watch Barnet last Tuesday night to watch Daggers, doubt he would have done that if he hadn't planned on winnning the game.

If he gets rewarded for his workrate I hope he enjoys his stint at the Neu Camp :)

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Youve read that in the wrong context of what i put. I wasnt blaming cookys negativity on loosing the match, i was just pointing out a fact that if we had won and won tonight then we would be 6 points behind.

" Ive read " - Believe everything you read. Being there confirms things.

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fair enough, but I/we don't know what has been said, is being said or whether he is just in reality a miserable git :D

well a manager certainly shouldn't but I suspect more than a few chairmen hope to finish as runners up in the play off final!

Its always a difficult thought process. As a club you have to want to evolve and improve but you have to do it in some kind of order. The Whalley/Coleman era was one where as much money as possible went into the squad and producing a winning team - but we are at the highest point in our history and crowds are poor. Had we put the same effort into infrastructure, right at the beginning, where would we be? We may have better facilities, we may have our own training ground, we may have crowds twice as large, we may have triple the income coming in through the success of whatever revenue streams we had created ... but we may only be playing in the Conference.

For my mind we can't afford to put anything into the squad whilst everything else is a hundred miles behind. If we accidentally trip over a good squad then of course you push for it .. but without stretching the finances. If we ever do go up then thats great but we need the club to be in the right place or we'll sink without a trace in League 1.

I'd love to have a sugar daddy in place who could have said to Coley last season "well done pal, what a good squad we have here, give them all a 10% pay rise and here's a few quid to improve the one or two areas of the squad you feel need it" but unless we get someone rich and giddy it'll never happen here.

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We do want to finish with the most point possible as Leam says BUT Paul is being realistic , with the injuries etc he is faced with decisions of who to play in the team next in order for us to finish with most point possible. Give him chance , get behind him and Come on Lads you can do it.

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I was on about the throwing it away issue. If you think they threw it away then you're opinion is more valid than somebody who didn't go. I was only referring to the posts of those who went and I got the impression the injuries caused more problems than anything else.

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errmm :hidewall:

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Just look at the players who are out and have been out/left since Cooky came in [in some sort of order based on when we lost them/importance]:

Proc
Hessey
Hughes
Long
Stockley
Smith
Coid
Nasiala
Kiernan

Basically we've lost the everyone who plays in the middle of the park. The loss of Long, Hessey, Proc and Hughes especially has hurt us.

I back Cooky, he talks sense. Maybe yes he's a bit too honest to the press but I think he knows what a club like us needs and he will put together a good squad over the summer.

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I also back cooky 100% but he needs to stop the negativity! Macca you are going far into it now regarding promotion and money and that isnt what im trying to get at! After and before matches he seems negative this season and says negative things. He inherited a squad on the up and every game because its not his squad and because of injurys hes been constantly negative which leads up to the crowd not being happy and also it looks to be rubbing off on some the players. The negativity is regarding to that we cant go any further this season and that everything is out of reach.

Give the fans hope?! Why should i come to the game tonight if you dont think we can climb the table and get the wins?! The players seem to be confident , liam does, why not cooky?!

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Anyone with any worries etc about anything Cooky and/or Leam are doing will be able to ask them personally on Thursday night at the Q & A session in the clubhouse - could make for an interesting evening

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fair do's then - based purely and simply on his comments and whether it may adversely affect things .... probably. It's hard to tell though as the lip synching on the video's and the fact that he has three different voices means that I can only think of Eurotrash when I watch the vid's. I keep expecting some nude ladies to wobble their bits across the screen :)

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Am i missing summat here F.C.? To me the rot, fer whatever reason started whilst Coley was here, Barnet fer instance.:confused: Since then we lost Management Duo,Key Players fer various reasons, With arguably the smallest squad in the league, We beat the gills,think that was Leams game? but could easy have lost it in second half,:confused:

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I understand exactly where FC is coming from.

I mentioned this a few weeks back. Whilst a level of pragmatism is great in football particularly for a club like ours, Cook should be encouraging belief. Obviously you can allude to false sense of belief but I mean in general.

Has cook come out saying we're going to win this game? NO has he come out saying we can still get Play offs? NO.

Coincidentally, we have won 1 in 9 and the playoffs does look a stretch to far.


I STILL BELIEVE.

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I won't be going myself but perhaps someone who is would like to collate a few questions from our geographically challenged supporters?

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Questions can be submitted in advance by anyone, anywhere. That's the point of asking for them :)

At the moment, only one person has sent any but there's still plenty of time.

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Bottom line is, Some people live in the real world, some live in dreamland, meself i prefer things straight, Point is whatever a manager says- Yeh won't suit everyone.:rolleyes:

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Agree 100% Cashy. No nonsense!!! As the John Smiths adverts state. :)

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Nor did Coleys 12/13 year reign bring the crowds to the Crown ;)

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Announced on 10 May 2010:

ACCRINGTON Stanley’s average gate rose by an impressive 40 per cent this season – finally moving them off the bottom of the Football League’s attendance list.

Surely you are not suggesting that attendances in 2011 were the same as in 2000?

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It's still early days in Cookies tenure and he had big shoes to fill, it has been difficult in one sense watching play off hopes fade away but I am also a realist and realise there was going to be a bedding in process not just for the management but also the players which is still ongoing and probably will be with injuries & suspensions alike but it gives the management team the chance to look at what they have perhaps identify targets for next season?

The acid test will be over the summer in terms of what players he can keep and bring in this is where it will be tough but hopefully the Board will back him as much as possible.

Thursday is a good chance to ask questions of where Cookie thinks we are and his plans for developing the squad my only concern this season has been the amount of loanees in and out it must be difficult to produce a balanced side with that happening.

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as Disraeli once said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"

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average crowd 2001/02 (league only) 529

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Well gentlemen this thread has caused a stir! For what its worth, my opinion is that the managers job is partly about managing expectations. The fans, the media, the directors and probably most important the players. We all know mind games are used in football stick with the man. I for one am going to give him a good chance to achieve success. It will be a long and winding road, hopefully with some success along the way. But the club has to develope on and off the field. Don't raise the bar too high or you will always fail, maybe he is taking pressure off the players and hopes to get the best out of them in that way. Can't wait for tonight. Not much chance on paper, but who plays on paper. Up the Stanley..................

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Threads gone from financial, to promotion and now cooky being given time for his job.

Worlds gone mad ;)

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My opinion is polar opposite from the opening post; from what I've seen Paul Cook seems to bring a great positivity to the club. His tactics have been ambitious, interviews constructive and attitude a breath of fresh air.

I have put absolutely no importance on Cook's lack of mention of the play offs. I think Crown Grounder sums it up with the phrase 'managing expectations'. After losing big players at the start of his reign, much of his role has been to steady the ship. His focus has had to be elsewhere. The fact that he has approached this with such open football oozes positivity, in my opinion anyway.

Funny old game!

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If we are just focusing on pre/post match interviews, I'm in the same boat as ATC and Cashy (imagine that, it'd probably end up ran aground).

What you see as positivity, I see as hot air. What I see as realism, you see as negativity. It's down to the individual person and how they take it. There's no right or wrong here. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

I've ran out of cleches now. Oh wait, keep the faith. :)

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Very well said, Shaker!

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Has anyone else noticed that when the BBC football website previews our games the "Views from the dressing room" are ALWAYS manager views from our opponent's dressing room, not ours. I know our dressing rooms are crap but still.........!

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I am sure all managers know the need to put themselves across positively. To quote 1 Corinthians 14:8 "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"

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Job chapter 5 verse 7 - a man is borne unto trouble as surely as sparks fly up from the fire







It was my "Get out of Jail Free" card every time the local vicar caught me nicking his wine :hehetable

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Im an optimist. I hate failing to reach realistic targets (playoffs), which could have been achieved with what Coley left behind. Suppose im in denial of the taking 3 steps back approach particularly when taking that one step forward was within our grasps.

Im not for one minute questioning Cooks calibre or his work in developing the club on and off. The ship certainly needs steadying before we set sail on a voyage of success. Cook has it right: infrastructure, finances (players + staff), the community, they all need to be developed equally.

In shakermaker cliche mode:

No victory without fight, No rainbow without the rain, no love without hate.

No Stanley without Belief.

This thread seems to have derived a discussion with intellect for once on this forum. Good Stuff :)

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I eat my words.


All hail king cooky. That is what i want to hear.

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Well i,m that negative ive already got me season ticket fer next term.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: