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Wot no strikers starting:confused:?

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2-0 down .need to get sumthing out this game

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It would help if they weren't enjoying 61% of the possession.:(

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Need a point atleast bottom cuming to close . Cum on u reds

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Matt mcclure off for them

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Apologies didn't see that at least Padraig was on the pitch first time round.:eek:

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He apparently "assisted" both goals but apparently also scored the second one:confused:

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Gate - 1,050. This is what comes of poor home form.

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This was not good, even the Ultras were quiet, even with 10 men they were better than us. The defence was poor, with the attack not troubling their goalie

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Not good twas disgraceful no-one looked like they wanted the ball until Carver @ Lindfield came on, our defence was shocking. wycombes were tight n they certainly aint the best side that we played this season.:eek:

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For all the use he is he may well have stayed at home. Why Leam perseveres with him is beyond me. Carver showed he has more in his locker in the short time he was given. If Beattie continues to be unavailable I would go with Murph and Carver up front to give defenders something to think about. I thought Peter showed his best qualities going forward after half time. Podge is so easy to mark out of the game, it is almost embarrassing.
We were totally inept today, and continued with our kick and rush tactics even against the 10 men, continually over-hitting balls over the top and failing to make our 1 man advantage count. For once I think the MOM was the correct choice, as Lee was almost a one man attack in the second half.
At half time I was seriously considering leaving before full time, which would have been the very first time in my almost 60 years of watching footie. It was only the false hope that Wycombe gave by getting a man sent off which kept me till the bitter end with feet like blocks of ice.

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Just listened to Leam on fishy, he knows how poor they were today, didn't try to hide the fact, Lets hope he can get a positive reaction from this debacle.

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Absolutely awfull today, payed my money so I'm going to have a rant.

Bocco must be pulling his hair out, literally the only player who looked anything like

If the manager thinks Dixon, Carver and Clark are better options than Hatfield Mingoia Gray Chippendale Barnett Shepperd we are in serious trouble.

Dixon looks nowhere near ready for this level, people saying Carver did anything need to actually think about what he contributed apart from running around, Clark has shown during pre season that he's a million miles away from this level at the moment.

As for the regulars, Podge literally hasn't contributed anything for weeks, murphy and toto don't even talk to each other, Deano can't play right back, and our central midfield are not combative enough

I'd like to put a question out there; how much influence does the new coach have because ever since he came in a lot of the team selections and substitutions have been bizarre? One example today; mingoia Hatfield and Barnett left on the bench when we're looking for a goal, instead we put on an untried youth player, a player who I can't remember having a shot all season and a right back!!!!

Worrying times

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Who are you meaning by the new coach??? :)

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The bloke stood behind leam taking notes during games and talking to the subs before they go on - I'm assuming he's an addition to the coaching staff since leam took over

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Carver at least looked like he wanted the ball i said, is that difficult fer yeh too grasp Frank?:rolleyes: no-one endeared themselves to the fans this afternoon.

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Not difficult at all cashy, but my dog runs around after a ball at the park but I don't think he's getting in the squad for Tuesday;)

Btw what about Bocco, we'll be lucky to hold on to him in January especially if he has to put up with the crap around him like today.

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We looked a very poor side today, to be fair Wycombe had a good game their defence was efficient, Ainsworth had a super game and inspired his team, perhaps we should have put Leam on to inspire the reds

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I happen to think we've got enough in he squad for inspiration but not if they're sat on the bench or in the stand

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Agree with a lot that has been said on here, up until the last 10 minutes or so we were awful BUT do those who saw fit to boo the lads off at the end of the first half (& it sounded like there were quite a few) really believe that helped matters?
Sorry but I am of the mind that no matter what may be happening on the pitch, you do not boo your own team - disgraceful in my opinion.

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Off todays performance on that basis probably only Carver,Lindfield,Boco, Molyneaux, actually looked like they wanted the ball, most of the others should be ashamed of that display n should not be in the squad on tuesday. yer dog should stand a better chance.

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I didn't boo, but I didn't applaud them at the end, not being a hypocrite!

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Same here, for the same reasons too.

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Wycombe were a good, well organised and committed team. We were anything but.

For a good few weeks our defenders have seen far too much of the ball. Miller and Joyce should be the ones seeking forward passes - not Murphy or Toto. Our distribution has been woeful. The midfield is quite simply a mess. The players simply do not know what their individual roles are - where they should be playing or what they ought to be doing. The forward line - aka Padraig Amond - is a position wasted. It was bad enough when we were lumping the ball up to Podge, unrealistically expecting him to hold it up on his own. Now we don't even bother with that.

The formation is over-complicated and lacking in pragmatism in my opinion. To play 4-2-3-1 you need discipline and understanding when it comes to positioning. When played incorrectly the forward player becomes isolated, the midfield is exploited on the flanks and the defence is left exposed. Ring any bells?

We desperately need to revert to a functional formation such as 4-4-2 and build up from there.

The back line ought to be an immovable object. Winnard, Murphy, Nsiala and Liddle are all capable and competent defenders but the gaps between them are like the opening credits to Emmerdale. An ethos needs to be instilled of 'you shall not pass'.
The midfield has gone missing of late and needs to make itself known. Joyce is a quality holding midfield player and that should be his single role - break up, mop up and move it on. Take the pressure off him - he is not a creative player! Boco and Molyneux are great creative forces at this level and if given simple instructions to dominate the flank - rather than holding the ball up for advancing full backs - they will decimate the opposition. John Coleman strived for four centre backs across the back line rather than the modern roaming full back and it worked for a time. That's what we need at the moment, not Winnard and Liddle making painfully obvious overlapping runs. I must seem like I have a strange obsession with George Miller (this is only part true) but he is such a talent on the ball. Let him go forward and play the Scholes role, it is ready made for him.
Up front we need to double up. When Carver came on it showed not that he is a better forward than Amond - because he isn't yet - rather it showed that with two forwards we are able to work the opposition much better. One forward runs for the ball, the other runs into position. Beattie and Amond would be a great partnership but even in the absence of an injured Beats, Carver is hungry and fearless. I can only assume that Sheppard is either unfit or uninterested.

I apologise for yet another tactical rant but yesterday's display was simply diabolical for a professional outfit. League 2 tried its hand at nu-football formations but has now reverted back. The best teams this season are the most functional. We must bring some industry into our team to match our ability to play the ball. We are now 19th and will continue to slip unless things improve dramatically.

And... breathe.

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Perhaps Beattie if fit?

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many of the young players released by clubs higher up the pyramid are released not because they lack talent, but because they are that little bit short of what it takes to become a top class player - I would imagine that little bit is the ability to play disciplined tactical football.

I was fortunate enough not to see the dross yesterday but this formation doesn't seem to be taking off, might it be because of the consistent changing of personnel? Coley brought the formation to the club because he couldn't land a striker that pre-season, but he did stick with the same side pretty much week in week out enabling that side to get used to it.

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I'll put me boots in the car shall I Yonmon ? - at 69 I can't play for toffee any more but have learned to get nasty when roused !

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Disappointed yesterday,and the writing was on the wall after ten minutes.There are a couple of reasons,but we just defended far too deep and payed the price.
There goals summed this up,with a combination of ball watching and defending too deep.
First goal,Joyce's man received the ball on the edge of the box,and he's got ten yards of space to control and shot.
The shot got deflected into another players path,but toto was anchored on the six yard box waiting for something to happen instead of getting out or marking the player who the shot hit,schoolboy stuff really.
The second goal,toto again is five yards behind the defensive line,and watching the ball,un-aware his man has spun off him and just can't recover.
All basic defending really,but we are getting punished for our lack of experience and communication,this needs addressing and fast.
Another problem is we are not holding the ball up front,it doesn't matter how many you play up top,someone has to do it,and at present we aren't.
Playing bohan behind the the forward and Bocco out wide was a head scratcher,I would have gone with boco behind the front man and Linney out wide,although as speccies we don't know who's fit/carrying knocks etc..
In reality we have to get behind the team as the team is a young one,and added pressure will serve no purpose at all..

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Although some 'fans' were conspicuous by their absense yesterday, and some of us might cast a slight doubt or two now and again on our Forum, I feel sure that our wholehearted support is guaranteed F19..and Saturday's Pies were scrumptious !.

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Meat and potato I presume !!!

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Very disappointed yesterday. I can accept the fact that the team put out yesterday were inexperienced with an average age of 23, but I can't accept what appeared to be a lack of heart and confusion in what players are being asked to do.

Our team isn't good enough at this level to be without a more experienced outfield player or two and I urge the management team to think seriously about this in every team selection as I fear more outcomes like yesterday if not.

The spine in every team is fundamental and when I look at our team, we're weak in 2 of the 4 spine positions - whilst possessing some natural ability, Toto is a liability as you're not sure what he's going to do next, and whilst Amond's work rate cannot be faulted, his chance conversion rate is not good enough and the ball just doesn't stick when it goes up to him.

The formation should also be reviewed as 2 forwards working in tandem a more effective than a lone man.

I fear we're in for a long winter

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I wasn't there yesterday so perhaps I should not comment - but I will.

I don't share much of the negativity I read in some posts. I want to state what I see are the positives - in no particular order. The first is the Liddle/Molyneux partnership which gives us a left side as strong as any I have seen in League 2 this season. The second is George Miller who is emerging as a strong and inventive midfielder. The third is Rommy Boco, especially when playing in a central role.

What I perceive to have changed in the recent games I have seen is that where once Moly or Liddle would attack the opposition and cross the ball, there is now a tendency to stop, cut back and play the ball infield to Joyce or Miller. It is less obvious on the right because we don't have a settled combination there. But when Rommy and Craig Lindfield have been on the right, they too have been cutting back. This, of course, slows down any attack and gives opposition defenders the chance to regroup.

It seems to me that wingers are having to cut back because we do not have enough players in the correct positions quickly enough to attack crosses.

I'm not going to mention how porous or strong the defence is. That is irrelevant - what matters is that we score as many or more than the defence concedes.

As far as personnel are concerned, I think we must leave out Podge. James Beattie would be an automatic choice and it always seemed to me that Will Hatfield had the ability to be in the right place at the right time in the penalty area. If Beattie is unavailable, we really must have someone who makes life difficult for centre backs. As I and others have said, Peter Murphy fits the bill.

Yes, we are going through a sticky patch. I, for one, am confident that we will emerge from this and we will ultimately have a safe mid-table position.

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At this moment in time us scoring as many as we concede aint very likely, the defence was that bad yesterday.:eek: so to me our weakness yon is relevant. I am also confident we will emerge from this, but fer me youth is no excuse fer rank bad defending.Leam needs to educate these lads P.D.Q.;)

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We could do a lot worse than get Hughes back in Jan. imho.

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With regard to the dearth of goals which many Stanley fan has been bemoaning lately, can I, as one who admittedly doesn't have the Soccer nous of a Football19, Shakermaker, or, dare I whisper the name.... Cashy !, offer to our young Manager who some HAVE unkindly described as 'inexperienced', a few words of seasonal advice which he might want to pass on to his strikers...

1. Shooting - to be good at shooting you have to do shooting. If you are unable to do shooting then you won’t be able to do it well.
2. Kicking - Shooting uses a kicking motion. Practice your kicking motions in order to become more adept at the kicking part of the shooting process.
3. Kicking the ball - Crucial. If you kick air, a person, or any other object other than the ball, the ball is unlikely to move. You need to kick (see point 2) the ball to shoot.


See it's that simple really !.


Happy Christmas Leam and Co !...and a successful and injury- free 2013 !!.

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