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winstanley asfc 25-01-2013 16:16
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Yes i know that they couldn't avoid the drop with Rochdale last season, but that was in a higher division where small clubs like Rochdale and Stanley will always struggle to stay up. They have 4th division experience and they know the club(Stanley) inside out.:smoky:

cashman 25-01-2013 16:48
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They aint breaking any pots at Rochdale though in the 4Th Division, probably why they were dismissed.

jaysay 25-01-2013 17:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1038850)
They aint breaking any pots at Rochdale though in the 4Th Division, probably why they were dismissed.
Think its more to do with who came on the market just before the axe fell cashy;)

Doug 25-01-2013 19:40
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Mixed emotions on this matter, would love to see Coley and Jimmy back for the experience and the contact book.

I agree that Leam deserves a fair crack at the job but not at the expense of going down, if we drop down below the line in the next couple of games I think reinforcement of the manager's role will be essential. I don't think Stanley could survive another drop out of league football; times are hard and will get even harder before next season comes around.

We need a boost and a big one, yes get behind Leam and give him a fair shot, but I hope Leam can put the clubs future before pride and ask for help long before we slip beyond survival.

yerself 25-01-2013 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug
and the contact book.
The only numbers in this alleged book begin with 0151.

tazzydjr 26-01-2013 23:01
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He never fitted in with our Club his style of Football saw us lose almost 1000 Home Fan's this season i think it were the right choice that he were sacked his tactics were sussed by Opposition Football Team's which saw us only win 2 out of our last 11 games, i think he belongs with you lot at Stanley that's the only time ever saw him smile were when he were back there

LOVE THE DALE

jaysay 27-01-2013 09:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tazzydjr (Post 1039177)
He never fitted in with our Club his style of Football saw us lose almost 1000 Home Fan's this season i think it were the right choice that he were sacked his tactics were sussed by Opposition Football Team's which saw us only win 2 out of our last 11 games, i think he belongs with you lot at Stanley that's the only time ever saw him smile were when he were back there

LOVE THE DALE
For some one who LOVES THE DALE, 44 post on another teams webside says it all:rolleyes:

Revived Red 27-01-2013 10:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tazzydjr (Post 1039177)
He never fitted in with our Club his style of Football saw us lose almost 1000 Home Fan's this season i think it were the right choice that he were sacked his tactics were sussed by Opposition Football Team's which saw us only win 2 out of our last 11 games, i think he belongs with you lot at Stanley that's the only time ever saw him smile were when he were back there

LOVE THE DALE
Whatever you do, just don't give up on the English lessons. I see a comma in there so you must be on the right lines.

football19 27-01-2013 11:26
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It really does bug me when talking about managers,there only as good as the players they have !!!Football has not changed,still 22 players trying to get bag of air in the same size goals.
Pitches and fitness may have improved slightly,but the principles the same.
Managers don't necessarily make good coaches and visa versa.
The real key to be a good manager is attracting good players who they can trust to do a good job,simple really.
The players available really dictate your team set up,it's not rocket science.
Acci got to the playoffs because they had a good spine to the team in cask,Edwards,proccy,Ryan and gornell.
That's why new managers try and bring there own players in,would Beattie have come to acci if coley was in charge?.
Would half tha acci old team gone to rochdale if coley didn't go?
Leam can only be judged when its his team,until then we should back him 100%

cashman 27-01-2013 11:37
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very true, but convincing some of the numpties is another matter.:D

yerself 27-01-2013 11:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Revived Red
Whatever you do, just don't give up on the English lessons. I see a comma in there so you must be on the right lines.
According to Rochdale's forum this tazzy character's diluted.

tazzydjr 27-01-2013 13:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1039214)
For some one who LOVES THE DALE, 44 post on another teams webside says it all:rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1039245)
It really does bug me when talking about managers,there only as good as the players they have !!!Football has not changed,still 22 players trying to get bag of air in the same size goals.
Pitches and fitness may have improved slightly,but the principles the same.
Managers don't necessarily make good coaches and visa versa.
The real key to be a good manager is attracting good players who they can trust to do a good job,simple really.
The players available really dictate your team set up,it's not rocket science.
Acci got to the playoffs because they had a good spine to the team in cask,Edwards,proccy,Ryan and gornell.
That's why new managers try and bring there own players in,would Beattie have come to acci if coley was in charge?.
Would half tha acci old team gone to rochdale if coley didn't go?
Leam can only be judged when its his team,until then we should back him 100%
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1039247)
very true, but convincing some of the numpties is another matter.:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1039251)
According to Rochdale's forum this tazzy character's diluted.
This fancy Multi-Quote is new to me!! I know i have 40 odd posts on here sensible forum unlike the other, Coleman is suited to Accrington like Rafa is to Torres, i though. I'd give an opinion from a Rochdale Fans point of view and in reply to the last Quote their very childish over there aswell

LOVE THE DALE

cashman 27-01-2013 14:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tazzydjr (Post 1039260)
This fancy Multi-Quote is new to me!! I know i have 40 odd posts on here sensible forum unlike the other, Coleman is suited to Accrington like Rafa is to Torres, i though. I'd give an opinion from a Rochdale Fans point of view and in reply to the last Quote their very childish over there aswell

LOVE THE DALE
Can i ask why yer oer here when Rochdales yer team? Is it a case of "Billy No Mates" oer yon?:D

Revived Red 27-01-2013 14:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tazzydjr (Post 1039260)
This fancy Multi-Quote is new to me!! I know i have 40 odd posts on here sensible forum unlike the other, Coleman is suited to Accrington like Rafa is to Torres, i though. I'd give an opinion from a Rochdale Fans point of view and in reply to the last Quote their very childish over there aswell

LOVE THE DALE
I thought it couldn't get any worse - but it did.:eek: How right you are, though. You have 40 very odd posts indeed.:rolleyes:

football19 27-01-2013 14:57
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No problem with any fans from any club joining the debates,unless there are numpties,tazzy seems ok to me !,

cashman 27-01-2013 15:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1039276)
No problem with any fans from any club joining the debates,unless there are numpties,tazzy seems ok to me !,
Don't think anyone objects to fans from any club joining in? its yer opinion of numpties that worries me.:D

SamF 27-01-2013 17:27
Quote:
Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1039245)
It really does bug me when talking about managers,there only as good as the players they have !!!Football has not changed,still 22 players trying to get bag of air in the same size goals.
Pitches and fitness may have improved slightly,but the principles the same.
Managers don't necessarily make good coaches and visa versa.
The real key to be a good manager is attracting good players who they can trust to do a good job,simple really.
The players available really dictate your team set up,it's not rocket science.
Acci got to the playoffs because they had a good spine to the team in cask,Edwards,proccy,Ryan and gornell.
That's why new managers try and bring there own players in,would Beattie have come to acci if coley was in charge?.
Would half tha acci old team gone to rochdale if coley didn't go?
Leam can only be judged when its his team,until then we should back him 100%
By that logic, given the fact we do not have the resources to allow Leam create his own team in the next 2 weeks the logical thing to do would be to bring in a manager who can work with the squad we have?

cashman 27-01-2013 17:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SamF (Post 1039305)
By that logic, given the fact we do not have the resources to allow Leam create his own team in the next 2 weeks the logical thing to do would be to bring in a manager who can work with the squad we have?
Which aint logic at all, given that who yer on about,was no doubt on a much bigger salary,n how do yeh reckon he can work any better wi the squad Leam inherited from Cooky?:confused:

SamF 27-01-2013 17:53
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1039307)
Which aint logic at all, given that who yer on about,was no doubt on a much bigger salary,n how do yeh reckon he can work any better wi the squad Leam inherited from Cooky?:confused:
Salary aside, which I give you could be a factor - the squad we have now its Cooky's and his style is pretty close to Coley's - suicidal fullbacks aside. From what Ive seen Leam wants to play the traditional lower league hoof ball - which I dont knock it can be very effective - hell look where Stevenage are compared to us. But the fact is you cant play that sort of game with our squad - which was built for passing football.

jaysay 27-01-2013 18:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1039245)
It really does bug me when talking about managers,there only as good as the players they have !!!Football has not changed,still 22 players trying to get bag of air in the same size goals.
Pitches and fitness may have improved slightly,but the principles the same.
Managers don't necessarily make good coaches and visa versa.
The real key to be a good manager is attracting good players who they can trust to do a good job,simple really.
The players available really dictate your team set up,it's not rocket science.
Acci got to the playoffs because they had a good spine to the team in cask,Edwards,proccy,Ryan and gornell.
That's why new managers try and bring there own players in,would Beattie have come to assi if coley was in charge?.
Would half the acci old team gone to rochdale if coley didn't go?
Leam can only be judged when its his team,until then we should back him 100%
Think your post is a very good synopsis of football club management football19, but I have to disagree about only being as good as the players they have, some people have the Midas touch, they say you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear, but some managers do. its a fallacy about Buying success, look at QPR, 21 internationals and probably one of the best managers around but :eek::eek: Good managers have that certain something, they can turn average players into a very coordinated team, look what Clough did at Forest in the late 70s. Coley and Bell were great for Stanley, but their time has been, in my oppinion if they came back Stanley would be worse off, better to stick with Richardson. I've watch my team destroyed over the last two years by clowns who haven't a clue how to run a football club or a football team hence we've had 5 flaming managers in that time a certain recipe for disaster. I hope Stanley don't go down the same route a third manager this season would just about crucify the club, and should be avoided at all costs

cashman 27-01-2013 18:14
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Can't agree Sam that Cookys style was very similar to Coleys, I enjoyed the football the snakes team played, endured coleys stuff. Whilst its been said millions of times Coley did a great job fer us, As far as i'm concerned that was as far as it would go n am near sure Coley knew that as well.

football19 27-01-2013 18:39
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Jaysay,I understand what your saying,but cloughy and other managers got proven players and re-motivated them,when he didn't have his own players,he didn't last long,ie Leeds,who were a top team when he took over.That's why managers returning to there old clubs seldom work as normally the players who got him success have moved on.
Regarding Sams comments on coleys style of play,just read previous match reports around this time of the year,and he normally went long as well!!,mainly due to pitch conditions,quite a few posters disagreed with this policy.

jaysay 28-01-2013 10:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by football19 (Post 1039326)
Jaysay,I understand what your saying,but cloughy and other managers got proven players and re-motivated them,when he didn't have his own players,he didn't last long,ie Leeds,who were a top team when he took over.That's why managers returning to there old clubs seldom work as normally the players who got him success have moved on.
Regarding Sam's comments on coleys style of play,just read previous match reports around this time of the year,and he normally went long as well!!,mainly due to pitch conditions,quite a few posters disagreed with this policy.
That was a very poor example Clough at Leeds that was prima dona player power nothing else, they didn't, no should I say wouldn't put up with the way cloughey worked, and the directors bottled it. managers going back is much the same as players going back that rarely works either, you can't turn the clock back

Alvin the chipmunk 28-01-2013 13:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1039319)
Can't agree Sam that Cookys style was very similar to Coleys, I enjoyed the football the snakes team played, endured coleys stuff. Whilst its been said millions of times Coley did a great job fer us, As far as i'm concerned that was as far as it would go n am near sure Coley knew that as well.
"Endured" the play-off season? "Endured" 3 promotions and numerous cup runs? Goodness that must have been terrible to endure. :rolleyes:

There has always been a spate of negativity surrounding Coleman...even when he was here you sensed some where willing him to fail and begrudgingly had to concede when we had success.

Imo comparing anybody to Coley, especially Leam is unfair. The level of success Coley brought was unprecedented and we will never see it's like again. If Leam can stabilise and get us consistent top half finishes that will have been an excellent job.

cashman 28-01-2013 13:15
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When yeh advance leagues alvin, the standard obviously rises, Difficult to grasp fer some granted.:rolleyes:

maccawozzagod 28-01-2013 14:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1039473)
When yeh advance leagues alvin, the standard obviously rises, Difficult to grasp fer some granted.:rolleyes:

and so did Coley, Mullers, Proccy etc (many said that both of those would need replacing with every promotion :rolleyes:)

Coley had his doubters for sure, and probably because he was very unprofessional in many senses. He suited the club at the time but it is true that behind the scenes we have moved on from much of what was bad during his reign (not bad due to him I might add). But lets not pretend that we're not still tinpot, or the worst supported club, or the most poorly facilitated. Coley would still be the most perfect fit manager out there for us, and it is true that some managers and clubs are just perfect fits.

I wouldn't for one minute sack Leam and reinstate the Genial one, but I wouldn't be crying about it if it did happen.

Whilst I'm on me soapbox I'd also add that Coley absolutely would save us from the drop. He fought long and hard to get this club to where it is now and wouldn't let that go without a fight.

Over the last two or three years we have lost practically every man that you could ever hang your hat on as "Mr Accrington Stanley in the public eye", Eric, Coley, Mullin, Procter were all public figures that were synonymous with the club, now only Rob Heys really carries that mantle. Whilst I have every respect for Rob and the job that he does, his public persona is one for the suits and Chamber of Commerce rather than a sleeves rolled up in the trenches to identify with the common man. If Coley were to ever come back he would be that man again and if we could combine what we have acheived back room since he left with that persona then we could be back in business again with the general public.

DAV007 02-02-2013 16:07
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Coley & Jimmy SOS (save our season)

cashman 02-02-2013 16:09
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Thought the Panto season had finished.:rolleyes:

smobile 02-02-2013 16:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1040368)
Coley & Jimmy SOS (save our season)
DAV007 SOS (Sod off Simpleton)

DAV007 02-02-2013 16:14
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Keep ignoring the facts lads, and keep blindly supporting the worst manager in the football league

cashman 02-02-2013 16:17
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Better just ignoring you i think. yeh probably wouldn't be saying that if leam was one of yer scouse mates.

DAV007 02-02-2013 16:22
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Got alot of time for Liam as a player and as a person.
But the facts remain football league management is a step to far for the lad.
The team have no idea how to win and he has no idea how to change a game.

Time to act while we are still out of the relegation zone and while Coleman remains available.

jaysay 03-02-2013 08:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1040374)
Keep ignoring the facts lads, and keep blindly supporting the worst manager in the football league
and what makes you think the coley would have a magic wand, there is one thing for sure, it would take him around ten matches to work things out, Stanley don't have that cushion

DAV007 03-02-2013 08:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1040444)
and what makes you think the coley would have a magic wand, there is one thing for sure, it would take him around ten matches to work things out, Stanley don't have that cushion

10 matches? Says who?
The alternative is 10 more defeats with Liam in charge.
Coleman is the right man for the job, he has proven it time and time again.

smudgie 03-02-2013 09:28
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Well said Macca, a great post.

As much as Coley had his faults, of which he had many. Nobody is perfect.

But for me, he could be the man to save the Stanley.

jaysay 03-02-2013 09:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1040448)
10 matches? Says who?
The alternative is 10 more defeats with Liam in charge.
Coleman is the right man for the job, he has proven it time and time again.
Think you may find that Mr. Coleman hasn't got that magic wand you think he has, a returning Manager seldom works at any level;)

yerself 03-02-2013 12:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DAV007
Coleman is the right man for the job, he has proven it time and time again.
What happened at Rochdale then? :D:rolleyes:

mab 04-02-2013 11:23
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:) After Blackpool job JC n JB so i 've heard this morning :)

Fourth official 04-02-2013 12:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mab (Post 1040606)
:) After Blackpool job JC n JB so i 've heard this morning :)

Sure I can find them a bucket and spade each!!:rolleyes:

MikeA 04-02-2013 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mab (Post 1040606)
:) After Blackpool job JC n JB so i 've heard this morning :)
Doesn't even get a mention at the bookies...
Blackpool Specials Next Permanent Manager Betting Odds | Football Betting | Oddschecker

jaysay 04-02-2013 17:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeA (Post 1040643)
Get yourself down the the Bookies Mike you'll make a killing:D

nige b 04-02-2013 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeA (Post 1040643)
There are 60 names on there and not Coley. Somehow don't think he'll get it!

Fourth official 05-02-2013 07:28
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Must be the favourite,as according to DAV007 the Blackpool players would walk over hot sand for Coley !! or is it hot coals,whatever.:rolleyes:

MikeA 05-02-2013 17:33
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There's a decent article about John and Jimmy on this blog, Sport NW:
Coleman won?t be summarising long ? Sport NW

It looks like it's written by Jim Wilkinson, ex Accy Observer.

I hadn't seen this blog before but it's well worth a look. The Stanley pages are here:
> Accrington Stanley ? Sport NW

widnes viking 06-02-2013 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 1039478)
and so did Coley, Mullers, Proccy etc (many said that both of those would need replacing with every promotion :rolleyes:)

Coley had his doubters for sure, and probably because he was very unprofessional in many senses. He suited the club at the time but it is true that behind the scenes we have moved on from much of what was bad during his reign (not bad due to him I might add). But lets not pretend that we're not still tinpot, or the worst supported club, or the most poorly facilitated. Coley would still be the most perfect fit manager out there for us, and it is true that some managers and clubs are just perfect fits.

I wouldn't for one minute sack Leam and reinstate the Genial one, but I wouldn't be crying about it if it did happen.

Whilst I'm on me soapbox I'd also add that Coley absolutely would save us from the drop. He fought long and hard to get this club to where it is now and wouldn't let that go without a fight.

Over the last two or three years we have lost practically every man that you could ever hang your hat on as "Mr Accrington Stanley in the public eye", Eric, Coley, Mullin, Procter were all public figures that were synonymous with the club, now only Rob Heys really carries that mantle. Whilst I have every respect for Rob and the job that he does, his public persona is one for the suits and Chamber of Commerce rather than a sleeves rolled up in the trenches to identify with the common man. If Coley were to ever come back he would be that man again and if we could combine what we have acheived back room since he left with that persona then we could be back in business again with the general public.

Excellent post - every word spot on

lancsdave 24-04-2013 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mab (Post 1040606)
:) After Blackpool job JC n JB so i 've heard this morning :)

Couple of months down the line and you might have been right about the lure of the seaside. According to Radio Cumbria he's on the short list at Southport.

cashman 24-04-2013 21:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1055290)
Couple of months down the line and you might have been right about the lure of the seaside. According to Radio Cumbria he's on the short list at Southport.
Would hope he gets the job if its true, That would really be summat else,if he could get Southport back in league.:)

football19 24-04-2013 21:43
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Southport went out the league in 78 and Wigan moved up from the northern prem.How times have changed,8 seasons in prem league,league cup final and now FA cup final !!!

cashman 24-04-2013 21:49
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Exactly what i'm meaning,they have been in oblivion many years,like Stanley were, Snake got sacked yon, Would love Coley to get the job n do summat wi em.;)

football19 24-04-2013 21:53
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Perfect fit for John and jimmy IMHO

DAV007 24-04-2013 23:57
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Are Southport part time or full time?

winstanley asfc 25-04-2013 00:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1055315)
Are Southport part time or full time?
Part time.

Tony McMillan in line for landmark Southport FC day - the ?best part-time goalkeeper in the country? - Other Football News - Sport - Liverpool Echo

So Coley might have to return to teaching as well, if he gets the job. :rolleyes:

ddevil2006 25-04-2013 16:21
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thats a pre season friendly them

fatgaz182 25-04-2013 23:48
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Coley and Bellend are apparently appear at AFC Darwen on't 6th May for a charity match against Blackburn Leg Ends (including Patty).

MikeA 26-04-2013 07:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fatgaz182 (Post 1055523)
Coley and Bellend are apparently appear at AFC Darwen on't 6th May for a charity match against Blackburn Leg Ends (including Patty).
It looks like a cause that's well worth supporting:
SAM SHAW APPEAL - AFC DARWEN


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