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Rochdale fans get what they wanted!, Cant see him being out of work for too long.

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"Rochdale Football Club has today terminated the contract of the Manager John Coleman and Assistant Manager Jimmy Bell.

Chairman Christopher Dunphy stated the regrettable decision has been made following the Club’s recent run of poor form. This decision was not taken lightly and was made following extensive discussions at board level.

The Club would like to thank both John and Jimmy for all their hard work and endeavours over the last 12 months and would like to wish them well for the future.

The Club hope to name their replacement before we travel to Cheltenham for our next League Match on Friday evening."

Was always going to happen, really .....................:o

But they appear to have someone lined up! :D

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Last time he was sacked, by Ashton United I recall he wasn't out of work for too long. Wonder how that turned out.....;)

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What go,es round comes round as they say :):) Leam could do with a second in command and maybe we could pick up a couple of bargin basement players as well.

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So much respect for leam and he is doing the best he can, but I really do feel he's struggling and out of his depth.Id love leam to be a success with us, but i cant see it happening.If coley came back now we will stay up, if not i fear for us big time.

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Disagree,simple as.

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Just my thoughts on things
I wonder if the snake has caught scent up at dale, wouldnt surprise me

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Um what goes around comes around, the grass is always greener

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Thing is Rob, wi our funds he was obviously on a much higher wage than our new manager will be, at Stanley? so therefore what little funds we have would be better spent backing Leam, not rocket science to me,:)

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They didn't even get a year under their belts. 3 days short in fact. That's modern football for you.

Good luck to them both.

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I don’t think the Dale board had a lot of alternative
He may have got away with the bad run of results but not the drop off in attendance figures. When he took over at Spotland the common attendance was around 2600
now it’s more often around 1600

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At the beginning of September last year I asked Paddy Power if they would give me odds on Rochdale sacking Coleman before the end of the season, they said they weren't offering odds on that particular market.:rolleyes:
If he comes back to Stanley I, for one, won't be.

Id have him back in a flash, whilst we still have some footballing players lets have a footballing manager.

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I would not like Coleman back at Stanley, Give Leam till end of season at least

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Are you gonna fund his wage then Sam?:rolleyes:

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The time is now....

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Cashy seems to have it about right.Bringing in cooky and leam probably saved the club a lot of money,and even more when cooky left !!!.
If he gets a good compo deal,wonder if he would come back for peanuts?? And help out !!

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Jimmy back ples. No john thanks

It'd be cheaper than dropping out of the league

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am I hearing you right,
Are you saying that if Leam stays in charge we are going down
But if we take Colly back we will survive

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John and Jimmy will always be great friends of our club. Their availability will always be mentioned around here as long as they are still in the game and we are still in existence, such is our affinity for the pair. I'm disappointed to see they've been laid off after trying their hand at a new challenge and hope they get back into work soon. If we were lacking a manager I'd be calling for their signatures again, as it is I think Leam deserves more respect.

Best of luck to the golden, balding duo. Hope they get another chance in the game soon.

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Whilst I can find some sentiment in what you are saying, JC and JB back at Stanley - NO. If we are to find someone to assist Leam, I would like to propose Keith Hill before he gets re-hired by The Dale.
I have a lot of respect for the two of them, for dragging the club up from what is now the 8th tier to League football, but they left and they will not be the same coming back to the club. As I say, get an experienced League 2 manager like Keith Hill to assist Leam up till the end of the season. Hard I know, but that is reality.

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couldn't agree more Shakey. I'd have them back straight away if we were without a manager, but we aren't so Leam should be backed to the hilt.

First of all I'd say its bang on that he'll be after the Rochdale job, but regardless of that what on earth would any experienced L2 manage want to play second fiddle to a novice? :confused:

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Don't know how the compo would work as on a rolling 12 month deal and only 3 days before they need a renewal so would that mean 3 days worth of wages?

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I think rolling 12 month means it's always a 12 month contract.

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No 12 month rolling means that at any given point in time the other party is entitled to year's notice. So your scenario would only apply in the unlikely event Coley and Jimmy were given a year's notice as soon as they started!

I did post on here on the thread about Coley's job being precarious that Keith Hill had just been sacked at Barnsley. Wonder whether and to what extent the managerial merry go round will now go into reverse.

I reckon so. Even if we did go down with Coley they would be entertaining. Leam's brand of football thus far is dull and ineffective.

I think he was the only man for the job at the time, stepped up before he was ready and fair play to him he's given it a go.

For me Leam is out of his depth for now, there is no shame in it but for the sake of his own career he'd be best stepping back and learning his trade a little longer.

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I'm not saying I'd welcome John and Jimmy back, but I'll repeat my view, that, despite giving it his best, Leam is not up to the task at hand, and needs some help.

I don't know whether bringing a new manager in at this point would improve our survival chances or not, although I'd have a higher confidence with John and Jimmy than Leam, Paul and James, however there are times when we simply can't see what's best for us and I feel the board should be moving heaven and earth to bring some experienced support in for Leam and insist on this course of action. Leadership is about making brave decisions and this is a time for leadership.

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For my two penneth.............

I remember when Coley & Bell first took the helm back in the Unibond days...Their first season in charge was hardly a rip-roaring tale of success as we limped into mid table.But what followed was unprecedented success,season upon season improvement and a meteoric rise from the obscurity of the Unibond to where we are now.:D

As much as I appreciate what Coley & Bell did for Stanley, I don't go along with the sentiments of a few on this thread who'd ditch Leam now in an effort to stave off the "dreaded drop" by appointing the dynamic duo.:(

O.K. Leam's record isn't great at the moment, but let's not forget that he's inherited a squad (which in the majority of the players ) was put together by another bloke and has very little resources to try and change things. I've been encouraged by Leam's signings. At least they show that he is trying to address the problem areas.:o

I don't think Coley & Bell would be able to wave some sort of imaginary "magic wand" and suddenly all the pieces of the jigsaw fall into place and we make a dramatic U turn in form.:(

And having Coleman & Bell back would be a bit similar to taking back an ex-partner who dropped you for somebody else. No matter how much you're attracted to them, you'd always be wondering whether they're planning the next move away to "greener pastures".:eek:

If we can steer clear of the drop this term, Leam will have had his "baptism of fire". He'll be a stronger and better manager for the experience and for me the board have to stand firmly behind the man and back him. If that means giving him money to spend, be it on players, wages or backroom staff then so be it.

I don't think there's a quick fix and chopping and changing things just for the sake of change doesn't work in the majority of cases.:(

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Incorrect. Coley took over after our first ever relegation with the club in crisis and languishing in the Unibond 1st Division. Mid-table for a long time he oversaw a miraculous run of wins towards the end of the season culminating in promotion during that glorious game against Farsley where Coley himself bagged. Sorry to be pedantic but cant let such a glorious season be forgotten!! :)

Agree with many other points though :)

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Coley and Bell dumped us mid season. Given the great things they helped the club achieve, I spare them the disgrace of being ranked equal (by me) to that snake Cook. I have no wish to see them back..... Get behind Leam and stay there , at least till seasons end.

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...I wonder if Bell returned, would McConville????....

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Bringing coley back to assist Leam would be a definite non-starter for me as some have suggested. It would destroy Leams confidence no end. However, what about jimmy coming in to assist Leam as a possible number 2? He knows what it takes and has no apparent designs on the top job, otherwise he would have thrown his hat in the ring when coley walked.

At least until the end of the season.

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its not rocket science,liam is out of his depth as the past results show,and for all the sniping about jc and jb leaving the club when they did asfc have got worse since they left,jc was the most successfull manager in the history of asfc,and i for one hope that the jc jb management duo come back to where they belong at asfc as soon as possible because with their motivation asfc can climb out of the mess they are currently in,its a no brainer asfc,s most successfull management duo are available, YOU cant cut off your nose to spite your face,they may have left under a cloud but the cloud hovering over asfc now is the cloud of relegation,there was fun and passion with jc and jb there is no passion at all now,i think liam should step back and admit he is out of his depth and stay on in a coaching capacity, BRING BACK THE BEST DUO IN ASFC HISTORY BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

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As supporters get behind Leam (and that is how it is spelt !!),he is working hard to get it right.One or two on here need to read the Rochdale forum,as to why there fans were calling for Coleman to go,drop in attendances,discipline issues (both players and management),a team full of ex Accy players,poor quality of football , the fact he went to Dubai for a week during the season etc.

Leam is restricted with the budget,and the fact that Cook signed a lot of players on loan to seemingly just sit in the stand.He now has January were hopefully he can start to shape his side.

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i am not one for criticising peoples spelling or,punctuation but please could you at least make, an attempt to, do this valid as,your points are alan,they are,very difficult to understand if they,are just banged ,out on the, keyboard with a load of commas stuck,in there for good measure without the slightest thought,for a full stop, going back in time has never done anyone, any good just as liverpool and kenny dalglish or even marty mcfly could tell you, keep the faith in leam and, all will be, good starting, this weekend at plymouth,

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Well, here is an opportunity for the Board of Directors!

Let's see what wisdom and judgement they have, results affect attendances and income for the club which will affect the clubs survival and also which league they play in.

How much ambition and common sense do they have? :hidewall:

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Its never the same the second time around, and rarely ever works, better to keep on the straight and narrow and keep the status quo, at least to the end of the season, panicking into sacking or asking Liam to stand down would knock confidence in the squad, something that needs to be built on not destroyed

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" Its never the same the second time around, and rarely ever works, better to keep on the straight and narrow and keep the status quo, at least to the end of the season".

I totally agree, Stop living in the past.

Whats next? "Bring back Stan the Monkey".

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Bring back Coleman and Bell, they are the best thing to happen to Accrington since 1968.

The horrible bitterness on this forum is the reason why I hardly bother posting here anymore.

To many negative people, with short term memories and personal vendettas.

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Your wrong mate, I spoke to one of the players about the idea and he was very excited, Coleman and Jimmy would boost morale.

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Thank goodness there are more voices of reason on here than those calling for Coley & Jimmy to come back, no disrespect to them & I wish them luck in finding a new club which I'm sure they will do soon but this is a new era at Stanley & although we're in a bit of a slump right now the fans need to back Leam & the boys to the hilt.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that it was their decision to go onwards & what they hoped would be upwards, just because it didn't quite work out for them at Dale doesn't mean we should immediately offer them a bolt-hole at Stanley, for a start, as others have said, Leam deserves much more respect than that.

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Who was that then ? Sean McConville ? :D

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Take a look where its happened at other clubs usually ends up in tears, even so there is no telling whether coley and Bell would want to return, some managers also have a mind set of not going back

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Well i aint missed yeh.:rolleyes: Bitterness yer talking crap as usual!! no-one i know wishes Coley n Jimmy any ill, n hopes they soon get fixed up. But as usual,if it don't fit your agenda.:rolleyes:

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Surely part of what makes Stanley unique is the way we support our people and not resort to the kneejerk quickfix actions of other outfits. Of course Leam has to learn his trade, just like any one else and given lack of resources he probably has the hardest job in the league. But I refuse to become a fairweather supporter and thus will still be behind Leam even if we do drop a division. Best wishes to John 'n Jimmy, but Leam is king here now and long may he reign.

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Can see both points of view,and the real question is do we run with loyality or common sense.
We are in the relegation mix,thats a fact,so do we go for experience or youth?.
The managerial side is a little like the playing side,which route do you opt for?
Although, not always the right choice,i am one who would choose loyality everytime,so its Leam for me ;)

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Keith hill appointed at Dale until the end of the season. No shock there then.

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Bet club hav phoned jc & jb all ready about helping out until end season. To stop us going down.

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It will only be until the end of the season too ;)

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I hope they get fixed up soon otherwise we may have a thread to rival the one about "you know who" :eek:

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You would rather play non league football?
Loyalty is worth more than league status?
Do you understand how much dropping out the league would cost the club and im not only talking about financially?
Accrington Stanley and its existence was not in the conciousness of the footballing world other than its naming in a milk advert prior to winning the conference.
A return to the non league has a major affect not only on the club but indirectly the town.
Although maybe the town will get what it wished for by failing to get behind the club.

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DAV007 - Are you by any chance a friend of someone named "Malcolm the Mole" ?

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Dont particularly want JC & JB back, but would take them or even the Snake (god forgive me) in place of the current manager.

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[QUOTE=smobile;1038213]DAV007 - Are you by any chance a friend of someone named "Malcolm the Mole" ?[/QUOTE]

Aagh!

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Would that be the same people who saw the club go under rather than raise money for the SOS appeal ?

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Who are we? ................... Accrington Stanley.

Who is our manager? .........Leam Richardson.

What division are we in?......Division 2.

What do we desire?............To stay in division 2 this season.

What do we need to do?......Support our team and manager!

................"Simples.com!"

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Thats correct, but convincing the whining doom merchants is another matter.:rolleyes:

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According to this list of 205 players Accy 1968 onwards, Coley and Jimmy never played for the club! How many others are missing? I can think of quite a few.

Category:Accrington Stanley F.C. players - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I make it 728 players have played competitive (inc LancsCup) games for us since 1970.

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I have to disagree with Davo,it wouldn't be such a disaster if we went down to the BSP, as long as the club operates within its means.All the clubs are full time and its a very competitive league,indeed generally all the promoted clubs do well in the league.
Lot of good teams in it as well,Luton,macc,Grimsby,Lincoln to name a few ,will testify to this.
We operate with a mid BSP team budget,so it wouldn't kill us like a lot of other teams,and we shouldn't forget what debt nearly did to the club not long ago

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Care to update the list, Rob?

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You mean I was one of only a handful of people who could see through the Lies of O'neill?
Yes, thats me.

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But why accept relegation as our fate?
Why did we bother getting promoted in the first place?
Football league status is our title, we should fight to keep it.
If that means bringing in a proven former manager at the expense of an unproven current manager (whos current record is bad), then so be it.

football league status is huge.

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If it means supporting the current manager n the team so be it, But then hes not scouse is he.:rolleyes:

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mr coleman was on radio lancashire tonight talking about him being sacked on the sports at 6pm .. he says no manager should start panicking if they see him in the stands as he goes to watch football anytime he can ... oh and its on radio lancs if you want to listen to it yourself. oh and for the time being hes doing some commentating for radio lancs ...

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generally I'm not arsed about 'status', one league or another I'll always be a Stanley fan. However, it would be a disaster for our club in the sense that so much of what is currently good about the club would possibly have to be sidelined. I dont know the exact figures anymore but we get a goodly chunk of money for the Youth set-up and as far as I know the community side of things is largely dependent on FL cash.

I hope I'm wrong on both counts because if we do go down it would be a shame to see either of these essential elements get benched. We've spent far too long without any semblance of community work and now more than ever we need it to continue.

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I think being relegated would be a disaster. We do operate with the smallest budget in the league, but there's something special about the place and ex players mostly reflect on their time with us with warmth - the number of ex players you see around the ground watching a game is testament to that.

Football League status brings with it a level of kudos not to mention the financial rewards. Our football league place was hard won and we've done remarkably well to continually punch above our weight to retain it. Let's not give it up as I fear, if we do, if will be a long time before we get near getting it back

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Got to agree, so much would be lost dropping down to the Conference, plus the gates are no great shacks now but what would they be like in non-league

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In a strange sort of way, probably better than they are now, albeit an increase in away fans. Geographically League 2 is terrible for Stanley at the moment.

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This is the whole point though isn't it. We got better gates in the BSP before promotion, I won't comment about the money due to the regime that was in place then. But as LancsDave states, we would possibly be better off. It took the club 40 odd years to regain league status, I somehow don't think it will be that long again if we got relegated. Yes it is a constant struggle for the club. Certainly I had high hope for this season, however with the snake now gone, Leam is the boss, I know, I have actually called for some assistance to him, yet look at who is in the club now. The ex-assistant to Lee Clark when he was manager at a successful Huddersfield. Give Leam a chance to turn it round, but if we go down it is not the disaster you paint. I remember when team such as York were playing BSP when they had been in the league for such a long time, yet we played them and beat them. We can certainly do it again if we have too.

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I wouldn't put money on it Dave

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I think you'll find there's a good hanfull uf them who are part-time; Southport, Bath and Telford spring to mind. Clubs relegated to the Conference also lose out on significant funding from the League and the Premiership TV monies. Have a look at this statement about Hereford's finances:
Club Statement On Finances

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so in a nutshell, relegation means a first season half million pound loss of funding, rising to 3/4 million for subsequent seasons. Hereford are operating in non-league with a wage bill of £924,000 - nearly twice our budget.

that article mentions monthly payments of £40k from the FL as a member of the 92 ... equivalent to our wage bill. So we are spending on wages what we are guaranteed from the FL.

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Steady, lads, steady.
Obviously relegation from the League will be a very serious blow; but not to the same extent as in 1962.
I too have concerns that Mr. Richardson may struggle to keep the team up, but I backed him when both Messrs Coleman and Cook departed, and am not going to join those who seem to think we should, or could, parachute some miracle-worker manager in.
We've had references to Macclesfield on here but don't forget that, after a 14 game without a win, their manager was sacked and Brian Horton was brought in during March. They still went down. And, Coleman himself failed to keep Rochdale in League 1 having joined them twelve months ago.
Miracle managers are beloved by the media gossips and premier league's foreign owners, but I'm not sure they are the answer to the life and death struggle of a small but proud club.
The odd win would be useful.

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Agree exile,what i was trying to say is our clubs wages etc.. are more akin to the BSP,so although disappointing it wouldnt be a disaster.
Getting relegated from the prem league and not getting back straight away is a disaster!!,in money terms around 60 million when the new deal kicks in.

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Oh for the problems that Premier league clubs have, F19 !
;)
(actually, they're welcome to all their money; it comes at too high a price for my liking)

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It would be a disaster in my book, having waited since 1962 fer a return.:eek: younger uns may not see that fact.:rolleyes:

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There isn't a club in any division that haven't got some debt, it how that debt is managed Red

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If we go down it will be only one way down down down until its a call to sos again. Stop the rot. Win games leam/co

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6 Pages and 84/5 posts long just because The dale sacked jc and jb, great for stanley while they we're here and i/we thank them for what they acheived for stanley! But not so good for The dale simple as. But that's football!!Leam is our Manager and long my it continue:) lets put this thread to bed and get on with backing Leam to get the points required... on stanley on....:)

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Until we lose at Plymouth,Then sparks will fly once more

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Think the club want support not a doubting Thomas:rolleyes:

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;)

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Johnny Coleman football genius

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Sure I have read that a few times on the Rochdale forum :rolleyes:

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I've heard that a short, bald-headed bloke with a scouse accent has been sighted at the Store First Stadium three or four times since Coleman's sacking was announced.

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For a minute there, I thought you were referring to the great man himself, until I read your post again and noticed you had omitted the word fat from your description :p

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Mullers was up there a couple of days ago, hope that means he's coming out of retirement to save us!

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Love that sense of humour.:D:D:D:D

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I originally put short, rotund, bald headed bloke but I thought he might take offence.;)

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I'd have taken a gate as well, never mind afence:D

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I reckon Morecambe will be sniffing around JC and JB! Get in there before they do!
We need them back to save us from the drop!

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Yeh mean like they saved Rochdale?:rolleyes:

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everyone is entitled to express an opinion, but personally I cannot see JC & JB able to serve the club better than L R