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Can remember talking to some Scunny fans in oaklea a couple of years back Davo, they thought same as tazzy,they loved Jimmy Ryan but thought Bobby was a NO-NO.:eek: Perhaps that says stanley fans are happy wi a lower standard?:eek::confused:

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Just been down Accy, W H Smith have run out of Scouse phrase books.

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and toilet paper to wipe all the bullsh*t up

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Whoever the board choose as our new manager, he will be the best that the club can afford and I feel sure that once the choice is made the fans will give him their full support

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I've heard it's Steve Evans with Westley as Number 2 :eek:

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No, no, I don't like it, Smobile!!!:eek::eek::eek:

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I did say who the club could afford, I don't think Rotherham would let him go for 2 mars bars & a snicker

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:) For what we are about to recieve may we be truely thankfull :)

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Check out the BBC football page for us. Done and dusted it would appear.

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Well DAV007 your prayers may well be about to be answered with with the return of the double act, after reading this thread if ya where thinking of sorting a welcome home party for em I would suggest somewhere small and intimate....To me this appointment would be a backward step as when they where here last any vacancy that came up JC and JB were linked with it and eventually the inevitable happened and they went to pastures new and FAILED,even looking through your watery eyes and those rose tinted glasses you wear I (personal opinion) cannot see how bringing em back is good for the club we have moved on..
to be honest I do admire your forthright approach towards anybody who is not in (your opinion) your camp but I feel to be accusing a man who only missed TWO away games last season of not being a true fan is beyond the pale.
anyway each to their own this is a public message board and everybody will have an opinion (their own)
I really hope if the dynamic duo return I hope it works out for you and you can say I told you so because if it dont I would be buying a tin hat an keeping my head down ......lol

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Why has he suddenly become Honest?

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The last time this re-appointment situation was mooted I posted on here that I would approach the Crown ground without the normal spring in my step if it came to pass. I was accused by Davoo7 of almost treason, but I still feel the same way and wish this was not going to happen.

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Nice Stanley convert. :)

I've been away for a while; can someone tell me when these things hit the fishy site. Will it be the old "Next Week" or do we pretend it's not important enough to matter.

I can't hide the fact that I'm not displeased that the duo are coming back. I only hope that we can look on it as a new page and give them time to mould the lads into a table climbing team before the New Year. It shouldn't be about old fears and opinions of what as gone before; but what we want them to achieve on our behalf now they are back; hopefully this will be a successful forward thinking club that can punch above its weight and budget. I also hope that they get amongst the fans and make us a wholly inclusive Team.

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Can only hit the fishy site when there is something to be announced that is fact and not rumour :)

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Looks like I am off to collect my money, It really was a no brainer, confirmed by Coley attending last Sat game. Ah well it could be worse, just get us up the League John and people will forget the odd fault.

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And what will become of paul stevenson and the rest of the backroom staff will they be kept on in coleys new world ???

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I was told the terrible twins attending last sats game, was booked weeks prior? also they left right away after the game? so that dont confirm owt, but i still think yeh won yer bet Long Time Red.:D;)

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Whilst I don't agree with much of Davo's revisionist assessment of the abilities and charms of Professor Coleman and Ding Dong, I admire his dogged advocacy of the Scouse Two.
But, at the end of the day, it's the board's decision and it's to them, and not people on here, that gruntled fans should direct any ire, if such is warranted at the end of the season.
What worries me is that, from what we seem to know, Beattie left on Friday and JC and JB rocked up on Saturday. Over the weekend, I read some press reports (I know, I know but they have a job to do) of there being 100 candidates. But within less than 5 days, a deal appears to be done. But hey, ho, they know with what and whom they deal; I just hope it's not Stanley that have been done.
I will listen, with interest, to the accent of the Professor's first signing for the club.

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Well of 100 applicants or so,probably 30/40% of em will no doubt be rubbish, its insulting i think to the serious uns, if a deal has already been done, it aint the proper way to do things imho.

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I reserve the right to delete my earlier post!! :D

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This is a point which really riles me. Of course we will have a lot of Scouse signings. That's the area JC and JB know and they have contacts within the Liverpool and Everton networks who give the lowdown on talented youngsters. They'd be foolish not to utilise this. Plus the camaraderie factor.


You can argue the toss about honesty and professionalism all you like. Simple act is Beattie with all his contacts in the game and faux professionalism is simply not as good at winning games of football as the Professor.

If this comes to pass I will be so fired up for Northampton away!!

So swift was the rise of Coleman's Reds...it is easy to forget the depths from which he dragged us. How many who criticise where in the crowd in the NPL Division 1? The irony being that most who deride them would never have set foot near the Crown if not for JC and JB's winning sides.

Critcise them all you like but James Beattie is the new Leighton James. He was given a huge budget by Marsden's own admission and looking at how you see it either failed or did the least that was expected of him. Simple.

Love how the play-of team and promotion winning squads took more stick then Beattie does for scraping survival.

Agree with Shakey about styles too. We have oten had swashbuckling sides under Coley...if anything we were often too gung ho!!! Be it Payne, Prendergast, Marsh, Shirley, Ryan, Grant, Craney, Roberts....there has always been one player you'd give the ball to to conjure some magic. Under Beattie we have never had that....oh sorry. Kal Naismith.

There remains some sort of perverse paranoia over the fact that Coley had been at the club longer than 60% of the fan base. The critics could never handle the fact he always improved our position. Before a ball had even been kicked the "taken as far as he can brigade piped up and were always shot down on the field.

What can he do with the of the pitch stability we have now and the bowling green surface. The mind boggles.

Even if you disregard the play-of season....If a step backwards is a step towards continuity, season on season improvement, consistent survival, cup runs and a feel good factor on the terraces then so be it. :)

To the Crown.
One early morn.
Came a man,
To make the tea.
And they made him manager...
And his name was Jamesss Beattiiiee....


And will Jeffers now return? :)

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I have heard again today (only rumour) that James Beattie was asked to go before Friday but tried to hang on.

Again, only rumour.

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People need to wake up, Beattie was taking us no where, his tactics, team selection and signings where drab.

Welcome back home to the football genius, Mr. John Coleman.

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If the job had been advertised then it would have been an insult to think they put some effort in to be ignored. But was it advertised ?

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Only in the Sligo Evening News :D

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I agree with some that the football in the Conference winning season was the best I've seen from Stanley. I don't like John Coleman's attitude to officials and in many ways re appointing him would be a backwards step. Personally I would go with Paul Stephenson or look at people like Flitcroft and Jansen. I certainly don't want to see a perennial lower league traveller. But whoever is appointed I'll still support the team.

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Fola Onibuje to return as player manager. Done deal.

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I was told by someone on Sunday 7th September, that James Beattie would be gone before the end of the week and John and Jimmy had already held meetings with Peter Marsden to be his replacement.

Once he was gone, it was a one horse race, there was nobody else in the running to become the next manager.

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And nor should there be.

However, if Stevenson was not told of developments, then there is a clear communication problem not to mention a lack of decency.

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OH DEAR...............I've just had another phone call asking if I knew anything about Brett Ormerod being asked if he would like to be assistant to Paul Stevenson....that would be an interesting scenario...I wonder if W H Smiths would accept all the Scouse Phrase Books back and issue a refund?

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To be confirmed thursday john coleman/ manager, jimmy bell assistant manager,
paul stevenson coach

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Blackburn Rovers v Derby County - BBC Sport

It would seem David Dunn is missing from tonight's game for other reasons, anyone spotted him near Accy?

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Excellent news.

Does Stephenson know Coley from the past?

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Strange...never picked his son up from school today as he usually does.

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If it,s true and we are supposed to be skint that is now 3 wages is there a takeover on the cards.

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Andyd
It's actually only 1 more as beatties wage has gone.

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Maybe they've had a whip round with all the gambling profits

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He can't do, there's no mention of him quitting.:D

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73% of the UK population take part in a form of gambling, what is the problem?
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...%20summary.pdf


Some of our fans need to realise, mother teresa has sadly died and didnt want the Stanley job anyway.
Until another saint comes along, we will have to make do with a normal human being, with as much faults as you or I.

Sorry if I offended any of you perfect people.

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Ask yer hero, he'll tell yeh.:rolleyes: i gamble on football, but i'm allowed too.

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Your a bloody fruitcake if you think JC's normal!!!

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Disappointing appointment IMO

But its early enough in the season for Coleman to put his print on the squad and the way they play so at the end of it - he cant blame coming in mid-season.

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Afraid not Pauls never been in a bookies !!!

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I can see both sides. JC & JB do come with some unfortunate baggage, but equally gave us some terrific football and, for me personally, some of the best times I've had in a football ground.

One thing that I've missed since they went is that sense that we deserved to be in the league and winning games. Post-Coleman, we've had far too much emphasis on the limits of the budget and how we can't expect too much. Flying in the face of probablity it might have been, but Coleman's unreasonableness in demanding something from every game was probably part of the chemistry that got us up, kept us up, and then saw that fine side of Edwards, Ryan, Grant, Symes et al flower. I can't help but feel that we've missed this, and that it was an important part of what allowed Stanley to thrive, even at this elevated level.

So with some faith in the ideas of giving second chances, learning from mistakes, lines in the sand and so on, for me it's a guarded welcome back.

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for better or worse, long live the reincarnated King

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Just one question - what the hell is Dav007 gonna carp on about now?

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D Day has arrived.....unfortunately it's DAV DAY

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Disgusted.:(:(:(:(:(

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Appearing at the Crown Pub tonight and for one night only....................

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Disagree, it's not his team and under Beattie everyone could see it was short of quality, Beattie had not recruited well.

The time to judge Coleman is next December, when we will be sitting near the playoffs ready to pounce.

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Perhaps someone is a little confused !!

John Coleman back with Accrington Stanley in Sky Bet League 2 | Football News | Sky Sports

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I must admit to going to Southport FC on 4 occasions in John Coleman's reign there and the football was brilliant , the fans loved him even if the Chairman didn't !
One of his first signings for the Port was John O'Sullivan a 20 year old winger on loan from Blackburn Rovers , he's still there ( Blackburn ) playing in the Development Squad - would be good business all round to get him up at the SFS .

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Paul Lodge was asked by the College to choose between Accrington or the College.. Paul chose College.. I can only say there was one factor that persuaded him to go with the College.. Salary.

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That really would put the tin lid on it for me.

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Why would stevo not want the first team coaching role ?,same role as Patto use to do.
Seems sensible to me

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Get Craney in as captain?

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How long before Craney, Cav, Bavs etc etc are back.

Disgrace.

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will he bring in Danny North

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[QUOTE=DAV007;1117509]
It's actually only 1 more as beatties wage has gone.[/QUOTE]

:rofl38:
Did you get that one from the Alex Salmond book of facts?

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The reason Lodgy left was it was taking up the majority of his time,so Coley and Bell have replaced Beattie and Lodgy.
You can have more than one first team coach !!.
on a side issue,i hope you paid to get on at Oxford !!!,

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New First Team Coach Appointed - Accrington Stanley FCAccrington Stanley FC

Did you miss this and it was discussed on here? :)

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No Dav, afraid your wrong!

Next December is too late. I'll judge him on whether he keeps us up this season. He will have failed it we don't stay up. football management is a cruel occupation.

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I belive the going rate for a judgment on a Manager's ability is 10 games ......well it was with others .............

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i apologize RR,i am murder for not putting names to faces!,I recognized you
and spent all game working it out (which was more interesting than the game :) )

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And here I was thinking it was only Oxford who were given gifts;) that night!

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At the end of the day all fans want the same things in a manager , passion , a love of the club , commitment, attractive football , getting the best out of footballers and more importantly results!!

James Beattie has non of this , Coleman does.

James Beatties win percentage 27% . John Coleman's win percentage 40%.

What more do you want in a manager? We're going to find no one who is ever going to work so hard for the club in the bear future. Using a footballing brain , Coleman is the man for the job , no question.

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Statistics can show anything you want. In every full season in the league under Beattie Stanley never finished below 15th. Coleman only managed to better this 20% of the full seasons he managed in the league and equal it 20% of them as well.

Coley had better players than Beattie but can he do the same again? I hope so.

I'm not conviced this is a good step but again I can't think of a better option with what we have. Coley knew what we were about but the world has moved on and hopefully so has he. What he did at Southport and the players he had there may have been good enough at that level but this is League 2 and it has been the toughest of times at the bottom for a few years now.

I don't think losing Coley as manager and "the more professional approach" killed the atmosphere and affected the Ultras as much as the ban Jason received. Jason was the driving force behind the Ultras and brought out passion for Stanley more than most could. If we want to improve the atmosphere and get us back to where we were then get Jason back.

Hopefully we will get the result on Saturday and the Crown Ground is back to the old days when I'm down for the Plymouth game.

Back the club and never mind who is managing as long as we get the results.

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This is more to the point,the loss of Jase, plus the simple fact a league club,has to abide by league rules, like it or lump it, a good example was the crap oer the flags, which were loved by all fans "not just ultras" The club has to abide by league laws, may not mean agree, but abide they must, people tend to overlook that i think. That i think along wi jases ban caused the drift away, not the terrible 2 leaving.

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Coleman had better players than Beattie? Well that's a lot of bull! Beattie thought he could use his 'contacts' to get players but it never worked. Coleman finds hard working players and gems which he knows that can make a difference to the team using his footballing brain then so called 'contacts'. Coleman never got players from big clubs like Naismith he had to work hard with the drags of non league or players heading that way! At the end of day during pre season most Stanley fans were harping on about having the best squad we've seen at Stanley in the football league so far under beattie.

Also yes Jase is a massive loss and was a big force in creating the atmosphere but it wasn't just one man singing , just one man holding a flag, it was a group of people who now still travel away , singing for the lads but people gave up and had enough of the way flags were taken down , the way stewards were acting and the fact they wasn't treated as fans just supporting the club but treated like criminals. People have had enough so numbers have dwindled on the terrace. There will still be lads in the group including me travelling to Northampton , having a few sherberts and shouting loud for the team but the power mad people in the club killed the Ultras.


ALL HAIL KING COLEMAN

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I wasn't talking about where they came from I was talking about the standard of player we had tompared to what we have now. Contacts or no contacts we have conference teams with more money than we have and can attract better players. Naismith may have come from a big club but having watched him play for them on the few occasions he made the first team he hardly set the heather alight and that was in League2 in Scotland.

I would rather have a squad with Mullin, Edwards, Procter, Ryan, Cavanagh, Craney, Arthur, Gornell, Mangan, Grant etc in their prime rather than what we have now.

You are right, Jase was only one but he was a leader and an organiser. Yes the stewards can be a problem as can the rules but they shouldnt affect the noise levels. People have had enough but we are also getting older and football can take a back seat to other things as you get older. I've been to away games in the past and I go to away games now and the atmosphere has changed. I won't be in Northampton because that would be a case of leaving home at 23.30 friday night and getting home at 2.50 Sunday morning and that would be just travelling. I'm getting to old for that now :D

Mansfield is something similar but already booked up for a weekend in Stevenage.

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I don't know the exact figure of the wage bills but there is no denying that Beattie has had the highest wage bill we have ever had at the club!...FACT

So surely a higher budget means better standard of players, no?

As FC Stanley says, Coley got players from Non League or players released from Premiership/Championship teams who had nowhere else to go and got them playing again and a few even got good moves (as well as helping Stanley get abit of money in the process) higher up the leagues - Gary Roberts to Ipswich, Ian Craney to Swansea!

Fresh start for everyone! - Believe!

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Say all these lad's leg's gave up on them in a space of 3 Months you'd be left to field your youth team, Atleast our club is now getting it right bringing successful youth players through and integrating them into the first team, It were a dark era under Coleman

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No it wasn't, Coleman gave youth players who where good enough a chance.

It's nice that we have taken time on this thread to expose all the negative Coleman myths

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All our younger players were snubbed but there were an awful lot of Liverpudlians in the squad, the dinosaur tactics didn't work in either League 1 or league 2, If we hadn't brought back Hill we'd probably of been fighting relegation in League 2 or worse, He were sussed by every team we had played in both League's

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Stick to watching Rochdale I,ve always hated going there so to probaly did John and Jimmy don,t forget to wave when one day we pass you.

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Bobby Grant, Chris Turner, Peter Murphy were successful youth products

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I have told you before, go back to your slum near Manchester.
Enjoy another relegation under your Beloved Keith hill, the man who was a disaster at Barnsley.

We don't want hatred on this forum, take your negativity back to your slum club.

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people go on about the loss of Jase 'killing' the Ultras but like Lee said it was only one aspect of it. All around the same sort of timescale we had the SOS campaign which left a lot of bad feeling, we lost Coxy, we had banning orders served on trusted fans and we had mounted police horses on the Clayton End FFS

I loved the atmosphere as much as the next man and whenever I get chance to get on I'll carry on doing my bit to improve it, but when you get all that within a few short weeks there is no doubt that it will drop off. I'd love it to be back to what it was, and to bring my lads along to enjoy it, but if the Ground Safety Officer has no say to the police over whether they should charge into fans for an 'organised' display then there is no chance.

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There you go folks, Dav doesn't like negativity!

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Unless from his gob.:D:D:D:D:D

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Do I get a prize for predicting this one first ? :alright:

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Sorry Macca but that's a poor excuse. On the day or a few games after then maybe but this is years later. Yes , we may not agree on the stewarding but how often do we see the police at an Accy game these days and the last time I saw a horse was the grand national.

They can take away our smoke bombs, they can take away our flags but they can't take away our singing cos in England at least they don't have that legislation!!

ps any similarity to Mel Gibson in Braveheart is purely coincidental :D

pps British yesterday, British today - Scotland says NO!! - sorry couldn't resist it especially since I have dual nationality :D

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And secondly my original post was not to show that Beattie was a better manager than Coley because, given their records, it is obvious that Coley won hands down on that score, it was to show that you could pick any statistic to make your point look good. However temper that with the fact that, yes we did improve season on season each year, but other than the playoff season all we managed was to avoid relegation. Ps i will take that ant season if we stay in the league.

I hope as much as any other Stanley fan that Coley is a success but the game has moved on and hopefully so has he. Get some wins and unite the fans, bring back the feel good factor and prove the doubter wrong, and you can count me in that up to a point given what I have said.

Finally in response to our friend from Rochdale, it is academic whether they would be injured after a few months as I was talking retrospectively and and how did I forget about Gary Roberts and Romy Boco.

On that note, and as an aside, I've been out for a few beers after work and around 9 o'clock it's time to head home with a pizza so I head to the pizza shop.

I order the pizza and a young boy of around 12 sees my Accy Stanley Jacket and says do you know about Accrington Stanley? Yes I say, waiting on the usual milk advert response, but he asks have you ever seen them?

Again I say yes in a rather quizzical fashion, I go down quite often. Then he says do you know Rommy to which I say what!! Rommy Boco? His face lights up and he says yes and I say I've met him a few times. Keeping it clean, I say how do you know about Rommy Boco? He says from FIFA and, bearing in mind that Castle Douglas is not a hotbed of Accy fans other than me and ny wife when we aren't playing Stevenage, I think how the hell did he find Rommy Boco and Accrington Stanley?

Don't under estimate the power of video games!

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"Slum near Manchester","slum club". Yet you don't want hatred on this forum.:rolleyes:

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It's disrespectful for a fan of another club, in this case a smaller club, to come on here and pat us on the head as poor little accy.

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Do yeh actually know what disrespectful means?:rolleyes: