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Macey, Deano, Tom, Rob, Conneely, Proccy, Joyce, Piero, Maguire, McCarten, Naismith.
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Bench:- Dawbs, Lidds, Windass, Marcus, Gray, Barry, Hunt.
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Sounds like we haven't turned up yet! Maybe we should change our kick off time to quarter to 4, we often don't start playing till half time
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Sad to see Lidds dropped after some really good peformances. Replaced by a former Sligo Stanley player.
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3 shots on target, three goals to Tranmere (according to BBC stats).
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Lost for words - will wait for reports from those who travelled to the game but can't understand why the new lad, Coneely wasn't subbed if like Sam reported he was struggling with the pace of the player he was up against, we had both Lidds & Hunt on the bench yet it was decided instead that he swap places with Deano.
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Who was responsible for the first goal!!!!! |
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Just back from the game and on request !!,I will give you my opinion before the bitching starts :)
We never got to grips with big Kay's physical presence and he verged on bullying our CBs (who under performed on the day). This was bad enough,but when you have Rory Donnelly playing alongside,you are really up against it. The lad is a class act and was courted by Liverpool and Everton before signing for Swansea. Take them out the equation and we played some decent football and created numerous clear cut chances. On the new lads,the left back looked composed and good technique but lacked a yard of pace and Donnelly latched onto him The keeper is still to convince me as he never had a shot to save or cross to catch for 80 minutes (3 shots,3goals). For me,I would have played lids,but he may have got the same rinsing. Positives,we stuck to trying to play football and young windass did well when he replaced Proccy. If we had there front men,we would have won 5-0 no problem |
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If the team had played like that under Beattie...DAV would want his head.Coleman hadn't a clue how to play Tranmere,the worst performance I have seen,worse than Carlisle.
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:) Welcome back football19 :)
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3-0 down, its obviously not working today, obvious need to try summat else. NO subs warming up, later still Tranmere man injured, play stopped, half our lads go off for a drink, No-one at all speaks to em or gives any instructions or ideas to attempt, in fact all our manager is doing is arguing wi the 4 th official.:mad: These 2 are clueless, have no idea what to do to change things n anyone yon could see that.:mad: |
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Absolutely dreadful. Starting with the team selection to the final whistle was awful. This performance was the worst I've seen in a couple of seasons, and let's be honest it hasn't been great over the last few weeks.
Couple of main gripes: Why play a right footer at left back when you have a decent left back on the bench, and then have to swap him with another right footer because he was having a nightmare (I don't blame the lad btw)? Is the new guy better than Hunt and Liddle anyway? No way, the only thing he has that those two don't is the fact that the Ticktackle Genius signed him. I've said it before but McCarten produces one or two moments of decent play at most in a game, Maguire is not a centre forward and Naismith rarely performs away from home. Why, when 3-0 down and desperate up front does the manager leave it until nearly 70 mins to make sub and then Windass (no senior goals or assists) replace Mingoia? Finally, why, when the game is done the clueless Coleman leaves it until 80 min and puts on the forgotten man Gray and ........ A defensive midfielder! Please bring back Beattie, whatever his failings he will be a better manager than this bloke - Living on his reputation, picks teams on favouritism, tactically clueless, doesn't know how to change a game.... And here's a question: Are they players playing for him? |
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The selection of the full-backs was wrong for me and it had a big impact on the game.
If sufficient preparation had been done, you would see that Tranmere have a quick player on their right hand side so why would you even think of putting Conneely in there as opposed to Liddle? Oh, it's Coley playing favourites again and the same in picking Winnard over Hunt at right back. It seems that Winnard is undroppable and it's to the detriment of the team that this is the case because he, too, was unable to cope with Tranmere's offensive threat and got beat too easily for the second goal. On another day, it could have been a closer game. I can think of five clear opportunities: Maguire should score when he seizes on an underhit backpass just before half-time McCartan should have had a penalty but it was given as a free-kick on the edge of the area Naismith should score when he's got a six yard radius of space in the area from a free-kick and is essentially one-on-one with the keeper Maguire's somehow hit the defender on the line 3 yards out with almost all of the goal to aim at McCartan hits the post from range late on It's not as if it was a toothless performance, but some serious questions need to be asked about the defensive selection. |
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Easily worse than Carlisle. For all the chances we created we never looked like scoring until gray hit the post. Another good trip spoiled by the football. Hopefully we will do better next week but we need someone up front to be a threat
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As Cashy said..."At least the pies were good! ".
I think that I asked after the Carlisle game where the goals were going to come from ?...and after today's good chances were squandered by basic errors from our frontmen, I came away with the same thoughts !. Sorry F19 if I welcome you back with what might pass as a little 'bitching' :rolleyes:but I also feel that as well as a couple of Strikers we are, after today's abysmal efforts from the team as a whole, missing a good Coach or two !. I can't really believe that they have trained all week to produce a performance lacking in cohesion and desire as we witnessed at Prenton Park. The defence were lacking their usual firm shape which has seen them so successful at supporting each other,. The midfield were outplayed and out-skilled, thus resulting in constantly making mistakes and putting the beleaguered defence under pressure with misplaced back passes !. And I still maintain that under their present Captain they are practically leaderless !. I don't wish to enter into the debate regarding JC's abilities or lack of these, but if today,s showing is the best his coaching can produce at this vital period in the current Season, then it is, sorry to say,frankly not good enough !. " Looking towards the play offs ", is a mantra heard from our Management a team. My final thought as I left the ground this afternoon was that " Looking towards a win sometime" is sadly what the truth will be unless some real Soccer application is taken up at Accrington Stanley. PS... I thought the Goalkeeper had little chance at stopping the goals and will do well for us. |
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In fact another thing Tranmere won virtually every second ball, pathetic.:mad: Piero @ Kal were subbed and arguably were our 2 most threatning/creative players.
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If you watch the highlights tonight on the football league show you will see it was Naismith who didn't track his man for the second goal. The first goal Donnelly got across Tom with great movement. I presume you think the problem was the fullbacks not the who's job is to defend crosses?,fair enough,everyone has an opinion. |
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I would rather see some specifics, including thoughts about his team selection, choice and timing of substitutions - and even some mention of motivational skills. |
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To be honest it doesn't matter who is to blame, the whole lot of them need to take a good look at themselves. That was unacceptable today for a team hoping to make the playoffs
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I'll have to see the second goal again but all I remember is the Tranmere left back having the freedom of the left wing to run into space before getting his cross in which deflected into the path of Fenelon to lash past Macey, who had no chance for all three goals but looked okay. |
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After 80 minutes they had 3 shots,3goals!!,our keeper didn't make a save or had to catch a ball. In a strange way I was disappointed with the result ,but not the effort. Big Kay give us a good bruising encounter but wasn't involved or scored any of the goals !! Weird. Strange no-one else has mentioned the CBs performance,especially when big Kay received the ball 50 yards out,turned and skinned rob for pace and I can't recall us winning a header ( we never won the second balls either) I feel on another day we could have easily won |
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Dont yeh think most of the game Hoof Ball up to a tiny forward who is covered by a giant defender, there is only gonna be one winner football19? the few times we played a passing game we were a far better side. Dont take much coaching ability to tell em that, just wish the dynamic duo possessed it.:rolleyes:
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I'll have a look at the second goal on FLS later but have a feeling you're probably right. Trying to picture it now, it does seem as though Winnard came to halfway and got done by the midfielder which let Taylor scamper away unmarked to put the cross in. |
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Teams know how we play and normally have a defensive midfielder to stop this. Just watched the goals on sky :( |
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If most of the game is hoofball then why not put a physical presence up front i.e Carver rather than one of the Borrowers? Baffling.
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The first,we gave the ball away but Piero switched off,rob failed to stop the cross (can't understand what he was doing there as his man wasn't!)Tom was worried about the cross and their lad put the brakes on for a split second and the cross found him.being critical,Tom was facing the ball,when he should open up his body (easy for me to say :) ) The second,the fullback got away but Tom failed to stop the cross and rob back heeled it into their lads path(looked easier to conceed a corner) The third,Tom held up the winger who passed it inside to Kay,Tom got drawn to him as rob was struggling to get round,and we fell for the old one-two. Can see why Coley was moaning now :) |
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Coley did moan about our defence but these lads have been a rock for most games - just wondering if it's the same problem as when Coley & Jimmy were here previously & by their own admission concentrated on coaching the forwards as that was the position they played & therefore had the most knowledge of - hence the policy of 'if they score 2 we'll score 3' - just a thought :rolleyes:
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the positives - Tranmere's entry price and catering, reasonable prices and meal deals, take note other clubs. Odejayi & Donnelly - best 2 players on the pitch Joyce - though he did well and carried Proctor the negatives - Aldred and Atkinson - both awful today, not just defensivly, there distribution at times was horrific Conneely - not a left back. Some players are one footed but have a limited use of the other foot; not Conneely, he is very one footed. Proctor - lost all of his battles, poor postiional sense, looked a yard slower than everyone around him. Maguire - didnt get much service, but what support he did get he never looked threatening. Tactics - We clearly set up incorrectly as Tranmere changed their game from the Morecambe draw. However, when it was clear Conneely at left back would limit us and that the formation and tactic was not working, the failure to change it was poor. I havent got a problem with getting it wrong, but I have got a problem with a failure to change it. The most annoying thing of all is the failure of our attacking players to take their chances. At the very least, we should have scored 1 goal. The worst part of tranmeres team is the defence and we did not exploit it. And some of the so called fans on this forum are a disgrace. When we where losing game after game at home playing hoof ball under Beattie , those of us who dared question the manager where shouted down and told to get behind the club. This is not colemans team, this is Beatties team. Please support the club and stop being so stupid, the players had an off day and the manager has come out and admitted he got it wrong. Beattie never admitted he got it wrong. The manager also pointed out correctly our defending for the first 2 goals was shocking. Its no secret I dont rate Atkinson, and the guy did nothing today to prove me wrong. And why has no on mentioned the penalty we should have had which was clearly in the area or the referee booking Aldred for nothing? We have got to start taking our chances. While I can see Maguire is a good player and will make it as a football league standard of player, I cant help think he is a luxury at times. In some ways I am please he has gone to give others in the squad a chance and potentially bring in a more physical presence on loan up front. |
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Good post fer once davo. agree i have no problem wi getting it wrong, its the failure to recognise and do summat about it that grieves me. Whilst yeh may not get the changes right also, at least have the sense to make em in good time. Also agree the penalty we should have had was blatant, but would not have made a scrap of difference to the result.
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Jesus, I've heard it all now. How can you blame that abomination today on Beattie? The sooner Accyweb introduce an ignore button the sooner we don't need to read the inane drivel from Dav007. The only thing is if he does likewise it will be an autobiography because the rest of the world appear to be haters!!!
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Well the worst two displays ive seen this season, have been since the return of the terrible two. and that is a fact.:rolleyes:probably the best ive seen was the day after they took oer again, away at Northampton, Stevenson was in charge that day, they hadn't even took training then.
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I don't even feel confident next week but I will still be there if it's on. They have never beat us and I hope that stays the same but after today I wouldn't put money on it. I take it that makes me a hater!!! |
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Carlisle and Today in my opinion.:eek: i was away when we played satanage, so can't really comment on that un. And for stanleyaccrington, Mr Newell aint been on the scene this week, so thats probably a no-no anyway. York was by no means good, but not as bad as those two imho.
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Just watched FLS, so here are my thoughts on the three Tranmere goals:
First goal - Conneely tries to do too much and gets caught, then Mingoia puts in a weak challenge. Both of them are about 10 yards too far upfield which means Atkinson has to come over to try and stop the cross and Joyce drops back into central defence. Aldred appears too flat-footed whilst Donnelly is very alert and gets across him to get the shot away. It looks to be straight at Macey having viewed it a couple of times but it's not exactly a howler and there was some power on the shot so he can have the benefit of the doubt. Second goal - Winnard comes up to press the Tranmere player on the halfway line and the deft pass beats him to set Taylor away with Naismith trailing far behind not tracking the run. The cross looks to hit Atkinson mid-stride - but it does look easier to concede a corner - and Fenelon has ample time and space to slam home as Aldred was drawn out to RB trying to stop the cross because Naismith/Winnard had given Taylor the freedom of their side of the pitch. Third goal - The full-build up wasn't shown but, from what I saw, Conneely was again out of position as Donnelly had a good five yards or so on him and he raced away, exchanged passes with Odejayi before shaking off Conneely, who would have given away a penalty and probably a red card had he fouled him, to curl into the corner past Macey, who had no chance. |
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But I must agree with your post having witnessed most of the games mentioned, and York ranks along side of them I assure you, I can only repeat that in MY opinion the team are in a position where they are clearly being poorly coached, immotivated, and ill-prepared for what they are expected to produce as Football League players !. Someone remarked yesterday that it was worse than watching Padiham play, which I felt was being a bit unkind to Padiham really !. But in comparison with Tranmere, who are not the best team in League 2, Stanley were third-rate on the day and our Manager deserves all the flak that he is receiving this weekend !.. Finally, JC says " perhaps I was too cocky !"... Which.made me feel that how in the world can he feel the slightest bit "cocky" when witnessing the ineptudes so apparent in recent games ?... a very strange reaction methinks ?. |
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Yesterday was a poor performance but by no menas totally inept. Yes they totally deserved to win and could of been more but we had a fair few chances ourselves and denied a clear pemalty for me when the score was 2-0.
Onto JC, well to call for his head or want change is ridiculous. Yesterday was poor but after every defeat we surely cant want a change of manager? If poor coaching is gaining 26 points from 16 games i dont know what good coaching is. If you carried that form throughout the season it averages 74 points. I for one am quite happy with the position and would of taken it in august but because its coleman whos in charge we all of a sudden have to be in the automatic posistions. Beattie would not of talked about gaining a play off place when he was in charge but move on from beattie now, hes gone. It was only 2 weeks ago we won at exeter and 1 month ago we won at portsmouth. This is a good crop of lads that can with a little bit of assistance be improved. P.S the daggers game at home was not a bad performance at all. We deserved to win that particular game. And also Coleman and Bell were in charge at Northampton as they took training Thursday, Friday before that game. Lets Keep the Faith and pick up maximum points down south next week!! |
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So come on then highlight the post thats calling for his head? Criticizing the coaching is whats deserved its inept, In fact listen to the video, he says more than once its hes fault, and so he damn well should. but its having the ability to do summat about it, not just admit, that we must wait and see. Thats incorrect they had not took training before Northampton.
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We have good players and are getting results against the top teams but we have lost to 4 of the bottom 6 teams and those will hinder us if we are looking at promotion. There is more presure on Coley because he was brought in with a fanfare and we were sold a dream of being promotion contenders. Perhaps that's unfair on him and Jimmy but that's the reality given he always improved each season before he left. We have had a good run of form picking up points but usually by a single goal. However other than yesterday we are only losing by a single goal. A bit of good luck here we gain points but a bit of bad luck there and we lose them. We need to dominate games and keep luck out of it. It's Wimbledon on Saturday and they have never beat us so let's have a good performance and a comfortable win to set us up for the future but no matter what I doubt very much anyone will be calling for Coleys head. |
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We are not scoring goals because we have not got a Striker skilful enough to finish off a move!.We are being overrun in midfield because there is a lack of aptitude apparent in the selected players, and our defence are being put under unnecessary pressure because of these weaknesses. !. So ,instead of calling for his head, the opinion I stated was that JC , if he is unable to coach the team towards success should be afforded some help to do this !, which wouldn't really be a bad thing now, would it ?. ( Cashy !...this riposte was for the previous postee honestly !... so don't take umbrage...please !!!).0 |
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I know that Yonmon, I never take the hump wi you, It was a stupid comment he made in my view, anyone wi a grain of sense surely understands, Stanley are not a sacking club, they cant afford to be!
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As other's have said nobody is calling for Coley and Bell to go, for a start we cant afford to sack ANYBODY, no matter how poor we are performing.
For me personally, I would take 22nd position in this league every season. Let's not forget we are without a doubt the smallest club, with smallest budget etc etc...... BUT... However despite this as other's have already pointed out we don't seem to be learning from our mistakes and getting the best out of decent players.... Crooks, Carver, Gray, Moly, Hatfield, Liddle etc etc are ALL better player's than we have seen this season.... They can't surely ALL be performing poorly due to themselves??? Will got snapped up straight away by Halifax and Moly obviously at Tranmere.... so something to me just isnt right at the moment. Looking at when Coley arrived , for me O sullivan really was the main man, sort of a Jimmy Ryan type Midfielder who could take the game by the scruff of its neck, which we are now lacking massively. Also we are lacking up top, but what I cant work out is why Gray (who isnt my favourite by any means) , isnt given more of a chance? I see Bowerman is also back from loan?? Could it hurt by giving him half an hour next weekend?? As for Carver being left out, for a petty reason, is an absolute joke which I wont go into. Coley has never been the best at making subs as we all know.. But even though I wasn't there yesterday surely being 0-2 down at half time meant it wasn't working?? Why not go for the jugular as it where and chuck Gray etc on , we had nothing to lose. Good luck to those going to Wimbledon next weekend.... I really am worried at the moment. |
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All this is irrelevant. What do any of us know about football, how many of us have a UEFA coaching badge like the football genius? :D:D:rolleyes:
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On reflection Adams out done us again.
Kayo and Connelly weren't expected to play and we really should have revised our game plan from the start.(that's what coley meant about being cocky,expecting Tom and rob to easily deal with it) We should have played with Proccy dealing with Kayo (like he did to akinfenda ),and Tom and rob behind picking up Connelly. It was too late before we changed it and hopefully lessons were learned. I think our 4-4-1-1 set up,I presume,was to give us width,but for me it just isolated Piero and Kai. Lots of errors IMHO,I just hope we have a good rethink before akinfenda does the same as big Kayo did. Team selection will be key as they are very physical and have to match them |
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Where yeh even at the game Dav? seeing it was local fer yeh, i looked fer yeh but certainly never saw yeh.:confused: Yeh gave me the impression beforehand that yeh were.:confused:
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Yes, i was there.
sat on the 4th to back row behind the goal in the 1st half. sat near the front in the 2nd half, I left as soon as the 3rd tranmere goal went in, it was to cold and there was no sign of us getting back into the game. |
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We were sat about 5 or 6 from back behind the goal, had a good sneck around fer yeh at half time, but no joy, thought maybe yeh had gone in home end wi some locals.
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I did ask a few on concourse at half time, but no-one had seen.:confused:
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cough cough
and unlike some of you mugs, I dont wait until 90 minutes in the freezing cold when its clear the game is over. BTW, I didnt see you and cashman? Mind you, your hard to recognise if your not in your usual dress with matching hand bags. |
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I agree, my phone is as basic as beattie's tactics.
There is nothing true about refusing to accept the inevitable. There was no way back. No fan should sit through such rubbish. Better to walk IMO |
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:( Sad to say Dave your wrong :eek: i go to every home game and have done so for the past 9 seasons be it be league /cup /friendly and i try work permitting to get to at least 3 away games a season .i would never dream of leaving the ground until the final whistle has gone whats the point ,traveling all that way then leave befor the end :( might as well of stayed at home....
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haha, no apple rubbish for me.
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We played dreadful. There is nothing honourable to stay to the end watching a team of under performing players. |
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And I would hardly say it was that cold compared to some games I've been at. I suppose it was based on the stats for previous games though. I take it you don't have to go to games to know how cold it feels :D |
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where does it say supporting a under performing team until the very end makes you more of a fan? it makes you more of a mug, but how does it make you more of a fan? Please explain. It was 3-0. |
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name and shame please. |
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So, again how may times is it? Just the one if you can count it as one? Perhaps you can count games you weren't actually at but felt you should have been just like your fan of the year poll :D Getting an answer from you is like trying to get a straight answer from Salmond during the referendum!! |
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The reality is this time around Coley has lost it ,I believe he's now out of his depth, and believe me I WANT HIM TO SUCCEED.nothing would please me more than to see Coley take this team to the play offs. |
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coley hasnt lost it.
He has beatties team and is only half way into a season. we are more than safe and can beat anyone on our day. onwards and upwards. |
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They would have been genuine ones !!! |
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you dont know that.
Beattie's hoof ball would have had us beaten in the 1st round. |
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So just explain the Crooks debacle please ? |
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I can see what he was doing with crooks, but I accept the point about it being costly at times not having a natural finisher in the role.
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The lad played for Hartlepool at the Crown in Stanley's 3-1 win back in October and skied one chance over the Clayton End from 12 yards and put another out for a throw-in from a similar range. If that wasn't indication enough that he wasn't a striker then Christ knows what Coley was waiting to see. Interestingly, reports from Huddersfield have him down as a central midfielder or a central defender, so maybe he is a decent player if he's put in the right position but we'll never know from his time at Stanley. |
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I remember him giving Rob a few problems and would have scored,but Jess pulled off a good save. Wonder why Hartlepool played him up top as well ?. Coley probably remembered him and thought there was potential in converting him into a 6-5 Liam Dickinson type of player(he always caused problems). He must be good in the air if he played centre back,but strangely didn't show it. You had to give him a run of games to get a true opinion,but i think our passing style exposed his limitations. Hope he does well in his career,but as others have said he has to keep on improving |
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Well Colemans tactic sure as hell put us out in the second. J.B.s tactics are your speculation, Colemans every one yon could see.
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I propose "staying to the end" as one of the essential criteria for "fan of the year" :D
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