Re: James Gray
 

Macca IS a god.. :)

Re: James Gray
 

James is a Stanley player and he is as important to the needs of the club as any other member of the squad.:mosher:
OK, at the moment he is not first choice but we all know how quickly the fortunes of players can change. A couple of injuries or a suspension could so easily thrust him into the forefront of team selection. So we need him fully fit and 100% positive in the cause for the team and the club.
Coley sometimes plays matches behind closed doors in order to keep the fringe players in the squad up to scratch and to keep his eye on their form.:flasher8:
So, could I suggest that we 'stay on Topic' in each thread and that some of you guys stop wittering on at each other on the forum and get behind all of our players and the management. If you think that the rest of us are 'entertained' by your petty argueing then you are wrong.:nono8::signthis::stop:
If you really need to keep on 'scrapping' at each other then do what we did when we were kids....Get down behind the bikesheds and have a 'Feight' .....'tis the only way for children to sort out their differences.:oke2::whack:
ON STANLEY ON, TOGETHER IN UNITY:theband::wave8::s_love::wub:

Re: James Gray
 

(((Behind the bikesheds))) come/come choirboy advocating violence is no soloution

Re: James Gray
 

Oh it must be, our Fan/Director thinks so.:rolleyes: Just shows how much knobs know, Dav @ I are very unlikely to ever come to blows, Though i can't really speak fer Dav, We are both Stanley Fans @ will never agree on some things,So what? Very good of choirboy, to speak for the rest of us:rolleyes: I get quite a few messages saying i am correct, and i have no doubt Dav gets as many saying he is, Suppose though if yeh toot a whistle, it does summat to yer brain cells?:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Still not quite sure who the 'old has been that's nowt left in his locker is ' ??.....would you have the Forum restricted to a certain age group ?.....or to those with something left in their
locker ? ...( Does this mean Physically, Emotionally, or Intellectually ?).
Can I suggest that injecting this element of ageism into a posting is just as unattractive as the protracted Coleman v Beattie argument which must be boring the pants off most of our contributors whilst allowing some to engage in an unending flow of jibes and near-insults !.

Still not quite sure who 'the old has-been' can be ....??.

Re: James Gray
 

We all know the things you will never agree on. What we don't know is why you have to have the same disagreement on pretty well every thread that appears on the forum, regardless of the original subject :confused:

Re: James Gray
 

Why do yeh have to know? are yeh someone special? or just another fan like me n Dav. More relevant i think is do yeh not wonder why our fan director is advocating a punch up?

Re: James Gray
 

You're quite right , Yonmon, about the accusation of ageism and I hold my hand up to that. However, as an old has been myself I felt a reposte was needed to the claim of the 'same old drivel on every single thread' by macca. I'm pretty sure that the majority of people don't intentionally go out to post 'drivel' but come on, if you've got a point of view you air it. :o

Re: James Gray
 

Cashy, this is the bit that I like....

James is a Stanley player and he is as important to the needs of the club as any other member of the squad.
OK, at the moment he is not first choice but we all know how quickly the fortunes of players can change. A couple of injuries or a suspension could so easily thrust him into the forefront of team selection. So we need him fully fit and 100% positive in the cause for the team and the club.
Coley sometimes plays matches behind closed doors in order to keep the fringe players in the squad up to scratch and to keep his eye on their form.
So, could I suggest that we 'stay on Topic' in each thread and that some of you guys stop wittering on at each other on the forum and get behind all of our players and the management.

Never have and never will condone violence. Sorry if it came across that I did.

Sometimes when you give a like it is not all of the post. I shall be more careful in future :o

When all said and done, this is a James Gray thread :)

:) :) :)

Re: James Gray
 

Dont worry sunshine apology accepted, We all drop bollocks sometimes, I do frequently.:D

Re: James Gray
 

No worries Cashy, cheers :)

Re: James Gray
 

Good grief! Why is everyone being so precious these days? Just give and take and get on with it. It's not a forum for young ladies of fine upbringing.

Re: James Gray
 

Totally misunderstood !!
I would certainly never advocate 'Violence' in any form or in any situation. Mr reference was a humourous remark simply used to illustrate 'Childish' behaviour.
I will not make any observations on this stupid situation again and will only make 100% comments in support of our club, management and players.
Get serious please!
ON STANLEY ON

Re: James Gray
 

choirboy I never thought for a second there was any malice intended by you, perhaps if I myself had thought for second I would not have posted, just goes to show how our remark can be misconstrued and certainly not as we intended,

Re: James Gray
 

I wondered that fer quite awhile now.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Cobblers... :)

Gray joins Northampton ? Accrington Stanley FC

:) :) :)

Re: James Gray
 

Re: James Gray
 

Totally agree, the genius has gone on record to say he's a good lad, works hard and he has no problem with him but he can't even get in our 18 man squad, yet a club above us in the league, going for the play-offs want to take him.

Really disappointing

Re: James Gray
 

Obviously out of favour, not even made the subs bench since the Northapton thrashing so no surprised to see him go, wishing tippy all the best at his new club

Re: James Gray
 

More disgusting to me, the way the lads been treated by the messiah.although sod all shocks me wi Coleman.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Everyone??:rolleyes:

Good luck lad, show the genius what you can do.

Re: James Gray
 

Best of luck James, hope it works out for you - just glad we've already played the Cobblers twice this season

Re: James Gray
 

Shame its come to this , yet no surprise !! Good luck James , get stuck in when playing and show us here just how good you are and what we are missing.

Re: James Gray
 

Good move for everybody IMO,Northampton have lost their striker to injury,and I can't see him displacing Terry.
Good player in the Terry mould and by all accounts first class attitude .
A little unlucky in terms of game time but I hope he progresses and returns a better player

Re: James Gray
 

And do yeh honestly believe he will ever return to play fer us again? cos i sure as hell don't.

Re: James Gray
 

Sadly Cashy, that makes two of us. Good luck James

Re: James Gray
 

Good luck to the lad hope he does well

Re: James Gray
 

Unless there gona pay a transfer fee at the end of the season then james will be back has hes part way throu a 2yr stanley deal !! Unless a by mutual concent comes in to play . Good luck James.....

Re: James Gray
 

TBH i don't believe it is just you and Cashy who think this. I believe that many Stanley supporters will think they have seen the last of James Gray until next season when he returns with a new team, be it Northampton Town or a.n.other.
I agree with the sentiments of best wishes to James and whichever team he plays for after this season.

Re: James Gray
 

A chance to stand on his own two feet ??........:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Agree completely, But do yeh not think? A good coach woulda cured him of that trait? I also think the lad had potential if he stayed upright.

Re: James Gray
 

Unfortunately the lad didn't have a chance of coming back & playing again for Stanley the minute he rejected the loan deal to Southport - not the first to cross Coley & suffer the consequences & fair play to James for standing his ground & at least getting a move to a team not only in the same league but pushing for the play offs - good luck kid ��

Re: James Gray
 

Nice to see James stay at Accrington and fight for his place in the team as he wanted!

Another off the wage bill to ease club finances, So good news for us as a club!

Re: James Gray
 

Common sense n you should not be placed in the same sentence,:rolleyes: Since Gray said that he has never even been put on the bench. :rolleyes: So therefore Coleman never even gave him the chance.

Re: James Gray
 

Would James Grey have missed all the chances Crooks has? Just a thought.

Re: James Gray
 

Probably not all, But its hard fer some to use brain cells.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Not my favourite player by any means, but his goal record at the end of last season and early this really was great.

To be not even given a chance by the so-called messiah is a disgrace.
Yet another case of the face not fitting.

I hope he does well at the Cobblers, good luck "Tippy".

Re: James Gray
 

Mr.Gray was straight in the Northampton starting eleven but was subbed after an hour. No surprise given the amount of match time he's been given recently.

Re: James Gray
 

He scored 2 in 3 minutes for Northampton yesterday! What are the chances of him being recalled with Terry Gornell out for 3 games?,and more to the point would he want to return to Stanley?!

Re: James Gray
 

Why would the Coalman want him anyway? He didn't think he was good enough to get in the 18 man squad, that would suggest there are at least another 7 players in from of him in the pecking order.

Our recent scintillating record of 5 wins in 25 games and his undoubted greater knowledge than any spectator means no one can question the great man's judgement anyway.

Great watch on football league show, not embarrassing in any way.

Re: James Gray
 

No Frank, our manager is qualified n we are not, so we have no right at all to opinions, n his arse lickers are too stupid to see what hes saying.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Its nice of so many of us to be concentrating on a magnificent display yesterday but instead we are looking at a player out on loan and for whatever reason the managers sending off. I'm sure John will regret his actions yesterday but it wasnt a one way altercation as morecambes GK coach looked to throw a punch for me.
I was never a huge lover of grays when he was at the club but give him credit for doing well in recent games for Northampton. I cant see him having a future at Stanley but I have upmost trust in John and Jimmys judgement. As for recent form I would take 50 points every season and staying in this league no matter how we get them. Lets not kid ourselves stayimg up is always an achievement and I actually thought that this team wasnt too far off a play off push but the 5 games at the start of the season and the 5 in mid Jan resulting in 10 defeats sort of killed them hopes.
Lets get behind the team and give them all the support we can on Monday in what is a massive game and get rid of some negativity.
Plus I'm sure the question regarding Gray will be asked on Thursday night by someone and I trust John and Jimmy have their reasons. Let roll our sleeves up and keep the faith !!!

Re: James Gray
 

This thread is about Gray not yesterdays game, which we were unable to get too as we said. But i expect these comments from arse lickers,:rolleyes: Which i dont need to tell me to get behind the team at any match.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

If you read my post on yesterdays match thread you will quite clearly see that I comment it was a shame many couldnt make the game yesterday, so before we start accusing people lets get the facts right please.
As for me commenting on yesterdays game, I am quite within my right to make a comment about it and as it doesnt quite fit your ideology I get shot down for being an "arse licker" which I find a stupid comment.
It was more of a respone to the post a couple of posts before me about the incident regarding John but the next time I wish to comment on the game I will be sure to ask whether its ok of I do so.
I think I am also able to say lets get behind the lads, its not specifically aimed at you, just a general statement that the lads need the support. Thats not to say you dont already do so as I'm sure you do.
I do apologise if the post was put in the wrong thread or it offended you in any way.

Re: James Gray
 

Yer certainly allowed to comment on yesterdays game, more so than me in fact, This happens to be a thread about Gray not the game thread. But its blatantly obvious to me why yeh did so,:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Can't you throw your own?:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Think we all knew what he was capable off, just needed the run of games and support and now he's scoring! Glad he is and doubt he will be back and why would he!

Re: James Gray
 

Just going off topic but has anyone even heard of an "on loan manager" !!!
Sean Hessey is on loan to Marine fc and was recently put in charge to save them from relegation.
By all accounts hes doing a great job and has brought in Andy Owens who i thought was a decent player

Re: James Gray
 

I reckon many managers must feel as though they are 'only' on loan the way they get chopped and changed after half a dozen bad results.

Re: James Gray
 

Or 8 games without a win !! :rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Now, now....don't start all that off again.

Re: James Gray
 

Have you noticed though, considering we are not qualified, how after bigging up Stanley for a promotion push in December after a decent run of form, we have gone downhill ever since and are now looking over our shoulders. As for James Gray, if our esteemed enlightened one had played him with Mingoia and Windass to supply the balls, then he too could have scored many more, but what do we know?

Re: James Gray
 

gray had a good September,but the goals dried and before he went to Northampton he hadn't notched in thirteen.
For me hes a good player but struggled in the system of one up top were holding the ball up is key.
He is doing ok at Northampton because they play a different way(hes not leading the line).
When they played one up top he was on the bench!!,so for me its about how the team sets up and Coley has now gone three at the back to give two up top which would have suited Grey and took a bit of pressure off Terry.
The question is would we have been happy with our present position after our poor start to the season?.

Re: James Gray
 

But I seem to remember he got a red card and after his suspension he hardly played. How many minutes did he get on the pitch in those thirteen games?

Re: James Gray
 

Unsure Redraine,will have to check!,but his last goal for us was Sept 2014.

Re: James Gray
 

He played 30 minutes after the red card more or less.

Re: James Gray
 

He got sent off against Oxford which was the game before Coley took over,and when he served his ban he started against Dagenham,Stevenage and Morecambe (2 losses and a draw).
The next two games Carver and maguire were tried in that role before the infamous Crookes experiment.
As I have said before I like him as a player,but not on his own up top and re-reading the posts on this forum from game one of the season,most were of the same opinion.
Today's team shape 4-4-2 would have suited him

Re: James Gray
 

Usual contrived nonsense in your last 2 posts that no-one seems to question on here.

At least get your facts right, Gray started against Stevenage, Hartlepool and Notts County when he returned from the ban, didnt start another game, had intermittent sub apearences and towards the end couldnt even get on the bench. Hes gone to a playoff-chasing team, is starting and has scored 3 in 5 - stop trying to justify the coalman's decisions by slagging the lad off

Re: James Gray
 

You get yer facts right Frank, The post of Football 19s certainly does not "slag the lad off":confused: Thats questioning you.

Re: James Gray
 

Frank,I apologise for getting the teams wrong,this being a domination of my eyesight and the programme pages not lining up !!
I was replying to Smudgie who thought he only played around 30 minutes after his ban,I was surprised,hence looked at a programme.
It's your opinion of my posts being "contrived nonsense",but suggest you read your recent "constructive"posts.
It's obvious you interpret my views on grey as "slagging"him off,despite saying I like him as a player!!,not worked that one out .
Rather than criticising posters views,why don't you give your opinions on who you think should be manager,formation,players,how the club should be run etc. which could be debated.

Re: James Gray
 

Coley made it clear that there had been no fall out whatsoever with James and that unless a very good offer comes in for him he has 12 months left. In fact he has a good craic with the lad and spent quite. A lot of time in Northampton recently with his dad. He did add though that if the Cobblers offer £15 million he'll be off.

Gray was sent off before JC came in. We then won the first 3 games and had scored 7 in the process. That style of play requires someone to hold the ball up and bring others into play. Coley stated that James goes to ground very easily which is fantastic and dangerous when it goes for you but if not gives away possession and leaves you open due to the number of players committed to going forwards.

James is also one of the highest earners at the club and it makes sense if he is not playing to get him some game time and keep him off the wage bill. There is no vendetta.

Before Terry came back there was nobody to hold the ball up hence the Crooks experiment. JC stated that Crooks let himself down with his finishing. One funny moment is when he said although he doesn't blame Matty for the Yeovil defeat...indeed one could argue Shay McCartan missed an easier chance in the first game....he winds him up in training by telling him he owes us half a million.

Re: James Gray
 

Coley also reiterated that anybody can speak to him at any time. Pop down to the club during the daytime. Jimmy also stated that we are using HYndburn Sports Centre to train on which for me is worrying and that the council had not phoned back about other potential sites after both JC and JB had a meeting with them. Surprise surprise.

Re: James Gray
 

I am of the opinion the council want stanley "OUT" of the crown simple as.

Re: James Gray
 

I agree. Hence why they have never given us the ground...thus allowing us access to football foundation grants to improve the infrastructure. The council reflect the townspeople in their attitude towards the club.

Re: James Gray
 

I wouldn't take it personally against the club, they are trying to close the whole town down :mad:

Re: James Gray
 

Maybe we could start some kind of petition to make Hyndburn Council see sense and let us have the ground at a reasonable asking price I do,nt think anybody expects it for nothing. Could be really beneficial for both parties in years to come.

Re: James Gray
 

All the land on Livingstone Rd is earmarked for housing development so could make more money from builders

Re: James Gray
 

Many years ago I was told that the original plan was to extend Livingstone Road through to Whinney Hill and build on the HBC land on the right beyond the gate that is there (I was told that on the left it was LCC land.) However it was pointed out that the previous use of the land made that impossible so the road just stops.

Possibly none of this is of any use as nothing was said about either the 'Crown' ground or that of the 'Accy Amateurs.'

Re: James Gray
 

Hyndburn's intentions could be revealed if someone or some group made an application to designate The Crown ground a "community asset". This is often done to protect open space, and even pubs, from redevelopment. If the ASSC are interested, I could send them the details of the process, if not already aware.
It would be an interesting 'political' statement if the Council's planning authority refused to designate the ground as such.

Re: James Gray
 

Well said.

Re: James Gray
 

The Amatuers ground still has another 10 years to run on the lease

Re: James Gray
 

Nice to see some discussion on the issue of James Gray. I asked John and Jimmy straight out, Is the problem with James and John a personal one, He emphatically denied any personal grudge or anything else. I was a little dissappointed at the turn out for both the supporters club meeting and the Q&a with jimmy and John. I was impressed with the way they answered the questions without attempting to dodge a question. I even dared to question his tactical play and other playing systems. He answered straight as to why he played certain systems against certain clubs, All things including injuries and suspensions made the difference. All things considered it was a good night.

Re: James Gray
 

don't know if you've got local elections along with the general - good time to ask candidates for statement of intent re Stanley if so.

Chris R : - thanks for brief John/Jimmy comments - were they asked about late-on substitutions when we're chasing the game ?

Re: James Gray
 

Have always thought it would be a perfect training ground / facility for Stanley.

Re: James Gray
 

The site as a whole would house a Football League ground plus 2 full size training pitches for use by the club/Amateurs/club representative sides such as The Ultras or a Ladies side. Car parking plus landscaping would complete the site. From a traffic point of view the road would need completing to Whinney Hill to give two relief flows.

Site provision could be made for facilities that the town lacks (such as a large music venue)

HBC should be pushing something like this to provide the town's primary asset with the means to compete locally and nationally, and the town itself would also be able to compete at county level with other towns of a similar size

completing Livingstone Road would also link the residential and industrial estates which could bring about multiple other benefits

Re: James Gray
 

I'm beginning to wonder about your expectations :)

I thought the turnout was decent

Re: James Gray
 

In the 2000 Local Plan it looks to be designated as Green Belt. I can't see anything that updates this mentioning the site.

Also how could the club afford to build a new ground?

Re: James Gray
 

in a nutshell Chewie, the club couldn't. No club anywhere should expect the council to help them out (Doncaster's did - £32m), but it is something that I feel the council could work with the club towards if it fulfils various criteria.

ie

• if such a vision came to pass then surely the club would be able to offer more paid jobs?
  
• the Community side of the club is woefully under advertised and (from what I can see) does a wonderful job - much of this is what is says on the tin and is for the benefit of the community
  
• as a venue for things other than football such as the Carnival, Mela, Music Concerts
  
• the 'training pitches' would be maintained by the club but could be for use by the boys leagues thus taking some of the strain off the Parks Department.
  
• as a full time, professionally operated business, then the club could potentially offer far more educational openings than it already does?

It's all pie in the sky, but the Council could reap a far higher nominal rent than the nominal rent it is bound to at the moment. Just to put any kind of a figure to it I believe the current rent to be less than £1000 per year and we have some sort of covenant in place that we can live there at the agreed price for x number of decades. If the council were to fund some sort of venue that we operate we could potentially pay a rent of say £100,000 per annum. The council would recoup its investment in a short set of years, and would have generated a good lump of goodwill, and would have improved the facilities stock of its constituents, and would have helped its chief export to sell itself better. The club, whilst being saddled with a significantly higher expense than it currently has, would be provided with the means to generate its own income from better facilities than it currently has, whilst also getting the opportunity to win back many of the fans lost to a dripping stand roof or putting their foot through a pi$$ sodden portakabin floor.

In reality it would never happen and the best we could hope for from the council would be that they sell the ground out from under us and offer us some sort of recompense to ****** off to the outskirts of the borough where they can't see us.

Re: James Gray
 

maybe there is 10 years left on the amatuers ground lease
but as far as I know there is only 1 year lease left on the crown ground

Re: James Gray
 

This thread is supposed to be about James Gray!!

There are saw really good points on here about the ground but the figures mentioned are totally incorrect.

For the sake of "modertion" correctness I'll close this for now.

Please feel free to discuss this very important topic