James Gray
 

Gone to Southport on loan till the end of the season

Official Southport Website

Re: James Gray
 

Good move for player and club. Hope James does well.

Re: James Gray
 

All depends if we got a recall clause or not, if not then not good.

Re: James Gray
 

hopefully the rougher lower league football with 20stone centre halfs flying through the back of him will toughen him up and teach him how to stay on his feet.

Re: James Gray
 

That spoils the lad in my eyes.:eek:

Re: James Gray
 

Good move for him now Gornells here, I like him and technically he's a talented kid.
Reminds me of Garner at Preston who also goes to ground but seems to always get the decisions.
He will come again,I am 100% sure

Re: James Gray
 

That's the 1st person on here who had the same view on Gray as I do regarding this, yes he does go down too easily sometimes but he also wins a hell of a lot of free kicks.

Personally I think it's not a good move for us to let him go at this time, although the lad probably can't get out of the place quick enough.

Re: James Gray
 

James Gray has 1 year left on his contract doesn't he? You think he will play in red again F19?

Re: James Gray
 

Hope so, but it's near impossible to second guess coley,if he's not in his plans he will have something/someone up his sleeve

Re: James Gray
 

According to James he hasn't left the club and wants to stay and fight for his place which is good of him I think as I like him as a player think he's brillant good footballing brain and just needs the game time to start scoring

Re: James Gray
 

From James Gray's Twitter:


James Phillip Gray ‏@james_tippy10

Just like to say I haven't joined southport on loan , i want to stay and fight for my place at @ASFCofficial ! Wish @southport_fc the best!

Re: James Gray
 

Hope thats the case. As its on Southport website, Stanley should clarify PDQ i reckon.

Re: James Gray
 

From Southport's site:

Official Southport Website

LOAN OFF-GRAY'S DOUBTS END CARDEN INTEREST

Re: James Gray
 

Cheers mate seems they jumped the gun a bit?

Re: James Gray
 

Think we can read between the lines as to what's happened.

Good on yer James.

Re: James Gray
 

They have now:
http://accringtonstanley.co.uk/2015/02/gray-stays/

Re: James Gray
 

its obvious whats happened. He's training with them today and doesn't like it/confirmed his doubts. So has decided to come back and try and get in the side.

Re: James Gray
 

Id think that would be a step down for him and not good though we proberly wouldn't loan him out to another league 2 side! I think he just needs the games get his confidence and scoring boots back on

Re: James Gray
 

Think it's more likely he was 'persuaded' to go!!

Re: James Gray
 

Should have taken the move, regardless of wanting to stay and fight for his place, which is a pointless exercise anyway as it's clear he wasn't in Coleman's plans and doing this is probably the final nail in his coffin.

He'll get a rollocking tomorrow morning and I doubt he'll be seen in a matchday squad between now and the end of the season, barring some sort of crisis.

Suspect that he'll be offered a mutual termination of his contract in the summer, too. He should definitely take that and try to move on in his career because it's all been downhill for him since Beattie left.

Re: James Gray
 

is he on decent wages?

is Hunt still our highest earner? Heard Gornells wage matched what Hunt is on.

Re: James Gray
 

Good on the lad for wanting to stay - who knows, maybe him & Coley have sorted out any differences they might have had?
Hope his persistence pays off for him - I suppose only time will tell

Re: James Gray
 

Yes it's just werid he doesn't fit in colys eyes under Beattie I thought he was one of the best players

Re: James Gray
 

You seem to know a lot about it!
So he should accept being forced out and ostracised of he doesn't go with a smile on his face, what a crock. If what you say is true fair play to the lad for standing up to the terrible twosome.

Re: James Gray
 

Joint top scorer irish international and a bright future a head of him,dont blame him turning down the chance to go on loan to southport.if he does go theres not much cover left up front. I do agree thou that he goes to ground alot.

Re: James Gray
 

Very strange u turn.
I can only think southport couldn't guarantee him starting every game,doesn't make sense to me.
The lad needs games and there's little difference between league two and conference.

Re: James Gray
 

:) Sounds better when you say your a league player and play for a league club!! And may be if he dropped down to the conference he'd be over looked by the irish fa...

Re: James Gray
 

Glad hes still here, but as far as i'm concerned, seems like another lad thats been treated like a piece of crap by the wonderful one.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

how do you know that? he just hasn't been picked. There are only 11 who can start a game football. people unfortunately have to miss out.

Re: James Gray
 

Common sense helps.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Has Marcus been treated badly? Bowerman? Hatfield? Windass (he's probably played a similar number of mins).....

Or do you have a direct line to all the thoughts and feelings of players in the squad?

Re: James Gray
 

At least 1 of those has. got a direct line to stupidity though.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Cashman, your avoiding the issue

Re: James Gray
 

I can understand gray being dropped for johnno, who made an impact and was pretty much playing in his accustomed role. In a similar way I get that gornell starts ahead of him. But I don't get the crooks situation and can see that as being insulting towards gray. Its almost like subbing the keeper for a midfielder to go in the nets..

Re: James Gray
 

Surely the best way to fight for your place is to show form while getting match practice at a good level? Seems like an unwise move to me but we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Unlike others on here I wouldn't want to play pantomime and vilify the player or the manager :rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

That's true, Shaker, but how does that approach square with Mr.Carver's loan? He could get a hat-trick in six consecutive games for Barrow but that would do him no favours in fighting for his place at Stanley.
I just hope Messrs Coleman and Gray can sort things out. It's not many clubs that loan out their top scorer. But Gray has to man-up on the pitch and cut out the petulance that got him sent off at Oxford and the diving. And Professor Coleman will, I trust, respect Gray's determination to 'fight for his place', and to stand up to him (if the Southport loan was indeed the manager's suggestion), rather than hold a grievance for the rest of the season.

Re: James Gray
 

I've got a better idea, let's get Beattie back 'cos he liked him :rolleyes:

this forum is crap now, same old drivel on every single thread being posted

Re: James Gray
 

BBC Sport - James Gray: Southport cancel loan after one training session

maybe more to it than "I want to fight for my place"?

Re: James Gray
 

Usual dross from you Davo, i said at least 1, Avoiding the issue is you about J.B. yeh been asked by quite a few, but never answered.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Now be fair, everyone can't be as eloquent as you.:rolleyes::D

Re: James Gray
 

I agree, especially with those who bring Mr.Beattie at any and every opportunity.;)

Re: James Gray
 

I know nothing - it's all guesswork, opinion and assumption. :D

He wasn't in Coleman's plans anyway, hence his sporadic appearances from the bench every few games, so turning down a loan move and a chance to play some games is hardly going to endear him to the manager, is it? He's messed around and ****ed off a few people at both clubs with his actions and tweet which doesn't reflect well upon him either.

He isn't out of contract until June 2016 and I doubt Coleman will want to keep him around next season so I assume James will be offered the chance to leave at the end of the season. Looking at the situation, he shouldn't want to stay and waste a year of his career at his age when it would be better spent elsewhere playing games regularly and developing as a player rather than coming in to train every day at Stanley hoping for a miracle that sees him get back in the team.

Re: James Gray
 

Just because Marcus is local everybody seems to think he's the next Messi. Would people be raving about him if he was scouse? Absolutely ridiculous.

He is a grafter yes...but so is my plumber and I don't think he should start every game. I hope he comes back a better player but he is nowhere near being a first team regular at this moment.

Re: James Gray
 

Disagree. The manager has to be in charge at any club. He is effectively the players line manger. Look at Sir Alex Feguson with Jaap Staam and David Beckham. Otherwise you end up with a "mutiny on the bounty" scenario.

Re: James Gray
 

I agree Carver deserves praise for all of his non footballing assets, his actual ability with a ball at his feet is somewhat limited.

James Gray only has himself to blame.

Re: James Gray
 

From Port Chat

Port Chat :: View topic - James Gray

It's not Southport's fault that somebody who can't get in Accy's team decides he's too big for the Conference. If he wants to be that stupid, best off without him.

Sums it up perfectly for me.

Re: James Gray
 

regardless of whats gone! Both Gray & Carver have been sent out on loan (or tried to be sent haha) because they dont cut it at League Level.

This isnt to say they are good enough period they are both very young players, plying their trade in a lower league, getting vital playing experience will help them both develop. If Gray is too stubborn to see that he isnt quite good enough, yet! then more the fool him

Re: James Gray
 

For a young lad you don't half talk some sense !!,it would have benefited all concerned

Re: James Gray
 

Has Carver had a decent run to see if he cuts it? NO. But if it suits some to kiss Colemans ass so be it.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

he didnt under beattie.

2 managers who dont think he is good enough to start in league 2, but what do they know!
Its probably why man united, barcelona and bayern munich came into sign him, not as if he has ended up in the conference north playing at Barrow.

Re: James Gray
 

J.B. gave him the contract cos hes useless? or cos he saw potential? there was every reason to give him a run instead of the midfielder, but yer too biased to admit that simple fact,:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Really harsh criticism on here for the two young lads.

What exactly has Gray done wrong? Hes decided he didnt want to go to a particular club at this particular time which is his perogative.The people that deserve criticism in this event are the two clubs who publicised the deal without anything being signed.

As for only having 'himself to blame' as one of The Coalman's sycophants has stated, blame for what??

Gray is obviously not The Coalman's cup of tea, thats football and happens all the time in football. The issue here is that it's obviously more than that. The Coalman has gone on record to say Gray is a good lad and probably our best chance of scoring, so why has he consistently ignored him when we've needed a goal or our front men were struggling.

This thread had once again turned into a vehicle for The Coalman's storm troopers to spread the bile and castigate anyone who disagrees with his mantra.

Blind faith and hatred will consume you guys let it go. JB ain't coming back dont worry, The Coalman will reign forever!!! B

Re: James Gray
 

Once again our debate turns into love/loathe Coleman,when it should be about how a young player can progress in his career.
For me it was an ideal opportunity to go out on loan,score goals,get rave revues, build his confidence and make a statement.
Harry Kane wasn't in the picture at Spurs and following numerous loans,he built up his experience and look at him now.
Football is about opinions but it's only the managers that counts and I am sure he's only interested in what's best for Accy.

Re: James Gray
 

As far as i'm concerned this is about right or wrong,simple as, Yer as bad as Davo fer being biased football19.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

How do you know anything about the deal, whether the lad was going to play, what position, finances etc? Answer: you don't!

Re: James Gray
 

I agree would of been a good opportunity for him to go out her confidence back! Score goals and learn more of being a player in lower league but something has gone on for him to turn it down wether he wanted to go or was more pushed out! I hope he does work the way into the side and scores!

Re: James Gray
 

If you agree to turn up at a training session and afterwards tell the Southport manager you have changed your mind, then there is only 1 person to blame.

Re: James Gray
 

Cashman is cracking up.
Anyone who shows an ounce of support or agreement with the manager is called biased!

Your argument does not hinge on beattie giving him a run in the team because he didn't,
it does not hinge on the lad being wanted by other football or conference clubs because he isn't,
It's does not hinge on his game changing ability when he has come on as so far despite his excellent attitude and workrate he hasn't shown a lot,
It hinges upon beattie offering the lad a contract the same time beattie was handing out contracts like confetti.

If someone gets a contract they must be good!

Re: James Gray
 

So you're not allowed to meet in person?

Telephone only? Carrier pidgeon? Cans with string?

Let it go sad man

Re: James Gray
 

Hope the lad breaks into the side and bags even more this season! Fair play to come out and to say he wants to fight his way back into the starting 11 at stanley! Good luck to him!

Re: James Gray
 

You clearly don't know what happened, but rather than help remove your ignorance I will let you bathe in it as you seem to enjoy getting angry.

Re: James Gray
 

Numpty, me point was and i said J.B. musta thought he had potential. That does not mean the guy gets played instantly, Everyone i see seems to be of the opinion that one thing J.B. did by giving contracts longer than usual at the club, were a good thing to help stability,plus if other clubs came in then stanley wouldn't see them walk away as in previous seasons, whilst he certainly wasn't perfect, that was a good thing, so can i repeat Numpty.

Re: James Gray
 

Ok cashman, whatever you say.

Re: James Gray
 

Which is more appropriate and less hostile than being called a "hater", don't you think, Davo?:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

Pathetic get a life, :enough:

Re: James Gray
 

Time for oil-pouring yet again I fear ?...
Like Macca says there is, and I don't care to use the word but it seems to fit, crap appearing in every thread posted on our Forum.
So I won't mention Coleman, or the long gone Beattie whose work and influence at the Club are long gone and therefore of little relevance whatsoever !.
As for James Gray, whose ground-level antics displayed much too often, I don't like at all, It is I think that he is a young man finding his way in a difficult profession which often lands an individual between a rock and a hard place, and where a lack of experience and immaturity can have a serious effect on their development and opportunity !.
Skill level, in such situations doesn't seem to matter, and peripheral effects like Managerial preference and the presence of other more favoured players often decides their position in the pecking order for team selection.
If this is the case for young James then can I suggest that he firstly has the opportunity to sit down with someone having the wisdom to talk him through what must seem to him like an insoluble dilemma, and secondly that he does show the mettle and courage to make a real impression on all who are there to manage his journey towards finding his place in Soccer !.
Too many lads have been lost to the game at his age. Hope that James doesn't join their ranks !.

Re: James Gray
 

Maybe he thinks he is good enough and that being his problem?

Re: James Gray
 

Right or wrong?,I unsure what you mean,
The club doesn't have a reserve side so how's he going to force his way back in?,surely playing games and scoring is the best avenue.
Never been biased cashy,i try to be honest on how I see it.
I have always said I like him, but it's game time he needs and he won't get in at the moment ahead of gornell

Re: James Gray
 

Hang on a minute. What you 'blaming' him for Dav0 ? He's made a decision for whatever reason concerning his own career and what direction it should take. He's spent a day with them, decided it's not right for him and changed his mind. In any walk of life be it plumber, brickie, scaffolder or whatever people are allowed to decide if something is right for them or not. 'Blame' has absolutely nothing to do with it except in the twisted logic world of Dav

Re: James Gray
 

I don't know about trusting your great Messiah's ability to assess forwards ,which of the above great clubs snatched the services of Colemans greatest find Crooks....please remind me where he's playing now?

Re: James Gray
 

A club even greater than man United, Barcelona and bayern Munich, a club called Accrington Stanley.

It's only a rumour, but let's wait and see.

Re: James Gray
 

Anyone else heard of this development ?...... rumour or otherwise ?.

Re: James Gray
 

this is a james gray thread, by the way he's on the way to training, this morning

Re: James Gray
 

Nah just more crap imho.

Re: James Gray
 

Just Davo being mischievous yet again. If that really happens then Coley has lost his marbles and I'll eat my hat. I have never put anyone on "ignore" yet but I'm sorely tempted.

Re: James Gray
 

Perhaps Gray's reluctance to join Southport on loan was to do with the fact they are part- time. He may have been selected to play more games than he has been at Stanley but his fitness would surely have suffered due to only training part-time. Just a thought.

Re: James Gray
 

Crooks could be a good squad player for Stanley if played in his proper position.

Re: James Gray
 

I think Marcus Carver is training with us aswell as Barrow seen as they only train part time too.

Re: James Gray
 

If thats the case, its hard to see how our lads will benefit from such loans, seeing they won't get familiar with that teams players.:confused: Be much better in my eyes if they were loaned to clubs that trained full time surely?

Re: James Gray
 

Perhaps its a case of both?

Train with Stanley when their part-time clubs are not training?

Re: James Gray
 

That would be better if so, to be honest have no idea how its done.:confused:

Re: James Gray
 

That is how it's done.

I wonder if Gray will ever spill the beans about the real reason he didn't fancy it.

Re: James Gray
 

Re: James Gray
 

He is young enough to get away with 'spilling the Beans' but if I were to start 'Spilling my Beans' then Mrs Choirboy will have me packed off to the 'Old Folk's Home' before you can say 'Morecambe Red!':dummy2:

Re: James Gray
 

What is his Twitter name?

Re: James Gray
 

@james_tippy10

Re: James Gray
 

Check out the first page of this thread, it's on there - post 11 I think but for God's sake don't go harassing the lad about it, there's only a handful of people I reckon who know the truth of the situation & I would imagine none of them post on here :rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

'this forum is crap now, same old drivel on every single thread being posted'

the usual cry from some old has been that's nowt left in his locker :rolleyes:
dig yer boots out and stick em on !

Re: James Gray
 

i'll stick me boots on when the small handful of posters give o'er dominating every thread with the same two topics of rubbish. Until then those boots were made for walking

Re: James Gray
 

It dont suit me i'm going, bit of a pathetic statement imho, if i didn't know yeh, i'd think yeh were related to Malcolm The Mole.:rolleyes:

Re: James Gray
 

I agree with you maccawozzagod, its a shame they cant help but be negative about the club.
I would encourage you to stay on here and keep being positive, we need to stick together.

Re: James Gray
 

Thanks Reamer !.

Unfortunately I only own Golf shoes nowadays !.

Re: James Gray
 

sorry Reamer but personally I think it's better to have forum that's alive with with old drivel as you put it, than a forum that's only posted on twice a day

Re: James Gray
 

Think you've got your wires crossed Accybeme the 'same old drivel' quote was not mine. My mistake , should have quoted in the usual way

Re: James Gray
 

Think you've missed the point macca. If you believe the forum is crap and dominated by certain topics the only way to change that, other than 'walking', is to counteract by choosing your own topics, which was meant by 'dig yer boots and stick em on' line. As for the two topics of rubbish, I think we've all been guilty of posting rubbish at some time haven't we ? To me the threads have a natural life span and then everyone leaves em and moves on to the next. When you're following a footy club there's two main discussions - players and managers. What's the problem ?

Re: James Gray
 

Its a damn good thing a small number comment on every thread, otherwise there would be NO FORUM, Dont get why yer carrying on like a drama queen Rob?:confused:

Re: James Gray
 

The problem is most threads wander off topic and end up either pro or anti Beattie or Coleman or Dav0 adds some nonsense and people react to it. This is another example of it as the thread was about James Gray but is fall of allsorts.

Threads work fine if they stay on topic. There is also an ignore poster setting which will not show posts from people on it unless someone quotes them.

Re: James Gray
 

nobody is being a drama queen Cashman. I purely made a comment that this forum is nothing but drivel and other people have commented further.

I used to post frequently (check the stats under my username, and they're all in here rather than Accyweb in general), but the last year or two all topics descend into the same old rubbish like deeayess has just posted.

Nobody is making a drama, nobody is walking.

All the people who say Accyweb is rubbish still read it, as it will always be the mouthpiece for those in the know to let things out, however, as time progresses less and less people post and just remain in the background reading.

I've tried using the ignore setting but I had that many people on it that threads made no sense at all!

Re: James Gray
 

Well yeh did say these boots are made fer walking, and its a simple fact if the few didnt post regular then the forum would probably cease to exist, like many other forums have, its not rocket science. The ignore is fine fer those that need it, I dont, People can agree or disagree thats what lifes all about.

Re: James Gray
 

In my opinion more people would contribute if the polarized DAV versus the Cashman clique bollocks wasn't clogging up every thread.