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Some absolutely shocking and embarrassing comments in the Newport math thread effectively calling for the manager to go

As a loyal proper fan I am ashamed other so called 'fans' could spout such negative words

I hope John and Jimmy recognise that the comments come from a a handful of long term haters who have been against their return from day one -

a few of them stated they wouldn't attend games anymore if they returned as the first team managers, based on the comments yesterday its a shame they didn't stick to their word.

Get behind the club

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Greetings, oh ye from another planet.

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It's probably no coincidence Dav007 that these are the same people that don't like you being in the position of fan's rep.

Some people refuse to acknowledge the efforts and achievements of others. They must think both jobs are easy, or resent the prestige that both manager and fans rep brings.

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we,re all upset by yesterdays fiasco but lets not get too OTT about everything that happened. knowing football we could all be on here next week saying what a great bunch of lads we,ve got celabrating a cup win at bradford with a terry gornell winner. this is not sarcasm its what can happen. watched too much football over the years to see that one week is a long time in this game.

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We were out played and out thought by a Westley team, no surprises at all. It was a dire game with a poor crowd and a poor atmosphere.

My lad blamed the referee entirely ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM2GC27oXkA

Substitutions were nowhere near quick enough - as soon as their first goal went in we should have thrown them all on.

Somehow we find ourselves still in the mix at the right end of the table, god knows how because we've shown no form or no consistency this season.

After a good season last year we've flattered ourselves this year and probably think we have a better team than we actually have. There's work to be done and there's players who need replacing, but it has to be an ongoing process. We should have a half decent team next year with the longer contracts we dish out now.

No knee jerking here, just an acceptance that we're nowhere near as good as we thought we were

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Are you on drugs LordD?:rolleyes:

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Luckily Andy Holt is a massive Coley fan and doesn't listen to such bile. Belives he deserves a Championship job. Or will people slate Andy Holt now? Thought not. We've had unparalleled glory under John and Jimmy and the way some people talk about them is disgusting. Some in that main stand can't wait for us to lose. It's like being down the road at Deadwood Park.

Beattie went 12 without a win and didn't get such stick.

It's akin to United fans slaying Fergie or Liverpool fans slating Shankly. Criticise when it's fair in terms of the performance but you don't get three promotions and almost a 4th on gates of 1200 without having something about you. People let their personal vendettas mask reality...and then when John and Jimmy come into the Crown they hide away in the corner. Spineless.

The lows feel lower after so many highs last season. We are going to play badly and get beat. It's part of the game.

Nah you're right. He's a clueless buffoon who won three promotions by accident and constantly gets us to punch above our weight by sheer luck.

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Knee-jerk, indeed, Davo! Your thread topic is both knee-jerk and so, so predictable.
This is a fans' forum, not some Korean political party based on a personality cult.
Fans pay hard-earned money to watch football. Fans are individuals, not sheep. They have their own views, often different from the ones I have, but they are entitled to express them without a self-appointed Witch-Finder General leaping up every time there's criticism of the management team or any particular player.
I've not asked for anyone's sacking and I don't think many on here are doing that either. Of the two managers on show yesterday, I thank heavens we have Professor Coleman.
But, if you recall some of his recent interviews he has accepted that he must take criticism, particularly for home displays. That's all I have read on here...criticism.
If indeed you really believe yourself to have some divine right to represent all fans then you need to accept that they may not all agree with you all the time.

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In fairness to Dav007, if we are on a witch hunt for knee jerk reactionaries then how about those who instantly jump down his throat every time the poor bloke posts something (if that metaphor holds true on't tinternet).

I don't know if it's just because he's in a position of authority, and there to be shot at, that he gets a lot of stick or what? He's only the fan's rep for gods sake, not the prime minister.

Hands off our Dav007. That's what I say.

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Hes in no position at all,which is why i asked if yeh were on drugs.:rolleyes:

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If that's so, then how come there's been an improvement in the DJing of late and the leaves had been swept from the concourse yesterday? Plus, no matches rained off so far this season. These things don't just happen by chance.

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Oh my god, if yeh think thats down to Dav, then yer seriously on drugs.:D

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And, I might add, he's very modest about these achievements. Not going around bragging like reps of other clubs do.

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Not as far as I am concerned. The idea of a ****-taking wind-up merchant like Dav representing me or anybody else is a joke (actually I think the fans' rep idea was itself only a wind-up from the start), but I do come down on his side in this eternally ongoing argument. In my opinion, it's not a case of JC having taking us as far as he can, it's a case of him having already taken us well beyond anywhere we've a right to be, given a hard-core support of maybe 1200, and kept us there for 10 years, give or take a couple of years in the middle when he went elsewhere to prove his methods only work for us.

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Best post ive read on here in a long while.

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Ha ha ha ha, have you been having too many beers in the Fletcher Moss? :D

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Nah its drugs wyn, ale cant do that much damage surely?

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The pitch is normally okay this time of year before the water table rises, I am thinking specifically of the low attended Hartlepool game 2 years ago at the same time which followed torrential rain, but the pitch looked at its best. However from December it was always a different matter, but with he improvements hopefully not this season.

As for knee jerk reaction from fans, that always has happened and always will. After being subject to 2 hours of that football fans will vent their ire.

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"celebrating a cup win at bradford with a terry gornell winner"

Not ruddy likely!!!

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Slightly more likely than a McConville hat-trick!
:hehetable

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Let's all stay friends, let's get behind the club and look forward to promotion

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What do you mean?

'STAY FRIENDS'?

D'you actually have any??

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Yer opening post wasn't very friendly,:rolleyes: everyones behind the club always have been, seems in your world, those with different views aint.

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exactly Dav007. What is needed isn't just being friendly, or words on a forum, it's doing your bit for the club. We need to think less of nice days out in Bradford and more about spirit of the blitz in Luton.

To that end myself and Er Indoors shall be getting behind big John and little Jim by going to the Luton match. I shall be taking my brother, Lord Harpenden, (of Accrington by birth) for his first ever Stanley match. He is under instructions to sing more loudly than he does at the Last Night of the Proms.
I am also raiding the Didsbury Hall restoration fund and flying my youngest daughter down from Glasgow. She's no singer but can drum.
I am still working on my parents, who are less keen since Newport (my mother annoyingly getting all dewy eyed over Sean Dyche again after their 0-0 draw).

My eldest and her beau will also be there. They have no interest in football, so should enjoy it.

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Dav007 - if you don't have any friends you can be mine.

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I'm not sure baldy will be happy to share me??

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In reply to DAV007, My post was a fair critical opinion on the team over the first part of the season so far. By now they should have gelled and should be interchangeable. As a fan of many of our players one player does not make a team. The tactics we seem to deploy are so predictable they are now useless. I have asked if the management have taken the club as far as they can. I have not asked for them to be sacked as such. Another member made the point that they have taken us further than we had any right to expect. I don't share that view but it is a view. As for Andy Holt I can only praise him for the finance and personal effort he has put into the club. Other people have been saying for some time that we don't use subs as early as we should and we seem to make some weird choices to take off. Again that is their opinion. Ultimately the manager lives or dies on results. We have to be honest and open to criticism and prepare to change things that are obviously not working. The real measure of how successful the club is can be measured by the attendance which is slipping drastically. The club can not survive on gates of 1200. The rot has to be stopped now. To say people making any critical comment is embarrassing I disagree as you don't seem to fire off at people who slate certain players off. We need to see some dramatic improvement from both players in performance and managers in terms of tactical nounce and bravery to leave underperforming players out as we would expect. If the management can't do that we have to ask why. If we are not scoring and winning then we are in very serious trouble.

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[QUOTE=Chrisr;1180193]In reply to DAV007, We have to be honest and open to criticism and prepare to change things that are obviously not working. The real measure of how successful the club is can be measured by the attendance which is slipping drastically. The club can not survive on gates of 1200. The rot has to be stopped now.

so true. apart from the portsmouth game the games this season have been poor to say the least and will not live long in the memory. the weather isn,t going to get any better and without improvement in performances i can see less than 1000 turn up for the yeovil game if the weather is bad. i imagine that coley and jimmy are as anoyed and disapointed as we are but lets hope we can find a plan B as the present one will only put off any fans who are not one hundred per cent committed. there,re other things to do on a saturday afternoon to bore you for less money.

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DAV .......
a) You seem to really like TRIPE! ....You can still get it on Accy Market you know!
b) Your reaction seems to be a 'Knee Jerk' job but you are fully entitled to express it. Be aware though that people don't have to agree with it.
c) This is a fans forum and any user is entitled to make comments about the team and management so long as they do it politely. I don't think that there are any 'Haters' .... that it is just a silly expression used by you.
d) I fully endorse and agree with your sentiments about being positive! When I post comments I always take great care in my choice of language and I always try to be positive. (Even though it was difficult to do so after the match against Newport!)
e) The 'DJing' has not improved IMHO. The only way to improve it is to not have it at all! We don't need ANY 'music' before and after the match or at half time! All we need is a welcome statement to supporters of both teams, the relevant safety instructions, team selection announcements, half time scores, winning draw numbers and a polite thank you after the match is over with wishes expressed for a safe journey home!

Happy Halloween Dav.:dflam:

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Get behind the club

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Thanks for the link baldy

Sir Andy Holt has mentioned this thread on Twitter


Vindication

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Quite right too Dav007. And now that Mr Holt has officially decried the Accyweb rebels via Twitter, it is good to know that resistance is futile.

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More like inebriation.

With regard to a knee jerk reaction by some its seems to have taken some time for the knee to jerk. Our home league record this season reads W3 L3 D2. Since Jan last season W5 L1 D6. We are more likely not to win at home than to win at home. This pattern cost us promotion last season.

I can't see anyone calling for the management's heads, just an acknowledgement that this record and the underlying tactical set up is not working.

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100% correct Inspector Morse, but some are much too dense fer that penny to drop.

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i think that everyone who posts on here are behind the club otherwise they would not spent time and money going to games. can see no rebellion on here either, just fans who have a different points of view and are looking for an improvement on the pitch at the wham. there,s no stupid posts e.g. sack the manager, board etc.. if people are not happy with what,s posted on here try the poolie bunker and other club websites where real rebellion and bile are spouted on regular occasions. we all have different views but the end is the same the improvement of accrington stanley f.c. and long may it continue.

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We were the first team in the history of the 4th division not to be promoted on 85 points last season so to criticise last season is ridiculous but thats gone now.
Also ChrisR quite clearly stated that this management team have taken the club as far as they can which translates to wanting them sacked to me.
As for the club wanting 'better days' as someone put it. Was West Ham away not a better day for this club? Was the Burnley game not a better day for this club? Both of which took place THIS season. League form hasn't been great but theres no need for the over reaction Saturday got. If we were bottom and winless in 12 then maybe but we're 9th and a couple of points outside play off positions. No doubt I'll be shot down for this like everyone on here who disagree with the select few but this is my opinion and I'm sure that which is matched by many other supporters.

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To be clear I am not criticising last year. Taken as a whole it was a miracle. However it was not perfect and we did not end up with what we deserved.

In order to make sure we do get what we deserve ( I think we're good enough to make the playoffs this year) we should reflect on what has gone before, see what we can learn and apply it in the future. If we don't we will continue to underperform.

I am certainly not calling for Coley's head. The guys a legend.

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Who actually is? still if it suits an agenda of some.:rolleyes:

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Does DAV007 rejoice under the alter ego of Lord Didsbury?:confused::rolleyes:

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Do you reckon the Springer Spaniel could have done a better job?

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Accystan1962, If you read My post's I have ASKED if the management have taken the club as far as they can, This was an opener to a debate. Last season we had a completely different team/Squad. Yes we did well and did not get our just rewards we all know that. We didn't have a proper preseason against good opposition, We all knew the pitch works had to be done and we are benefitting from it already. This season has been a total disappointment so far. I have stated my opinions and some people have agreed or disagreed and taken part in a healthy debate. We are behind the club as has been pointed out. If you think I am an anti Coleman/Bell you could not be further from the truth. As a fan I can't ignore the results, I can not ignore the poor and obvious tactics we employ. The Newport team exploited us so easily it was embarrassing. They are not the only ones. we don't change tactics, formation until it is too late. our substitutions are ill timed and usually too late. Saturday was a surprise when changes were made earlier and it did change the game. It is frustrating for fans who can see the same mistakes every week and nothing is being changed. Just watch, we will play Bradford and have a good game like West Ham etc. but our league performance is not up to scratch. Everybody in the ground can see it. A good friend and supporter is someone who tells you how it is even if it is painful. If you and DAV can't understand that then there is no use commenting on other peoples views.

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I think there's a certain weariness that can creep in from too much criticism. (That applies to Coleman criticising the fans too, of course.)

It would no doubt be helpful for Mr Holt and Mr Coleman to feel love and praise for their efforts and not discover (from outside observers) instead that fans are grumbling. Positivity often breeds positivity I find.

Without advocating this place being an echo chamber, maybe Judicious biting of the tongue, rather than always speaking one's mind might help on occasion?

But each to their own philosophy I suppose.

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As the voice of the silent majority, I'm happy we have a wide diversity of views and welcome all fans to share their opinion

Onwards and upwards

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Yer opening post says yer ashamed not welcoming, meaning yer full of sheeite.:rolleyes::D

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Correct Cashman, a wide variety of views.

But there is a big difference between respecting someone's view and accepting someone's view.

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And no doubt you'll only accept the views of those who agree with your own....

Fact is....the "post / position " you supposedly own was never advertised.............

You castigate and criticise those who have a different opinion than your own....and label them as " haters ":mad:

I, like many others want A.S.F.C. to succeed and keep moving onward and upward....

Those who we pay good money to watch, should be able to accept criticism ......especially when we have to put up with such abject performances such as the last game....

If the management read "riot acts" to the players......I would sincerely hope that they recognise that one particular player doesn't deserve a place in the side. :confused:

It doesn't take Einstein to work out who that individual is.:rolleyes:

With a squad as large as it ever has been in my memory.... ( and it goes back to Unibond days ) sentiment and other emotions should not come into the equation.:mad:

It would also help if we had plans "B" ...."C" and "D" when Plan "A" fails ( which has no doubt been well and truly sussed by all opposition )

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I don't agree with some of the comments on your post carpon, but to help bury the hatchet, to help the club move forward and to get the fans re-united I will not comment further.

Perspective is required from all contributors

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I honestly reckon yeh do agree wi what carpons view is, Theres no hatchet to bury, its just an honest view by carpon, summat you seem to me,to be unable to give.:rolleyes:

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Gentlemen,
I fail to see why any criticism of the management should be regarded by some as a sign of treason, deserving an immediate death sentence for anyone found guilty.
We have a good squad of players at Stanley. When they play well, we praise them. When they don't, sometimes consistently, we are entitled to criticise.
Now here's the rub! In the after-match video, Jimmy Bell emphasised how the players had been drilled all week about the way in which we were going to beat Newport.
Having attended every home game this season, I suggest that the team performed pretty much to script and yet we were simply outplayed by Newport. Why?
Was it the players fault, as inferred by the management, or were we playing to the wrong 'script'?

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I think the rub here is that nobody likes to be criticized by others, fans always have & always will voice their opinions, be they tactical experts, tactical idiots or somewhere in-be-tween, I think rather than make an issue out of some-ones criticism we should consider the comments, then either except or it reject it, but making an argument over it is pointless