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the beauty of the flexi ticket was you could take a mate using the vouchers, so you may only end up going to 5 games as you would use all 10 vouchers x2
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In terms of flexi tickets, the 1st page on google search brings up Shrewsbury, Bury, Bradford, Bristol Rovers, Coventry, Peterborough, etc
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Flexis make a great deal of sense,to clubs like ours IMHO
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I haven't seen any club ever do the flexi-tickets we have ever, i.e. any number of people for any game. Most couldn't guarantee never to sell out a league game. Imagine if you had people turning up with flexi tickets for Stevenage last year and being turned away, even stanley can sell out so it is not that easy. |
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I swapped my flexiticket voucher for a ticket in advance at a game before. It wasn't that difficult. |
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If there are hardly any sold it is not a problem, but then they are not worth printing. |
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How is it a flaw if they make flexi holders aware that tickets would have to be exchanged prior to the matchday? On the rare occasions that it would be likely to happen it would be no different to the situation with season tickets and cup games. It only becomes difficult if you want to make it difficult! |
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I think Stanley match day prices are too expensive, and fleecing away fans rather than growing the fan base is a priority. They should go back to £15 match behind the goals, however the club can't see past the short term income from away fans. The U12 frees have been scrapped too, however the price of a game has been halved in this category. I suspect not may u12 free tickets were actually used, and not many flexies were sold, but the same should apply just reduce on the day prices a bit. |
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As I said, it's only as difficult as yu want to make it. As for the reason flexi tickets were introduced, they were treated as season tickets so allowed home fans to pay less than away fans and if they had been used to their potential would have sold in far bigger numbers. The main reason they didn't sell as much was poor marketing and people didn't understand how they worked. Reducing the prices would probably not make up for the lack of income lost unless the team were successful and drew big crowds like at the end of the season. You might grow the fan base slightly before the club went out of business but I doubt it would be a good long term strategy. |
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Flexi tickets are in effect reducing prices - so you have found your own answer. I think it is economically myopic, but you have justified not having them, as they would not make up for the income lost in your own words. |
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OK, since you obviously either don't grasp the concept or have a pathological hatred of flexitickets, how else are you going to get home fans to pay upfront where a season ticket is no good, pay less than £20 per game but still be able to charge away fans £20?
They are a way to build the fan base without losing the extra money from away fans. If economics were the only factor then we wouldn't be charging the ridiculously low price for season tickets since that is where the most income is lost. Unfortunately it is necessary to charge such low prices otherwise poor crowds would be pitiful. I don't think membership cards are the best option as they don't work for casual fans and don't provide the same commitment to go as pre paid flexitickets would. When I had a flexitickets I went to far more games as I have this season as I'm not paying £20 for a loyalty card to get a fiver off. The Club made their choice and I made mine. |
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I haven't seen any club ever do the flexi-tickets we have ever, i.e. any number of people for any game. Most couldn't guarantee never to sell out a league game.
does it really matter if no other clubs do flexi tickets like we do. a good idea for me as we,re not in a position to put any fan off attending. look after what we,ve got before trying to attract others, but that seems old fashioned in the modern world where new customers only seem to get benefits. |
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The fan card scheme is a joke.
Bring back flexi tickets, the club gets the money up front and the commitment from the fan, home fan get a decent sized discount and feels part of the club. Its not hard. Alternatively, carry on with the current structure and dont grow the home fan base or encourage existing fans with commitments. |
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Flexi tickets were a great idea.
Did not sell them in 100's, but they did sell and did appeal :) :) :) :) |
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Wonder who came up with the brainwave of scrapping flexi-tickets? ive a damn good idea. wouldn't surprise me at all.:rolleyes:
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To be honest he is probably one of the reasons I lost the motivation up to a point. He must be good for something, I'm just not sure what :D |
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there must be some reason why there is a downside to them? They just seem like an obviously good idea to me. If the club's aim is to get people to buy season tickets then they must think buying in bulk is a good idea.
However, it's easy for someone from the club, me or anyone on here to think something is going to work, or even if something tried has worked. The ONLY way they will know this for sure is to do some proper analytics on it and have a shed load of data to use. What % of matches do season ticket holders go to? They'd need to know how many games each customer goes to and the effect that reducing prices has, they'd need to trial flexi tickets and see who buys them and what difference that makes. Maybe backed up with face-to-face market research. I'd guess the analytics part won't have been done properly - especially if there's no ticket system and people are still largely paying in cash or without producing a loyalty card. If you had a mass of data you could be even smarter..... you'd know that Mrs Jones, who travels from Rising Bridge with her son hasn't been for a while. You could send her a voucher with £5 off for the two of them without having to make that offer to everyone. Maybe you would know there's a shed load of OAPs in Oswaldtwistle that don't come often. Laying on a special minibus for £3 each might get them to be regulars. You'd SMS the weather to them in advance so they know to bring a flask and a blanket. You'd be emailing mini his-and-her (or his-and-his) ticket offers prior to christmas to the right demographic etc etc OK.... maybe next century. |
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Which is probably why they don't exist anymore, otherwise away fans would allowed to buy them in groups of 10 for parity. Surely a 'ridiculously low' season ticket is incentive enough? I never said I was against flexi tickets in any way, however no other clubs have the same thing was my point, and there is likely to be a reason why, it is blatantly charging away fans more for the same game compared to home fans if bought in a block of 10 for one game. |
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At concessionary rates I just paid £21 at Exeter and £20 at Yeovil. Both clubs, I'm sure, have discounts for home fans in one form another so away fans are not charged the same as home fans at some other grounds.
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Rochdale have brought out a price system so they people who bought one pay less of more people buy one, if 4000 are bought it's at the cheapest price, then for every thousand less that buy the ticket price goes up
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Flexi tickets were treated as season tickets which is why they could be cheaper and as such could be restricted to home areas. Away fans couldn't buy them due to segregation rules. Proper Season tickets don't always suit people who can't make all the games for various reasons and as such would not be value for money. I can't believe you are trying to compare it with the Premier League as there is a reason why they can restrict prices or rather there are tens of millions of reasons - TV money. Fans are an optional extra it seems in the Premier League. Just because other club haven't done the same thing doesn't mean we can't. Perhaps it's because they don't have the lowest crowds in the league? |
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Chrisr - introducing an electronic ticketing system on its own won't tell you much. It needs to go hand-in-hand with a number of other technologies that I would guess would be beyond Stanley (financially and culturally) at this point.
Mayor music event promoters and venues don't have it yet, even though they have the ticketing systems. I guess there's two lines of thought: get a ticketing system now so at least you can gather some data and wait and add the rest later. Or, keep things as they are and concentrate on getting other things done. |
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wrong, other clubs did and do offer them. i never heard of any away fans buying them to get 10 people in, do you have any evidence? simple solution - only sell them up to the start of the season. |
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What really does **** them off though are the pretty atrocious facilities in terms of food [ standard choice and cost ] and toilets. If whats been built at the Clayton End was replicated i.m pretty sure it would actually lead to an increase in visiting fans as in every other area a visit to Accrington is seen as a pretty good experience. But if the New Stand isnt going to be started in the summer it might be a good idea to let the away fans have the end block in the main stand again as the seats on the far side really is somthing that puts off visitors who do for whatever reason want to sit. |
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I'm not sure any other clubs let you buy multiple tickets for the same game, however my contention was you said most did which was a complete fabrication. The fact Stanley don't sell tickets for away games where very few fans attend is understandable, but the discount early prices for the likes of Yeovil are offered to away fans, and maybe a decent online site would help. The problem is for 69 away fans is it worth it? Maybe when then new stand is built and there are better seats available at home and more choice a online site would be practicable for home and away sales. But not at current crowd levels though with the vast majority being season tickets or away fans though. |
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Problem is chewbacca , large groups won't come at £20 each, the discount makes it worthwhile.
It's gonna be pitiful the number of walk on fans who turn up and pay £20 Far better to offer incentives to home fans such as the flexi ticket to try and increase attendance and revenues |
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I think the flexi tickets are a good idea, I'd rather have someone commit to 10 games than maybe 3/4 like Deeayess mentioned!
I think the club will be trying to shove a few season tickets before announcing any flexi ticket deal - if they do at all! To be fair to Dave Burgess and Andy Holt, they do listen to what fans want and try and come up with the best solution for both fans and club! |
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If its business was to try and sell 1,000 suits it would be madness to offer the trousers and jackets as separates at a discount at the same time. Basic marketing. |
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yes and its also self defeating not to have fans money in may/june on a flexi ticket, than have them not attend at all or only come to 1 game.
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What about a nice blazer and roll neck sweater? Suits you sir.
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Why not just tailor it to meet fans needs!
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:) What was said in 2007 http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...t=flexi+ticket post 17 by neil
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Anyone not buying a season ticket is barking mad - knowing that next season we will retain the nucleus of this great team and Coley will once again sprinkle his magic fairy dust and a bright new dawn and certain promotion awaits.
Why not offer flexi tickets to the non-believers? After they have spent their hard-earned on the first five games they will be gagging for more. Net result will be good for the club. The only people buying single tickets will be the tourists desperate for a glimpse of the Redvolution and me poor old mam who pretends she's a Burnley fan and doesn't want to go to too many Stanley games even though she loves em really. |
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I'm not sure buying suits is a good analogy for tickets to be honest.
Possibly perishable goods is better (because what you buy has to be used within a certain period).. I sometimes buy a huge bag of onions from the local grocer knowing they could go off so I'll have to chuck some away - but they are really cheap that way. Sometimes I might buy a small bag - knowing I'll be back for more a week later. Sometimes I buy a pricey single onion if I've only got a fiver with me and I'm buying other stuff. The fact the grocer has that choice means I will keep going back to his shop rather than another. |
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Not sure that's a good analogy either Lord D - you might change grocers if they won't sell you a single onion, no skin off your nose whichever grocers you patronise but would anyone really change football teams as easily, just over a single onion (I mean ticket)?!
All this talk of trousers & vegetables is just clouding the issue - I agree the flexi tickets were a brilliant idea & should be reintroduced but when we did have them I don't think they went on sale until after the season tickets early bird offers had finished. Maybe we could have them as well as the loyalty card, both schemes would have good points for different people & would give as many options as possible to our fans |
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the club can bang on all it likes about selling x number of season tickets but the reality is a lot of people due to work shift patterns can only go to a certain few games no matter how much they want to go. you wouldn,t buy a season ticket if you could only attend half a dozen or so games so there should be something in it for these people.
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'Why not offer flexi tickets to the non-believers? After they have spent their hard-earned on the first five games they will be gagging for more. Net result will be good for the club.'
And let the flexi-ticket fee count towards the price of a season ticket if anyone wants to upgrade. |
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Accymad - you spoilsport. Trousers, onions .... it's a nice distraction from Sean McConville. But, yes, choose your analogies carefully is good advice.
(I think, as we have seen, that people can get rather cross over a single onion (ticket) purchase gone wrong. Maybe not to the point of stopping buying onions.) What's important to the club? Maximising revenue this season? Getting cash in early to fund the squad? Growing the fan base for the future? That will determine whether you are selling onions or trousers. |
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I want some nice shoes for my new suit :-)
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I agree, drop the onion analogy before it ends in tears!
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Flexi ticket £150 10 games
season ticket £219 23 games you go to 11 games and its saving you money as £20 walk on price. Yes if travelling from afar you dont know what games you can attend but getting a season ticket you could pick and save money anyway I like flexi tickets but to sell them and season tickets at the same time when trying to increase our core fans would be defeating the object. lets get behind the club and lets reach target 1000 |
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Please DO drop it - it's just a waist of time.
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Enough, this is a serious subject! If we don't sell the season tickets we will have to cut our cloth accordingly but still get players able to put the ball in the onion bag.
I'll get my coat! :D |
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Just a simple question, after reading the notice put on fishy today, Why is proof of age,plus form to be filled in, if yer just renewing yer season ticket?:confused:
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The proof of age must be for those of us who don't look anywhere near the age we say we are Cashy - lot to be said for Oil of Ulay :)
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My guess would be that they don't keep any records in a format that they can cross refer to so they may need them for younger ages but who know. Bigger clubs probably have a system in place to get round this, I know they do at Ibrox as I operate mine through my online account and I've done the same with juvenile and over 65s for family but they've got more staff and a proper computer system otherwise it wouldn't work as 42000 season tickets have been sold. |
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It dont encourage people pishin em about like that, and they are supposed to be attempting to increase gates!! some may just think why bother renewing.
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[QUOTE= I've yet to see anybody get younger than 65 once they've reached that age.
especially after some home games. i,m sure my hair gets a bit more grey after a game. |
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The latest on the season tickets..........
Early Bird Season Ticket Offer Ends 28th April ? Accrington Stanley 230 sold to date, well on the way, I would think that there will be a big uptake in the next few weeks...... :) Feel sure that 1000 will be announced :) :) :) :) |
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To be fair we did have the option to pay in two halves about 3 seasons ago, worked well for me but maybe there's a good reason it wasn't carried on?
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I agree Cashy, like I said the two installments worked well for me & a lot of others I know. Was simply saying that we have had that option in the past, think it was for two seasons if my memory serves me right but for some reason, unbeknown to us, the club must have decided it wasn't viable for them
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Simplest answer all round WOULD BE GIFT VOUCHERS!!!!
All year round installments for everyone then. Nobody ever knows what to buy me for christmas because I tell them I want nothing. I have the things I want and buy them as I want them. I end up with tat that I dont want. BUY ME STANLEY GIFT VOUCHERS |
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If an under 12 gets a loyalty card is it £5 off the £5 price?
Hence a £20 loyalty card is cheaper than a £23 season ticket? |
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when Lew was at Stanley he had a data based for the retail side of Stanley where you was given a unique number which you could log in to which told you what you had bought on line or in the shop,also you was able to but money in to your account for retail or put towards your season ticket. But it was discarded once Lew left along withe the stadium planner and other things.
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The sales were a farce today, got there 1.45 pm told to come back after the game.
After the game they could not process card sales so just took forms off people. No idea why this could have not been done pre-match. Also are Stanley the only club who are unable to sell season tickets, instead make people apply again no longer how long they have had them? The last home game you can buy season tickets and the club prevents fans from doing so. The club need to do a Marty McFly and get back to the future... |
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maccawozzagod will not be happy with you having an honest opinion. prepare to be blocked :D:D:D:D |
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£3 to pay by debit card is a bit rich I thought
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A credit card is a different matter, as the vendor has to pay the credit card company a fee on every payment. |
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I will of course return when passing with a cheque but the club weren't to know this
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Most don't as the charge for debit cards is easier than banking the cash, however some don't distinguish and it isn't just Stanley. Local shops used to charge, but most likely have a minimum spend for debit card transactions, as they will end up losing money if they sell a 20p bag of space raiders and only net 5p. It was on the application form so the employee serving had no choice though. |
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It's no longer legal to charge more than the transaction fee incurred. Suggest that may have been a mistake by the person selling the ticket if that's how it was phrased.
They are allowed to change an admin fee - which should be made clear upfront. I would imagine this would apply equally to a credit or debit card transaction, or possibly even to a cash transaction. When buying concert tickets the admin fee is often a booking fee - which pays the ticket agent - and there could also be a restoration fee made payable to the venue. Bottom line is somehow the club needs money. If it makes a few quid on admin fees on top of a very cheap season ticket it's hardly a huge crime. Being upfront about the charges removes any argument though. |
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I was charged for using debit card to buy season ticket.Something to do with it going through Wham.Also bought tickets for Blackpool.No charge.Had to do separate transactions.
Charge might not be much but if you'd scraped money together for ST seems like a totally unneccessary load of twaddle. Wonder why some money goes to Wham? Perhaps it's tired and needs somewhere to rest. If we have the facility to take debit card payments wonder why money not going straight to club. |
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Always found staff themselves to be helpful enough.
Only exception was at the Checkatrade game against Crewe. A middle-aged lady I'd never seen before or since in the shop/ticket office pompously challenged entry on the night when the gate was around 100. |
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I note that in the "Terms & Conditions", it states that season ticket holders may be asked to move "to accommodate a large away following". That obviously means that there is no need to be moved to accommodate sponsors and press as happened earlier this season.
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I see the club are opening later for the last few days of the early bird offer, 7pm on Wednesday/Thursday & till 6 on Friday - good move to give as many people as possible a last chance to get their forms in before Saturday
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Anything that helps to boost the sales is a great idea :)
Really, really hope that there is a 24 hour extension......... :) :) :) |
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