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DAV007 19-03-2017 12:06

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the beauty of the flexi ticket was you could take a mate using the vouchers, so you may only end up going to 5 games as you would use all 10 vouchers x2

For clubs who rarely sell out, flexi tickets make alot of sense

DAV007 19-03-2017 12:10

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In terms of flexi tickets, the 1st page on google search brings up Shrewsbury, Bury, Bradford, Bristol Rovers, Coventry, Peterborough, etc

cashman 19-03-2017 12:10

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Flexis make a great deal of sense,to clubs like ours IMHO

Chewbacca 19-03-2017 12:19

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1190358)
In terms of flexi tickets, the 1st page on google search brings up Shrewsbury, Bury, Bradford, Bristol Rovers, Coventry, Peterborough, etc

That is our membership card, reduced match tickets for 1 person for Bradford but not for this season. The Coventry link in from 2012 and for one person also, so not current or the same.

I haven't seen any club ever do the flexi-tickets we have ever, i.e. any number of people for any game. Most couldn't guarantee never to sell out a league game.

Imagine if you had people turning up with flexi tickets for Stevenage last year and being turned away, even stanley can sell out so it is not that easy.

deeayess 19-03-2017 12:40

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1190365)
That is our membership card, reduced match tickets for 1 person for Bradford but not for this season. The Coventry link in from 2012 and for one person also, so not current or the same.

I haven't seen any club ever do the flexi-tickets we have ever, i.e. any number of people for any game. Most couldn't guarantee never to sell out a league game.

Imagine if you had people turning up with flexi tickets for Stevenage last year and being turned away, even stanley can sell out so it is not that easy.


I swapped my flexiticket voucher for a ticket in advance at a game before. It wasn't that difficult.

Chewbacca 19-03-2017 13:14

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Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190368)
I swapped my flexiticket voucher for a ticket in advance at a game before. It wasn't that difficult.

It sold out 4 days before, so either they had to hold some back for you just in case (which is then a flaw) or you did not buy on the day? It could have ended up people wanted to use them on the day that couldn't hence it got scrapped.

If there are hardly any sold it is not a problem, but then they are not worth printing.

deeayess 19-03-2017 15:33

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1190373)
It sold out 4 days before, so either they had to hold some back for you just in case (which is then a flaw) or you did not buy on the day? It could have ended up people wanted to use them on the day that couldn't hence it got scrapped.

If there are hardly any sold it is not a problem, but then they are not worth printing.

The clue was in the bit where i said I bought them at a previous game. This was common knowledge to most people that had flexi tickets although in general the tickets were pre printed anyway s complimentaries. I did the same for the previous games at the end of the season as the games looked likely to sell out.

How is it a flaw if they make flexi holders aware that tickets would have to be exchanged prior to the matchday? On the rare occasions that it would be likely to happen it would be no different to the situation with season tickets and cup games.

It only becomes difficult if you want to make it difficult!

Chewbacca 19-03-2017 18:58

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Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190384)
The clue was in the bit where i said I bought them at a previous game. This was common knowledge to most people that had flexi tickets although in general the tickets were pre printed anyway s complimentaries. I did the same for the previous games at the end of the season as the games looked likely to sell out.

How is it a flaw if they make flexi holders aware that tickets would have to be exchanged prior to the matchday? On the rare occasions that it would be likely to happen it would be no different to the situation with season tickets and cup games.

It only becomes difficult if you want to make it difficult!

You didn't have to buy in advance under the terms of the tickets in theory, and they are not 'flexi' if you have to but a few weeks before.

I think Stanley match day prices are too expensive, and fleecing away fans rather than growing the fan base is a priority. They should go back to £15 match behind the goals, however the club can't see past the short term income from away fans.

The U12 frees have been scrapped too, however the price of a game has been halved in this category. I suspect not may u12 free tickets were actually used, and not many flexies were sold, but the same should apply just reduce on the day prices a bit.

deeayess 19-03-2017 20:21

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1190411)
You didn't have to buy in advance under the terms of the tickets in theory, and they are not 'flexi' if you have to but a few weeks before.

I think Stanley match day prices are too expensive, and fleecing away fans rather than growing the fan base is a priority. They should go back to £15 match behind the goals, however the club can't see past the short term income from away fans.

The U12 frees have been scrapped too, however the price of a game has been halved in this category. I suspect not may u12 free tickets were actually used, and not many flexies were sold, but the same should apply just reduce on the day prices a bit.

You are correct in what you say however the flexibility was in what games you chose to attend because unlike season tickets you could only attend a fixed number of games. You could argue the same point regarding buying a matchday ticket in advance rather than pay on the day. If a game is likely to sell out then get the ticket in advance. That's just common sense.

As I said, it's only as difficult as yu want to make it.

As for the reason flexi tickets were introduced, they were treated as season tickets so allowed home fans to pay less than away fans and if they had been used to their potential would have sold in far bigger numbers. The main reason they didn't sell as much was poor marketing and people didn't understand how they worked.

Reducing the prices would probably not make up for the lack of income lost unless the team were successful and drew big crowds like at the end of the season.

You might grow the fan base slightly before the club went out of business but I doubt it would be a good long term strategy.

Chewbacca 19-03-2017 21:19

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Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190423)
You are correct in what you say however the flexibility was in what games you chose to attend because unlike season tickets you could only attend a fixed number of games. You could argue the same point regarding buying a matchday ticket in advance rather than pay on the day. If a game is likely to sell out then get the ticket in advance. That's just common sense.

As I said, it's only as difficult as yu want to make it.

As for the reason flexi tickets were introduced, they were treated as season tickets so allowed home fans to pay less than away fans and if they had been used to their potential would have sold in far bigger numbers. The main reason they didn't sell as much was poor marketing and people didn't understand how they worked.

Reducing the prices would probably not make up for the lack of income lost unless the team were successful and drew big crowds like at the end of the season.

You might grow the fan base slightly before the club went out of business but I doubt it would be a good long term strategy.


Flexi tickets are in effect reducing prices - so you have found your own answer.

I think it is economically myopic, but you have justified not having them, as they would not make up for the income lost in your own words.

deeayess 19-03-2017 22:32

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OK, since you obviously either don't grasp the concept or have a pathological hatred of flexitickets, how else are you going to get home fans to pay upfront where a season ticket is no good, pay less than £20 per game but still be able to charge away fans £20?

They are a way to build the fan base without losing the extra money from away fans.

If economics were the only factor then we wouldn't be charging the ridiculously low price for season tickets since that is where the most income is lost. Unfortunately it is necessary to charge such low prices otherwise poor crowds would be pitiful.

I don't think membership cards are the best option as they don't work for casual fans and don't provide the same commitment to go as pre paid flexitickets would. When I had a flexitickets I went to far more games as I have this season as I'm not paying £20 for a loyalty card to get a fiver off.

The Club made their choice and I made mine.

monkey hanger 20-03-2017 09:38

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I haven't seen any club ever do the flexi-tickets we have ever, i.e. any number of people for any game. Most couldn't guarantee never to sell out a league game.


does it really matter if no other clubs do flexi tickets like we do. a good idea for me as we,re not in a position to put any fan off attending. look after what we,ve got before trying to attract others, but that seems old fashioned in the modern world where new customers only seem to get benefits.

DAV007 20-03-2017 09:39

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The fan card scheme is a joke.

Bring back flexi tickets, the club gets the money up front and the commitment from the fan, home fan get a decent sized discount and feels part of the club.

Its not hard.

Alternatively, carry on with the current structure and dont grow the home fan base or encourage existing fans with commitments.

VALAIRIAN 20-03-2017 11:39

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Flexi tickets were a great idea.

Did not sell them in 100's, but they did sell and did appeal :)

:) :) :)

cashman 20-03-2017 11:56

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Wonder who came up with the brainwave of scrapping flexi-tickets? ive a damn good idea. wouldn't surprise me at all.:rolleyes:

deeayess 20-03-2017 12:02

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1190463)
Wonder who came up with the brainwave of scrapping flexi-tickets? ive a damn good idea. wouldn't surprise me at all.:rolleyes:

I had spoken to our MD about them at Carlisle near the end of last season and he asked me to email him as he sounded enthusiastic but his reply was they were not being continued.

To be honest he is probably one of the reasons I lost the motivation up to a point. He must be good for something, I'm just not sure what :D

Lord Didsbury 20-03-2017 12:38

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there must be some reason why there is a downside to them? They just seem like an obviously good idea to me. If the club's aim is to get people to buy season tickets then they must think buying in bulk is a good idea.

However, it's easy for someone from the club, me or anyone on here to think something is going to work, or even if something tried has worked.

The ONLY way they will know this for sure is to do some proper analytics on it and have a shed load of data to use. What % of matches do season ticket holders go to? They'd need to know how many games each customer goes to and the effect that reducing prices has, they'd need to trial flexi tickets and see who buys them and what difference that makes. Maybe backed up with face-to-face market research.

I'd guess the analytics part won't have been done properly - especially if there's no ticket system and people are still largely paying in cash or without producing a loyalty card.

If you had a mass of data you could be even smarter..... you'd know that Mrs Jones, who travels from Rising Bridge with her son hasn't been for a while. You could send her a voucher with £5 off for the two of them without having to make that offer to everyone.

Maybe you would know there's a shed load of OAPs in Oswaldtwistle that don't come often. Laying on a special minibus for £3 each might get them to be regulars. You'd SMS the weather to them in advance so they know to bring a flask and a blanket.

You'd be emailing mini his-and-her (or his-and-his) ticket offers prior to christmas to the right demographic etc etc

OK.... maybe next century.

cashman 20-03-2017 12:53

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Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190464)
I had spoken to our MD about them at Carlisle near the end of last season and he asked me to email him as he sounded enthusiastic but his reply was they were not being continued.

To be honest he is probably one of the reasons I lost the motivation up to a point. He must be good for something, I'm just not sure what :D

The bottom line of this to me, is whoever is responsible, dont give a damn about people who live a distance away, and therefore cant come every week, so scrapped em.simple as, if there was a reasonable explanation surely it would have been given? by someone who understood the fanbase.

Chrisr 20-03-2017 21:26

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Originally Posted by Lord Didsbury (Post 1190468)
there must be some reason why there is a downside to them? They just seem like an obviously good idea to me. If the club's aim is to get people to buy season tickets then they must think buying in bulk is a good idea.

However, it's easy for someone from the club, me or anyone on here to think something is going to work, or even if something tried has worked.

The ONLY way they will know this for sure is to do some proper analytics on it and have a shed load of data to use. What % of matches do season ticket holders go to? They'd need to know how many games each customer goes to and the effect that reducing prices has, they'd need to trial flexi tickets and see who buys them and what difference that makes. Maybe backed up with face-to-face market research.

I'd guess the analytics part won't have been done properly - especially if there's no ticket system and people are still largely paying in cash or without producing a loyalty card.

If you had a mass of data you could be even smarter..... you'd know that Mrs Jones, who travels from Rising Bridge with her son hasn't been for a while. You could send her a voucher with £5 off for the two of them without having to make that offer to everyone.

Maybe you would know there's a shed load of OAPs in Oswaldtwistle that don't come often. Laying on a special minibus for £3 each might get them to be regulars. You'd SMS the weather to them in advance so they know to bring a flask and a blanket.

You'd be emailing mini his-and-her (or his-and-his) ticket offers prior to christmas to the right demographic etc etc

OK.... maybe next century.

I have suggested this type of technology for some time. the usual luddites seemed to think it was an expensive waste. And holt will have this type of demographic breakdown for his business, so this is the only way to forward plan on so many fronts.

Chewbacca 21-03-2017 00:30

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Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190433)
OK, since you obviously either don't grasp the concept or have a pathological hatred of flexitickets, how else are you going to get home fans to pay upfront where a season ticket is no good, pay less than £20 per game but still be able to charge away fans £20?

They are a way to build the fan base without losing the extra money from away fans.

If economics were the only factor then we wouldn't be charging the ridiculously low price for season tickets since that is where the most income is lost. Unfortunately it is necessary to charge such low prices otherwise poor crowds would be pitiful.

I don't think membership cards are the best option as they don't work for casual fans and don't provide the same commitment to go as pre paid flexitickets would. When I had a flexitickets I went to far more games as I have this season as I'm not paying £20 for a loyalty card to get a fiver off.

The Club made their choice and I made mine.

We shouldn't be making away fans pay £20 for the worst facilities in the league and charge Stanley fans less, it is really against the rules. Premier League away at Arsenal with padded seats cost no more than £30, or any other away game in the same division, not value for money at Stanley and away numbers will dwindle the more we play the same teams.

Which is probably why they don't exist anymore, otherwise away fans would allowed to buy them in groups of 10 for parity.

Surely a 'ridiculously low' season ticket is incentive enough?

I never said I was against flexi tickets in any way, however no other clubs have the same thing was my point, and there is likely to be a reason why, it is blatantly charging away fans more for the same game compared to home fans if bought in a block of 10 for one game.

Exile on Spencer St 21-03-2017 06:19

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At concessionary rates I just paid £21 at Exeter and £20 at Yeovil. Both clubs, I'm sure, have discounts for home fans in one form another so away fans are not charged the same as home fans at some other grounds.

st06nc2 21-03-2017 06:24

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Rochdale have brought out a price system so they people who bought one pay less of more people buy one, if 4000 are bought it's at the cheapest price, then for every thousand less that buy the ticket price goes up

deeayess 21-03-2017 06:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1190500)
We shouldn't be making away fans pay £20 for the worst facilities in the league and charge Stanley fans less, it is really against the rules. Premier League away at Arsenal with padded seats cost no more than £30, or any other away game in the same division, not value for money at Stanley and away numbers will dwindle the more we play the same teams.

Which is probably why they don't exist anymore, otherwise away fans would allowed to buy them in groups of 10 for parity.

Surely a 'ridiculously low' season ticket is incentive enough?

I never said I was against flexi tickets in any way, however no other clubs have the same thing was my point, and there is likely to be a reason why, it is blatantly charging away fans more for the same game compared to home fans if bought in a block of 10 for one game.

I agree that we shouldn't be charging away fans £20 but it's an economic necessity for now. It is not against the rules as walk on prices are the same.

Flexi tickets were treated as season tickets which is why they could be cheaper and as such could be restricted to home areas. Away fans couldn't buy them due to segregation rules. Proper Season tickets don't always suit people who can't make all the games for various reasons and as such would not be value for money.

I can't believe you are trying to compare it with the Premier League as there is a reason why they can restrict prices or rather there are tens of millions of reasons - TV money. Fans are an optional extra it seems in the Premier League.

Just because other club haven't done the same thing doesn't mean we can't. Perhaps it's because they don't have the lowest crowds in the league?

Lord Didsbury 21-03-2017 08:15

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Chrisr - introducing an electronic ticketing system on its own won't tell you much. It needs to go hand-in-hand with a number of other technologies that I would guess would be beyond Stanley (financially and culturally) at this point.

Mayor music event promoters and venues don't have it yet, even though they have the ticketing systems.

I guess there's two lines of thought: get a ticketing system now so at least you can gather some data and wait and add the rest later. Or, keep things as they are and concentrate on getting other things done.

DAV007 21-03-2017 20:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1190500)

I never said I was against flexi tickets in any way, however no other clubs have the same thing was my point, and there is likely to be a reason why, it is blatantly charging away fans more for the same game compared to home fans if bought in a block of 10 for one game.


wrong, other clubs did and do offer them.

i never heard of any away fans buying them to get 10 people in, do you have any evidence?

simple solution - only sell them up to the start of the season.

deeayess 21-03-2017 20:33

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1190556)
wrong, other clubs did and do offer them.

i never heard of any away fans buying them to get 10 people in, do you have any evidence?

simple solution - only sell them up to the start of the season.

Since they are "season tickets" they are only available in home areas so away fans can't buy them. To do so would be against segregation rules.

Not an issue in reality

NORTHERNSOUL 21-03-2017 21:50

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Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190503)
I agree that we shouldn't be charging away fans £20 but it's an economic necessity for now. It is not against the rules as walk on prices are the same.

Flexi tickets were treated as season tickets which is why they could be cheaper and as such could be restricted to home areas. Away fans couldn't buy them due to segregation rules. Proper Season tickets don't always suit people who can't make all the games for various reasons and as such would not be value for money.

I can't believe you are trying to compare it with the Premier League as there is a reason why they can restrict prices or rather there are tens of millions of reasons - TV money. Fans are an optional extra it seems in the Premier League.

Just because other club haven't done the same thing doesn't mean we can't. Perhaps it's because they don't have the lowest crowds in the league?

I dont think it the 20 quid price that other clubs fans moan about [ dont forget to be able to stand on an open terrace is something thats getting very rare now and for some younger fans in will be a first time experience ]

What really does **** them off though are the pretty atrocious facilities in terms of food [ standard choice and cost ] and toilets.

If whats been built at the Clayton End was replicated i.m pretty sure it would actually lead to an increase in visiting fans as in every other area a visit to Accrington is seen as a pretty good experience.

But if the New Stand isnt going to be started in the summer it might be a good idea to let the away fans have the end block in the main stand again as the seats on the far side really is somthing that puts off visitors who do for whatever reason want to sit.

Chewbacca 21-03-2017 22:12

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1190556)
wrong, other clubs did and do offer them.

i never heard of any away fans buying them to get 10 people in, do you have any evidence?

simple solution - only sell them up to the start of the season.

The Luton game at the start if 2015/16 allowed a lot to be used first game the season, it was a no brainer on a sunny day with a lack of other games for a day out. It was a no brainer for groups to get flexis for this game. I was on about home fans not away.

I'm not sure any other clubs let you buy multiple tickets for the same game, however my contention was you said most did which was a complete fabrication.

The fact Stanley don't sell tickets for away games where very few fans attend is understandable, but the discount early prices for the likes of Yeovil are offered to away fans, and maybe a decent online site would help. The problem is for 69 away fans is it worth it? Maybe when then new stand is built and there are better seats available at home and more choice a online site would be practicable for home and away sales. But not at current crowd levels though with the vast majority being season tickets or away fans though.

DAV007 22-03-2017 08:44

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Problem is chewbacca , large groups won't come at £20 each, the discount makes it worthwhile.

It's gonna be pitiful the number of walk on fans who turn up and pay £20

Far better to offer incentives to home fans such as the flexi ticket to try and increase attendance and revenues

baldy 22-03-2017 17:17

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I think the flexi tickets are a good idea, I'd rather have someone commit to 10 games than maybe 3/4 like Deeayess mentioned!

I think the club will be trying to shove a few season tickets before announcing any flexi ticket deal - if they do at all!

To be fair to Dave Burgess and Andy Holt, they do listen to what fans want and try and come up with the best solution for both fans and club!

Exile on Spencer St 22-03-2017 18:29

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1190556)
....simple solution - only sell them up to the start of the season.

Do you not understand that offering flexi tickets now is self-defeating for the club? The financial priority for the club is trying to sell as many season tickets as it can before next season starts.
If its business was to try and sell 1,000 suits it would be madness to offer the trousers and jackets as separates at a discount at the same time.
Basic marketing.

DAV007 22-03-2017 19:13

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yes and its also self defeating not to have fans money in may/june on a flexi ticket, than have them not attend at all or only come to 1 game.

deeayess 22-03-2017 19:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1190651)
Do you not understand that offering flexi tickets now is self-defeating for the club? The financial priority for the club is trying to sell as many season tickets as it can before next season starts.
If its business was to try and sell 1,000 suits it would be madness to offer the trousers and jackets as separates at a discount at the same time.
Basic marketing.

You aren't going to sell a suit to someone who only wants a pair of trousers though. Do you sell 700 suits and be left with 300 or sell the trousers for slightly more and only be left with 300 jackets?

Lord Didsbury 22-03-2017 19:50

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What about a nice blazer and roll neck sweater? Suits you sir.

deeayess 22-03-2017 20:01

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Why not just tailor it to meet fans needs!

mab 22-03-2017 20:06

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:) What was said in 2007 http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...t=flexi+ticket post 17 by neil
Quote:

I don't do football but I can't help wondering why you buy a season ticket in the first place.
Is it just to get in the games cheaper or
is it a way of supporting your club by putting money into it?

I see a lot of you commenting when the club is not being supported by enough people and also when the team is not doing very well. Now I see some of you complaining when the club tries to earn some more money. I assume that having more money can improve the side, new players etc.

So what is the problem?

Are you interested in the club doing well or just interested in getting something as cheaply as possible?

Sums it up for me

Lord Didsbury 22-03-2017 20:22

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Anyone not buying a season ticket is barking mad - knowing that next season we will retain the nucleus of this great team and Coley will once again sprinkle his magic fairy dust and a bright new dawn and certain promotion awaits.

Why not offer flexi tickets to the non-believers? After they have spent their hard-earned on the first five games they will be gagging for more. Net result will be good for the club.

The only people buying single tickets will be the tourists desperate for a glimpse of the Redvolution and me poor old mam who pretends she's a Burnley fan and doesn't want to go to too many Stanley games even though she loves em really.

Exile on Spencer St 22-03-2017 21:54

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Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190659)
You aren't going to sell a suit to someone who only wants a pair of trousers though. Do you sell 700 suits and be left with 300 or sell the trousers for slightly more and only be left with 300 jackets?

Exactly, but first you spend your limited time and resources trying to sell the 700 suits, then you try and shift the flexible trousers.

deeayess 22-03-2017 22:40

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Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1190677)
Exactly, but first you spend your limited time and resources trying to sell the 700 suits, then you try and shift the flexible trousers.

Correct but watch they don't go out of fashion first. Careful timing is required

Lord Didsbury 23-03-2017 06:43

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I'm not sure buying suits is a good analogy for tickets to be honest.
Possibly perishable goods is better (because what you buy has to be used within a certain period)..

I sometimes buy a huge bag of onions from the local grocer knowing they could go off so I'll have to chuck some away - but they are really cheap that way. Sometimes I might buy a small bag - knowing I'll be back for more a week later. Sometimes I buy a pricey single onion if I've only got a fiver with me and I'm buying other stuff.

The fact the grocer has that choice means I will keep going back to his shop rather than another.

AccyMad 23-03-2017 07:01

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Not sure that's a good analogy either Lord D - you might change grocers if they won't sell you a single onion, no skin off your nose whichever grocers you patronise but would anyone really change football teams as easily, just over a single onion (I mean ticket)?!
All this talk of trousers & vegetables is just clouding the issue - I agree the flexi tickets were a brilliant idea & should be reintroduced but when we did have them I don't think they went on sale until after the season tickets early bird offers had finished.
Maybe we could have them as well as the loyalty card, both schemes would have good points for different people & would give as many options as possible to our fans

monkey hanger 23-03-2017 07:56

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the club can bang on all it likes about selling x number of season tickets but the reality is a lot of people due to work shift patterns can only go to a certain few games no matter how much they want to go. you wouldn,t buy a season ticket if you could only attend half a dozen or so games so there should be something in it for these people.

Inspector Morse 23-03-2017 08:33

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'Why not offer flexi tickets to the non-believers? After they have spent their hard-earned on the first five games they will be gagging for more. Net result will be good for the club.'

And let the flexi-ticket fee count towards the price of a season ticket if anyone wants to upgrade.

Lord Didsbury 23-03-2017 10:08

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Accymad - you spoilsport. Trousers, onions .... it's a nice distraction from Sean McConville. But, yes, choose your analogies carefully is good advice.

(I think, as we have seen, that people can get rather cross over a single onion (ticket) purchase gone wrong. Maybe not to the point of stopping buying onions.)

What's important to the club? Maximising revenue this season? Getting cash in early to fund the squad? Growing the fan base for the future? That will determine whether you are selling onions or trousers.

maccawozzagod 23-03-2017 11:36

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I want some nice shoes for my new suit :-)

deeayess 23-03-2017 11:39

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I agree, drop the onion analogy before it ends in tears!

keyco 23-03-2017 11:46

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Flexi ticket £150 10 games
season ticket £219 23 games

you go to 11 games and its saving you money as £20 walk on price. Yes if travelling from afar you dont know what games you can attend but getting a season ticket you could pick and save money anyway

I like flexi tickets but to sell them and season tickets at the same time when trying to increase our core fans would be defeating the object.

lets get behind the club and lets reach target 1000

Exile on Spencer St 23-03-2017 13:13

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Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190715)
I agree, drop the onion analogy before it ends in tears!

Yes , but don't drop the trousers analogy for the same reason! ;)

Lord Didsbury 23-03-2017 13:23

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Please DO drop it - it's just a waist of time.

AccyMad 23-03-2017 14:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Inspector Morse (Post 1190703)
'Why not offer flexi tickets to the non-believers? After they have spent their hard-earned on the first five games they will be gagging for more. Net result will be good for the club.'

And let the flexi-ticket fee count towards the price of a season ticket if anyone wants to upgrade.

Now that is a good idea :)

AccyMad 23-03-2017 14:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 1190714)
I want some nice shoes for my new suit :-)

But do you want a bag of onions too, or just the one? That's the question :D

deeayess 23-03-2017 18:05

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Enough, this is a serious subject! If we don't sell the season tickets we will have to cut our cloth accordingly but still get players able to put the ball in the onion bag.

I'll get my coat! :D

monkey hanger 24-03-2017 07:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1190738)
Enough, this is a serious subject! If we don't sell the season tickets we will have to cut our cloth accordingly but still get players able to put the ball in the onion bag.

I'll get my coat! :D

we will probebly sell about the same number as last year as the games since christmas will be more in peoples minds and there will be more optimism about the place. the durge of november and december will be forgotten for ever i hope.

cashman 24-03-2017 19:23

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Just a simple question, after reading the notice put on fishy today, Why is proof of age,plus form to be filled in, if yer just renewing yer season ticket?:confused:

AccyMad 24-03-2017 19:35

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The proof of age must be for those of us who don't look anywhere near the age we say we are Cashy - lot to be said for Oil of Ulay :)

deeayess 24-03-2017 20:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1190836)
Just a simple question, after reading the notice put on fishy today, Why is proof of age,plus form to be filled in, if yer just renewing yer season ticket?:confused:

More bureaucratic lunacy especially for over 65s - I've yet to see anybody get younger than 65 once they've reached that age. Some may think they will but they won't :D .

My guess would be that they don't keep any records in a format that they can cross refer to so they may need them for younger ages but who know.

Bigger clubs probably have a system in place to get round this, I know they do at Ibrox as I operate mine through my online account and I've done the same with juvenile and over 65s for family but they've got more staff and a proper computer system otherwise it wouldn't work as 42000 season tickets have been sold.

cashman 24-03-2017 20:40

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It dont encourage people pishin em about like that, and they are supposed to be attempting to increase gates!! some may just think why bother renewing.

deeayess 24-03-2017 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1190849)
It dont encourage people pishin em about like that, and they are supposed to be attempting to increase gates!! some may just think why bother renewing.

You should try buying a matchday ticket with a bank card. Pay in the shop then take the receipt to the booth! Unless they have saw sense recently :D

monkey hanger 25-03-2017 07:49

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[QUOTE= I've yet to see anybody get younger than 65 once they've reached that age.

especially after some home games. i,m sure my hair gets a bit more grey after a game.

VALAIRIAN 04-04-2017 17:52

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The latest on the season tickets..........

Early Bird Season Ticket Offer Ends 28th April ? Accrington Stanley

230 sold to date, well on the way, I would think that there will be a big uptake in the next few weeks...... :)

Feel sure that 1000 will be announced :)

:) :) :)

Outback Ozzy 04-04-2017 18:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 1191579)
The latest on the season tickets..........

Early Bird Season Ticket Offer Ends 28th April ? Accrington Stanley

230 sold to date, well on the way, I would think that there will be a big uptake in the next few weeks...... :)

Feel sure that 1000 will be announced :)

:) :) :)

Much as i applaud the numbers that have bought or renewed, why end it on the 28th April before the current season has ended. I would like to see this extended to mid June at least and installments for paying offered. Not everyone can cough up £200 plus in this day and age and pay for everything else. I still think the club have missed a big trick here.

monkey hanger 05-04-2017 08:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 1191581)
Much as i applaud the numbers that have bought or renewed, why end it on the 28th April before the current season has ended. I would like to see this extended to mid June at least and installments for paying offered. Not everyone can cough up £200 plus in this day and age and pay for everything else. I still think the club have missed a big trick here.

probebly the club needs the money sooner than later but agree something like 100 quid down by 28th april and the balance paid before the next season starts might encourage a few more who are a bit short of the dosh. as they say every little helps.

cashman 05-04-2017 08:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by monkey hanger (Post 1191597)
probebly the club needs the money sooner than later but agree something like 100 quid down by 28th april and the balance paid before the next season starts might encourage a few more who are a bit short of the dosh. as they say every little helps.

That would make good sense imho;)

st06nc2 05-04-2017 09:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1191598)
That would make good sense imho;)

Since when does our club do anything sensible to help the fans out, it's not the Stanley way

AccyMad 05-04-2017 09:49

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To be fair we did have the option to pay in two halves about 3 seasons ago, worked well for me but maybe there's a good reason it wasn't carried on?

cashman 05-04-2017 09:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 1191602)
To be fair we did have the option to pay in two halves about 3 seasons ago, worked well for me but maybe there's a good reason it wasn't carried on?

Also to be fair, i thought the object is to attract "More" fans?

AccyMad 05-04-2017 11:19

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I agree Cashy, like I said the two installments worked well for me & a lot of others I know. Was simply saying that we have had that option in the past, think it was for two seasons if my memory serves me right but for some reason, unbeknown to us, the club must have decided it wasn't viable for them

maccawozzagod 05-04-2017 17:12

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Simplest answer all round WOULD BE GIFT VOUCHERS!!!!

All year round installments for everyone then. Nobody ever knows what to buy me for christmas because I tell them I want nothing. I have the things I want and buy them as I want them. I end up with tat that I dont want. BUY ME STANLEY GIFT VOUCHERS

deeayess 05-04-2017 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 1191615)
Simplest answer all round WOULD BE GIFT VOUCHERS!!!!

All year round installments for everyone then. Nobody ever knows what to buy me for christmas because I tell them I want nothing. I have the things I want and buy them as I want them. I end up with tat that I dont want. BUY ME STANLEY GIFT VOUCHERS

They're a blast from the past! How long is it since we last tried them, I think I might still have the odd one somewhere :D . What next, a revamped Stanley Legends :D

Chewbacca 05-04-2017 22:28

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If an under 12 gets a loyalty card is it £5 off the £5 price?

Hence a £20 loyalty card is cheaper than a £23 season ticket?

deeayess 05-04-2017 22:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1191654)
If an under 12 gets a loyalty card is it £5 off the £5 price?

Hence a £20 loyalty card is cheaper than a £23 season ticket?

I think they scrapped the loyalty cards for under 12s because the season tickets were so cheap then made it £5 for those without a season ticket

maccawozzagod 06-04-2017 08:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deeayess (Post 1191624)
They're a blast from the past! How long is it since we last tried them, I think I might still have the odd one somewhere :D . What next, a revamped Stanley Legends :D

Shops and businnesses everywhere use them and they are perfect answer IF PUSHED. You are a great example, the club have had your cash and you think youve got some knocking about. Thank you for your dosh :D

deeayess 06-04-2017 09:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 1191680)
Shops and businnesses everywhere use them and they are perfect answer IF PUSHED. You are a great example, the club have had your cash and you think youve got some knocking about. Thank you for your dosh :D

For what it's worth I actually thought it was a good idea that never took off. I took advantage of the bonus vouchers when you signed up and used some of them but not all but back in the day I usually bought something whether I needed it or not to put money into the club. That's why I've also got mugs, scarves tea shirts, sweat shirts and various other Stanley items somewhere around the house. :D

mab 06-04-2017 16:43

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when Lew was at Stanley he had a data based for the retail side of Stanley where you was given a unique number which you could log in to which told you what you had bought on line or in the shop,also you was able to but money in to your account for retail or put towards your season ticket. But it was discarded once Lew left along withe the stadium planner and other things.

Chewbacca 17-04-2017 20:16

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The sales were a farce today, got there 1.45 pm told to come back after the game.

After the game they could not process card sales so just took forms off people. No idea why this could have not been done pre-match.

Also are Stanley the only club who are unable to sell season tickets, instead make people apply again no longer how long they have had them?

The last home game you can buy season tickets and the club prevents fans from doing so. The club need to do a Marty McFly and get back to the future...

DAV007 17-04-2017 20:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1192555)
The sales were a farce today, got there 1.45 pm told to come back after the game.

After the game they could not process card sales so just took forms off people. No idea why this could have not been done pre-match.

Also are Stanley the only club who are unable to sell season tickets, instead make people apply again no longer how long they have had them?

The last home game you can buy season tickets and the club prevents fans from doing so. The club need to do a Marty McFly and get back to the future...


maccawozzagod will not be happy with you having an honest opinion.

prepare to be blocked :D:D:D:D

VALAIRIAN 18-04-2017 07:35

Re: Season Tickets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1192555)
The sales were a farce today, got there 1.45 pm told to come back after the game.

After the game they could not process card sales so just took forms off people. No idea why this could have not been done pre-match.

Also are Stanley the only club who are unable to sell season tickets, instead make people apply again no longer how long they have had them?

The last home game you can buy season tickets and the club prevents fans from doing so. The club need to do a Marty McFly and get back to the future...

I would be shocked if this is not extended by 24 hours to include the Luton game... :)

:) :) :)

cashman 18-04-2017 11:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 1192586)
I would be shocked if this is not extended by 24 hours to include the Luton game... :)

:) :) :)

I would love us to get 1000, sold, but more than shocked if we do.;)

VALAIRIAN 19-04-2017 19:16

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400+ sold :)

40% of Target 1,000 reached! ? Accrington Stanley

widnes viking 20-04-2017 12:35

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£3 to pay by debit card is a bit rich I thought

cashman 20-04-2017 12:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by widnes viking (Post 1192807)
£3 to pay by debit card is a bit rich I thought

Thats why i'm called cashman, i always pay cash wherever its possible.;)

Lord Stiffupperlip 20-04-2017 12:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by widnes viking (Post 1192807)
£3 to pay by debit card is a bit rich I thought

There should be no surcharge for using a debit card, as the payment is taken straight from your own bank account.
A credit card is a different matter, as the vendor has to pay the credit card company a fee on every payment.

widnes viking 20-04-2017 13:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Stiffupperlip (Post 1192810)
There should be no surcharge for using a debit card, as the payment is taken straight from your own bank account.
A credit card is a different matter, as the vendor has to pay the credit card company a fee on every payment.

Which is more or less what I said to the young lady before leaving without buying the two season tickets I was going to buy.

cashman 20-04-2017 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by widnes viking (Post 1192814)
Which is more or less what I said to the young lady before leaving without buying the two season tickets I was going to buy.

Good on yer, i'd have done exactly the same.;)

widnes viking 20-04-2017 14:19

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I will of course return when passing with a cheque but the club weren't to know this

Exile on Spencer St 20-04-2017 20:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by widnes viking (Post 1192814)
Which is more or less what I said to the young lady before leaving without buying the two season tickets I was going to buy.

Do you think she even knew the difference between a credit and a debit card? Charging extra for the latter is outrageous and bad for business.

Lord Stiffupperlip 20-04-2017 21:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1192830)
Do you think she even knew the difference between a credit and a debit card? Charging extra for the latter is outrageous and bad for business.

Surely our fans liaison rep should be bringing this to the attention of the Commercial Director?
I know of no commercial business that actually places a surcharge on a debit card payment.

Chewbacca 20-04-2017 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Stiffupperlip (Post 1192833)
Surely our fans liaison rep should be bringing this to the attention of the Commercial Director?
I know of no commercial business that actually places a surcharge on a debit card payment.


Most don't as the charge for debit cards is easier than banking the cash, however some don't distinguish and it isn't just Stanley. Local shops used to charge, but most likely have a minimum spend for debit card transactions, as they will end up losing money if they sell a 20p bag of space raiders and only net 5p.

It was on the application form so the employee serving had no choice though.

NORTHERNSOUL 21-04-2017 01:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1192834)
Most don't as the charge for debit cards is easier than banking the cash, however some don't distinguish and it isn't just Stanley. Local shops used to charge, but most likely have a minimum spend for debit card transactions, as they will end up losing money if they sell a 20p bag of space raiders and only net 5p.

It was on the application form so the employee serving had no choice though.

Most clubs who have an online ticket purchasing system make a charge for paying that way.

Its usually only 50p and is by no means the most outrageous charge some clubs make.

Lord Didsbury 21-04-2017 07:20

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It's no longer legal to charge more than the transaction fee incurred. Suggest that may have been a mistake by the person selling the ticket if that's how it was phrased.
They are allowed to change an admin fee - which should be made clear upfront. I would imagine this would apply equally to a credit or debit card transaction, or possibly even to a cash transaction.
When buying concert tickets the admin fee is often a booking fee - which pays the ticket agent - and there could also be a restoration fee made payable to the venue.

Bottom line is somehow the club needs money. If it makes a few quid on admin fees on top of a very cheap season ticket it's hardly a huge crime. Being upfront about the charges removes any argument though.

monkey hanger 21-04-2017 07:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1192830)
Do you think she even knew the difference between a credit and a debit card? Charging extra for the latter is outrageous and bad for business.

when i had a credit card one pound seemed to be the regular fee for useing it and free if a debit card is used. stanley are always let down on these occasions. what,s is the point of trying to sell 1,000 season tickets when obstacles are put in the way of fans trying to purchase em as well as renewing them.

Inspector Morse 21-04-2017 07:51

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I was charged for using debit card to buy season ticket.Something to do with it going through Wham.Also bought tickets for Blackpool.No charge.Had to do separate transactions.
Charge might not be much but if you'd scraped money together for ST seems like a totally unneccessary load of twaddle.
Wonder why some money goes to Wham?
Perhaps it's tired and needs somewhere to rest.
If we have the facility to take debit card payments wonder why money not going straight to club.

cashman 21-04-2017 08:07

Re: Season Tickets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Inspector Morse (Post 1192845)
I was charged for using debit card to buy season ticket.Something to do with it going through Wham.Also bought tickets for Blackpool.No charge.Had to do separate transactions.
Charge might not be much but if you'd scraped money together for ST seems like a totally unneccessary load of twaddle.
Wonder why some money goes to Wham?
Perhaps it's tired and needs somewhere to rest.
If we have the facility to take debit card payments wonder why money not going straight to club.

I was told the same,when i went to renew my season ticket and had to ridiculously provide I.D. though ive had one for years and they know damn well i'm a pensioner, I was told that Stanley are now part of Wham so really we dont exist just a subsidiary,I doubt if Andy Holt is even aware of the stupidity thats going on? To me like Monkey Hanger said, its putting obstacles in front of gaining new supporters and may even LOSE some regular ones.

cashman 21-04-2017 08:21

Re: Season Tickets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1192830)
Do you think she even knew the difference between a credit and a debit card? Charging extra for the latter is outrageous and bad for business.

I should have also said,staff up yon have NO SAY whatsoever in procedures, they just have to do what Wham instruct, so that should be born in mind.;)

monkey hanger 21-04-2017 09:10

Re: Season Tickets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1192847)
I should have also said,staff up yon have NO SAY whatsoever in procedures, they just have to do what Wham instruct, so that should be born in mind.;)

quite true as they,re only following orders. they probebly agree with our moans but can,t do anything about it. seems football as an industry in general seem to go out of its way to upset fans, making it harder to purchase tickets etc. then moan about lack of fans. its not just stanley either. if shops had carried on like football clubs do there,d be tumble weed blowing around all our highstreets.

Inspector Morse 21-04-2017 09:58

Re: Season Tickets
 
Always found staff themselves to be helpful enough.

Only exception was at the Checkatrade game against Crewe. A middle-aged lady I'd never seen before or since in the shop/ticket office pompously challenged entry on the night when the gate was around 100.

Lord Stiffupperlip 21-04-2017 10:30

Re: Season Tickets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monkey hanger (Post 1192849)
quite true as they,re only following orders. they probably agree with our moans but can,t do anything about it. seems football as an industry in general seem to go out of its way to upset fans, making it harder to purchase tickets etc. then moan about lack of fans. its not just Stanley either. if shops had carried on like football clubs do there,d be tumble weed blowing around all our high streets.

You obviously haven't been down Accrington town centre recently MH, you can't move for tumbleweed!

Revived Red 21-04-2017 11:58

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I note that in the "Terms & Conditions", it states that season ticket holders may be asked to move "to accommodate a large away following". That obviously means that there is no need to be moved to accommodate sponsors and press as happened earlier this season.

AccyMad 23-04-2017 14:21

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I see the club are opening later for the last few days of the early bird offer, 7pm on Wednesday/Thursday & till 6 on Friday - good move to give as many people as possible a last chance to get their forms in before Saturday

VALAIRIAN 23-04-2017 16:08

Re: Season Tickets
 
Anything that helps to boost the sales is a great idea :)

Really, really hope that there is a 24 hour extension.........

:) :) :)


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