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Kiwi John 20-04-2019 16:37

The Luton thread
 
Great save Evetimov..but so he needed to after stupid stuff up.

Dav1d 20-04-2019 16:55

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Was not a sending off, ran into him

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 16:55

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Ffs :(

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 16:56

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STUPID decision. Never a spotty. Bloody useless ref

ossy kid 20-04-2019 16:59

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Red card? What the heck is going on, down top 10 men.?????????

ossy kid 20-04-2019 17:00

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Second penalty 1-0 down, going to be a long day.

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 17:03

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And that was a spotty for us ( Collins on Kee)..but the dipstick had his eyes closed.

Dav1d 20-04-2019 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 1227292)
And that was a spotty for us ( Collins on Kee)..but the dipstick had his eyes closed.

Yes it was!

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 17:10

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Starting to feel like this could become a cricket score..

ossy kid 20-04-2019 17:26

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Still only 1-0 down at the half, extra effort needed now, come on Stanley.

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 17:28

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I can clearly see why contributors to this forum bleat on about the referees. Two shocking decisions,( first spotty seemed fair enough). Thought we looked a tad better towards end of that first half, but Luton look like the cat playing with a mouse.

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 17:40

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My god Harford's looks like his chewing gum is bitter lemon.

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 17:57

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^%%$#ui&^)*&%$&%$#%*(*&^*&^%#%$^%!!!!

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 18:17

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I've really got to stop watching Stanley 'live'. 0-3 . :(

Dav1d 20-04-2019 18:23

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0 shots on target says it all really

Kiwi John 20-04-2019 18:29

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Can't believe the difference of quality from us after viewing Sunderland away. Chalk and cheese.

caretaker 20-04-2019 19:47

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disappointing performance to say the least.

cashman 20-04-2019 20:03

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All that happened was caused by a terrible back pass from Super Sean FACT our keeper then added to it and should have been sent off the first time, anyone cant see that needs eyes testing. the ref and liner were abysmal no doubt, Billy was pushed down with ref looking on, Barlaiser the liner looked at him then carried on not even telling the ref.

pifco 20-04-2019 20:16

Re: The Luton thread
 
Just watched Coley's after match interview and he says we got what we deserved for passing back to the goalie when it wasn't necessary, we've been doing this all season and got in trouble countless times with it - so why are they still doing it?

Twenty Eight 20-04-2019 20:16

Re: The Luton thread
 
I sometimes wonder what people are watching at times.
How on earth could anyone believe either of our keepers incidents were anything other than clear cut penalties ? He should have been sent off after the first one.
Maybe we deserved a penalty for the Kee shove but please let’s stop papering over cracks.
Out played
Out thought
Out muscled
Attempts on goal - don’t even go there.
To say I’m deeply down in the dumps after that dismal display is the under statement of the season.

Twenty Eight 20-04-2019 20:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pifco (Post 1227304)
Just watched Coley's after match interview and he says we got what we deserved for passing back to the goalie when it wasn't necessary, we've been doing this all season and got in trouble countless times with it - so why are they still doing it?

Because the Coach insists we do it.
A poor attempt at passing the buck by Coley.

Chrisr 20-04-2019 20:38

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Why do we keep playing Billy upfront on his own at home? He never gets the service he needs, The team choice today was not the right one. We needed different tactics and players. I was surprised to see Nolan as I thought he was out on loan. He should have started, Sousa would have been the the player to cause them problems with sheer nuisance value. Dan Barlaser has not been that brilliant these last few games(However I hope he not badly injured) I am afraid the game today was a write off when our keeper got red carded. They were not much better than us but took chances, We afforded them too much respect. We desperately need a win and at least a draw to be safe. I am afraid Coley has to brush up on his tactics and team selection.

cashman 20-04-2019 21:03

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I'm sorry Super J.C. would NOT know a tactic if it hit him in the Kisser the tactics shoulda been changed at half time, when we are 1 down, and still the chance to get summat from the game.:mad::mad:

ASFC1019 20-04-2019 21:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227308)
I'm sorry Super J.C. would NOT know a tactic if it hit him in the Kisser the tactics shoulda been changed at half time, when we are 1 down, and still the chance to get summat from the game.:mad::mad:

What an insulting comment to make. You really are the most negative fan ever known. Yes we’re on a bad run but to say that is really embarrassing. Is this the same manager who has won 4 league titles at the club? Did we not win them league titles by using tactics.
JC will have forgotten more about football tactics than you’ll ever know.

accybeme 20-04-2019 21:26

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luton are a superior outfit no complaints, well only one, the officials were the usual inept lot we endure almost every home game

StanleyJosh 20-04-2019 21:34

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Going to keep this short and sweet.
First pen, yes Dimi at fault but ball went out of play before contact.
Second pen - awful header back from Ross. Dimi has to commit.Strikers studs high and up forcing him to try and parry it.

For those saying we should have made rash changes at half time.
You clearly don’t understand football.
We actually started 2nd half on top!
Sousa? Not physical enough for game
Nolan? Was poor playing two leagues below on loan.

Armstrong ran well and was physical but yet again he had no impact as a striker.
Surprised Ross got MOM considering Callum hooked 2 off the line.
Clicker was woeful.
For a player of his technical ability, he has no left foot or end product. Really disappointing.
Barlaser yet again played far too deep.
21 shots played 4.
15 on target played 0.
Story of our season.

Luton didn’t even look all that.

Greger 20-04-2019 22:13

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My 10 ps:
- I am of the same mind as Cashy re the first incident. Really stupid back pass by Sean! Don't really believe that was part of JC's game plan, though.
- The stupidity of the back pass does not excuse Eftimov. Embarrassing to say the least. Most refs would have shown him a straight red.
- Cannot really understand why the second warranted a yellow card. But most refs tend to give a yellow every time there is a penalty. Can't understand that part. But since Eftimov probably shouldn't have been there in the first place I can have no real complaints.
- Again that does not excuse Eftimov. Somebody must have told him he had a yellow already. And it was a clumsy and stupid challenge nonetheless. His overall performance must rank among the top ten worst I have seen from from a goalkeeper through a life time of watching football.
- Collins put both hands on Kee's back. If I had been his manager I would have been furious with him. You don't do that inside the penalty area. Of course Kee would go down like a sack of coal when he felt those hands on his back. But I cannot be upset by the lack of a penalty.
- I thought Luton were poor. We would have had a decent chance of a point (I mean 0-0 of course) with a decent goalkeeper. Even though I admit Stanley were even poorer.
- This was a performance best forgotten. Not just Eftimov's. We still have a chance. Plymouth at home will be massive. And while Stanley are in poor shape, so are most of the bottom dozen, Plymouth included. It will be close.
- I and Mr Eftimov share one sentiment I believe. If a Stanley game was to be televised we both wish it had been a different one!

smudgie 20-04-2019 22:19

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Well my two pence worth...........

Yes the ref was poor, the pitch was worse........ BUT we were lacking from back to front today and it showed.

Quite what Evtimov was doing I have no idea, agreed with others, he could and probably should have gone after the first incident. Ironically I thought Maxted was brilliant, it could have been a cricket score if it wasn't for him, fair play to Jonny.

We had quite rightly setup for the draw, which obviously was thrown into haywire once Dimi had gone. Pretty gutted for Brown to be honest, yet again no chance to show his quality.

Was Kee even fit ?? He looked MILES off the pace for me personally. Not quite sure what Armstrong/ Smyth/ Zanzala have to do get a start/ more minutes/ any minutes at all.

Only Johnson, Maxted and Sykes for me showed anything like the quality we need to compete in this division. IF we survive then a mass clear out is needed IMO.

Worrying times for sure. Next Saturday is THE game that will define our season.

Dav1d 20-04-2019 22:26

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Stanley fans still singing 30mins after match ended sums it up really

Time to take the rose tinted specs off

yonmon 20-04-2019 22:41

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On watching the Match on TV , and the close up shots...

One, The second penalty was 60/40 in the striker's favour as our Goalkeeper didn't touch the ball at all , and all Mr Boyeson needed was the evidence ( from some distance away ! ) of the striker being taken out !.

Two. Stanley's dearth of quality strikers was again so plain to see !... although the 10 man situation did call upon them to take more defensive duties !. How many times do we see Billy Kee isolated , ringed by big defenders, and unable to make the right pass ?.
He deserves a medal for persevering through all this, and those supporting him, particularly this afternoon should be appalled when they see their meagre efforts compared with those of the Luton attackers. The shots on goal statistic totally bears this out !.
Defensively, Ross and Mark could not have done more, and receive my accolades !

However, it was the 1 goal down and 10 men on the pitch situation which probably decided the result,. but the maintaining of our League 1 status is now looking extremely shaky because of this fact. Three points from the Plymouth game is now an essential..

But remembering that' necessity is the mother of invention ' .... ( although Hope is said to be the mother of fools !) ..my hope is still that The Reds will invent something special for this fool ! ... and soon !.

KTF... and ON STANLEY !.. ON TO GREATER THINGS !!.

yonmon 20-04-2019 22:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dav1d (Post 1227315)

Time to take the rose tinted specs off

Or possibly to put some on Dav ?..:cool:

Lord Love Rocket 20-04-2019 23:07

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Couldn't bel

Lord Love Rocket 20-04-2019 23:20

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In the second half I couldn't believe donaicen trying to shake the hand of the Luton player as he was going of.What an embarrassment can't believe he's still getting a game get back to Ipswich how poor is he shocking.as for coley just listened to his excuses the pitch saying we outplayed them sorry don't know what game he was watching men against boys not good enough coley think you need to look a bit nearer home.

Simpson 20-04-2019 23:45

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“as for coley just listened to his excuses the pitch saying we outplayed them sorry don't know what game he was watching ”

I think he was watching the same game as StanleyJosh!

Both Cashman and 28 call it correctly. I’d be interested in MH’s view of the first penalty ( I think he is or was a ref). My understanding is that if the keeper makes no attempt for the ball ( and he didn’t) then it’s a straight red and longer ban (which it should have been)

As for Sousa, apologies if I’m being thick but why would he get criticism, he didn’t play ?
Re Nolon, he played 9 times for Salford on loan including their biggest wins v Orient and Wrexham at new year as holding midfield with no goals conceded. Salford wanted to extend but we recalled him . They then lost 3 games in 4 or 5 from memory. In the short time he was on today he won headers and clattered 2 of their players. Not sure what you were expecting Josh, the game was over ?

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 06:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Simpson (Post 1227320)
“as for coley just listened to his excuses the pitch saying we outplayed them sorry don't know what game he was watching ”

I think he was watching the same game as StanleyJosh!
As for Sousa, apologies if I’m being thick but why would he get criticism, he didn’t play ?
Re Nolon, he played 9 times for Salford on loan including their biggest wins v Orient and Wrexham at new year as holding midfield with no goals conceded. Salford wanted to extend but we recalled him . They then lost 3 games in 4 or 5 from memory. In the short time he was on today he won headers and clattered 2 of their players. Not sure what you were expecting Josh, the game was over ?

RE; the first penalty Simpson, there was a rule change at the start of this season that meant as long as he didn’t deny clear goal scoring opportunity (eg handball on line) a foul in box is not a straight red any more.

As for Sousa/Nolan - apologies, I should have been clearer in my comments.
I was more referring to the people stood by me at the game, who, it seems every time we go 1-0 down, at half time they are calling for drastic changes from Coley (as if completely changing system/team will magically mean we will be better)

I don’t think if we had brought on the players they were hoping for (namely Sousa & Nolan) we would have had any chance of coming back from a goal down at half time. (And thought we actually started the second half brightly and had a few chances (a la clicker....)

I saw Nolan get outplayed by Blackburn’s Under 23s in Feb.
I like him, but he’s not League 1 standard.
That isn’t to say I feel the others are, again just commenting on the stupid comments I’ve heard from people last few weeks.

andyd 21-04-2019 06:28

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Pitch awful ref awful Stanley awful none I,m afraid league 1 standard.

cashman 21-04-2019 06:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ASFC1019 (Post 1227309)
What an insulting comment to make. You really are the most negative fan ever known. Yes we’re on a bad run but to say that is really embarrassing. Is this the same manager who has won 4 league titles at the club? Did we not win them league titles by using tactics.
JC will have forgotten more about football tactics than you’ll ever know.

Go boil yer head its an honest opinion no-one can doubt the achievements J.C. has made they are incredible for a club with our resources, but i am of the opinion hes reached his limit, speak to any rochdale fan and no doubt you will get the same,

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 06:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227323)
Go boil yer head its an honest opinion no-one can doubt the achievements J.C. has made they are incredible for a club with our resources, but i am of the opinion hes reached his limit, speak to any rochdale fan and no doubt you will get the same,

What would you do right now then Cashy if you were in charge? (considering contracted, loan, and soon to be out of contract players)
And who would you see fit as his replacement? (Considering resources and budget, so let’s be realistic)

Genuinely interested.
It’s easy to see the negatives, but very rarely have I ever heard someone make a genuine case for improvement.

cashman 21-04-2019 07:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227324)
What would you do right now then Cashy if you were in charge? (considering contracted, loan, and soon to be out of contract players)
And who would you see fit as his replacement? (Considering resources and budget, so let’s be realistic)

Genuinely interested.
It’s easy to see the negatives, but very rarely have I ever heard someone make a genuine case for improvement.

Well for a start ANY manager should be subject to pressure! thats about the only thing i disagree with andy holt about. i have not the experience to sort it out but J.C, is supposed to have any thing should have been tried from half time but as usual NOTHING.:mad:

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 07:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227326)
Well for a start ANY manager should be subject to pressure! thats about the only thing i disagree with andy holt about. i have not the experience to sort it out but J.C, is supposed to have any thing should have been tried from half time but as usual NOTHING.:mad:

Think Coley has enough pressure, although ageee Holty is a bit OTT with making a guarantee about his job.
Why change it at half time? We ended 1st half and started 2nd half well.

People around me were saying put 2 on up top and go 3 at that back. IMO I think we would have been torn apart if we played 3 at the back for 45 minutes.
Goal difference could be crucial.
No one on the bench made me think, “yeah, they could change the game for us”
Plus if you can argue about Coleys experience, surely you’d want experienced players playing?

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 07:22

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How many goals have we conceded this season from not winning the 2nd ball from a set piece.

And what on Earth is Barlaser doing ducking for their 2nd!!!

cashman 21-04-2019 07:23

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Well how many managers have yeh seen who sit on the wall most of the time? that dont look like hes under that much pressure tome.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 07:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227329)
Well how many managers have yeh seen who sit on the wall most of the time? that dont look like hes under that much pressure tome.

What has that got to do with anything!?!?
If a manager feels it necessary to be shouting instructions to his players all game, they clearly haven’t worked hard enough in the build up week.

Pressure to keep us in the league as he will have to face deluded fans if not
Pressure to sort out contracts
Pressure to sort out incoming players
Pressure to motivate players not playing
Pressure to deal with injuries (Finley out for season, Barlaser a possibility.)
Pressure to sort out where the squad will train on a daily basis.

Enough?

cashman 21-04-2019 07:34

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Its been just like that for ever, when he was winning things etc does every manager not have to deal with stuff like that? surely its same at any level.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 07:40

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Exactly. So what’s your point?

Twenty Eight 21-04-2019 07:57

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At the risk of being repetitive you reap what you sow.
Too many loan players
Zero investment in players after collecting £2.3 mill in fees preferring to put the whole of the budget into developing the ground
Still no training facilities
All the die hards basically said if you’re not happy @@@@ @@@ this is us.
Well be happy !
I’m not.
And I reckon there’s far more dissenting voices than the die hards appreciate.
What a task ahead whether League 1 or 2.

Willie Miller 21-04-2019 08:00

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What a terrible forum this has become

Simpson 21-04-2019 08:32

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Stanley Josh. Understand your point a little better. A couple of friendly challenges for you.

“Pressure to sort out contracts” - the only contracts ( other than loans) I can recall being agreed this season are Coleman’s and Bells own 4 year deal with a besotted Andy Holt and then the 3 year deals with members of the inner circle Sean and Billy. I’d be surprised if they were keeping Coley awake.

I’m told we had the opportunity to sell Johnson for ironically the cost of a new pitch. Would we have been any weaker at right back had he gone? It’s certainly affected the lad on the pitch since.
The only other contract talks I heard of ended up with a fall out and the other one has gone very quiet which will likely mean having to trigger his option to get a fee in September.

Re the penalty, I know the rule you talk of but my understanding is there is a further “sub rule” in that if there is no attempt to play the ball then it’s also a straight red, hence asking those on the board better informed for clarity.

Finally, re your point over players on the bench not being “league 1”. Please list those you believe are League one. For me I would give you Clark if given the service, but that’s it.
I was just going on feedback from Wrexham friends who said he ran their game, this being the week after they beat the same team 5 nil at their place when he didn’t play because of injury, hence their question to me on why he was out on loan.

Greger 21-04-2019 08:43

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I think this is the wrong time to accuse fellow posters of negativity. After an inept performance like that fans are entitled to be negative.

But I don't think it is a game that you should draw any conclusions from (save perhaps the choice of goalkeepers. If you gift the League leaders two pens and a red, you have it coming.

I don't like it when JC plays Kee on his own up front. Neither Kee nor the rest of this team is suited for it. But for this particular game I could understand his choice. And I don't expect him planning for the possibility of the goalie forgetting his gloves or his brains in the dressing room.

But why does this forum blame every dropped point on the referee? It debases the forum more than a few outburst against the manager after a poor performance in my opinion. And this one got it right: Accrington Stanley One red card Nil penalties, Luton Town Two penalties.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 08:49

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Agreed regarding contracts, however I understand he has tried (and failed) to agree new deals for a few of the ‘squad’ players.
Coley had final say on YTS being offered pro deals (90% sorted now)
Nolan offered new contract that he has rejected.
Big Ben also.
Sousa staying.
Same situation as why he offered Danny Williams a new deal last season.
Happier to be squad player than play regularly lower down.
I’d offer new deals for Yosser,Seamus,Erico,Clicker,Harvey & maybe Jonny.
We will trigger Clickers 1 year extension purely so he doesn’t leave on a free.
Johnson is worth more than 300k.
Why sell in January when new pitch can’t start until end of season?

It’s not a case of who is League 1 standard or not.
It’s a case of why do people think subs = instant success/improvement.

For the subs, there is no one I would of taken off apart from the Don or Barlaser.
If we take off Don we either replace with Big Ben which is pointless, or go 3 at the back.
Like I said, GD could be crucial. 45 mins would have left us far too open against a stronger, fitter team.
If we took off Dan, we’d of left Seamus outnumbered in the middle. Bringing Nolan on wouldn’t of made much difference at half time.
I would have liked to see Sousa and Smyth brought on, but for who? And what tactics?

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 08:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greger (Post 1227336)
Accrington Stanley One red card Nil penalties, Luton Town Two penalties.

I guess you missed Janoi getting swiped out then....

Alvin the chipmunk 21-04-2019 08:54

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I’d love to see how this forum reacts when we have an ACTUAL bad spell. Most have only ever known Coley’s near 20 year spell of glory.

“Took them as far as he can.” Heard that befoe the last three promotions.:rolleyes:

It’s like Forest fans hating Clough. “Yeah he got two European Cups but I don’t his jumper.”

Fourth round of the cup and Diviison Three survival in our own hands. For a mid table Conference outfit. Perspective is everything. These are the halcyon days. Enjoy them.

Have a look round Colne or Padiham. Then imagine them in Division 3 playing Sunderland.

No doubt I’ll get called “numb” or whatever. C’est la vie. See you at Donny and Pompey.

cashman 21-04-2019 08:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227332)
Exactly. So what’s your point?

Whats yours Josh defending the indefensible it seems to me.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 08:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227342)
Whats yours Josh defending the indefensible it seems to me.

Tried to establish how you feel Coley has reached his limit?
Trying to figure out how you feel he/we can improve.

Lord Stiffupperlip 21-04-2019 09:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227343)
Tried to establish how you feel Coley has reached his limit?
Trying to figure out how you feel he/we can improve.

My friend, I think that's exactly the point.
Yesterday proved only one thing, that we have a team of L2 standard players & a manager who fears changing both the team & his only game-plan.
There is absolutely nothing you or I can do to change either.
When you decide to compete with the league leaders by playing with one striker up front, you've already mentally conceded defeat.
Yesterday's line-up was Coley's go to team of his favourites. Where was the flair? the creative spark?
Yes we moved the ball around but there was no end product whatsoever.
You cannot criticise subs if they never get the opportunity to show what they can do.
Smyth nearly won us the game at Sunderland & Sousa has impressed on the very rare occasion he's managed to get on the field.
Luton just exposed our limitations & to be honest, we were lucky the scoreline wasn't doubled.

ASFC1019 21-04-2019 09:28

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StanleyJosh we’re wasting our time.
Cashman would love nothing more than coley to fail. He never wanted him back and it would have absolutely killed him to see us win the league last season.
He’d also make the worlds greatest manager by the sounds of it, whenever anything goes wrong he knows all the answers.
As for the Rochdale point of view, you do realise the position they were in when JC took over.
As for the sitting on the wall point of view. What about the work Jimmy and John D do during the game?
As for the season as a whole. If we stay up, which is still very much in our hands. Then that will be a great achievement.
Yesterday I was talking to a few people about how far we’ve came and the teams we were playing not so long ago. The clubs doing well and if we stay up I’m confident there will be an overhaul of the squad. But its difficult given our resources to try and compete with many at this level.

Spartacus2nd 21-04-2019 09:40

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Sometimes you have to accept your position in the hierarchy. Ours is sitting under the table waiting for the crumbs. Every few meals Coley turns those crumbs into a sumptuous banquet.

We've had a look at League One now, assuming we stay up JC will know whats required for next year. If his budget allows he'll back up what we have and hope to unearth the gem that makes us competitive. We CANNOT compete on transfer fees or wages so its pointless papping on about them.

Jeg Red 21-04-2019 09:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227303)
All that happened was caused by a terrible back pass from Super Sean FACT our keeper then added to it and should have been sent off the first time, anyone cant see that needs eyes testing. the ref and liner were abysmal no doubt, Billy was pushed down with ref looking on, Barlaiser the liner looked at him then carried on not even telling the ref.

It was Hughes that played the back pass for the first penalty

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 09:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeg Red (Post 1227347)
It was Hughes that played the back pass for the first penalty

Snigger :cool:

cashman 21-04-2019 09:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ASFC1019 (Post 1227345)
StanleyJosh we’re wasting our time.
Cashman would love nothing more than coley to fail. He never wanted him back and it would have absolutely killed him to see us win the league last season.
He’d also make the worlds greatest manager by the sounds of it, whenever anything goes wrong he knows all the answers.
As for the Rochdale point of view, you do realise the position they were in when JC took over.
As for the sitting on the wall point of view. What about the work Jimmy and John D do during the game?
As for the season as a whole. If we stay up, which is still very much in our hands. Then that will be a great achievement.
Yesterday I was talking to a few people about how far we’ve came and the teams we were playing not so long ago. The clubs doing well and if we stay up I’m confident there will be an overhaul of the squad. But its difficult given our resources to try and compete with many at this level.

Well i thought you were a clown, good of you to now prove it.:rolleyes:

ASFC1019 21-04-2019 09:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227349)
Well i thought you were a clown, good of you to now prove it.:rolleyes:

Thanks for the insult.
If thats your only defence then I think you can admit you were wrong.
As someone else pointed out it was hughes who passed back to Dimi for the pen but you were desperate to point the finger at Sean. And that just about sums you up.

cashman 21-04-2019 09:57

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ASFC1019 (Post 1227350)
Thanks for the insult.
If thats your only defence then I think you can admit you were wrong.
As someone else pointed out it was hughes who passed back to Dimi for the pen but you were desperate to point the finger at Sean. And that just about sums you up.

Look at post 27 or did yeh and ignore it? the guy on yon and everyone around me did watch the match.:rolleyes: theres a big difference between honest opinion and ass kissing yeh should try learning it.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 09:59

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227351)
Look at post 27 or did yeh and ignore it? the guy on yon and everyone around me did watch the match.:rolleyes:

It was 100% Yosser. Watch the highlights.

Jeg Red 21-04-2019 10:02

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227349)
Well i thought you were a clown, good of you to now prove it.:rolleyes:

A clown? Hughes has a no.3 on his back, McConville has 11. Hughes is well built and about 6’ tall - Sean is slightly built and and 5’9”. They’re always getting confused with each other!

ASFC1019 21-04-2019 10:12

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227351)
Look at post 27 or did yeh and ignore it? the guy on yon and everyone around me did watch the match.:rolleyes: theres a big difference between honest opinion and ass kissing yeh should try learning it.

Haha, I have a positive opinion of Coley because I recognise what him and Jimmy have done for this club.
These 2 love Accy as much as us and it’ll be killing them more than anyone to be losing these games.
But Cashman says because Coley sits on a wall and is under no pressure, he must be happy for us to be losing. Do you seriously think this is the case?

cashman 21-04-2019 10:14

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ASFC1019 (Post 1227354)
Haha, I have a positive opinion of Coley because I recognise what him and Jimmy have done for this club.
These 2 love Accy as much as us and it’ll be killing them more than anyone to be losing these games.
But Cashman says because Coley sits on a wall and is under no pressure, he must be happy for us to be losing. Do you seriously think this is the case?

Ha Ha proving once again yer I'Q. i never said he was happy for us to be losing, i said i think hes reached his limit, get someone to explain for yeh.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 10:19

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227355)
Ha Ha proving once again yer I'Q. i never said he was happy for us to be losing, i said i think hes reached his limit, get someone to explain for yeh.

Still haven’t had an explanation as to how he has reached his limit?
Can’t imagine Pep or Klopp doing much better at a LEAGUE ONE (remember that by the way) club.
Would you the. say that they have reached their limit ?

ASFC1019 21-04-2019 10:21

Re: The Luton thread
 
As I said. Cashman has never liked Coley, never wanted him back. And now he’s showing his true colours.
Probably thinks Beattie would be doing a better job.

ASFC1019 21-04-2019 10:24

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227355)
Ha Ha proving once again yer I'Q. i never said he was happy for us to be losing, i said i think hes reached his limit, get someone to explain for yeh.

Also just to correct you. You said him sitting on the wall means he is under no pressure. That implies he is happy for the team to be losing and just taking a backseat. I seen John d and Jimmy shouting on yesterday many times so your whole argument is flawed.

cashman 21-04-2019 10:36

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ASFC1019 (Post 1227358)
Also just to correct you. You said him sitting on the wall means he is under no pressure. That implies he is happy for the team to be losing and just taking a backseat. I seen John d and Jimmy shouting on yesterday many times so your whole argument is flawed.

Stupid is as stupid does, your brain is flawed i said it dont give impression he is under pressure, perhaps one day yeh will learn to grasp what people say.:rolleyes: By the way i never mentioned J.B. he does look like hes active.

Revived Red 21-04-2019 10:42

Re: The Luton thread
 
At the risk of repeating myself (yet again), we really have become so entirely predictable as a team. I certainly cannot get to all the games, but in those I have seen, I cannot recall seeing a move that has been rehearsed on the training ground.

Apart from those in a defensive area, all free kicks are taken by the same person in the same way. A hopeful punt towards the opposition penalty area in the hope that Sykes or Hughes can make contact with a header.

Our occasional attacks down the left wing seem to carry little threat. We all know (so the opposition must know) that any left wing attack will stop for the ball to be played infield - usually diagonally backwards.

When things are not going well, I never see any evidence of Plan B. When substitutions are made (often too late), they seem to be like-for-like

Div3North 21-04-2019 10:44

Re: The Luton thread
 
Differences of opinion, certainly

Personal abuse, absolutely not

Can we move on, please, and do our best to support our team?

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 10:47

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 1227360)
At the risk of repeating myself (yet again), we really have become so entirely predictable as a team. I certainly cannot get to all the games, but in those I have seen, I cannot recall seeing a move that has been rehearsed on the training ground.

Don’t have a training ground ;)
Oh, and Ross’ first goal last week came from a training routine....

Get your point though.
Far too obvious.

cashman 21-04-2019 10:56

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227356)
Still haven’t had an explanation as to how he has reached his limit?
Can’t imagine Pep or Klopp doing much better at a LEAGUE ONE (remember that by the way) club.
Would you the. say that they have reached their limit ?

I think Div 2 is as far as he can go. does that explain it? the fact we are in Div 1 is amazing given our resources and a credit, but every person has a limit.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 10:57

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227363)
I think Div 2 is as far as he can go. does that explain it? the fact we are in Div 1 is amazing given our resources and a credit, but every person has a limit.

Still no explanation as to why.....
Yawn.

Revived Red 21-04-2019 11:05

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227362)
Don’t have a training ground ;)

Sorry - I didn't realise that the team does not train!! :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227362)
Oh, and Ross’ first goal last week came from a training routine....

Yes. It was exactly as I described: "A hopeful punt towards the opposition penalty area in the hope that Sykes or Hughes can make contact with a header".:rolleyes::rolleyes:

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 11:11

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 1227365)
Sorry - I didn't realise that the team does not train!! :rolleyes:



Yes. It was exactly as I described: "A hopeful punt towards the opposition penalty area in the hope that Sykes or Hughes can make contact with a header".:rolleyes::rolleyes:

RR, apologies, that first comment was made more in humour ;)
As for the goal, Ross himself said it came from a routine they’d worked on. (Eg him attacking the ball just past pen spot)

cashman 21-04-2019 11:11

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227364)
Still no explanation as to why.....
Yawn.

Because to me he has little idea how to alter things when it aint working, if yer tired go back to bed.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 11:15

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227367)
Because to me he has little idea how to alter things when it aint working, if yer tired go back to bed.

So you think that the other options he has eg the bench would work?
What changes would you have made at half time??

cashman 21-04-2019 11:22

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227368)
So you think that the other options he has eg the bench would work?
What changes would you have made at half time??

Well i would never start at home with one up front. he complains about playing football on a bobbly pitch then plays Billy Kee on his own, surely the implication is play in the air? plus we trained on it our opponents didnt.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 11:27

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227369)
Well i would never start at home with one up front. he complains about playing football on a bobbly pitch then plays Billy Kee on his own, surely the implication is play in the air? plus we trained on it our opponents didnt.

Play in the air? With who??
2 in the midfield wouldn’t of worked vs Luton.

Greger 21-04-2019 11:28

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ASFC1019 (Post 1227350)
Thanks for the insult.
If thats your only defence then I think you can admit you were wrong.
As someone else pointed out it was hughes who passed back to Dimi for the pen but you were desperate to point the finger at Sean. And that just about sums you up.

Yes, Hughes passed it back to the keeper - he didn't have much choice then - but Sean's poor and stupid pass from midfield created the situation. Hughes passed to LuaLua to set up the worst missed shot of the game, but this one was not his fault.

cashman 21-04-2019 11:31

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StanleyJosh (Post 1227370)
Play in the air? With who??
2 in the midfield wouldn’t of worked vs Luton.

I didnt say play in the air,i said the implication by our so called god, was play in the air, i think your deliberately not understanding josh? i thought better of you.:rolleyes:

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 11:32

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227372)
I didnt say play in the air,i said the implication by our so called god, was play in the air, i think your deliberately not understanding josh? i thought better of you.:rolleyes:

Okay, so let me make my question clear.
The situation we are in. What line up and subs and formation??

cashman 21-04-2019 11:34

Re: The Luton thread
 
Play home matches with 2 up front simple as.

StanleyJosh 21-04-2019 11:43

Re: The Luton thread
 
Like Rochdale & Fleetwood?

andyd 21-04-2019 11:46

Re: The Luton thread
 
If we stay up and it's a big ask now I am beginning to think we need others below to fail we won't I imagine have a great increase in player budget as Andy Holt as said the pitch is now number one concern and he's right it's awful so what does the management team do wholesale changes to the squad being difficult as quite a few of them have recently penned new deals flog the gems not this time nobody has shone reduce the numbers to pay slightly better wages to attract maybe better players or stick with loans and try again but one thing stands out to me a goalscorer is a shopping list must.

ASFC1019 21-04-2019 12:37

Re: The Luton thread
 
Thing is I actually agree that things have been poor the last few games especially. Pitch doesn’t help but both teams have to play on it.
However the reason I piped up this morning was I cannot agree with the personal insults from one person in particular.
People should be able to come on here and discuss the games without being shot down because they disagree with said person.
We obviously disagree on JC, I’m confident most Accy fans would agree with me though.
Its always easy to criticise when things are going badly.

Chimer 21-04-2019 13:03

Re: The Luton thread
 
I'm quite sure that, without the appearance of an fairy godfather who resembles Abramovitch more than Andy Holt, which I for one certainly don't want :nono8:, Coley's taken us as far as anybody can - to the point, as I seem to recall, where Cashy into November/December thought us nailed on for the Championship playoffs at least :rolleyes:. Not sure he's ever likely to change the approach that has got us this far - that's about as likely as Cashy changing his - shall I say - somewhat combative :eek: approach to posting on here.

The real point, for anyone wanting or hinting at changes to the management team, is, surely, does anyone seriously think, without said fairy godfather:

1. We have the resources to offer a "better" team a salary they would accept?

2. Even if we could get such a team, we could then offer them the resources to spend on players which might enable us to do more than survive in whichever league they find themselves?

Personally, I'm happy to enjoy my "season in the sun" :hothothot - even if it's just for one season, though, looking at the various run-ins, I do actually think we will survive.

cashman 21-04-2019 13:08

Re: The Luton thread
 
i also think we will survive.

Chewbacca 21-04-2019 13:10

Re: The Luton thread
 
43 games and 43 goals, I don't blame the strikers more a lack of creativity.

I have run the scenarios and we lose the last 3 we go down, as the ones who need to win below us have Bradford, and despite playing each other you would expect all teams to get 3 points needed down to Dons. Southend could get 4 points given the games but it is 50/50 and Wallsall won't get more than 4. Most teams under us play a top team and expect no points form the game.

A point at home to PA sets them up for having to win at Scunny last game, as both lose their other game. This should see us just stay up. The only fear is Wycombe beating Walsall then losing to Wimbledon, we are likley to go down on GD if that happens.

ASFC1019 21-04-2019 13:18

Re: The Luton thread
 
Fingers crossed for good results tomorrow for us.
Best results are:
Burton to beat Southend
Bristol to beat Rochdale (draw not terrible but think Bristol are safe)
Charlton to beat Scunny
Barnsley to beat Plymouth
Wycombe Walsall draw? (Not disasterous either way who wins this one)
Luton to beat wimbledon on tuesday.

Can see next Saturday being winner takes all tbh. Whoever wins will be safe. Don’t want to be going to Pompey needing something.

Hope everyone is positive next Saturday, could be a big un.

P.S. we have it in us to get something ourselves on tuesday. Nice pitch against a team who like to play football may suit us. A point would be lovely.

cashman 21-04-2019 13:23

Re: The Luton thread
 
Have just seen the highlights on sky, it never showed the long backpass from our attacking half, the last one hughes did make.

Twenty Eight 21-04-2019 13:49

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 1227360)
At the risk of repeating myself (yet again), we really have become so entirely predictable as a team. I certainly cannot get to all the games, but in those I have seen, I cannot recall seeing a move that has been rehearsed on the training ground.

Apart from those in a defensive area, all free kicks are taken by the same person in the same way. A hopeful punt towards the opposition penalty area in the hope that Sykes or Hughes can make contact with a header.

Our occasional attacks down the left wing seem to carry little threat. We all know (so the opposition must know) that any left wing attack will stop for the ball to be played infield - usually diagonally backwards.

When things are not going well, I never see any evidence of Plan B. When substitutions are made (often too late), they seem to be like-for-like

Maybe the problem on the left has something to do with playing naturally right footed players there ? Or is that too simplistic ? Clearly not to simplistic for our opponents to work out.

Div3North 21-04-2019 14:20

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimer (Post 1227379)
I do actually think we will survive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1227380)
i also think we will survive.

It's not well known, but I'm Gloria Gaynor .....................

So I will survive :alright:

accybeme 21-04-2019 17:15

Re: The Luton thread
 
our football has become stagnated, early season what we lacked in physical strength we made up for with our speed and agility enabling us to penetrate defences, our resent performances have lacked all of these qualities, Billy has been out muscled by defenders with little support from players or officials and so on this point I agree with Cashman that at present time we are wasting our time playing Billy on his own up front, the Don’s performances are benign of the form that took him to Ipswich, there are many teams in league 1 with much stronger squads than ours, so the loss to Luton was predictable although we cross/fingers and hope, looking at the fixture list I fear we are on very shaky ground,

Revived Red 21-04-2019 19:11

Re: The Luton thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1227384)
Maybe the problem on the left has something to do with playing naturally right footed players there ? Or is that too simplistic ? Clearly not to simplistic for our opponents to work out.

Post 35 in the "Fleetwood Town match" thread:

It also seems very odd to have two right-footed players as left back and left wing. All defenders will know that the pair of them will switch the ball to their right foot to centre it. So predictable and easy to defend.


Clearly great minds etc etc. ;)

smudgie 21-04-2019 20:32

Re: The Luton thread
 
No point even mentioning golden boy, he won't get dropped in a month of Sunday's !

StanleyJosh 22-04-2019 07:17

Re: The Luton thread
 
Watched highlights for about 10th time now.
Seans ball back to Yosser was fine.

Callum should have done better for 2nd pen and 3rd goal...
But let's blame Sean.

More goals than Clicker
More assists than Clicker

cashman 22-04-2019 07:35

Re: The Luton thread
 
Rubbish seans ball back was shocking we were directly in line with it. It also put hughes under pressure, but he could/should have done better.


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