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‘Assists’ is another one of those meaningless statistics, like possession, that has been imported from a different North American game to give media nerds something to prattle on about and pretend they know some dark secrets about footie that are missed by the average fan. |
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Stanleyjosh says that had whoever was representing the Reds at halftime had not agreed to carry on the game , then the Club would have been sanctioned. Now, to someone who doesnt know the rules whatsoever, will you please try to explain to me if this is in fact the truth of the matter ?. i do not know the fa cup rules of the competition. even the keighley and district fa have a ten page booklet for the 3 competitions they run where you reach the semi final after winning one game. County fa,s used to issue a book also on their competition rules along with other stuff. i imagine that someone at stanley does have a copy {probably on line nowadays** where it is wriiten in stone regarding saturdays issue. it can get a little complicated as its this action to be followed after that action was followed unless that action was not followed in the first place. thing is would the game have actually gone ahead in the first place with only 2 officials attending the game. need to see someone coming out with what is written at the end of the day. |
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Stanleyjosh says that had whoever was representing the Reds at halftime had not agreed to carry on the game , then the Club would have been sanctioned. Now, to someone who doesnt know the rules whatsoever, will you please try to explain to me if this is in fact the truth of the matter ?. i do not know the fa cup rules of the competition. even the keighley and district fa have a ten page booklet for the 3 competitions they run where you reach the semi final after winning one game. County fa,s used to issue a book also on their competition rules along with other stuff. i imagine that someone at stanley does have a copy {probably on line nowadays** where it is wriiten in stone regarding saturdays issue. it can get a little complicated as its this action to be followed after that action was followed unless that action was not followed in the first place. thing is would the game have actually gone ahead in the first place with only 2 officials attending the game. need to see someone coming out with what is written at the end of the day.[/QUOTE] thats what i say, i cannot find owt on the F.A. site yet stanley josh has stated what the rules are, but as yet has not demonstrated where this rule is. |
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It really should have been abandoned from the sound of it. I think they said each club could provide a liner but each liner was rejected by both the clubs. Surely they could have had the Crewe volunteer covering the Accy forwards and the Accy liner covering the Crewe forwards. Probably be plenty of offside decisions but less of a farce than one liner. |
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We are certainly on the "Crest of a Slump" and I gather from the posts on this thread so far that you are all rather unhappy. All teams and their manager go through bad periods during the season. Lets just keep it all in perspective. We all know we have one of the lowest levels of resources in League 1 and that the FA Cup is a competition that often favours the team from the league below. I honestly believe that our results will start to improve in the weeks to come. The manager has the opportunity to make changes in the January window and who knows we may still be playing in League 1 next season. Its an amazing achievement that Stanley have had the success they have had over the last 15 years. I know its very hard supporting a losing team, but the role of the twelfth man is to keep supporting "their players and their manager" through the good times and the bad times.........to quote one level head (USUALLY!!) on this forum..."ON STANLEY ON"....and KIWI....don't start another match thread until Accy Mad gives you permission to do so..........Up the Stanley...
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However, Dave Artell was adamant he wanted to complete the game for the sake of his team and the travelling fans. So the FA were called in to rule and the rules were found. Strange rules though - I am sure in the 70 minutes it took they could have found a local referee. |
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And the failure to score a single goal in those final 10 minutes illustrates how pointless it is to bring on a substitute during that time. |
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like crown grounder i also expect our results to improve, but the annoyance in the main is over what happened on sat with NO explanation. ok crewe were the best side without doubt, but the farce that happened after the injuries to the officials deserve explanation surely? me and many i have spoken too do not believe that what happened is covered by the F.A.s rules.
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Look at the England Rugby XV. World beaters, arguably best performance of all time one week. Next week, hopeless fools who can’t even pass to each other. We could (as I know one southern Stanley fan does) also support Leyton Orient!:eek: Beaten not by a team eight places below them but by one 78 places below. Perspective. What was clear from Mr. Evtimov’s eloquent interview and Coley’s comments was that all the players and staff know that they were crap on Saturday. I would be more worried if they thought they played well or were unlucky. Big challenge at Rotherham. Hope the team show Messrs Barlaser, Crooks, and Ihiekwe just what they are made of. |
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You can set your watch by Stanley's traditional pre-Christmas slump.
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Farcical situation on Saturday really.
As has already been stated Jimmys son Elliot, level 4 referee was asked to run the line but felt it would be inappropriate for obvious reasons. Then a Crewe fan offered but that was also rejected for obvious reasons. Ended up a ridiculous situation!! Less said about what actually happened on the pitch, the better. |
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I have abdicated from this thread.. totally confused !.. I'll let Cashy carry on from here... !! |
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Is Andy Holt still raging?
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SECONDLY. I have read the relevant rules regarding injuries to referees and assistant referees produced by the FA and I also read the FA rules for conducting The FA Cup. I could not find a rule about the continuation of a match with only a referee and one assistant referee. As has already been pointed out earlier on this post ........ there was a call made to the FA and head of referees and they said that the game had to be played with one assistant. I believe that this decision was made on the spur of the moment and I consider that it was a MASSIVE MISTAKE and that the FA need to ammend/extend the relevant rules in 'The LAWS OF THE GAME' in order to make sure that the match should be allowed to continue fairly and in the full spirit of the sport!:mad: THIRDLY. The fact that their was a 'Toss Up' for which team had the advantage of a defensive assistant referee is an admission by the FA that one team was going to be disadvantaged and would therefore be UNFAIRLY treated! The only way that the match might have continued IMHO was if Usain Bolt was a Fully Qualified FA referee, and that he was in our locality at the time of the match! Then perhaps he could have RUN THE LINE ON ONE SIDE OF THE PITCH FROM CORNER FLAG TO CORNER FLAG!....ZOOOM! :eek: I thought that the excessively long delay, with very little information over the loud speaker system was really poor and inconsiderate to the position of supporters who needed to know what time they would be staying until at the ground. My daughter had to leave after only ten minutes of the second half as she had tickets for a concert in Burnley. Q; Should she be financially recompensed?:gif_12: IMHO to play the second half with only one assistant referee was not only FARCICAL but very UNFAIR to the team losing 'The Toss'......(Stanley in this case). It was TOTALLY UNFAIR... IMHO because the team defending the half of the field without the linesman could not play a normal defensive game, they dared not attempt to 'Squeeze' their opponents out of the defensive area because of the risk of obvious 'off sides' not being observed. Some Crewe players clearly tried to take advantage of this and eventually the frustration for the defending side led to the Red Card.:thumbsdow I was told, or read somewhere, that the assistant referee who was on the pitch for the second half has not actually 'refereed' a match on the pitch for SEVEN YEARS. Players on both sides clearly tried to take advantage of him, they gave him far too much verbal grief and the lack of an assistant referee made his job pretty near impossible. He was so bad that it was only in the last ten minutes that I realised he was not an amateur referee from one of our local leagues who had been drafted in! In my view the 'new referee' was not fit to officiate from the centre of the pitch. He made some terrible decisions and denied clear penalty claims. I have never seen so much ridiculous and obvious shirt pulling at corner kicks and free kicks! However, IMHO the players should take more of the blame for this than the unfortunate second half referee.:idunno: I was also concerned for the safety of the players as things could have gone really out of control but luckily once Crewe scored the second goal, both sets of players seemed to sensibly just.... 'play the match out to its inevitable conclusion'.:egged: It is easy to make comments 'after the event' but my own view is that the match should not have continued with only one assistant referee. :( IN SUMMARY; 1) The second half of the match was NOT PLAYED ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, in spite of Andy Holt spending £350,000 on improving our pitch last summer! This is completely contradictory to the LAWS OF THE GAME written by the FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION. 2) The FA need to rewrite their rules about this type of situation occurring in their 'Laws of The Game'. :ooh::moon: THIS SITUATION SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN! THE FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION MUST LEARN FROM THIS AND MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES PROMPTLY TO THEIR 'LAWS OF THE GAME'! :clown::clown::clown::clown: |
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Flippin' eck! Took me ages to write that!
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well thats speaks volumes for people that crack on they know it all, but know nowt. i know very little dont pretend i do, but i also looked and could NOT find a rule that covered this abomination, also i cannot understand why our club did not seem to have checked this out, they had enough time to do so.
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Choirboy, 4 announcements were made over the tannoy system from 16.10 (5 mins after 2nd half due to start) until 16:55 when it was announced fame would resume at 17:10
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The FA who run the competition were contacted and the decision was made. I agree it was the wrong decision, but if we won... I wouldn’t care less. We lost, and even with 2 lino’s we still would have lost |
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the point is not we would still have lost, we were utter garbage on sat, that to me was due to the way stanley were set up to play.
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I find your comment..."but if we won... I wouldn’t care less" very disappointing. IMHO had we won this would have been no less of a RIDICULOUS thing to have happened.:mad: I have sent a transcript of my earlier post to The football Association but I doubt if I will get any response!:cool: |
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And look what we would have won (apart from £36,000 of course) - an away tie at Stourbridge or Eastleigh, not very enticing
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a good draw makes no difference at all to the stupid way the problem was resolved.
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Would I have been as bothered. No. Winning is the most important end goal. In my opinion, a decision was made by the relevant people, I don’t agree with it but have to accept it. Having 1 linesman or 2 - we were still awful and would not have won regardless. |
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so somethings that so blatantly wrong you accept? well sorry i was brought up better than that.
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Just a thought....
Possibility that game was agreed to continue to save managers having to agree on a replacement if couldn’t find a suitable one. If we were 1-0 playing like Crewe were, you’d bet your house Coley would want to continue playing by any means |
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What other options were there? Should the game have been called off? |
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We should have called it off? What, and have to turn up on a cold Tuesday night to watch us get beaten again? Sod that for a game of soldiers!
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would have loved to have played gillingham instead of crewe on saturday just to see nasty mr.evans and his gobby assistant making of the situation.
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Last night sport with Dan Jewel on radio, Dan explained to Colin Hendry what happened, Colin asked "Is this for real? " "it sounds like Sunday league"
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cant understand you accepting this issue one bit.:confused:
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No one is taking the pish out of Stanley.
The most ironic thing is, apart from psychologically - is that there was no arguing over whose throw in it was . . . and no arguing over Crewe being offside. Maybe we don't need assistant ref's after all..... |
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So, if I don't "accept" it? If I carry on whinging about it ad infinitum? Will that change anything? Will Stanley get a replay or compensation? Don't think so. It was a strange, perhaps unprecedented situation and both clubs and officials were reacting to unforseen events, as they happened. In retrospect, perhaps they could have handled things differently. But it's happened now, it's history. I'm done with talking about it, but you carry on protesting. Good luck with that.
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Don't give a crap about the fans? You have lost your mind. I think, apart from you, everyone is aware of what happened at half time. Ref was injured, people offered to be lino, rejected as matter of fairness, no one knew what to do as unusual circumstance, rang FA and head of ref's, decision was made, coin flipped, 2nd half was played.... |
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Who he left is understandable? Care to elaborate because again that makes no sense. In my opinion and disagree all you want, you are someone who turns up to games, watches and goes home. So how exactly would you like to be treated? |
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[QUOTE=cashman;123 he has left in charge those that have taken the club to a place beyond all peoples expectations ok he has appointed some and the club is in a much better situation than its ever been,[/QUOTE]
It says it all really, yet this is club that "don't give a crap about their fans"? Anyway, carry on grumbling, if that's what makes you happy. :rolleyes: |
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All talk.... Point proven. |
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succinct, accurate , and fascinating, and no one has been sanctioned YET !. But Psychological irony, a theory with which I am unfamiliar sad to say ! :confused: .. But it sounds like an element which could throw this thread awry and will lead it on a different tack altogether if we're not very careful. ;) What I really wanted to say was, that from my vantage point I noted Team Crewe pointing out on three occasions to that unfortunate gent( who must have done something terribly wrong in his life to find himself chosen to Referee what was left of the game !!)..that perhaps his decisions on throw-ins were inaccurate !. Just thought I'd mention it !. :alright: |
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I have just realised what I was hoping to say wasn't what I wrote! I was more trying to put across a point that apart from it affecting the Stanley players psychologically, I honestly don't think it actually had a great deal of effect on the outcome of the game. |
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I do hope that your implication isn't that those, like me, who sit in the Main Stand ( which Cashman doesn't incidentally !). are ' grumblers '. If so i take exception to it !. Everyone will tell you that they have never heard me call or grumble about any players or Managers who have represented this great club during the 70 years i have been supporting the Club :cool::rolleyes::confused::p. There are I will admit one or two in the Main Stand who purport to be supporters, yet regularly, by their fickle attitudes and comments, make one wonder how deep their loyalty actually is !. But to say that we are all tarred with this ' grumbler ' brush is most unworthy of you..:rolleyes: |
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on a public forum I have asked you explain your statements. You refused. Point proven (again) |
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MEMO TO MR.T !.....Am I the only one to feel that this thread is becoming, due to its veering off its originally intended topic, a little bit past its sell-by-date ?.
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it seems that this forum has turned into a cult - with only a select few's opinions being valid and any 'newcomers' views completely rejected.
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Memo to mr.t. !
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ANYWAYS!
see you all at Rotherham, let's be the 12th man, regardless of opinions we are all in this for one common goal (I think/hope) , to see the mighty Stanley succeed! |
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And so friends ... as the sun sinks over the Coppice End. Another thread bites the dust !
YEE HAAAAH !. |
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The result of this extraordinary match is totally irrelevant!:o
I do not believe in the result and a win for Stanley being the only thing that matters!:confused: The point that I was trying to make was that the Football Association need to reflect upon the events of last Saturday and make changes to their instructions to referees in order to ensure that this never happens again, not only at Accrington but anywhere in the professional game of football.:jimbo: ON STANLEY ON:theband: |
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aye well look who they are both are sensible folk.
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MR.T... where are you ?.. :cool:
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Just to point out a few things about Josh (and I hope he doesn't mind me saying this). He's the treasurer of the Supporters' Club. He and his partner moved from Bristol to Accrington, simply because they love Stanley so much. In fact, he's exactly the sort of devoted and enthusiastic fan we need to attract! Just saying. :)
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BUT.. ... More than this, as he admits to being one who is able to find something to make him chuckle in my posts he must be nurtured . Such potential fans are not so readily found these days, believe you me !. :rolleyes::cool:. So Josh ... make an old man very happy and keep 'em coming !! . :alright: ON STANLEY !... ON TO GREATER THINGS !!. |
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