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Watchdog 04-02-2023 17:12

Lincoln City Post Match
 
What a difference a week makes. Last week we competed with a premiership team for 60 minutes+ and this week we decide to lie down and be trampled on by a team no better than us. Today was an ideal opportunity to pick up precious points and we never turned up. Theres only one direction we are going unless theres a turnaround in every direction pretty damn quick.

andyd 04-02-2023 17:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchdog (Post 1270851)
What a difference a week makes. Last week we competed with a premiership team for 60 minutes+ and this week we decide to lie down and be trampled on by a team no better than us. Today was an ideal opportunity to pick up precious points and we never turned up. Theres only one direction we are going unless theres a turnaround in every direction pretty damn quick.

Meekly surrendering our league 1 status by the week not helped by a lackluster management team on the touchline who seemed to have accepted that very fact.

Exile on Spencer St 04-02-2023 18:10

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
I give Stanley an A for that performance.
A for Abysmal.
Only Longelo deserved any credit in an otherwise pointless performance.

VALAIRIAN 04-02-2023 18:38

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
Shaun Whalley played well and Harvey was OK :)

Other than those 3, it was terrible... :(



:)

VALAIRIAN 04-02-2023 18:40

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Strikers coming on for 10 minutes are not included :)

cashman 04-02-2023 18:47

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I have NEVER seen i performance as poor as that today by us it was ABISMAL

VALAIRIAN 04-02-2023 18:58

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Behave Cashy, it was NOT that good :)

:)

AccyMad 04-02-2023 19:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 1270856)
Shaun Whalley played well and Harvey was OK :)

Other than those 3, it was terrible... :(



:)

Ryan Astley was having a decent game until he was forced off through injury. Yes, the performance was abject & the result a disaster but foremost in my mind is how Doug Tharme is, it was a sickening collision which their lad appeared almost unscathed from - Doug's mum was sat in front of us - no matter how we all felt, that poor lady was definitely feeling worse

VALAIRIAN 04-02-2023 19:19

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Ryan had a terrible game AccyMad... :( Beaten for pace time after time and got away a few....

Choirboy was correct in the fact that Doug and Ryan have been great in a 4, but were found out in a 3..........

Agree about Doug it was another terrible challenge from an Imps player, one person to blame for that.............



:)

VALAIRIAN 04-02-2023 19:19

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And I sound like Cashy............

choirboy 04-02-2023 19:31

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I don’t usually make any public comments after a defeat………but today I cannot stay silent. Today was probably our worst performance in years.
As we could clearly see in the first ten minutes today our back three were totally stretched across the pitch and Astley and Tharme were totally beaten for pace. We desperately miss Mitch Clarke at the right side of our defence and it was blatantly obvious that we needed to make an early tactical change to a flat back four. Sean Mac has been a great servant for Stanley but I am afraid that the words ‘has been’ are so obviously applicable now. Since Sean had his bad Achilles injury he has not been the same player. He rarely tackles an opponent and stands off opposing attackers, also he cannot dribble past an opponent. His corners and free kicks are so predictable making it very easy for opposing goal keepers and centre backs to deal with.
Tharme and Astley have played quite well when not stretched out across the pitch but today they were torn apart simply by pace. Tharme to me looks a bit heavier than before his injury a few weeks ago.
We missed Seamus Coneelly particularly today in midfield. His experience and positional sense keeps the play tight.
Ross Longelo was our only player capable of beating opponents but like last week our opponents were allowed to foul him at will. Eventually he drifted out of the game too. Toby did manage to keep the score down late on in the match but he really makes me nervous when he has to kick out from back passes!!!
IMHO we finished with eight players on the pitch today…..two off injured, one sent off, subs used up and Sean Mac still on the pitch.
In terms of ‘Luck’ everything seemed to go against us today…..poor tactics and lack of tactical changes did not help but every bounce of the ball seemed to go against us! The referee IMHO was poor but we still would have lost had he been a good ‘un. His decision to give Woods a yellow card for his first tackle was ridiculous and summed up his refereeing today! Woods had won the ball cleanly! He gave yellow cards for petulance but not for the continuous fouls on Longelo and Pressley!
I know that in truth if all of our squad were available and fully fit then only three or four of todays selection would be in the first eleven.
It will be interesting to see what changes are made in selection, tactics and formation for Tuesday.
Finally, I hope that Doug Tharme and Ryan Astley aren’t badly injured and that we can get some of our boys recovering from injury back soon.
Disappointed to see some fans leaving early today……we stayed until the end and always will.
ON STANLEY ON.

yonmon 04-02-2023 20:27

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
I am Saddened by the fact that a team representing our Club have arrived at the point where ineptitude on the part of the players and an apparent lack of interest bordering on apathy shown by the Management seems to be the Status Quo.
' Injuries to key players ' : ' Poor Referees ' : ' Luck not going our way ' will be amongst the mantras rolled out for us to listen to and be persuaded of their veracity.. But even the most optimistic of our army of fans must see that this current trend of poor quality players being guided by poor tactics can only lead the Club in one direction, that being towards a descent and long stay in League 2.
Here I am playing the prophet of doom again, a task which I hate with all my heart. But like Choirboy says " it's hard to keep silent ".
My last hope is that Doug and Ryan are not suffering tonight !.

QUO VADIS STANLEY ??. :confused:

Chewbacca 05-02-2023 01:10

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Difficult for Coleman with the funding tap turned off.

Fans abusing fans, and chants of paedo to home fans for leaving during the injury after 91 mins, after getting the club fines with homophobic chants.

3 centre backs now out for Vale.

It was a poor day, and we were weakened during the window.

Just gone odds on to be related, but 5/6 is really 50/50. I can see the odds getting shorter on Tuesday, but Stanley often pull something out when it looks hopeless....

Watchdog 05-02-2023 07:41

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The main problem is the likes of Bishop, Butcher, Charles (yes Charles) Burgess and Clarke have never been adequately replaced like for like and then we lost the two main centre backs at the start of the season. This now means we are playing with 4 or 5 players who are simply not good enough for League 1 football or, in the case of the young lads, not quite ready. Theres no one in the current team who have fires in their bellies who will get others fired up for the fight week in week out.

yonmon 05-02-2023 08:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchdog (Post 1270870)
The main problem is the likes of Bishop, Butcher, Charles (yes Charles) Burgess and Clarke have never been adequately replaced like for like and then we lost the two main centre backs at the start of the season. This now means we are playing with 4 or 5 players who are simply not good enough for League 1 football or, in the case of the young lads, not quite ready. Theres no one in the current team who have fires in their bellies who will get others fired up for the fight week in week out.




Another interesting sight to note yesterday ?..
Lincoln's captain , who was arguably the MOM , was incessantly driving his players on ( even though it wasn't really all that necessary ?)..whilst our Captain, who was arguably the worst player on view, did little or nothing for the cause ( apart from lobbing high balls to no one in particular !).
Odds on he'll be doing the same at Port Vale !..

cashman 05-02-2023 08:52

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our captain yesterday is PAST IT should NOT be in the team everyone knows why he is though.:rolleyes:i dont mind getting beat but not without trying, which is what i saw yesterday.

Chewbacca 05-02-2023 09:33

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Screaming out for someone like Harry Pell.

You can't sell the best players and expect Coleman to work miracles every season in the transfer market.

Watchdog 05-02-2023 11:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1270873)
Screaming out for someone like Harry Pell.

You can't sell the best players and expect Coleman to work miracles every season in the transfer market.


Spot on about Harry Pell. Not the most skilled, but plenty of passion and gave 110% every game.

yonmon 05-02-2023 11:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 1270873)
Screaming out for someone like Harry Pell.

You can't sell the best players and expect Coleman to work miracles every season in the transfer market.

Is this ' the season too far ' for our Manager C ?..
The one where whatever he attempts to do tactically fails to produce results .?. The one where the players brought into the club are somehow just wrong for the team ?. The one where other Managers know exactly what to do to overcome his efforts with ease ?...
I just don't know. But his demeanour yesterday seemed to suggest to my ageing eyes and mind that this wasn't the fired-up and ultra competitive John Coleman we have seen over the years.
Of course my interpretation of the whole scenario is, and I hope it is !,
totally awry.

andyd 05-02-2023 13:28

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yonmon (Post 1270875)
Is this ' the season too far ' for our Manager C ?..
The one where whatever he attempts to do tactically fails to produce results .?. The one where the players brought into the club are somehow just wrong for the team ?. The one where other Managers know exactly what to do to overcome his efforts with ease ?...
I just don't know. But his demeanour yesterday seemed to suggest to my ageing eyes and mind that this wasn't the fired-up and ultra competitive John Coleman we have seen over the years.
Of course my interpretation of the whole scenario is, and I hope it is !,
totally awry.

I don't know whether it is or it ain't one thing is you can't change history he,s the most successful manager in Stanley's history no argument but nothing lasts forever unfortunately but what I don't get or even like the very mention of him being replaced or moved upstairs or retirement just isn't allowed to be said or thought of in some supporters mind set which to be honest I just can't get my head around not even Alex Ferguson went on forever.

Christies Child 05-02-2023 15:13

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
When both our clubs face teams where home gates for the opposition can bring in £1/2 million gate money per home game. is it any wonder that both of our teams are punching well above their weight especially when certain clubs are paying circa £1million for one player...with wages of over £7500 per week per player.

Watchdog 05-02-2023 15:47

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christies Child (Post 1270877)
When both our clubs face teams where home gates for the opposition can bring in £1/2 million gate money per home game. is it any wonder that both of our teams are punching well above their weight especially when certain clubs are paying circa £1million for one player...with wages of over £7500 per week per player.

So who is the certain club that is paying £1m for one player with wages of OVER £7,500 per player... only asking!

cashman 05-02-2023 17:31

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
some managers get to the end of the road, in other words took them as far as they can. is ours one ? i honestly wonder.

Lord Stiffupperlip 05-02-2023 20:29

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
In the past, I have criticised our manager & his tactics on many occasions.
However, before piling in to lay the blame for our current predicament solely at his door, I'm going to jump to his defence.
Consider the following words;

"I don't like waiting for the last day but I was kept waiting on quite a few players which didn't materialise.
I got let down for a couple of permanents on Monday and got let down on another permanent on Tuesday and four loans"


In a couple of sentences, John Coleman sums up Stanley's predicament.
Three permanent signings & four possible loans - all declined. Why?
For some yes, money would be a deciding factor. But I'm certain that for most, it would be based purely on selfish ambition.
After all, it takes either guts or desperation to join the crew of a sinking ship.
We are faced with the perfect storm, a combination of crippling injuries & the loss of key players. Now is the time for unity not division.
And if the storm sinks us, let's all go down together with dignity.
In the words of Delia Smith 'We need a 12th man. Where are you? Let’s be having you'

Mr T 06-02-2023 07:41

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchdog (Post 1270878)
So who is the certain club that is paying £1m for one player with wages of OVER £7,500 per player... only asking!

Likely to be Ipswich and Sheff Weds.

We know what wages Kaydon and Janoi were promised prior to the new owners coming.

What Josh Windass has been promised should Sheff Weds get promoted back to the Champ is frightening.

Watchdog 06-02-2023 07:59

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 1270886)
Likely to be Ipswich and Sheff Weds.

We know what wages Kaydon and Janoi were promised prior to the new owners coming.

What Josh Windass has been promised should Sheff Weds get promoted back to the Champ is frightening.


Thank you Mr T

andyd 06-02-2023 08:31

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Stiffupperlip (Post 1270880)
In the past, I have criticised our manager & his tactics on many occasions.
However, before piling in to lay the blame for our current predicament solely at his door, I'm going to jump to his defence.
Consider the following words;

"I don't like waiting for the last day but I was kept waiting on quite a few players which didn't materialise.
I got let down for a couple of permanents on Monday and got let down on another permanent on Tuesday and four loans"


In a couple of sentences, John Coleman sums up Stanley's predicament.
Three permanent signings & four possible loans - all declined. Why?
For some yes, money would be a deciding factor. But I'm certain that for most, it would be based purely on selfish ambition.
After all, it takes either guts or desperation to join the crew of a sinking ship.
We are faced with the perfect storm, a combination of crippling injuries & the loss of key players. Now is the time for unity not division.
And if the storm sinks us, let's all go down together with dignity.
In the words of Delia Smith 'We need a 12th man. Where are you? Let’s be having you'

Keith Curle managed to bring 11 players into Hartlepool during the January window and they are struggling at the bottom of league 2 sometimes players actually sign for the manager involved not just the money or league position example Alan Shearer would never have signed for Don Mackay but Dalglish!

Lord Stiffupperlip 06-02-2023 09:15

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andyd (Post 1270889)
Keith Curle managed to bring 11 players into Hartlepool during the January window and they are struggling at the bottom of league 2 sometimes players actually sign for the manager involved not just the money or league position example Alan Shearer would never have signed for Don Mackay but Dalglish!

Perfectly true.
But are you implying no one has any respect for John Coleman?
Or is it our reputation for having the poorest gates & one of the lowest budgets in the EFL that influence a players/agents decision?
When the going gets tough everyone screams for the managers head.
Just saying the guy's doing his best under incredibly difficult circumstances.
If we win the next 3 games he'll be hailed as a football genius again.
That's football.

andyd 06-02-2023 09:21

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Stiffupperlip (Post 1270891)
Perfectly true.
But are you implying no one has any respect for John Coleman?
Or is it our reputation for having the poorest gates & one of the lowest budgets in the EFL that influence a players/agents decision?
When the going gets tough everyone screams for the managers head.
Just saying the guy's doing his best under incredibly difficult circumstances.
If we win the next 3 games he'll be hailed as a football genius again.
That's football.

Absolutely correct wasn't calling or implying anything it's just an observation and we will never find out who these players were one thing that is pretty certain is they won't have been lower non league players jumping at the chance for a league move.

Inspector Morse 06-02-2023 17:55

Re: Lincoln City Post Match
 
At least we don't have Keith Curle as manager.
See things could be worse.


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