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Let me start by agreeing with the majority of posters about last night's game. Yes, we were outplayed, we were poor and didn't deserve anything but at the end of the day we got a point, so well done to the lads for not giving up! However, I must say that I was left very disappointed and ashamed by one guy standing near me - a guy , I might add, who is noted for his very loud voice and usually amusing comments. Last night, however, in the second half, he took it upon himself to shout two or three particularly offensive racist comments towards Dean Howell, who was visibly upset and reacted angrily towards them. Let's not forget that this is a player who at one stage we might have been interested in signing and who, we hear, actually came over to have talks with the management. We glibly talk about kicking racism out of football, encouraging the wearing of anti-racism wristbands, and yet this is the reception we give to an opposing player, whose only crime is not to be the same colour as the majority of us.! I may be over-reacting, but, had I been Howell, I wouldn't be at all interested in joining a club where fans loudly refer to me as "Ch**ken G***ge and K**te Kin*e. Sorry if people don't agree with me here, but last night my delight at salvaging a point was definitely somewhat soured by this.

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xenophobes like these really annoy me because they are so two faced, if he had been the winning goal scorer they would have been patting him on the bloody back.:confused:

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AND ........ for saying that I deplore racism at my football club, I get Karma points deducted! Great - I wonder what this guy used to shout to Lutel!

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You have accused someone without naming them and you have sensationalised it when you could just complained to the club and named the person.

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I've no idea where you were stood, but I heard the same comments shouted at a Barnet player on Saturday. I was stood at the Whinney Hill side of the ground. I sort of recognised the bloke, but I have no idea what his name is.

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This was left on my karma

1) I am against racism .. the accusation that I am not is pathetic

2) I never said he didn't have the right to post it.. I believe he has the right to post it and anyhting else within forum guidlines

3) My point that you missed was that if he is so against it then why doesn't he complain to the club instead of sensationalising it in here.

4) Anyone and I mean ANYONE on this forum who feels man enough to confront me and accuse me of being a racist is free to do so on Monday night... My point was valid as the post tars us all with the racism brush and it does the club no favours having this headline. A complaint should be made to the club and the finger pointed to whoever is gulity


Suggesting I am a racist because I am against sensationalising it and more for an actual complaint to the club is absoloutly pathetic and insulting to the extreme, it shows a complete lack of understanding of the point I made :(

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Okay folks, that's my lot! I don't know the guy's name, but far from "sensationalising" the incidents, I am merely stating that I was disappointed by them. I don't know who left you the message, Kipax, but I certainly wouldn't accuse you of being a racist. However, if, by merely pointing out that it went on, I am being sensationalist, then I'm better off out of here. I won't be posting again.

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I have absoloutly 100% took the hump that someone would say what they have in regards to what I believe..I don't care who said it...

I however stand by what I have said to you.. I do think you have sensationalised the incident by starting this thread for not just us but every other conference fan to see and start telling everyone we are racists.. i really wish you had took other action... However i never said that you where wrong or that it makes you a bad person did I?

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owwwwwwwwwww oldgobbln don't go off people have done this in the past.
Yes people have different views, but it is a good forum really.

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On the contrary every other conference fan can see this post by OldGobbin and see from it that Stanley fans in general are not racists and deplore the racist comments of one amongst them.

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Your talking about football fans who revel in finding somehting bad to say about another club... they will take the racism bit and ignore the rest...... thats the way it happens... You dont see many threads of congratulations regarding accy over the internet...its 90% bad... i just think this is more ammo for them...

I aint saying ignore it or bury our head in the sand.. in fact the opposite.. I am saying tell the club direct...

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OK another karma dropped with this

Why do they need a messageboard and a headline to say soemhting? why not tell the club who can then do somehting?

I scratched my backside about ten minutes ago if someone wants to take my karma off for that as well ?

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Can we agree to disagree on this?

I am still of the opinion that saying nothing openly often implies condoning an act whereas criticising it at least shows where the critic stands on the subject.

Would "telling the club direct" have actually produced any result? What could anyone do/have done? At least this way you and I, and everyone else, know that OldGobbin deplores racism.

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I am so glad you shared that with us.............lmao can I go and tell everyone hehehehe

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Isn't karma fun? I lost a couple of points for actually agreeing with the person who deducted them! lmao.

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hehe i have loads.. they can take mine away all day if they want....

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not right bothered about it myself!!

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You can always give me Karma if you want, im runnin a bit low :)

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I gave you a bucketload last week... score a hat trick and i will give you some more :)

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This way it will let the whole league/other leagues know that there is racism in the ground. Fans from other teams will thrive on this talk and spread this around other sites etc. Then other clubs as in the past will think Stanley have an Ultras group, thinking they are racists, and then stereotype every stanley fan as a racist...AND we MOST DEFINATELY ARE NOT!

I think this was the wrong way of going about it, although I see why you have done it.

If the certain people who Olgobbin/TM are accusing are reading, Lets stamp it out weve had enough bad publicity recently we dont want anymore...

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The impression I got from the post was that OldGobbin wanted it stamping out.

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No I don't think people will think it is all stanly fans, by the sounds of it this was one idiot that does'nt deserve to be a stanley fan

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Precisely Slinky - and other Stanley fans pointing that out surely show that Stanley fans in general are not racist.

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Well that wil motivate me for the game on Sunday, you will have to take a photo of me celebrating if/when i score 3 on sunday, its already a tenner for hat tricks, and me and smiffy always have a private bet with cammy for a tenner if any of us score a hat trick, so Sunday could be a good day for me - £20 and some karma :D

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Can I have karma for my thoughts ???:D

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I don't get your last statement smiffy????

Now it is out in cyberspace lets try and put an end to it.

Can anyone suggest who he is??? I never heard anything like Racist comments, but if we all agree that(and we do) this is to stop, lets have a word.. and if it crops up again, lets be man enough to tell him at the game, that we don't want it there.
I for one will tell anyone I hear being racist that it should stop.. Nicely of course.

Lets be known for doing something positive..:)

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Quote me were i have said he didnt
First of all i did not say it is all Stanley fans what I said was if some loser came on here and spread this all over the internet we (as Stanley fans) would all get classified as racisits

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Didn't I hear that someone selling raffle tickets or something similar on behalf of the club was making racist comments at an earlier game?

I agree with you Simon that the person concerned should be told there and then that it is not acceptable.

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As I read it the only comments here are from those who object to the racist remarks and therefore far from classifying Stanley fans as racist it should do exactly the opposite.

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I think you've misunderstood my reference there.

You said it should be stamped out and I was merely pointing out that OldGobbin was of the same opinion.

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Excuse me, I did not aim this at you!! I was replying to gobsmacked. Touchy.

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OK, but just look at the title of the thread, I for one know that if football fans from other teams latch onto this then they will not look at for one 99.9% of us are not racist they will pick out that 0.01% of our fans who have been accused of being racist and this is what will give us a bad reputation, they will see the worst and ignore all the rest thats all I'm saying,

Other clubs will see the worst and spread negatives about us, not the positives that we are trying to stamp it out and not to have racism in the IES, it will affect us as fans and as a club...as I have said before we will be stereotyped by other teams

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I hear what you are saying smiffy, yes maybe this place was the wrong place. But what I was pointing out is that not all stanley fans are racist, just the knob head that was doing the abusing (sorry can I say knob head hope so cos I just said it again lmao)

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Isn't that what I have said from the start?

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Equally if anyone hears a racist chant at a match they could stereotype the whole crowd but that doesn't mean the whole crowd actually are chanting.

Anyway what became of the ticket seller? Did he get the push?

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I think he was at the Barnet game :s

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Hmmm........... that would imply that the club condones racism more than this thread does.

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ow I would say someone is gonna kick your BOL'''KS IN FOR THAT LMAO

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It wouldn't be the first time. Just watch my karma go down the pan. rofl.

However, isn't it a valid point? If this ticket seller was making racist remarks why is he still retained in that capacity? Has he been rebuked?

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I hear what your all saying and I can see what Smiffy is trying to say. I think Simon as the bull by the balls here, The only way to deal with this is to nip it in the bud before others are led astray or worst still other less welcome individuals are attracted to the ground. Find the gentleman and have a chat with him, maybe a photo in the ground taking the name and shame route.

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NO HE WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD FOUR TIMES. But cheated death to live another day!!(or few)

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now that is a good idea NAME AND SHAME what a thought hehehehe good one

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Direct action at the time of the next incident if there is one would be an ideal solution. If he continues then why not ban him from the ground?

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Have you checked kipax's website to see if he is on any of the pics from Halifax game

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I hope to see all the people commenting on this issue at the next home game.. but I some how doubt it... You read the headline racism and came running into the forum to have your say.. Which proves my point... its been sensationalised...

As for what to do... the person should be pointed out to the appropriate poeple who will then monitor and remove//ban if appropriate.. thats how it should and probably would be done.. they cant act on whats said on a MB..

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heeeeeeeeeeeee well there you go just had karma taken off me when I was sticking up for the stanley fans!!! I tell ya people really get on my nerves with this. No wonder people are leaving accy web, you can't do right for doing wrong. All I said was that people will see that this idiot is on his own and should not be a stanley fan (meaning that the ultra's try there best to keep this kind of thing OUT!!'' and I get told I know nothing about football and i am just here for the ride. oh well maybe if we were face to face I could put my point across better because the screen is'nt saying it good enough.

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Oh and while we are at it who ever took the karma points off me for not knowing anything about ASFC, who the hell made ultras the boss of accy stanley?? because I was always under the impression it belonged to the town not a group of lads!!!!!!!

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ultras? Forgive me for being thick, but a clue would be nice.

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http://www.stanleyultras.co.uk/

Here you go doug..:)

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Calm down everyone, all this about karma, it would be easier if people leave there name at then end of it. (and what ever you do dont put someone elses name or you will find you will get banned and form a bad impression on yourself, and also everyone will hate you for a while after)

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Don't get me started doug because at the moment it is'nt the racism that is bothering me,
it is a member of the ultras that is letting the side down.

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hey no-names mentioned it's not about that. but yes i agree it would be nice if people left names then you could ask WHY at least

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I find this trend of being worried about one's Karma kind of disappointing, especially as the original poster had a very valid point. However, I will say, i stood on the Whinney Hill Terrace last night and did not hear any racist comments, However, if T.M. and oldgobbin have heard such comments, then they have a duty to point out offender to stewards and then this should be forwarded to the club for official action, even if they do not know his/her name. Lets concentrate on kicking out racism in the club and kicking out all offenders of racism forever.

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I agree with simon that if you hear anyone being racist then you/someone else should have a word with them and tell them its not acceptable, and EVERYONE at ASFC are against it

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No I could'nt give a flying banana if my karma is at zero! the point is the TREND of taking it off people because THEY CAN!! If I have a point I will damn well make it! freedom of speach and all that.

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I think the problem being with the karma was the comment that was made from one person, saying knowing nothing about football etc somehting like that

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you are damn right it was, I might be a woman but I aint having no boy tell me I know nothing.

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i agree with what others have said on this matter, if you are going to complain on a messageboard about this sort of thing, and not name the offender, and not complain to the club, what was you doing posting?

Pointing it out? if it bothers you enough to write that much about it complain officially, or at least name them so somone else more willing to take action will do.

Lee

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The original poster did indeed have a very valid point and I totally agree with you that if this is noticed in future it should be pointed out to someone in a position to do something about it. I wouldn't suggest "having a word" with the offender oneself as that could lead to a dispute which could get out of hand (much like this thread)

As for being at the matches, I'm afraid that not being local I do not have that opportunity but have been to the occasional one and would like to think that others like myself would be welcome despite the fact that we are not season ticket holders.

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Slinky, Doug, Gobsmacked ? You will all be at the game on Monday i presume... Why not watch out for this guy yourselves and have a word?

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Presumably he doesn't know the name of the person.

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Cheers Simon that’s brilliant, I'm not a committed support of football these days but I am increasing impressed by the commitment displayed by the folks on this site. I remember the regret and hanger felt by people around me in the early 60s and I suffered all the jokes about <?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:City u2:st="on"><U1:p</u1:City>after leaving Accy. What has been done should be recognised and held up as something positive for the borough. Nice job lads and lasses.

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No, Kipax, I won't be there because as you are fully aware I do not live in Accrington. However, if I attend a match at some future date and I overhear a racist comment then I will endeavour to point out the offender to someone in authority. Will that do for you?

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make sure you point it out with a RED mark right on the end of the nose will you?

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sorry my bad, i read that earlier.

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Did you get my point though?

You dont normally come in here discussing what happens at the game.. you all came rushing in because of the headline...

I aint having a go.. just trying to make my point :)

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slinky... i hope your not suggesting blood? me and the lads be fienting all over the place at the sight of a single drop :)

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Hey don't justify yourself to me mate, I know why you did it..................but keep your opinions to yourself (if you get my drift) talking of drift's it's snowing again

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lmao i'll mop it up does'nt bother me could say it's a occupational hazard.

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Actually I usually read the new threads when I return to a message board and on this occasion was drawn to comment because it seemed to me that OldGobbin had been unjustly criticised and to such an extent that he decided to leave the site which I think is a shame.

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slinky - your karma has gone up loads in the last 30 mins lol

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I told Doug you were dangerous Slinky! One mention of blood and violence and up goes your karma!!

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lmao see HARD AS TEN MEN ME !!!!!!!!!!! not

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You scare me :D

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Behave, thats a bit drastic isnt it?

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I think it's the whip that does it!!

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Well said Doug.

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I take my hat off to you doug..................that was very well said, I wish others ahd a good way with words like you

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accept he missed my point.... where was you last week and the week before when we where talking about football and what goes on in the stadia.... the only reason you jumped in now is because the word racism is used.... thats my point..

yeagh great you can take an interest.. but lets be honest here.. your not exactly a regular contributor to the accrington stanley area..... someone shouts racist and your in there like a shot

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yeah yeah!!!:dummy:

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Lots of other people dont go to the games... thats not my point... we have fans all over the world.. but they are here taking an interest all the time... not just when somehting bad is said

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like what was said before it's not the BAD THINGS that were said that made them look it was the fact that some poor guy has had to leave the forum tonight vowing not to come back!!!!!!!!!! just because he had a point, like it says on the login ''it's a forum'' thats what forums are for giving each other thoughts. And you get punished for having a different one to the rest of them, take a look! i'm not just spouting my mouth off!

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One mention of Slinlky the kinky and my blood goes up as well.

KIPAX, I got your point, but maybe we should all keep a door open and be happy to welcome each other and our opinions, for some of us opinions are all we've got, and to be honest I would rather be sharing my opinion on a serious theard than making a pratt of myself on others. If you close the door to people like us that don't get off our ases and support the team at the ground then you may as well take all the links away. By having them open and encoraging the non direct suppoters to share opinion they might get the bug and do something more positive.

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yeagh yeagh :)

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i disagree, he didnt have too, he chose too.

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is that yeah yeah with phlegm in your throat or sommet?;)

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no he did'nt HAVE TO! but what the hell is the point of a forum if you can't put what you believe in without getting cr'p for it, and basic getting told to SHUT IT!!

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god this man is good!!!!!!

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its exactly what you did to me so I did it back... this is war you know :)

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OK WAR IS DECLARED..................BRING IT ON B''''TCH:eek:

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so he can have opinions but others cant?

he didnt get told to shut it he was aske his reasons why he posted, and then it was suggested he complain.

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right what ever!! everyone is entitled to an opinion simple as. On a lighter note IT'S SNOWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(JUST TO ANNOY DOUG)

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slinky your stretching it a bit there... did you even read the original posts....he wasnt insulted or got at... he posted something.. i disagreed with the headline as did others... then all these (new born accy fans) came charging in to tell us how bad racism is...

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Slinky.. if everyones entitled to an opinion then whats the problem? sod the snow and get back into the argument :)

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CAN'T SOD THE SNOW I LIKE IT anyway you are just arguing for the sake of it now (what happened to the ''yeah yeah war'' anyway:mad:

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Come on guys dont let the side down... 5 more posts to the hundred then some boring git can come along and lock the topic hehehe:)

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no were not :)

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ok 5 more you say!!!!!!!! right can I just say a great big thankyou to doug for all his wise words this evening (me thinks he must have been an owl in his past life)

thanks to kipax for teaching me how to argue about YEAH YEAH'S

and to all the other people who I can't remember there names YOU MUST NOT HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT!!