A second half to forget - Tranmere home

[VALAIRIAN]

He has done his usual Haggis a few weeks ago now.

[Crown Grounder]

Originally Posted by Haggis316

Searched @andyhholt on Twitter for his take. Said account did not exist.

He is at most games Haggis, I sit 6 feet away from him and speak to him regularly after the match. He's not difficult to find if you have a question to ask. .

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by Reamer

Yes the buck stops with Doolan but the budget we have and the kind of players we can get plays a massive part.

And next years budget just went down by 100k with the 3500 tickets that you could have sold to the Tranmere and Carlisle fans that for some secret reason the clowns now running the club chose not to.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by NORTHERNSOUL

And next years budget just went down by 100k with the 3500 tickets that you could have sold to the Tranmere and Carlisle fans that for some secret reason the clowns now running the club chose not to.

It’s obviously rankled you, NorthernSoul, but your maths assumes every ticket would sell for £28.50.

[landhusweg]

Hard to believe, leading 3-0 at half time, then drawing 3-3 at full time! How is this possible. A couple of questions:
- What was talked about in the dressing room at half time?
- What did they drink/eat at half time?
Cheers

[AccyMad]

Those questioning what was said to our players at half time etc, how about reversing it & wondering what was said to their players?
They'd obviously had a rocket up their backsides & that plus the changes they made meant they came out a different side - Tranmere have a record of coming back from the brink of defeat to claim a late draw & were never gonna just roll over
Gutting I know but we go again

[AccyMad]

Originally Posted by NORTHERNSOUL

And next years budget just went down by 100k with the 3500 tickets that you could have sold to the Tranmere and Carlisle fans that for some secret reason the clowns now running the club chose not to.

Hardly a secret reason.&;for once the decision was made not to give a numerical advantage to the away teams for a few quid extra in the pot

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by AccyMad

….how about reversing it & wondering what was said to their players?….Tranmere have a record of coming back from the brink of defeat to claim a late draw & were never gonna just roll over

And I guess that’s why, on current six game form, Tranmere are second best in L2 and Stanley second worst.
But taking four points off Tranmere in league games is not a bad return.

Thus far Stanley have “lost” 12 points from leading positions, by late (85+ mins) goals from opponents*, and “gained” 6 points.

Is fitness and strength an issue?

* Harrogate, Colchester, Port Vale, Wimbledon, Gillingham, & Tranmere.

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

It’s obviously rankled you, NorthernSoul, but your maths assumes every ticket would sell for £28.50.

Not at all just factor in the spend on food, drink and programmes [Do Stanley still do a paid for programme ?]etc and its not hard to arrive at the figure i quoted.

Its not the fact that this decision has been made that rankles with me but the fact that no one at the club has the balls to come out and explain the rationale behind a decision that makes absolutely no financial sense what so ever.

And if they did no doubt they would cover up the real reason with crap about not letting the visitors fill the ground but hey ho it didnt do much harm in recent seasons against say Leeds, Ipswich, Derby and of course Sunderland did it all of which were great spectacles and the fans of those clubs all went away with nothing but good things to say about Accrington Stanley in my opinion it adds to the crack on the day and in the long term would do more to encourage the fans of the future to get hooked than any shirt give away would do.

And all that is before the fact that the club could well end up with some of the police bill that will be needed when a thousand Cumbrians descend on the town on a Bank Holiday Monday without tickets if the great escape is still on after the Port Vale game on Friday. It makes absolutely zero sense to have 1700 empty seats in the ground when there are 1700 fans sat in Carlisle [ or in the pubs in Accy] who would have been quite happy to contribute to that 100k defecit.

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by AccyMad

Hardly a secret reason.&;for once the decision was made not to give a numerical advantage to the away teams for a few quid extra in the pot

Perhaps you could point me then to somewhere where someone from Stanley has actually come out and said that because if they have its an utter disgrace and they need reminding of the mantra "Without fans there is no football" and they will deserve all that they get on Monday.

Ask Lancashire plod how mush they spent policing Morecambe and Lancaster town centres on Saturday after having intelligence that up to 500 Carlisle fans were intending on travelling without tickets.

[AccyMad]

Originally Posted by NORTHERNSOUL

Perhaps you could point me then to somewhere where someone from Stanley has actually come out and said that because if they have its an utter disgrace and they need reminding of the mantra "Without fans there is no football" and they will deserve all that they get on Monday.

Ask Lancashire plod how mush they spent policing Morecambe and Lancaster town centres on Saturday after having intelligence that up to 500 Carlisle fans were intending on travelling without tickets.

As far as I know nobody from the club has said this officially or otherwise but if it is the reason why exactly is it a disgrace?
In another post you mention games v Leeds, Derby, Sunderland etc where the opposition have outnumbered the Stanley fans & yes, they were good games with a cracking atmosphere BUT on other occasions, for example the play off game in 2016 v Wimbledon & the semi final of the Efl trophy v Bolton giving these clubs a massive numerical advantage backfired on us, not only because of the results but also the away fans behaviour, particularly in Boltons case & I would hope lessons were learned from that.
If the games against Tranmere & Carlisle were not so pivotal.for both clubs, i'm.sure more tickets would have been made available & a good day out would have been had by all.with us welcoming any additional revenue but that is not the case so why should we give in to.'bigger clubs' demands for more tickets just because we're going to disappoint some of their fan base?
You mention there could be a police bill if fans travel without tickets, well that would be a guaranteed bill if we allowed more opposition fans in the ground

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by AccyMad

As far as I know nobody from the club has said this officially or otherwise but if it is the reason why exactly is it a disgrace?
In another post you mention games v Leeds, Derby, Sunderland etc where the opposition have outnumbered the Stanley fans & yes, they were good games with a cracking atmosphere BUT on other occasions, for example the play off game in 2016 v Wimbledon & the semi final of the Efl trophy v Bolton giving these clubs a massive numerical advantage backfired on us, not only because of the results but also the away fans behaviour, particularly in Boltons case & I would hope lessons were learned from that.
If the games against Tranmere & Carlisle were not so pivotal.for both clubs, i'm.sure more tickets would have been made available & a good day out would have been had by all.with us welcoming any additional revenue but that is not the case so why should we give in to.'bigger clubs' demands for more tickets just because we're going to disappoint some of their fan base?
You mention there could be a police bill if fans travel without tickets, well that would be a guaranteed bill if we allowed more opposition fans in the ground

Youre right they Havnt.

And i see they've now don it again in only giving the reduced number to Chesterfield as well.

Can anybody really believe that reducing the away allocation increases Stanley's chances of winning games ? Does it hell having a cracking atmosphere in a full ground does is encourages the Stanley boys to turn up in numbers and be just as loud.

I wasnt at the Wimbledon game so can't comment on that one but the Bolton game was a bit different because whatever they did they couldnt win either give them the tickets or risk having Bolton fans in the home areas but once again backward thinking from Accy when they should have said its a thousand tickets or you pay for and bring 30 stewards if you want the other 1700 seats.

Personally i would have charged 40 quid for a ticket and given 2x £10 vouchers to use at future games or at the bars and kiosks to increase the take on the night as the Bolton fans would have all spent them on food and drink on the night putting another 50k into the coffers.

Anyway we both live to fight another day and nobody was more relived than me to hear the Accy boys had done the business at Salford and were superbly backed into the bargain and that despite trying to do an Accy and throw away a 3 goal lead our miracle is still on and its now looking like its Tranmere with all the work to do and if our Cumbrian neighbours do us a favour on Monday it most definitely will be. We're just targeting getting to 49 points and see where that gets us and if we do we.ll gladly accept our fate knowing that both Hughes and the team couldnt have done any more.

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Well it wasnt much of a spectacle as far as the game went was it ? and the draw was about a fair result but i think the decision the ref at the Port Vale game made to send Matty Dennis off cost us the extra 2 points today as your 3 centre backs managed to contain Kelly but would they have been as effective if theyd had another striker who puts himself about to worry about as well when instead you got the lightweight ineffective Hugill to manage which you did pretty easily. But it was pretty clear to see that Fridays exertions had taken it out of us as we were nowhere near as bright as we have been in recent games.

But what gets me is why you havnt played that system away from home and picked up more points using it.

Anyway the point does a lot more for you than it does for us but hey we fight on and put ourselves in the hands of Crewe and Newport as 1200 of us take the road to Cheltenham.

As for the numbers issue if what the stewards told us is correct the capacity of the Coppice has been cut in half due to the issues that were discussed on here a couple of weeks ago and there was proper fencing attached to the back row of barriers where the temporary bit starts as opposed to the tape that was there previously. There didnt look to be much different to how its been for the last 10 years and nothing that a set of accrow props wouldnt put right like they did at Gillingham.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Fair assessment, Northernsoul, and, the way this season’s gone, a draw was inevitable once extra time was announced.
You maybe be right about the absence of Mr.Dennis, but Stanley had two of their best defenders, Rawson and Batty, missing and the latter’s absence meant Ben Woods impact was “sacrificed” at left back.
As a Cumbrian I wish CUFC well. But may change my mind if you manage two 6-0 wins!

[VALAIRIAN]

Originally Posted by NORTHERNSOUL

And next years budget just went down by 100k with the 3500 tickets that you could have sold to the Tranmere and Carlisle fans that for some secret reason the clowns now running the club chose not to.

This was talked about at the Fans' Forum - watched on YouTube - and it was down to Policing costs.........