Labour Leadership Contest - Page 11

egg&chips · 18-09-2015, 21:21

I suspect that Mr Corbyn may prove to be an effective leader of the opposition but is not electable as PM because he does not dance to the populist tune of the mainstream media. I think that his only chance of gaining widespread support among non-labour members is to galvanise the young and rekindle their involvement in the current voting process. My son's generation seems to be growing increasingly indifferent as to the outcome of a process which they feel is an outdated model of democracy.

cashman · 18-09-2015, 21:57

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Originally Posted by egg&chips

I suspect that Mr Corbyn may prove to be an effective leader of the opposition but is not electable as PM because he does not dance to the populist tune of the mainstream media. I think that his only chance of gaining widespread support among non-labour members is to galvanise the young and rekindle their involvement in the current voting process. My son's generation seems to be growing increasingly indifferent as to the outcome of a process which they feel is an outdated model of democracy.

Lot of sense in that, but aint sure hes not electable? have spoken to quite a few middle aged n owd farts like me, who reckon hes whats needed, though the widespread involvement of the young will probably be the main requirement, and thats certainly not outa the question imho.

Guinness · 18-09-2015, 22:13

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Can't understand the national anthem fuss, though. Agnostic republican doesn't sing "God Save The Queen". How surprising.

Thats an outdated and past its use by date media for you.....deflect from anything relevant by pointing out the irrelevant...

Then again idiots who vote for our MP drink this kinda nonsense like they drink in the latest crud about xfactor wannabees and football wags.

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Originally Posted by egg&chips

I suspect that Mr Corbyn may prove to be an effective leader of the opposition but is not electable as PM because he does not dance to the populist tune of the mainstream media. I think that his only chance of gaining widespread support among non-labour members is to galvanise the young and rekindle their involvement in the current voting process. My son's generation seems to be growing increasingly indifferent as to the outcome of a process which they feel is an outdated model of democracy.

You’re a teacher…educate him, show him that the only chance of real change, short of an unlikely violent revolution, is to vote in someone who has a different viewpoint and offers something different, show him how the mainstream media like to twist things in order to maintain the status quo.

Or you could just leave him to his apathy, hoping that someone else will somehow, somewhere do something…

egg&chips · 19-09-2015, 07:32

Ah, he's anything but apathetic. He just does not buy into MOTR politics and the media circus dedicated to maintaining the status quo. As I'm sure you know, there's a growing subculture which eschews the sources most of us depend of for news and "guidance" and rely on self generated, self researched sources of information.
Sometimes I'm not sure who is the niaive one, him or me.

dotti34 · 19-09-2015, 22:27

I'll throw a bit in here about the Government in Australia - we've now had 5 changes of Prime Minister in 5 years (4 people, one had two bites of the cherry)...and you think you have political problems!!!!

cashman · 22-09-2015, 12:32

Well it all seems to have gone quiet, perhaps cos the torys are pigging about?

Gordon Booth · 22-09-2015, 15:25

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Well it all seems to have gone quiet, perhaps cos the torys are pigging about?

The Tories aren't going to pull him down.
They see him as their guarantee of a second term.

Eric · 22-09-2015, 15:44

A bit soon to be writing off Corbyn and Labour ain't it? The tories have over four more years in which to screw up. The latest economic figures show a larger deficit than expected, in large part owing to a drop in corporate tax receipts ... the greedy sonsabitches are using tax shelters like it's goin' outa style. The NHS is under attack ... and the next round of slash and burn economics is soon coming up. Perhaps the best thing that could happen for Labour is that Cameron and his crew will start to feel too secure, although they may stay away from the trough for a while

As Shakespeare wrote: And you all know, security/Is mortals' chiefest enemy.

cashman · 22-09-2015, 16:04

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

The Tories aren't going to pull him down.
They see him as their guarantee of a second term.

Nah they daren't pull him down, he may just do n ashcroft if they do.

Eric · 22-09-2015, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

He may appeal to socialists, but there aren't enough socialists in the British electorate to sweep him to power in 2020.

The tories with a free hand may create those socialists. And, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Gordon Booth · 22-09-2015, 16:28

A good strong democracy needs a good strong Government.
But it also needs a good strong Opposition.
Without both it's in danger of ceasing to be a democracy.

Corbyn seems a nice quiet guy but nice quiet guys don't come out on top, especially when their policies are so dated. He's never given us a costing for re-nationalising the railways and the utility companies, free tuition fees, nationalising the banks, removing all elements of privatisation from the NHS etc.
Stripping off a few hundred rich bankers and fat cats won't pay for all that.
Even the Russians and the Chinese have progressed beyond his ideas. North Korea hasn't, do any of us fancy that?

JCB · 22-09-2015, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Corbyn seems a nice quiet guy but nice quiet guys don't come out on top, especially when their policies are so dated. He's never given us a costing for re-nationalising the railways and the utility companies, free tuition fees, nationalising the banks, removing all elements of privatisation from the NHS etc.
Stripping off a few hundred rich bankers and fat cats won't pay for all that.

But the billions spent on replacing Trident will go a heck of a long way to paying for it .

Wynonie Harris · 22-09-2015, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Eric

The tories with a free hand may create those socialists. And, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.

The Tories had a free hand in 1979. They decimated our industries and caused untold misery in the country, yet they were re-elected in 1983. One of the main reasons was that the Labour Party was led by Michael Foot - a left-wing socialist just like Jeremy Corbyn.

Don't get me wrong - I think Corbyn's a thoroughly decent bloke. It speaks volumes that he chose to help one of his constituents with her housing problems rather than go to Twickenham to watch the rugby - for which he was roundly mocked by that odious, braying ex-public school tosspot, Boris Johnson.

Whether being a decent bloke will be enough to get him to No 10 in 2020, I have my doubts.

cashman · 22-09-2015, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Eric

The tories with a free hand may create those socialists. And, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Eric has a good point,in my view, I reckon enough people have been turned off voting, by a set of complete ******* (from all parties) J.C. so far seems to me,to be awakening many folk. the bullshine n buzz-word society, i think many of the public are truly brassed off with, and on that basis alone, could create a big shock to many people.

Barrie Yates · 22-09-2015, 19:36

If he wants to re-nationalise the railways we cannot be in the EU - that would be against the monopoly rules.