18th Bithday

see the reason i say they will be revealed is this - the protection law applies only to england and wales - no where else. with the advent of the internet i'm surprised it already hasnt.

just like the prince harry case to an extent and the diana pics this will be unveiled too
 
mani said:
see the reason i say they will be revealed is this - the protection law applies only to england and wales - no where else. with the advent of the internet i'm surprised it already hasnt.

just like the prince harry case to an extent and the diana pics this will be unveiled too
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The guy who revealed the info about prince harry was australian and he was bound by contractual agreement, not by ordinary legislation aimed at the public.

Pictures are also pretty different than a served murderers protected identity. It wont get revealed. If it does they'll just give them a new one and it'll be a cost to the tax payer. And it would've been revealed already.
 
well it sorta did - someone went up to jamie's mum and gave her the address of one of the lads

she goes she went to see him and "froze"
 
mani said:
well it sorta did - someone went up to jamie's mum and gave her the address of one of the lads

she goes she went to see him and "froze"
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She wouldn't have known what he really looks like now anyway, so it could've been anyone.

People who I know from that age don't remember me now... don't you know people who knew you really well who you lost touch with who dont recognise you in the street?
 
well the similarities to the face and given a specific address its good chance it was him.

they were 10 and then they were like 18 - its not that much of a difference - and who's to say she didnt stare face to face after all HE didnt know who she was...

i do tend to recognise them but i dont approach them incase they think omg thats mani ugh i hated him...
 
blazey said:
Yes let's believe in 'leaks'. Why don't we believe in leprechauns as well in the spirit of the upcoming st patricks day.

I do actually believe in leprechauns, fairies, ghosts, aliens, neverland etc.
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Well thank goodness for that, now we can make allowances for you, ghosts I can just about subscribe to, as I have had a close encouter, but the rest
 
mani said:
well the similarities to the face and given a specific address its good chance it was him.

they were 10 and then they were like 18 - its not that much of a difference - and who's to say she didnt stare face to face after all HE didnt know who she was...

i do tend to recognise them but i dont approach them incase they think omg thats mani ugh i hated him...
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Ah well I have changed so much since I was 10 and am now 19, and I get people coming up to me all the time who I cant remember, and same back.

Fair enough I have changed my hair colour and things, but I imagine that when you're under a new identity then you do what you can to take on a new identity and not really stay the exact same person.

I don't think 'forgiven' would be the right word to use to say how I feel about them, but I personally could not find the anger or sadness in me if I met either of them to lash out physically or verbally, i would just accept them for who they are. I find it hard to feel anger towards people. It takes quite a bit to make me actually scream with rage.

Hmm... I get I would like to say I try to understand every angle of something, but of course I can never fully understand what they did, and why they did it. I just know that they were children at the time an did something evil to an innocent child, and that it is very rare for such a thing to happen.
 
whilst i agree blazey,it is rare, nobody understands the mindset of people like this, the "Shrinks" pretend too, but i doubt it. what they did though is not the differance between Good @ Bad, its the differance between Good @ Evil, and i reckon everyone who is compus mentus knows that.
 
blazey said:
They will most definitely feel shame if not guilt
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You, or anyone else, has no way of knowing if thet feel shame and guilt, or not. Fact. Unless of course you've spoken of the matter with one, or both, of them.

Are you saying that all killers feel guilt for their crimes?

I fear you're not learning much on your law course, unless the syllabus hasn't yet covered the more famous cases of child killers, of the last hundred years or so.
 
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Don't make excuses for them.
Even at ten years old you should know right from wrong.
They are evil pure and simple and personally i think they should still be in prison.
Why should they be free to live their lives?
Jamie Bulger never got that chance.
 
garinda said:
You, or anyone else, has no way of knowing if thet feel shame and guilt, or not. Fact. Unless of course you've spoken of the matter with one, or both, of them.

Are you saying that all killers feel guilt for their crimes?

I fear you're not learning much on your law course, unless the syllabus hasn't yet covered the more famous cases of child killers, of the last hundred years or so.
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Very true, Garinda. We don't know that they feel shame and guilt. They might do, they might not do. Certainly not all killers feel guilt from their crimes. Apparently Rose West has yet to show any remorse for what she did.

I just think that the whole picture needs to be taken into consideration and that their backgrounds, which in no way excuse what they did, go some way to explaining how they came to do it.

I don't think that children should be tried in the same way and given the same punishments as adults. Like I said before, hopefully they are now rehabilitated and living honest lives just like Mary Bell who herself was the murderer of two ten year olds in the 1960s. She spent time in Red Bank and was released at 18. She is reported to be full of remorse for her actions, she too had a horrific home life and was abused by her mother. I read the book 'Cries Unheard' which Mary Bell contributed to and she said that she has always had counselling for what she did and still finds it hard to talk about. She is now living a quiet life with her husband and partner but she said she will never come to terms with what she did and especially since becoming a mother herself, she thinks of what she deprived those two boys' mothers of every day.
 
garinda said:
You, or anyone else, has no way of knowing if thet feel shame and guilt, or not. Fact. Unless of course you've spoken of the matter with one, or both, of them.

Are you saying that all killers feel guilt for their crimes?

I fear you're not learning much on your law course, unless the syllabus hasn't yet covered the more famous cases of child killers, of the last hundred years or so.
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Well Rindi we can only hope that when this young lady graduates, she is lucky enough to get a lucrative possition with a big law firm in London, miles away from Accy:rolleyes::DMaybe because she has a weird outlook on life as we know it, or is it that most of us on her have also been to university, the university of life
 
i think we shud save this thread in the off chance that young lady develops into something more than just a big law firm player

then we can blackmail her!! :D
 
well shes thoughtless,tactless, sarcastic,n a wind up merchant too boot,so i reckon the young lady will do very well in life.:D;)
 
cashman said:
well shes thoughtless,tactless, sarcastic,n a wind up merchant too boot,so i reckon the young lady will do very well in life.:D;)
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Well when you put it like that cashy you might have a point, never did thee and me any harm:rolleyes::D
 
I didn't say I don't feel angry at them because I think they feel guilty, I can't say I feel anything towards them because I don't know what they feel, or why they did what they did.

Some people have very strange reasons for doing things, and its beyond my ability to try and imagine myself in the position of a child killer. Law teaches you to be as objective as you possibly can, and to think following legal principle rather than common sense.

Common sense would assume killers must be evil, but if you look at the law you see many killers who AREN'T evil. Some have understandable reasons for what they did and some have ones that are difficult to understand for many.

I know a few 'christians' who would probably do anything if they thought God said to do it, they're almost manic about their beliefs even when they contradict themselves. I am catholic and I find that hard to understand, as would many, and its the sort of behaviour you wouldn't link with christians, but you would easily link with a muslim, because at least they have a REASON behind why they want to do such things (though this may be disputed).

Point is, these people that do these things AREN'T monsters, they're ordinary people, and come face to face with them I don't think I could conjure up any emotion towards someone who I don't really know.
 
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