Re: £2 chickens
well said,something those holier than thou would be well advised to think on.
£2 chickens
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Re: £2 chickens
There was a woman on one of the programmes about battery chickens that she didn't mind paying 50p more per head to eat 'ethically' after her visit to the battery farm. Even if it means giving up something else to eat one thing more ethically it'd make a difference.
I don't think there is any excuse, and as I posted in a previous thread on this issue, the government are talking about banning battery eggs, which would mean your going to be forced to eat ethically whether you like it or not.
Maybe you'll have to walk somewhere instead of using car/bus/taxi, maybe you'll have to leave the biscuits and cheese on the shelf in the supermarket, but there are very many people who live on such a basic diet that they have absolutely nothing they can change in order to order a packet of free range eggs.
Smartprice medium eggs are 73p
Asda Free range medium eggs are £1.19
For 46p difference, one chicken is living a happy and healthy life whilst another is living amongst its crap, and it you look at those cheaper chickens in their wrappings you can sometimes actually see where their skin has burnt and been damaged from walking through their own filth.
Cross referencing to the other thread about care homes, would you send your elderly relative to a care home where they'd live in dirty conditions and made to lie in their own filth because it's £50 cheaper? No, you'd find a way to make up the extra money, whether it meant you have to give up something or change something else you did.
The difference is that you don't know the chicken, and its only when its shoved in your face, as Grannyclaret has experienced, that it will make you change your ways. It shouldn't need to be put in front of you to make you see though when you already know its happening.
There was a woman on one of the programmes about battery chickens that she didn't mind paying 50p more per head to eat 'ethically' after her visit to the battery farm. Even if it means giving up something else to eat one thing more ethically it'd make a difference.
I don't think there is any excuse, and as I posted in a previous thread on this issue, the government are talking about banning battery eggs, which would mean your going to be forced to eat ethically whether you like it or not.
Maybe you'll have to walk somewhere instead of using car/bus/taxi, maybe you'll have to leave the biscuits and cheese on the shelf in the supermarket, but there are very many people who live on such a basic diet that they have absolutely nothing they can change in order to order a packet of free range eggs.
Smartprice medium eggs are 73p
Asda Free range medium eggs are £1.19
For 46p difference, one chicken is living a happy and healthy life whilst another is living amongst its crap, and it you look at those cheaper chickens in their wrappings you can sometimes actually see where their skin has burnt and been damaged from walking through their own filth.
Cross referencing to the other thread about care homes, would you send your elderly relative to a care home where they'd live in dirty conditions and made to lie in their own filth because it's £50 cheaper? No, you'd find a way to make up the extra money, whether it meant you have to give up something or change something else you did.
The difference is that you don't know the chicken, and its only when its shoved in your face, as Grannyclaret has experienced, that it will make you change your ways. It shouldn't need to be put in front of you to make you see though when you already know its happening.
Re: £2 chickens
Blazey, I think you are missing the point of Margaret's post.
There are many people who simply can not afford to spend any more money on food. They are on such a limited budget, that they have nothing to give up. I know that you are a student, and probably consider that you have a very small income. But you try feeding, clothing and paying all your household bills for a family of 4 (or more) when you have a very small income and your ethical ideas might go out the window.
I speak from experience - when my children were small, we had a low income and were not entitled to any state help. (We had 50p too much a week to be entitled to Family Income Supplement).
Also consider the postion of single pensioners, anyone with an income of more than £119.05 a week, you have to pay all your household bills, feed and clothe yourself, pay for dental care, and if you own your own home, be able to pay any repair bills for your home. Try turning down a £2.00 chicken on that sort of income.
I think you have a lot to learn about life.
Blazey, I think you are missing the point of Margaret's post.
There are many people who simply can not afford to spend any more money on food. They are on such a limited budget, that they have nothing to give up. I know that you are a student, and probably consider that you have a very small income. But you try feeding, clothing and paying all your household bills for a family of 4 (or more) when you have a very small income and your ethical ideas might go out the window.
I speak from experience - when my children were small, we had a low income and were not entitled to any state help. (We had 50p too much a week to be entitled to Family Income Supplement).
Also consider the postion of single pensioners, anyone with an income of more than £119.05 a week, you have to pay all your household bills, feed and clothe yourself, pay for dental care, and if you own your own home, be able to pay any repair bills for your home. Try turning down a £2.00 chicken on that sort of income.
I think you have a lot to learn about life.
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£119.05 a week to feed, clothe and maintain your own home? I have £40 a week to do that. OK i dont have to fork out as much as a homeowner on maintenance, but I have insurance for things like emergencies. As for dental care, well I have to grin and bear it because very few students have money for that sort of thing. I would do without chicken if I couldn't afford an 'ethical' one. I rarely eat chicken, i'm more of a chop person, but I can afford to eat ethically even if that means I don't do anything else all week.
I have known some very poor people in my short time, but none have lived on such a tight budget that they can't spare 50p. When I meet someone who lives in that situation maybe I will think twice, but until I do I will still not agree with anyone who buys cheap produce, even my own mother. Its just not right.
£119.05 a week to feed, clothe and maintain your own home? I have £40 a week to do that. OK i dont have to fork out as much as a homeowner on maintenance, but I have insurance for things like emergencies. As for dental care, well I have to grin and bear it because very few students have money for that sort of thing. I would do without chicken if I couldn't afford an 'ethical' one. I rarely eat chicken, i'm more of a chop person, but I can afford to eat ethically even if that means I don't do anything else all week.
I have known some very poor people in my short time, but none have lived on such a tight budget that they can't spare 50p. When I meet someone who lives in that situation maybe I will think twice, but until I do I will still not agree with anyone who buys cheap produce, even my own mother. Its just not right.
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Thankyou for clarifying my point Claytonender.
I too have been in that position......choosing whether to pay a bill or put food on the table.....you can guess which won.
Choosing ethically reared produce is a luxury that some families just cannot afford....and as you say, they have nothing to give up....all of their finances being spoken for.
Some pensioners will fall into this category.....having to choose whether to eat or to stay warm as they cannot afford to do both.
Thankyou for clarifying my point Claytonender.
I too have been in that position......choosing whether to pay a bill or put food on the table.....you can guess which won.
Choosing ethically reared produce is a luxury that some families just cannot afford....and as you say, they have nothing to give up....all of their finances being spoken for.
Some pensioners will fall into this category.....having to choose whether to eat or to stay warm as they cannot afford to do both.
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So perhaps Blazey you would choose to starve???
So perhaps Blazey you would choose to starve???
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Pensioners in this country are the poorest in Europe.
Pensioners in this country are the poorest in Europe.
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lol oh dear i do see you two in a new light now
anyway - i think they can be called pies/patties/cakes. Knowing my sense of humour somebody lent us a book called "who shat that" funny title but a very informative book
and it had several names for cowpats.
Thats a COW PAT mate
Perhaps your parents were having a joke on you
lol oh dear i do see you two in a new light now
anyway - i think they can be called pies/patties/cakes. Knowing my sense of humour somebody lent us a book called "who shat that" funny title but a very informative book
and it had several names for cowpats.
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It wasn't KFC, it was Caledonia.
And yes people I do still eat takeaways although it isn't necessarily free range chicken. Just not too often!
That will save me £15 next time you decide you want to go to the kfc
It wasn't KFC, it was Caledonia.
And yes people I do still eat takeaways although it isn't necessarily free range chicken. Just not too often!
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Blazey, why do you always think that your opinion is correct and everyone else is wrong?
Maybe in 20 years time when you have more experience of life you will, possibly be more qualified to comment about whether people, can or can not afford to spend more on food.
Your example of the cost of eggs , does this refer to the price of 6 eggs or 12 eggs. If it is 6 eggs 50p difference might not seem very much, but if you have a family you might go through 24 eggs a week, meaning that you woyuld have to find an extra £2.00 per week - which would mean you had to cut back on your spending for something else. Maybe you would like to suggest what they could save the £2.00 on.
And in case you want to know, I buy free range eggs from a local farm (which is why I have no idea how much eggs are in shops), costing £1.50 for 12 at the moment.
Blazey, why do you always think that your opinion is correct and everyone else is wrong?
Maybe in 20 years time when you have more experience of life you will, possibly be more qualified to comment about whether people, can or can not afford to spend more on food.
Your example of the cost of eggs , does this refer to the price of 6 eggs or 12 eggs. If it is 6 eggs 50p difference might not seem very much, but if you have a family you might go through 24 eggs a week, meaning that you woyuld have to find an extra £2.00 per week - which would mean you had to cut back on your spending for something else. Maybe you would like to suggest what they could save the £2.00 on.
And in case you want to know, I buy free range eggs from a local farm (which is why I have no idea how much eggs are in shops), costing £1.50 for 12 at the moment.
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Snob • noun 1 a person who has an exaggerated respect for high social position or wealth and who looks down on those regarded as socially inferior. 2 a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to others.
Would this be a clue?
Snob • noun 1 a person who has an exaggerated respect for high social position or wealth and who looks down on those regarded as socially inferior. 2 a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to others.
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Just because I dont agree with something doesn't make me a snob. Also i'm from a socially inferior group, so definition number 1 can't be true. I dont HAVE to agree with buying cheap, eroded chickens and their nutrition starved eggs.
Just because I dont agree with something doesn't make me a snob. Also i'm from a socially inferior group, so definition number 1 can't be true. I dont HAVE to agree with buying cheap, eroded chickens and their nutrition starved eggs.
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So you are all batting that we must pay extra for ethically produced chicken. But wouldn't you then be a hipocrite to by say Nesle products or buy Shell fuel or spend a penny on non fair trade coffee or ....
You see the whole thing about 'ethical' products are you take one step and its a slippery slope to rack and ruin. If you want to start spouting ethical make sure ALL your food investments/fuel/clothes/ in fact EVERY part of your life is ethical or your just paying lip service to the whole ting which in my book makes you worse than someone who stands up and says they can clear it in their conscience.
So stand up and be counted or shut up and put up, are you 'ethical' or not
So you are all batting that we must pay extra for ethically produced chicken. But wouldn't you then be a hipocrite to by say Nesle products or buy Shell fuel or spend a penny on non fair trade coffee or ....
You see the whole thing about 'ethical' products are you take one step and its a slippery slope to rack and ruin. If you want to start spouting ethical make sure ALL your food investments/fuel/clothes/ in fact EVERY part of your life is ethical or your just paying lip service to the whole ting which in my book makes you worse than someone who stands up and says they can clear it in their conscience.
So stand up and be counted or shut up and put up, are you 'ethical' or not
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I dont buy fuel, cereals or tea/coffee, I dont even use sugar or salt. I shop for all my food at the butchers or at the market, and if I cant buy what I need from there I will reluctantly spend more money at the Spar. The thing is, shopping costs me more at the supermarket, so I cant understand the price problem.
I obviously buy clothes and I dont research into wear it came from, but I am disgusted by companies like Topshop that have their clothes made by cheap foreign labour abroad for unfair prices. Most of my clothes have come from the charity shop.
I dont buy fuel, cereals or tea/coffee, I dont even use sugar or salt. I shop for all my food at the butchers or at the market, and if I cant buy what I need from there I will reluctantly spend more money at the Spar. The thing is, shopping costs me more at the supermarket, so I cant understand the price problem.
I obviously buy clothes and I dont research into wear it came from, but I am disgusted by companies like Topshop that have their clothes made by cheap foreign labour abroad for unfair prices. Most of my clothes have come from the charity shop.
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I specifically go to Sainsburys to buy my eggs because they sell Woodland trust eggs which come from hens that have been brought up amongst trees and natural surroundings.
The Woodland Trust
They cost quite a bit more than ordinary eggs but I believe you can taste the difference in the yolks.
I also used to work in the vegetable shop that used to be on union road, some of you may have been there. We used to sell natural eggs brought in from locals and we got goose eggs once, absolutely gorgeous.
I specifically go to Sainsburys to buy my eggs because they sell Woodland trust eggs which come from hens that have been brought up amongst trees and natural surroundings.
The Woodland Trust
They cost quite a bit more than ordinary eggs but I believe you can taste the difference in the yolks.
I also used to work in the vegetable shop that used to be on union road, some of you may have been there. We used to sell natural eggs brought in from locals and we got goose eggs once, absolutely gorgeous.
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I do not and would not buy chicken full stop. I certainly would not buy two pound chickens.
Whilst so much of this country is obese and overweight I can see no justification for exploiting animals. Mos t of us would benefit from eating less, therefore we can afford to spend more on food that has been responsibly produced and consume less.
I do not and would not buy chicken full stop. I certainly would not buy two pound chickens.
Whilst so much of this country is obese and overweight I can see no justification for exploiting animals. Mos t of us would benefit from eating less, therefore we can afford to spend more on food that has been responsibly produced and consume less.
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Thats fine now whilst you haven't got 40 hours work then to come home to run a house and kids etc. If you can honestly put your hand on your heart and tell me that you will only buy electricity from ethical comapnies, buy petrol etc from ethical companies, buy clothes from ethical suppliers FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE then fair enough. I do however reserve teh right to not believe a word of it as its not going to happen. I happen to know a lady who went massively out of her way to shop ethically for everything and even she admitted she could probably only hit 50-60% of what she would like to. Its just not possible.
Thats fine now whilst you haven't got 40 hours work then to come home to run a house and kids etc. If you can honestly put your hand on your heart and tell me that you will only buy electricity from ethical comapnies, buy petrol etc from ethical companies, buy clothes from ethical suppliers FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE then fair enough. I do however reserve teh right to not believe a word of it as its not going to happen. I happen to know a lady who went massively out of her way to shop ethically for everything and even she admitted she could probably only hit 50-60% of what she would like to. Its just not possible.