20p return
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Apparently they still use the deposit system in Holland and it works very well;I can't understand why it fell out of favour,I would guess that glass is far more expensive to produce than plastic.
When we were kids it was the only way we ever got any pocket money.......collecting pop bottles.
My brothers had a real scam going......There was a grocers on the corner of Richmond Hill St......owned by a guy called Frank Greenhalgh. He used to keep his Cheshire Milk bottle returns in crates in his backyard........my brothers used to crawl in through the bin door and bring out the returned milk bottles and then take them back to a shop that was on the corner of Major St.......they got three happence for each bottle.
We used to pool the money and then when we went to St Anne's we used to go on the pier and spend the money in the slot machines........aaaah, happy days.
My brothers had a real scam going......There was a grocers on the corner of Richmond Hill St......owned by a guy called Frank Greenhalgh. He used to keep his Cheshire Milk bottle returns in crates in his backyard........my brothers used to crawl in through the bin door and bring out the returned milk bottles and then take them back to a shop that was on the corner of Major St.......they got three happence for each bottle.
We used to pool the money and then when we went to St Anne's we used to go on the pier and spend the money in the slot machines........aaaah, happy days.
even if glass is more expensive if the pop companies were getting them back then I'm sure it would work out better all round
i am sure you are right about yobo,s thinking twice before smashing bottles.
but then again ,they have more money than sense these days..
but then again ,they have more money than sense these days..
The plastic bottles can be recycled as well. Plastic is lighter than glass so costs less to transport. How do you know what has been put into glass bottles before they are returned? The bottles that are put into bottle banks are not washed and reused, so there must be hygene issues.
As far as smashing glass bottles, why not stop using glass bottles altogether?
As far as smashing glass bottles, why not stop using glass bottles altogether?
well barr used to use money back bottles and i never heard of anyone getting poisoned from them and milk has been put in glass bottles for years and still is
also kids drinking bottles of pop on the street are hardly going to bother taking them home to put in the recycling box but may be more inclined to keep hold of a glass bottle as it will get them 20p off their next purchase when they return it
also kids drinking bottles of pop on the street are hardly going to bother taking them home to put in the recycling box but may be more inclined to keep hold of a glass bottle as it will get them 20p off their next purchase when they return it
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chav1 said:
One of the lads I work with used to work on plastic bottling machines. He said that reusing glass bottles is expensive and requires special equipment to sense for things in the bottles like petrol or weedkiller etc. He also suggested that big companies just wont take the risk of poisoning someone.
on second thoughts bottles with a return on them,used to be put in crates when crates were full they were stored in the yard example=co-op on ribblesdale avenue,then young scallys used to climb into the yard at night pinch a good few empties and return them to a differant shop the following morning.coarse i only heard rumours of this practice.hehe.
I don't think that this is such a bad idea at all.
Especially when one considers that the main drawback in recycling glass is that no one wants to use the mountains of the stuff we already collect. Arguments about hygiene, petrol and weedkiller make no sense at all when one considers the temperature to which glass must be subjected to make it molten. In any case I am sure it would not take too many resources to develop machinery which could subject crushed glass to washing before it is introduced into a furnace. Any remaining bacteria would be killed, petrol burnt off and chemicals safely incorporated into the glass. This sounds like the arguments of an industry that has no intention of going the extra mile for the sake of the environment because it is too easy to continue raping the countryside in search of raw materials. This is an area where taxation could have a beneficial effect.
Especially when one considers that the main drawback in recycling glass is that no one wants to use the mountains of the stuff we already collect. Arguments about hygiene, petrol and weedkiller make no sense at all when one considers the temperature to which glass must be subjected to make it molten. In any case I am sure it would not take too many resources to develop machinery which could subject crushed glass to washing before it is introduced into a furnace. Any remaining bacteria would be killed, petrol burnt off and chemicals safely incorporated into the glass. This sounds like the arguments of an industry that has no intention of going the extra mile for the sake of the environment because it is too easy to continue raping the countryside in search of raw materials. This is an area where taxation could have a beneficial effect.
Why can't we have returnable plastic pop bottles? Panda pops at 20p would be 40p with 20p back when you take the bottle back. That might be an incentive.
I do think all that steaming and cleaning and sterilising they have to do to re-use bottles makes it rather expensive. Maybe milk bottlers can afford to do it because they get a subsidy? Just wondred about that. I've seen returned milk bottles in crates with green slime in them - yuck!
I do think all that steaming and cleaning and sterilising they have to do to re-use bottles makes it rather expensive. Maybe milk bottlers can afford to do it because they get a subsidy? Just wondred about that. I've seen returned milk bottles in crates with green slime in them - yuck!
In scotland the 20p return on the empty Barr bottle is still alive and kicking, I used to collect 'emptys' with my mates when I was a youngster and when I go up there you still see little kids in the shops cashing them in for sweets - as expensive as it is to re-use glass bottles all those empty bottles that are returned to Barr's in glasgow must save them a good few quid each year - after all they have been doing it now for over 35 years - if there was nothing in it they would have stopped long ago.
No one is giving anyone 20p. A deposit is an additional charge for the use of the bottle, which is held by the retailer against return. Don't return the bottle, don't collect your 20p. What happens after the bottles are returned is actually immaterial. Smash em and melt em down or reuse them. Though I do accept that bottles filled with oil or whatever else can be a bit of a waste of time if you are going to reuse them. But then surely it is up to the retailer to make sure that he or she does not accept bottles that are obviously contaminated. And from an environmental viewpoint it makes much more sense to use the billions of tons of glass that is already in circulation than constantly using up virgin resources.
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Irrespective of what has previously been in any returned bottle they are sterilised before being re-used, if they are in fit condition to do so. If any glass is melted down to be recycled, the expense is for heating the furnace and running the casting machinery, natural resource in the form of raw product is not used. I have seen this in operation whilst working at Beatson & Clark's bottle plant in Rotherham.
Even if a shop retailer were to add the cost of a deposit to the price of a bottle of pop or beer, it would add an incentive to return the bottles. When I was a kid, I used to take my dad's Crystal Ale bottles back to the off-licence on Commercial St in Ossy, to collect the deposit which was mine to keep.
The deposit system was alive & kicking whilst we were on holiday in New Zealand earlier this year.
Even if a shop retailer were to add the cost of a deposit to the price of a bottle of pop or beer, it would add an incentive to return the bottles. When I was a kid, I used to take my dad's Crystal Ale bottles back to the off-licence on Commercial St in Ossy, to collect the deposit which was mine to keep.
The deposit system was alive & kicking whilst we were on holiday in New Zealand earlier this year.
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Not only should this system apply to glass bottles but also to plastic bottles and drinks cans. Just think, rather than smashing their bottles all over the road, a gang of chavs could pool their Blue WKD bottles together, take them back to the shop and have enough money to buy 10 fags...
what makes me laugh is when the bottle drinkers come into a pub and order a round of bottles for the lads and lasses,they pick them up off the bar and straight down the neck !......Whats wrong with that i hear you say? have the bottle drinkers never thought what contamination the outer of the bottles have picked up from the bottle plant to the shelf of a fridge. Its been stored at the bottle plant shipped to a warehouse and stored,shipped to a cash and carry and stored,shipped to the final outlet and stored,and the rats,mice,flys ,bugs have all enjoyed peeing/sh...ng all over the bottles 