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Margaret Pilkington

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So the 21/7 bombers were found guilty....and sentenced to 40 years in jail.
I will probably be shot down in flames for saying this...but do you think that we, the tax payer should fund their lives in prison for the next 40 years....bearing in mind, that we will also probably be picking up the social welfare costs for the families of these would-be murderers.
OK......I know their families haven't done anything wrong (allegedly) but shouldn't they have considered this before they hooked up to Al Qaeda?
Would it not be better to revoke the passports and visas of these people and ship them back to their country of origin and let them take their chances in the jails there?
 
Ship em to a middle east jail for forty years. Sadley though A/Q might spring em anyway. Send em to Peterhead Prison its the best place I can think for them. :cool:
 
Whether they would or not, they would no longer be a burden on the tax payer........and if they were to be jailed in their own countries, I am sure they would have a tougher life......one of these guys sought asylum from Somalia and another one was from Eritrea.....both of these countries have been scarred by war and famine......they come here and sponge off the British population and then they plot to blow their host country up.
I am not too bothered where they go......as long as they don't let them back in again.
 
I totally agree with you, Margaret. They want us all dead but we have to support them and their families. There's something very wrong there.

What irks me most is that they, and all prisoners these days, are deprived of their freedom but not much else. Instead of keeping them locked up with only the telly and various recreations, studies etc. at their disposal, they should be made to work - on chain gangs if necessary. Make them earn their keep, in prison, and earn enough to keep their families too. If they don't work - they don't eat.
 
Well my opinion of the sentences is that they do not get what they deserve.

It appears to me that in prison, although deprived of their freedom, and maybe made to spend long periods of time in their cells, they have no worries about how they are going to pay for their heating, lighting or food....they will have the opportunites to study........even to do a degree if that is what they want (you and me would have to pay something in the region os £3000/year if we wanted to do that) they will have their medical needsand dental needs sorted......not for them the trail around to find a dentist on the NHS....they will have the freedom to worship,and their religious needs will be catered for.
In short, they will be treated better than a lot of our old age pensioners who fought in wars to ensure that these reprobates had the freedom to try to annihilate us
 
Totally agree, though doubt the human rights brigade would, what these fools forget is the human rights of the peaceful population:confused:,hardworking and peaceful immigrants, seem to bear the brunt of what these lunatics do,in the way of mistrust and anger,so i cant imagine those people being too bothered about this?
 
the other thing that needs to be borne in mind is that while these guys are incarcerated in prison, they still have access to the hearts and minds of other young muslim men......what is to stop them radicalising these young men? So that when they are released from prison, they can carry on the work of the failed bombers. It is like cutting the head off the Hydra....cut one off and another seven grow.
 
WillowTheWhisp said:
If they were deported wouldn't they be greeted as heroes?
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Would they though as suicide bombers are ment to die with their intendid victims? The way the system works here they could be released early dispite what the judge and Mr n Mrs Public and their children want. It should be a case of no min sentance and they should be allowed to die there. Then that throws up a weed or two as someone would claim it is inhumane and they could be reabilitated. A very very tightly packed minefield this one.
 
I don't believe there is any chance of rehabilitating a suicide bomber.
I think that in their case life must mean to the end of their natural lives....though there doubtless will be some human rights lawyer who will fight for them to get paroled.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
So the 21/7 bombers were found guilty....and sentenced to 40 years in jail.
I will probably be shot down in flames for saying this...but do you think that we, the tax payer should fund their lives in prison for the next 40 years....bearing in mind, that we will also probably be picking up the social welfare costs for the families of these would-be murderers.
OK......I know their families haven't done anything wrong (allegedly) but shouldn't they have considered this before they hooked up to Al Qaeda?
Would it not be better to revoke the passports and visas of these people and ship them back to their country of origin and let them take their chances in the jails there?
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well got to say you are spot on with this
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
So the 21/7 bombers were found guilty....and sentenced to 40 years in jail.
I will probably be shot down in flames for saying this...but do you think that we, the tax payer should fund their lives in prison for the next 40 years....bearing in mind, that we will also probably be picking up the social welfare costs for the families of these would-be murderers.
OK......I know their families haven't done anything wrong (allegedly) but shouldn't they have considered this before they hooked up to Al Qaeda?
Would it not be better to revoke the passports and visas of these people and ship them back to their country of origin and let them take their chances in the jails there?
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Sorry ... don't agree. Don't become like them; if you do then, in a sense, they have won. They have put themselves beyond humanity; I think that it is a mistake to join them. One of the more frustrating things about living in a democracy, under the rule of law, is that one has, fom time to time, to swallow the urge for vengence. "I will probably be shot down in flames for saying this."
 
Eric said:
Sorry ... don't agree. Don't become like them; if you do then, in a sense, they have won. They have put themselves beyond humanity; I think that it is a mistake to join them. One of the more frustrating things about living in a democracy, under the rule of law, is that one has, fom time to time, to swallow the urge for vengence. "I will probably be shot down in flames for saying this."
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ya may think again if they kick off in canada eric?
 
Eric said:
Sorry ... don't agree. Don't become like them; if you do then, in a sense, they have won. They have put themselves beyond humanity; I think that it is a mistake to join them. One of the more frustrating things about living in a democracy, under the rule of law, is that one has, fom time to time, to swallow the urge for vengence. "I will probably be shot down in flames for saying this."
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What would you have us do? Pat them on the head and tell them not to do it again?

To quote the Bible, "If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out."
 
cashman said:
ya may think again if they kick off in canada eric?
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Yup ... I know what you mean ... but I do hope that it wouldn't change my opinion ... scary thing is I'm not sure. The closest thing we have had is the Air India bombing that took place in the 80s. But I still believe that facing this kind of attack one has to hold the moral high ground. And I did think about your point as I was typing my response.
 
Eric said:
Sorry ... don't agree. Don't become like them; if you do then, in a sense, they have won. They have put themselves beyond humanity; I think that it is a mistake to join them. One of the more frustrating things about living in a democracy, under the rule of law, is that one has, fom time to time, to swallow the urge for vengence. "I will probably be shot down in flames for saying this."
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what a lot of crap
 
Must say I don't agree with you, Eric. They wanted to indiscriminately inflict death and destruction on innocent people, white and black, native-born and immigrant, muslim and non-muslim. All that we are suggesting is locking them up for the rest of their natural lives in harsh conditions and making them earn their keep. Don't really think, therefore, that we are lowering ourselves to their level.

However, fair play to you, you've expressed your views in a reasonable fashion, unlike others with similar beliefs who have tried to impose their views in a self-righteous, holier-than-thou fashion on this forum.
 
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This is one of those issues that can be so imotive it is going to be a heated thread. Dosnt matter whether they get sent home or stay in the pokey . As Eric says "Don't become like them; if you do then, in a sense, they have won." That would be the ultimate failure on our part.
 
Eric, it isn't vengeance.....it is economic sense. I am not sure exactly how much it costs to keep a man in prison, but I know it is a lot......It really grieves me when I know that these people are enjoying better food with no worries as to how it is paid for, than some of our pensioners......and that through any winter they will not have the worries of paying for their heating bill....and to add insult to injury, not only will we be funding this lifestyle for the failed bombers but also that of their dependants.
And as i said while they are locked up they have the opportunity to poison the minds of other young muslim men....so their escapade may have failed at this attempt, but who is to say that they will not teach many other muslim men how to do a better job next time.

They came into this country because they cited atrocities in their own countries......they came as asylum seekers. One of them was convicted of petty crime and muggings and then was sent to prison....where we are told, that he was 'radicalised'.......he did drugs(allegedly) drank(allegedly) and then becomes a muslim jihadist.
No they should be sent back to the country of origin......and incarcerated there.
 
I think we have to get the message across to people that if you are going to do bad things then expect bad things to happen to you too.
There appears to be no correlation between action and consequences....and wrong doers have to accept that there will be consequences.
And nowhere have I advocated that we do not follow what the law allows......I just think that in such circumstances there should be the possibility of revoking passports and visas and deporting people to the land of their origin or even ancestors.
 
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