A Fresh Start?
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Ilyas has been in the U.S.A. all week and is not expected back before tomorrow evening.
know what yer mean, but thread wasn't posted till 8-43 n it is sat night.Shows what we are up against in stirring things up when only about 13 of us can be arsed to voice their feelings.
Any other club's forum would be buzzing if their fans had to endure the continuing shambles that we have to suffer.
Whilst acknowledging the present situation warrants drastic action, sorry, for me at least, the "fresh start" idea is a non starter.
40 odd years without a football league team had it's detrimental factors....and I don't see how condemming the town to another potential eternity without a league side would solve anything.
The current apathy towards the club from the general public of the town may result in the club lurching towards a repeat of '62, however, to me, the way the general public views the club is a self inflicted wound / ailment.
To cut to the chase, get rid of the cancer that is slowly killing this club and it may have a chance of survival. Sit back idly and let it fester.......then it is doomed.
Whalley & O'Neill have some sort of vice-like death grip around the clubs throat. Mr Khan (and Mr Marsden ) put the money up to keep the club afloat / solvent when the sticky brown stuff was about to hit the fan. If either Whalley or O'Neill had any decency, they would step aside and let Mr. Khan and the club move forward.
Neither Whalley or O'Neill have the financial clout, nor I dare say, In my opinion, the inclination to take the club forward. Yet they both seem hell bent on sticking around, neither wants to lose face, but the bottom line, for me at least, their actions / inactions would probably see the club go tits up again.
But for Mr Khan's and Mr Marsden's generosity, neither Whalley or O'Neill would now have anything to squabble over. If, as it was brokered during the recent media articles, that means all sides sitting around the table and sorting this mess out once and for all, then the club and it's fans may have a glimmer of hope and a future in the football league.
I don't doubt, that without Eric Whalley's intervention, this club would still be languishing in the non-league. I am, like many others, grateful for what he did for A.S.F.C. back in the non league days.
However, I also remember, or did I dream it???, Whalley's statement, that once he got the club back to the league, he would step aside and let somebody better equipped move the club on to the next level. I don't see what either Whalley or O'Neill stand to gain by potentially presiding over the town's football league club going bust for a second time and securing historical infamy.
As the orginal poster said, we as a club have now become a laughing stock. The butt of jokes. Despised by fans of other clubs for the way we have conducted our business for the last few years. And when the buck stops, those are accusations that are laid fair and square at the door of the people who are presently "running" this club.
To me it's a case of put up or ship out. If either Whalley or O'Neill can't ease the situation, be it either financially, or by their actions and words; then it's time for both of them to clear off and give this club a chance. Step aside and let somebody who already has the backing of the clubs fans, try and take the club forward. I could use stronger words, however the rules of this forum dictate otherwise..
40 odd years without a football league team had it's detrimental factors....and I don't see how condemming the town to another potential eternity without a league side would solve anything.
The current apathy towards the club from the general public of the town may result in the club lurching towards a repeat of '62, however, to me, the way the general public views the club is a self inflicted wound / ailment.
To cut to the chase, get rid of the cancer that is slowly killing this club and it may have a chance of survival. Sit back idly and let it fester.......then it is doomed.
Whalley & O'Neill have some sort of vice-like death grip around the clubs throat. Mr Khan (and Mr Marsden ) put the money up to keep the club afloat / solvent when the sticky brown stuff was about to hit the fan. If either Whalley or O'Neill had any decency, they would step aside and let Mr. Khan and the club move forward.
Neither Whalley or O'Neill have the financial clout, nor I dare say, In my opinion, the inclination to take the club forward. Yet they both seem hell bent on sticking around, neither wants to lose face, but the bottom line, for me at least, their actions / inactions would probably see the club go tits up again.
But for Mr Khan's and Mr Marsden's generosity, neither Whalley or O'Neill would now have anything to squabble over. If, as it was brokered during the recent media articles, that means all sides sitting around the table and sorting this mess out once and for all, then the club and it's fans may have a glimmer of hope and a future in the football league.
I don't doubt, that without Eric Whalley's intervention, this club would still be languishing in the non-league. I am, like many others, grateful for what he did for A.S.F.C. back in the non league days.
However, I also remember, or did I dream it???, Whalley's statement, that once he got the club back to the league, he would step aside and let somebody better equipped move the club on to the next level. I don't see what either Whalley or O'Neill stand to gain by potentially presiding over the town's football league club going bust for a second time and securing historical infamy.
As the orginal poster said, we as a club have now become a laughing stock. The butt of jokes. Despised by fans of other clubs for the way we have conducted our business for the last few years. And when the buck stops, those are accusations that are laid fair and square at the door of the people who are presently "running" this club.
To me it's a case of put up or ship out. If either Whalley or O'Neill can't ease the situation, be it either financially, or by their actions and words; then it's time for both of them to clear off and give this club a chance. Step aside and let somebody who already has the backing of the clubs fans, try and take the club forward. I could use stronger words, however the rules of this forum dictate otherwise..
A fresh start is not the answer to the problem, the simple solution is for Ilyas' plan for fans ownership to be put into action. If the share issue can be done then why can't we have it sorted so that we are rid of the ownership issue once and for all. Ilyas is the only man that can take the club in the right direction for the long-term future of the club.
Fans have fought for over 40 years to bring back league football to Accrington so to remove so sharply would be foolish in my eyes and ruin the legacy that JC and JB have created for the club. The thing that really concerns me is the short-term cashflow situation and I can see things getting back to the point where wages and the taxman aren't being paid. It doesn't take a genius to work out that we haven't had any money in for the past 2 months from matches so where has the money come from to pay for the ground improvements and wages for the loan signings? I just hope that Ilyas will break his silence and maybe help to lift the gloom that currently entwines the club and the fans.
Fans have fought for over 40 years to bring back league football to Accrington so to remove so sharply would be foolish in my eyes and ruin the legacy that JC and JB have created for the club. The thing that really concerns me is the short-term cashflow situation and I can see things getting back to the point where wages and the taxman aren't being paid. It doesn't take a genius to work out that we haven't had any money in for the past 2 months from matches so where has the money come from to pay for the ground improvements and wages for the loan signings? I just hope that Ilyas will break his silence and maybe help to lift the gloom that currently entwines the club and the fans.
if they turn up on the 26 th ban them from the club kick them all out. i was at stanley friday working on the tin pot bogs to get them running . with sum over pal for free the bogs need pullings down on the away end. its no good at all . i phone one lad up said game would be off on friday nite but he came down from morecombe . north west counties grounds run better than stanley . pm me if you want me to stop helping out
Err, yes, carpon, we've all been saying the same thing for almost two years, albeit usually in fewer words 
It's been 'time' for Whalley & O'Neill to 'step aside', as you put it, for many a long month.
The sentiments and notions expressed in the opening post are there because there has been no movement; no change. The only way to turf them out, it seems, is to force them out by the major creditor calling in his debts. Whether this means closure or not remains unclear.
So, now we fans are all united, we must act. And we will.
It's been 'time' for Whalley & O'Neill to 'step aside', as you put it, for many a long month.
The sentiments and notions expressed in the opening post are there because there has been no movement; no change. The only way to turf them out, it seems, is to force them out by the major creditor calling in his debts. Whether this means closure or not remains unclear.
So, now we fans are all united, we must act. And we will.
Apathy is worse than anger.... only time will tell if we are wrong but fans must unite.
I/we used to be proud of our club. This is being eaten away by lies & incompetence. We are a professional club in name only.
I was proud of the rise from Unibond to the League, but our legacy since then is nothing short of disgusting
I/we used to be proud of our club. This is being eaten away by lies & incompetence. We are a professional club in name only.
I was proud of the rise from Unibond to the League, but our legacy since then is nothing short of disgusting
Seems funny in a way everyones stressing because a game got called off and that's what's triggered a lot of this on here let's be honest. I've felt like that since the Save Our Club fiasco when Oneil and Whalley didn't do anything to help our club and I vowed not to return although Ive come close on occasions.
Problem you have is that they trot out Jimmy and Coley (who have done a brilliant job) and ask you to get behind the team and hide behind them ruining the club. If your going to achieve anything you need someone to stand up and be counted to take over otherwise who is ?
I don't see you have much choice really you either go and support the team through thick and thin or you refuse to go which financially cripples the club and would probably lead to it's downfall. I'm sorry to say I did the latter but that's just me cutting off my nose as usual.
I wish you all good luck but its their train set as they say and they have shown before they would rather it went bust than hand it over. They don't deserve the support of the excellent people on here or in Accrington who spend their hard earned money to watch the club and see it being slowly ruined.
Problem you have is that they trot out Jimmy and Coley (who have done a brilliant job) and ask you to get behind the team and hide behind them ruining the club. If your going to achieve anything you need someone to stand up and be counted to take over otherwise who is ?
I don't see you have much choice really you either go and support the team through thick and thin or you refuse to go which financially cripples the club and would probably lead to it's downfall. I'm sorry to say I did the latter but that's just me cutting off my nose as usual.
I wish you all good luck but its their train set as they say and they have shown before they would rather it went bust than hand it over. They don't deserve the support of the excellent people on here or in Accrington who spend their hard earned money to watch the club and see it being slowly ruined.
Seems to me that this cancelled match may have its bright side if it turns out to be the turning point that galvanises us into action, especially as Macca seems to be having his "Jack Barrett moment"!
You may right, Shurm, and nothing will shift this contemptible pair, but we can't just stand by and watch them run our club into the ground. I'm still hopeful that Ilyas has something up his sleeve, but even if the worst happens, we'll at least know that we tried. The important thing now is to make sure as many of the Stanley faithful turn up for the march as possible. I realise that some can't, due to age, infirmity etc, but if we got 500 or more, it would certainly give 'em something to think about.
Also, Shurm, I would urge you and other stayaways to at least turn up for the march. If you don't want to go on the match afterwards, fair enough, but this is your chance to show your feelings!
You may right, Shurm, and nothing will shift this contemptible pair, but we can't just stand by and watch them run our club into the ground. I'm still hopeful that Ilyas has something up his sleeve, but even if the worst happens, we'll at least know that we tried. The important thing now is to make sure as many of the Stanley faithful turn up for the march as possible. I realise that some can't, due to age, infirmity etc, but if we got 500 or more, it would certainly give 'em something to think about.
Also, Shurm, I would urge you and other stayaways to at least turn up for the march. If you don't want to go on the match afterwards, fair enough, but this is your chance to show your feelings!
not just shurm, other members on here, i respect yer viewpoint n choice to stay away, but this March must be a must fer all that are fit n able, like wyn if yehs dont wanna go on after fair enough, but the more march the better chance of a result. IMHO. i know of others that dont come on here, shall do me best to speak to em before the Torquay game. "remember Egypt"
Egypt also had a lot of damage done in the streets etc,OK the demonstrators went back to clean up, but damage we don't want, just a march.with as much media coverage as possible, if this is to work .
While I'm here I am puzzled that IF David O Neil really has paid Eric Whalley so much money, why has David not sued Eric or asked for the money back ? it just dosn't make sense.
While I'm here I am puzzled that IF David O Neil really has paid Eric Whalley so much money, why has David not sued Eric or asked for the money back ? it just dosn't make sense.
Probably becuase it was 'some sort of arrangement' and not one that would stand up in court
really greeny i was referring to the principle of the action not wrecking the town.
that may be the case, but i feel the march is something that must be done, using all publicity that can be procured, as its the only way the ordinary fan can send a message that just may be heard, cos owt else aint done any good.
that may be the case, but i feel the march is something that must be done, using all publicity that can be procured, as its the only way the ordinary fan can send a message that just may be heard, cos owt else aint done any good.
Quite right. I'm so riled up, I feel like starting to march now!
Greeny, we promise we won't drop any litter, honest!