Abu Hamza extradition
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Whats "Possible Ultimate Prosecution" egg@chips?If that means the yanks may Top Em, then good thats a even better result in my book.
Don't really have much of a problem with capital punishment, although there have definitely been some cock ups in that dept over the years. What I object to is detention without trial for anybody.
It's been part of the justice system for a looooooooooong time and should remain in place where people are entitled to a trial.
I believe you will find that the US justice system is more than even handed, and, that in the US the accused has more access to a fair trial than he/she would have in most other countries. Much better than in, say, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.
I believe you will find that the US justice system is more than even handed, and, that in the US the accused has more access to a fair trial than he/she would have in most other countries. Much better than in, say, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.
No argument there, but we don't send Internet criminals etc to any of those countries, I think. Also Guantanamo, camp x ray was set up outside of US jurisdiction so that the facilities there do not have to comply with their fair trial system or constitution.
No argument there, but we don't send Internet criminals etc to any of those countries, I think. Also Guantanamo, camp x ray was set up outside of US jurisdiction so that the facilities there do not have to comply with their fair trial system or constitution.
Guantanamo is reserved for non-American enemy combatants captued in the War on Terror. It is not "outside of US jurisdiction". All they face at Guantanamo is a fair trial. They get a far better deal than would any US, UK, or Canadian soldier captured by the Taliban.
End of the day fella, the creature & his sort have been spouting bile & hatred about the British (and western society) for a long time now & been getting away with it because Britain & Western society are so tolerant, but who's been funding his life style & right to deride & denegrate ?
Yep, the society he so despises, what goes around comes around & the sooner he's away from these shores the better. Hopefully now the first stones have started to trickle down the mountainside & the lets hope the rest of the avalanche isn't to far behind.
Yep, the society he so despises, what goes around comes around & the sooner he's away from these shores the better. Hopefully now the first stones have started to trickle down the mountainside & the lets hope the rest of the avalanche isn't to far behind.
Again I agree that suspected proponents of terrorism sent to Guantanamo get infinitely better treatment than would captured alliance military or civilian personnel, however here's a quote from that never be doubted
font of knowledge, Wikipedia.After the US Department of Justice advised that the Guantanamo Bay detention camp could be considered outside U.S. legal jurisdiction, the first twenty captives arrived at Guantanamo on January 11, 2002. After the Bush administration asserted that detainees were not entitled to any of the protections of the Geneva Conventions, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld on June 29, 2006, that they were entitled to the minimal protections listed under Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.[4] Following this, on July 7, 2006, the Department of Defense issued an internal memo stating that prisoners would in the future be entitled to protection under Common Article 3.[5][6][7] Susan J. Crawford, who was appointed by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to review practices used at Guantanamo Bay, told Bob Woodward of the Washington Post in an interview in January 2009 that Mohammed al-Qahtani was tortured while being held prisoner at Guantanamo Bay, making her the first Bush administration official to concede that torture occurred there.
You don't have to wade thru all of this ... but try to tell me the guy wasn't treated fairly:
Omar Khadr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Omar Khadr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I have no time at all and no sympathy for Hamza and his ilk. Lock him in an oubliette and let him rot. BUT do not send the dudes who have infringed US law from the UK to America. It's a route that several Brits are already travelling and more will if we roll over and let it happen.
I wouldn't. He was treated fairly. That's not my point. I'm no bleeding heart liberal, I'm just worried about the increasingly nebulous nature of international jurisdiction and the willingness of some governments to nestle in the pockets of more powerful neighbours in the global village.
I wouldn't. He was treated fairly. That's not my point. I'm no bleeding heart liberal, I'm just worried about the increasingly nebulous nature of international jurisdiction and the willingness of some governments to nestle in the pockets of more powerful neighbours in the global village.
I don't see it as much of an issue ... let's face it, countries like yours, and like mine, don't have too many true friends in the world, particularly the middle-eastern world. It's no wonder we work closely with our friends and allies. If the guys in the white hats can't work together, the guys in the black turbans have won out.
I'm just worried about the increasingly nebulous nature of international jurisdiction and the willingness of some governments to nestle in the pockets of more powerful neighbours in the global village.
Yeah, I'm worrying about "international jurisdiction" too. I'm worried about how both major parties in this country meekly accept the "jurisdiction" of an overseas court who, as far as I'm concerned, should have no say in the way we conduct our affairs. I'm worried about how each successive government "nestles in the pockets" of the ECHR and the EU and surrenders more and more of our independence as each year goes by. People are hailing the decision on these scumbags as a great victory, but is it? We're allowed to send them packing because some court in Strausbourg has given us permission? Personally, I think we should have told the ECHR to stuff it (in diplomatic terms) and shipped 'em out years ago!
I can't believe that I'm posting a link to the Daily Fail, but this indicates a certain imbalance in a special relationship.
Seven Britons extradited to US for every one sent here under lopsided act | Mail Online
Sorry if link not clickable, IPad doesn't seem to do that, or at least I can't get it to do that.
I agree. We seem to be living in a spine free zone as far as our lords and masters are concerned. Apart from when they are dishing it out to the folks who pay their bleedin' wages.
Nicely said Eric, I started this thread, well to say goodbye to this nasty, odious little man. I never expected it to turn into another lets kick our allies.
At the end of the day, do you really want to fall out with the USA, if things ever kick off, I for sure want them on my side, despite the fact they are rather trigger happy.
Don't think this thread will run too long as I believe that there will be little disagreement over the ruling.
What if I were to post something derogatory or contrary to the best interests of the US government using an AOL server?
Up until recently you wouldn't have had to go to the effort of using AOL, you could have used AccyWeb, the servers had been in America until last year, happily gurgling away not a care in the world.
One of the reasons the owner moved them to the UK was to prevent someone like you mouthing off and causing him to have to pay an unwelcome visit to the states under their Federal Laws.
The only problem I have now is that we will be keeping his family for the rest of their natural, it was reported by the Taxpayers Alliance in 2009 that hooky and his tribe had already cost the Tax Payer £2.75 million on welfare council house and legal costs, a figure which no doubt has escalated by now, and all this from a guy who abhors every aspect of life in the west, yet has no problem taking cash of those very same people he detests so much
Not read the whole thread but totally agree. He makes me sick.
The only problem I have now is that we will be keeping his family for the rest of their natural, it was reported by the Taxpayers Alliance in 2009 that hooky and his tribe had already cost the Tax Payer £2.75 million on welfare council house and legal costs, a figure which no doubt has escalated by now, and all this from a guy who abhors every aspect of life in the west, yet has no problem taking cash of those very same people he detests so much
Also this. . I could be accused of being intolerant or judgemental but I can live with that, get rid of the lot-it's totally nuts that we're keeping them when apparently every part of our culture is wrong according to them.
I would agree with that in general, Eric, but I'm not so sure that suspected Islamic terrorists do get such an even-handed deal. The US government do tend to get a little "uneven" when it comes to this subject. After all, why is Guantanamo Bay detention centre in Cuba? Because they cannot legally do what they do there on the US mainland due to human rights laws.I believe you will find that the US justice system is more than even handed, and, that in the US the accused has more access to a fair trial than he/she would have in most other countries. Much better than in, say, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.
Having said that I have no time for religious fanatics of any kind and we do need to do something about people who kill in the name of that which has never been proved to exist. It is childish stupidity of the highest order.