seen one round here yep the scottish christian party Contact Scottish Christian Party theyve even got all their billboards in the town centre..
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God botherers knock on doors 52 weeks to year, don't forget to cancel them when you go on holiday
God botherers knock on doors 52 weeks to year, don't forget to cancel them when you go on holiday
Jehovah's Witnesses don't take any part in elections , Jaysay .
The AV system is the system that is used in the London Mayor Elections and what got Tory Boris Johnson in as Mayor in 2008.
Baically it doesn't matter who gets in if you look at the way it works they all fall down at the end and people end up hating them, whoever it is.
I think I'll probably vote for AV then you can make strategic votes.
Baically it doesn't matter who gets in if you look at the way it works they all fall down at the end and people end up hating them, whoever it is.
I think I'll probably vote for AV then you can make strategic votes.
The more I look into this AV system the less I like it.
Take the 3 main parties.. if your preference is the tory candidate then your second is likley to be the lib-dem rather than labour.. I think the same goes for most labour voters..second choice lib-dem (or the monster looney bisciut party)... so little wonder the lib-dems are all for this system.. it could win them seats just by coming second!
Take the 3 main parties.. if your preference is the tory candidate then your second is likley to be the lib-dem rather than labour.. I think the same goes for most labour voters..second choice lib-dem (or the monster looney bisciut party)... so little wonder the lib-dems are all for this system.. it could win them seats just by coming second!
True..and I can see why the tories and labour don't like the idea of AV.. it would probably mean less seats for both of those parties.. but I won't be voting for something that, to be honest I don't fully understand.Even though most Labour politicans are against the introduction of AV, it's the method they use, when voting for their party leader.
If AV is so good why are there only 3 (?) countries that use it - only Australia. Fiji and I think one other, use it and Fiji are dropping it very soon and i think Australia are considering dropping it.
Surely, if it is better than first past the post then more countries would use it.
Of course the Lib-Dems want it as it is their only chance of getting more seats. The majority of votes that they get are only protest votes against the Tory and Labour parties/personalities.
They must pray at every election for a hung parliament so that they can become King Makers.
Surely, if it is better than first past the post then more countries would use it.
Of course the Lib-Dems want it as it is their only chance of getting more seats. The majority of votes that they get are only protest votes against the Tory and Labour parties/personalities.
They must pray at every election for a hung parliament so that they can become King Makers.
You summed the useless tossers up very well yon Barrie.
Eloquently put sir
thats what i said.
Ya but not as eloquently cashythats what i said.
True..and I can see why the tories and labour don't like the idea of AV.. it would probably mean less seats for both of those parties.. but I won't be voting for something that, to be honest I don't fully understand.
Those who say that the 1st past the post system will avoid confusion and watered down government, seem to have forgot we have a coalition now because the 1st past the post system hasn't worked at the 2010 election - thus we have this coalition.
With AV; MP's will have to work harder to keep their seat - I am personally sick of MP's who have seats for life off less than 50% of the consituency vote.
What is AV? | Yes to fairer votes - Yes to AV - Alternative Vote
If they spent the same amount of time on TV, explaining how the AV works rather than promoting that Royal Wedding - this would be a far better country!
AV will mean that politicians and politics is fairer.
I'm afraid I must disagree there.
The more candidates there are in an election the more diverse the vote is going to be. There were 9 candidates last year and the public are expected to rate them in order? I didn't hear from half of them myself so essentially 4 or 5 of the points from my ballot sheet would have been falsely awarded from the start because I knew nothing about them. The losers' points would then have been arbitrarily awarded to people who I wouldn't have voted for simply in order for someone to break through the 50% mark.
Nothing about that system speaks of democracy to me, it is just a way of bumping up the votes for lesser parties and actually making the system less fair by forcing people to allocate points to people they wouldn't want in power in the first place.
It's a definite 'no' from me.
Well, that is unless the Scots and the Welsh vote for it.
It seems that this might just happen....the turnout at the Scottish elections is predicted to be high and they are also more in favour of AV....or so it was reported.
It seems that this might just happen....the turnout at the Scottish elections is predicted to be high and they are also more in favour of AV....or so it was reported.
It is quite possible that the AV referendum will be won on a very small turnout of voters possibly on 25% of voters will vote. If 51% of those voted in favour of AV it would mean that the Yes to AV would win with only 13% of the total electorate of the UK. As Margaret said in post 78 there are all out elections for the Scottish Parliament and also the Welsh Assembly so there are likely to be more people voting in those 2 countries and they already have a system of alternative voting.
I am not in favour of AV however voters would not necessarily rank the candidates in order of preference and I suspect that many people would still only vote for one candidate. Personally I would only ever vote for a Labour candidate and nothing would persuade me to rank a candidate from any other party.
I am not in favour of AV however voters would not necessarily rank the candidates in order of preference and I suspect that many people would still only vote for one candidate. Personally I would only ever vote for a Labour candidate and nothing would persuade me to rank a candidate from any other party.
Clatonender, if everyone else did that too, then although we would, in theory have Av...it would still be a first past the post system....or have I got it completely wrong(remember I am a bear of very little brain)?